[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] COMMERCE, JUSTICE, SCIENCE, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2021 _______________________________________________________________________ HEARINGS BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION _______________ SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, JUSTICE, SCIENCE, AND RELATED AGENCIES JOSE E. SERRANO, New York, Chairman MATT CARTWRIGHT, Pennsylvania ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama GRACE MENG, New York MARTHA ROBY, Alabama BRENDA L. LAWRENCE, Michigan STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi CHARLIE CRIST, Florida TOM GRAVES, Georgia ED CASE, Hawaii MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio NOTE: Under committee rules, Mrs. Lowey, as chairwoman of the full committee, and Ms. Granger, as ranking minority member of the full committee, are authorized to sit as members of all subcommittees. Bob Bonner, Jeff Ashford, BG Wright, TJ Lowdermilk, Shannon McCully, Faye Cobb, and Trisha Castaneda Subcommittee Staff _______ PART 5 Page Members' Day.......................... 1 Public Testimony for the Record....... 57 Department of Commerce Fiscal Year 2021 Budget Request..................... 271 [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] ______ Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 44-514 WASHINGTON: 2021 COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS NITA M. LOWEY, New York, Chairwoman MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio KAY GRANGER, Texas PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky JOSE E. SERRANO, New York ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama ROSA L. DeLAURO, Connecticut MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina JOHN R. CARTER, Texas LUCILLE ROYBAL-ALLARD, California KEN CALVERT, California SANFORD D. BISHOP, Jr., Georgia TOM COLE, Oklahoma BARBARA LEE, California MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida BETTY McCOLLUM, Minnesota TOM GRAVES, Georgia TIM RYAN, Ohio STEVE WOMACK, Arkansas C. A. DUTCH RUPPERSBERGER, Maryland JEFF FORTENBERRY, Nebraska DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, Florida CHUCK FLEISCHMANN, Tennessee HENRY CUELLAR, Texas JAIME HERRERA BEUTLER, Washington CHELLIE PINGREE, Maine DAVID P. JOYCE, Ohio MIKE QUIGLEY, Illinois ANDY HARRIS, Maryland DEREK KILMER, Washington MARTHA ROBY, Alabama MATT CARTWRIGHT, Pennsylvania MARK E. AMODEI, Nevada GRACE MENG, New York CHRIS STEWART, Utah MARK POCAN, Wisconsin STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi KATHERINE M. CLARK, Massachusetts DAN NEWHOUSE, Washington PETE AGUILAR, California JOHN R. MOOLENAAR, Michigan LOIS FRANKEL, Florida JOHN H. RUTHERFORD, Florida CHERI BUSTOS, Illinois WILL HURD, Texas BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN, New Jersey BRENDA L. LAWRENCE, Michigan NORMA J. TORRES, California CHARLIE CRIST, Florida ANN KIRKPATRICK, Arizona ED CASE, Hawaii Shalanda Young, Clerk and Staff Director C O N T E N T S ---------- MEMBERS' DAY Page Davis, Hon. Danny K., a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois.................................................... 9 Gonzalez, Hon. Anthony, a Representative in Congress from the State of Ohio.................................................. 34 Gonzalez-Colon, Hon. Jenniffer, a Representative in Congress from the Territory of Puerto Rico................................... 24 Hill, Hon. J. French, a Representative in Congress from the State of Arkansas.................................................... 12 Kennedy, Hon. Joseph P. III, a Representative in Congress from the State of Massachusetts..................................... 30 Perlmutter, Hon. Ed, a Representative in Congress from the State of Colorado.................................................... 18 Schneider, Hon. Bradley Scott, a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois.......................................... 40 Visclosky, Hon. Peter J., a Representative in Congress from the State of Indiana............................................... 2 Yoho, Hon. Ted, a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida........................................................ 6 Submitted Testimony Jackson Lee, Hon. Sheila, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas................................................. 44 Posey, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida........................................................ 50 Rogers, Hon. Hal, a Representative in Congress from the State of Kentucky....................................................... 54 Public witness testimony submitted for the record................ 57 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET REQUEST Ross, Hon. Wilbur, Secretary, U.S. Department of Commerce........ 273 COMMERCE, JUSTICE, SCIENCE, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2021 ---------- Wednesday, March 4, 2020 MEMBERS' DAY Mr. Serrano. Good afternoon, everyone. We welcome you to our first hearing for fiscal year 2021. It is fitting that today's hearing will be with our colleagues here in the House to hear about the programs and agencies that they feel strongly about. Given the expected budget constraints that all subcommittees will face this fiscal year, it is important that we hear from our colleagues about the programs making a difference to their communities. This year, we will hear from a bipartisan group of Members, all of whom will be asking for further investments by this subcommittee. I think it is instructive that on a day like this we are never asked to cut funding for programs or agencies, only to increase them. It shows the important role that the Federal Government plays in driving technological innovation, economic development, scientific research, a fair justice system, and public safety. I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today. And, with that, let me turn to my colleague and friend Mr. Aderholt. Mr. Aderholt. Thank you for yielding, Mr. Chairman, and I am pleased to be here today as we commence the fiscal year 2021 approps process. This subcommittee is very uniquely situated to really take care of a lot of funding for a lot of important priorities. Space exploration, including the transformative Moon to Mars Initiative, is included under our jurisdiction; combating crime, including child exploitation, human trafficking, and incidents of mass violence; fostering fair trade; promoting innovation; improving weather forecasting; and investing in basic research. So I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding the hearing today and allowing each Member of the House to come before the subcommittee to convey not only their recommendations, but to educate us on matters that we need to be brought up to speed on and how we can be helpful. And it is important that Members have an opportunity to express their priorities and their concerns, as we will hear today. And as members of the Appropriations Committee, I know it is a desire for each of us who serve on this committee and of course this subcommittee to strive to work to make sure that the programs that we fund are doing what they can to impact constituencies across the United States. So, again, thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your leadership in this and to accommodate these priorities, and I know we will work the best we can as we move forward in the process. I thank my colleagues for taking time to be here today and we look forward to your testimony. And, with that, I yield back. Mr. Serrano. Thank you, Mr. Aderholt. And I do also join you in thanking our colleagues for being here today. Our first witness will be another member of the departing class of appropriators, which keeps growing by the day, Mr. Visclosky, Chairman Visclosky. STATEMENT OF HON. PETER J. VISCLOSKY, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF INDIANA Mr. Visclosky. Chairman, I appreciate the opportunity, Mr. Aderholt and Mr. Cartwright, for appearing before you today. Really, just three quick points. One, I am here to testify on behalf of appropriate funding for the ITC and I want to thank the committee for your very strong support and good work and help in the 2021 bill. You provided $99.4 million for the ITC, that was $4.4 million of critically needed funds more than fiscal year 2020. I would point out, this year my request is for $105 million for the ITC. I think it is eminently justifiable, despite the fact that the Office of Management and Budget has only requested 99.6. My statement is in the record, we have a number of items and justification for the request. I would simply point out that, for example, between fiscal year 2011 and 2015, there were an average of eight to ten filings annually for antidumping and countervailing duty cases, those have now increased to 16 or 18. The Harmonized Tariff Schedule has been revised 14 to 13 times in fiscal years 2018 and 2019, in a typical year that might be three or four. So, again, I appreciate you holding the hearing and allowing me to testify, and look forward to working with you and your staff. [The prepared statement of Mr. Visclosky follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. Well, thank you. Your statement is well noted and will be included, of course, in our records, and we thank you for your ask. The answer is no. [Laughter.] Mr. Visclosky. You know I am not coming back. [Laughter.] Mr. Serrano. Neither am I. [Laughter.] Mr. Serrano. Mr. Aderholt? Mr. Aderholt. Thank you for your testimony here, and I understand the ITC and its important role. So certainly please know that we will do what we can to work on this issue to try to move forward, and so thank you for your commitment to it. Thank you. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Serrano. Mr. Yoho, Representative Yoho is our next speaker, witness. STATEMENT OF HON. TED S. YOHO, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA Mr. Yoho. Thank you. Chairman Serrano, Ranking Member Aderholt, and committee members, thank you for allowing me to testify on my funding priority for fiscal year 2021 CJS appropriations. America has led in space exploration and our Nation, as the first to put humans on the Moon, we have set the standards for innovation. Now a new era is upon us. It is time to prepare for this next phase of space exploration and that is literally to go where no man or woman has ever gone before, which is why I am interested in NASA science funding to explore the effects of zero gravity and deep space radiation on mammalian eukaryotic or embryological development. I am a supporter of the Moon to Mars initiative and I am a firm believer that one day we will live in space or on different planets. However, before our species can live on or travel to Mars or distant planets, important questions on procreation outside of Earth's gravitational effects must be answered. We must know if human pregnancy and embryological development can be achieved in these environments. Basic questions like can a pregnancy, number one, occur and develop all the way through parturition in environmental space? Can fertilization occur? Does migration of an embryo go down the Fallopian tubes? Will uterine/embryo implantation take place? If not, why? How do the different biological systems develop, the physiological systems? Are long bones long, for instance? Are kidneys kidney-shaped, hearts heart-shaped? These are all things that we have never looked at. What is the nervous system and how does that develop, or the hematopoietic system? Are genes turned on or turned off, expressed differently in zero gravity or the effect of radiation to adapt to the corresponding zero gravity environment? Does the physiology of the organ systems function and behave the same as they are developing in zero gravity as they do on Earth? In order to prepare for future interplanetary travels, these questions must be answered. Going to Mars today is a one- way trip and that is something that we should really look at and, you know, America has been such an innovator and leader in this. In order to prepare for future interplanetary travels, these questions regarding embryological development need to be answered. Studying this now on the ISS, while we have the benefit of time, will ensure we are prepared for the future of space travel. It is important to note that this type of research can and will lead to discoveries that benefit people on Earth as well. As scientists dive into zero gravity development, they may discover that genes express themselves differently. This variation of expression could be applicable to curing diseases hear on Earth now and we won't know this until this research is done. NASA has the ability to do this research on the ISS, but they need the funding to do so. We have proposed a rodent model because of their short gestational period, approximately 21 days, and NASA's familiarity with the rodent model on the ISS. It is imperative that we as a nation invest in this type of cutting-edge research. Nobody else is doing this, which is why I am asking you to include the funding for nonhuman mammalian embryological experiments under the NASA science account in fiscal year 2021 in the CJS appropriations bill. Again, this kind of cutting-edge research will, pardon the pun, jettison the United States leadership light years ahead of any other country and the research that will come out of this will-- I truly believe when the researchers and the people in the science community says this is stuff that we need to know, you know, the things that we haven't discovered is what is going to lead medicine and research down the road, and I ask you to consider the appropriations for that. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Yoho follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. Thank you. I thank you for your testimony. Let me tell you that this committee, both under Republican and Democratic leadership, has always been very friendly to NASA. In fact, my staff will probably get upset that I bring it up, but the only issue we have pending is do we go to the Moon in 2028, as previously scheduled, or do we go in 2024, and there is a difference of opinion on that. But all that you speak about does two things, it makes us think and make us go to the dictionary and see what all those words you said mean, because they are very tough. Mr. Yoho. I'm sorry about that, it was just background. Mr. Serrano. No, it is quite all right. Thank you so much. Mr. Yoho. Thank you, I appreciate it. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. By the way, a clarification for my colleagues, CJS stands for Commerce, Justice, Science, not Congressman Jose Serrano. [Laughter.] Mr. Serrano. I don't have a committee named after me. Our next witness is Mr. Davis. STATEMENT OF HON. DANNY K. DAVIS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS Mr. Davis. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman Serrano, Ranking Member Aderholt, Mr. Cartwright, and other members of the CJS Appropriations Committee for hosting this opportunity for Members to advocate for critical programs. Today, I will talk briefly about the Second Chance Act or SCA, which I authored in the 110th Congress, after countless meetings with task force groups, community stakeholders, representatives from faith groups, clergy, and law enforcement. After several years of drafting, changes, advocacy, coalition building, and sweat equity, the SCA was signed into law on April 9, 2008. The SCA authorizes Federal grants for vitally important programs and systems aimed at improving the reentry process. The United States remains the most incarcerated nation on the face of the earth. Its prison population contains roughly 2.2 million individuals housed in state prisons, Federal prisons, jails, and other correctional facilities. However, since passage of the SCA, more than 900 grants in 49 states, DC, and U.S. territories have been awarded. These grants have served more than 164,000 participants since 2009, with roughly 80 percent of all adults served receiving mental illness, substance use disorder treatment and referrals, and 60 percent receiving cognitive-based services. The SCA has been a lifeline for former offenders. Grant dollars and other investments have allowed local and state governments opportunities to provide job training and wraparound services, thereby significantly reducing recidivism and developing new taxpaying citizens. Organizations like the Safer Foundation in Chicago have provided job training, job placement, and pathways to career opportunities for hundreds of men and women returning to severely low-income communities. As I travel across the country, I hear from small business owners, elected officials, and even some Fortune 500 executives boasting about their reentry programs and how the programs have been uplifting to their employee morale. Finally, the SCA is a true bipartisan success story and recently, because of successful programs like the SCA, Congress passed the First Step Act and are continuing to look at ways to reduce mass incarceration and sentencing reforms. Local governments, hospital systems, and private employers are now making investments in reentry. Success stories are being made every single day. So, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member, I am hopeful we can maintain the fiscal year 2021 funding level of $90 million for the Second Chance Act, and I would be pleased to respond to any inquiries. Thank you very much and it is a pleasure. [The prepared statement of Mr. Davis follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. No, we thank you for your testimony. We are very much interested in this program. As you know, we funded it at $90 million last year, so it is a priority to continue to do well by it, and we thank you for your advocacy for it. Mr. Aderholt? Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, Congressman Davis. And certainly I think these are important programs and, you know, we will certainly as we move forward. Your testimony has been very helpful, thank you for your testimony on it. And we will certainly work together to see what we can do to try to make the funding successful, so we look forward to working with you. Mr. Serrano. Thank you, Mr. Aderholt. And thank you, sir. Mr. Davis. Thank you both very much and it is a pleasure. Mr. Serrano. Our next witness is Mr. Hill, Representative Hill. You were moving there already, how did you know that? Mr. Hill. You have an excellent staff, Mr. Chairman. STATEMENT OF HON. J. FRENCH HILL, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ARKANSAS Mr. Hill. Well, thank you for the opportunity, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member, for the opportunity for Members to participate today. I want to start my remarks today to echo my friend from Illinois, Mr. Davis, and talk about recidivism issues and some of the topics that he addressed. Mr. Davis is from Arkansas, so we are kindred spirits. He grew up in Parkdale, Arkansas, deep in the Mississippi Delta, and he is right on point in talking about strategies to reduce recidivism. The FBI and the Bureau of Prisons states that we spend an average of $36,000 a year per inmate on a prison population that dwarfs the rest of the world. Each year more than 600,000 people leave our prisons, but three quarters of those recidivate within five years. This is a huge frustration to our state and local governments, and of course to the Federal Government. The costs to society of not acting on this issue are not limited to what taxpayers get. Higher recidivism rates lead to higher prison budgets, more beds to build, more dangerous streets, and fewer badly needed workers for our very worker- needy labor force. The cost of un-rehabilitated offenders to communities, neighborhoods, families. More unemployed and unemployable fathers, families continue to struggle in the grip of addiction, children stuck in a despairing cycle of generational poverty, and consequences of a return to crime. All those costs are too high. How do we hold offenders accountable for their actions without denying them a return as contributing members of society? In Arkansas, Arkansas Baptist College and Shorter College have partnered with the Arkansas Department of Community Corrections to provide an entrepreneurship program for prison inmates during the last six months of their sentence. The program serves as a transition phase for inmates to gain academic and spiritual development, and encourages them to continue in their education at their schools after their release. Last year, I introduced legislation that would establish a pilot program at the U.S. Department of Justice to provide grants to Historically Black Colleges and Universities, HBCUs, to implement educational programs for eligible offenders and help them successfully transition back into their communities. This language is based on the outstanding work of the four HBCUs in and around my district. The average cost of attending an Historically Black College and University is around $16,000 per year. We spend upwards of $80 billion every year warehousing inmates. We could be saving valuable taxpayer funds. I believe we must look at this not only as a matter of the financial cost, but one of the human cost that I have noted. That is why I urge your committee to include the following language in its bill report to support the efforts of HBCUs to address this critical need. The language proposed would be, ``The Committee supports the U.S. Department of Justice coordination and collaboration with Historically Black Colleges and Universities to provide educational programs for recently released and soon to be released criminal offenders to assist them in obtaining skills that will let them successfully transition back into their communities and reduce recidivism rates.'' I want to thank you for your consideration of this language. The second topic I want to touch on today relates to behavioral health. I would like to discuss mental health and support for the Mentally Ill Offender Act. Today in America, a behavioral health epidemic has manifested itself through increased drug usage, rising suicide rates, and a nationwide life expectancy that fell for two years in a row before a slight increase was reported in 2018. Too many times Americans suffering from mental illness turn to self-medication, using alcohol, prescription painkillers, and illegal substances. On average, opioid use kills 130 Americans per day. A slight increase in life expectancy indicates that we may be on the right track, but there is more that needs to be done to address this epidemic through comprehensive strategies and work to ensure that our state and local governments are equipped to care for non-violent offenders with mental health and other substance abuse disorders. I hope that you will give full and fair consideration to funding the Mentally Ill Offender Act, which provides grants for these overburdened state and local governments to support mental health courts, training the staff, and mental health and substance abuse treatment services, with the purpose of better addressing the needs for our non-violent offenders. By supporting these entities and addressing the substance abuse and mental health issues and challenges around non- violent offenders, we can lower the impact of the opioid epidemic and decrease recidivism throughout our country. I appreciate your consideration of these requests and the opportunity to be before you today, and I yield back the balance of my time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [The prepared statement of Mr. Hill follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. Thank you so much for your testimony and we truly appreciate it, your information and your concerns. Mr. Aderholt. Mr. Aderholt. Let me just echo the chairman's comments. I have had a chance to work since I have been in Congress with Historically Black Colleges and Universities, I understand the importance and the impact and the historical aspect of those. Certainly the Department of Justice, especially when it comes to trying to make sure that mentally-- the mentally impaired is something that we do not take lightly, it is something I also think is very important. So, thanks for your testimony on both of these things, your interest and your work on them, and we look forward to working with you on this committee and how we can try to be a piece of the puzzle in trying to make this work for everyone. So, thanks very much. Mr. Hill. Thank you very much. I yield back. Mr. Serrano. Thank you so much. Representative Perlmutter. STATEMENT OF HON. ED PERLMUTTER, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF COLORADO Mr. Perlmutter. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Aderholt, Mr. Cartwright, thank you for having this hearing this afternoon, so that we can all make presentations to you about subjects and issues that are very important to our district. So, for me, I appreciate the opportunity to testify this afternoon about funding for NASA and working together to get our astronauts to Mars by 2033. Supporting NASA and our aerospace industry is one of my top priorities and Colorado has some of the best minds, companies, and capabilities in the aerospace industry. So not only is it a personal passion, obviously, it is something very important to my state. And, after all, Colorado, as Mr. Aderholt knows, Mr. Cartwright and Mr. Serrano, we are a mile above sea level, so the first mile to get our astronauts to Mars is free. [Laughter.] Mr. Perlmutter. We have one of the country's largest space economies, because we have just about everything in our state from a strong scientific research community to small, medium, and large commercial space companies, which work across the civil and defense communities. That is why I have been such a strong supporter for NASA, as have you, as I sit on the Science, Space and Technology Committee. And, importantly, it is about getting our astronauts to Mars by 2033. This is when the orbits of Earth and Mars are closest for years and it saves space travel and reduces the risk for radiation, as Mr. Yoho was talking about, for our astronauts. I believe we need this lead time for all of us to prepare for the undertaking, which is a complicated mission, obviously, which is going to require a lead by NASA, a public- private partnership and international partnership. Exploration is in our DNA as Americans and as humans. We don't necessarily know where our exploration will take us, but the benefits we have seen right back here on Earth from our investment in exploration since the Mercury Program 60 years ago has been tremendous. We have a skilled and driven workforce we are investing in, and the inspiration for the next generation will open new doors for new technologies and answering new questions we can't even imagine today, like those that Representative Yoho was bringing up about birth. And while there are many things I disagree with with this administration, I do think aerospace is an area of bipartisan agreement here in Congress, in the White House, and at NASA. I support the goals for accelerating human missions to land on the Moon again-- that is now called the Artemis Program, as you know-- as long as that program continues to focus on reducing risk for our human missions to Mars. Space exploration is hard and it will require sustained investment from this subcommittee, and continued ingenuity by the smart people at NASA and in the commercial sector. I am asking for your help this year and for the next 13 to provide NASA with the resources for the Mars 2033 mission and the technologies needed for it like nuclear thermal propulsion; entry, descent, and landing systems for Mars; a Mars transport vehicle to get our astronauts around the planet; and many other long lead investments that are needed. I look forward to working with the subcommittee and the entire Congress so we can achieve this goal, which is a very difficult one and will be expensive, that is why we need to get going now. I am going to leave you with and I have left you with, and I will give anybody who wants one of those bumper stickers, I have plenty. [Laughter.] Mr. Perlmutter. So here is my story. And, no, it is not when I am leaving the Congress. So this is the story. So my bumper sticker at home, I have my political bumper sticker, ``Perlmutter, Our Neighbor, Our Voice.'' OK? And then I have that bumper sticker, ``2033.'' My next-door neighbor, a rock- red Republican, came up to me, he says, ``OK, I get the Perlmutter, Our Neighbor, Our Voice, are you running for President in 2033?'' [Laughter.] I said, no, it is not even a presidential year, that is when we are going to get our astronauts to Mars. And this committee is key to that mission, there is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. The lead time is substantial, so that we can get as many things answered as possible before those orbits align at a time for getting our astronauts to the planet. And with that, I yield to any questions. But obviously we have talked a lot about this in our committee, Science, Space and Technology, and NASA has been there to testify a number of times, as has the administrator. [The prepared statement Mr. Perlmutter follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. Well, we thank you for your presentation, it was a very thorough one, and this is a very seriously ongoing conversation in this committee and in other places throughout the Congress. Thank you so much. Mr. Perlmutter. Thank you for your time. Mr. Serrano. Mr. Aderholt? Mr. Aderholt. I just want to echo again the chairman's comments. And space exploration, as he knows, is important to this committee and important to me and we have worked very closely. So, thank you for your work on this and we continue to look forward to working with you, and so we can do space exploration for this country. So, thanks so much. Mr. Cartwright. Other than being relieved that you are not running for President, did your neighbor have any reaction to this bumper sticker? Mr. Perlmutter. Yes. He said, ``Can you guys really think that far out? Can you come up with programs that really take that long a time to put together?'' And I said absolutely we can. You know, you see a lot of the clashes from day to day, but when the Congress sets its mind on something and there is this desire to do something bigger than any one of us or all of us put together, we can do it. And he actually was pretty impressed. Now, you know what, now the responsibility is on your committee to keep him impressed. I think it is something that ties all Americans together, and young and old. The aspirational/inspirational element to something like this, it is so much bigger than one administration or another. So, Mr. Cartwright, yes, he was--he actually was excited about it. Mr. Cartwright. It does bring us together, doesn't it? Mr. Perlmutter. I think it does and I think it will. So I thank you all for your time. Mr. Serrano. The subcommittee will note that Mr. Perlmutter did not tell us if he was impressed with his reelection bumper sticker. [Laughter.] Mr. Perlmutter. I don't think so. Anyway, thank you. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. Representative Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon. STATEMENT OF HON. JENNIFFER GONZALEZ-COLON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE TERRITORY OF PUERTO RICO Miss Gonzalez-Colon. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member. And I will just take that note on the 2033, just to remind the committee that this subcommittee got jurisdiction under the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. So I ask the subcommittee to provide robust funding to the National Science Foundation, as well as NASA programs to support its operation, and include language requiring the sustained Federal support for the facility as well, and that may also help as the greatest telescope in America. First of all, thank you again to the committee for having me here and providing me the opportunity to bring the issues that for Puerto Rico are important in this fiscal year. In that sense, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands--our Nation's Caribbean border--continue to face high levels of violent crime. In that sense, I respectfully urge the subcommittee to include language, just like you did last year, directing the U.S. Department of Justice to prioritize law enforcement personnel and resources in the U.S. Caribbean, in particular a focus on initiatives to reduce drug-related crime. In order to ensure these efforts in making them successful, I am requesting robust funding for the DOJ components that have been on the front lines, fighting crime in Puerto Rico. I also ask this subcommittee to provide the highest possible level of funding for state and local law enforcement assistance programs. In particular, the Byrne Program, the COPS Hiring Program, the Project Safe Neighborhood Program, the Body Worn Camera and Bulletproof Vest Partnership Programs, and the Violence Against Women Act Programs. This committee's also support is important and crucial to ensure U.S. Department of Commerce treats Puerto Rico equally under its statistical programs in fiscal year 2021. The island is excluded from several Federal surveys, which hampers efforts to evaluate our economy and our population needs. In that sense, I request that you appropriate the Bureau of Economic Analysis' budget request of $111 million, which includes funding to support the agency's ongoing efforts to produce annual GDP statistics for Puerto Rico. I note that the Joint Explanatory Statement accompanying the Consolidated Appropriations Act in 2020 required the U.S. Census Bureau to submit a report containing an overall cost estimate and implementation plan for Puerto Rico's inclusion in additional surveys for which we are currently excluded. Please evaluate this document and provide the necessary funding for fiscal year 2021 to ensure the Census can begin working on including the island under these data products. I also ask this committee to maintain the language requiring the Census Bureau data sources for the Electronic Export Information requirement. Right now, they are working with the government of Puerto Rico to make that happen, as you suggested in the last report. So I strongly believe this requirement is a burden on interstate commerce and thus hampers efforts to grow our Island's economy. Moreover, it gives the wrong impression that Puerto Rico is a foreign jurisdiction, hampering our imports from the States, especially when EEI filings are not required for shipments between several states in the Nation. I also request funding for NOAA programs particularly important for Puerto Rico. The Coral Reef Conservation Program; Integrated Ocean Observing System, which supports the Caribbean Regional Association for Coastal Ocean Observing; the National Sea Grant College Program; the National Estuarine Research Reserve System, which supports the Jobos Bay National Estuarine Reserve on the southern coast of the Island; and the Coastal Zone Management Grants. This request also for NOAA and their Tsunami Warning Program is important during hurricane season as well. Its National Tsunami Hazard Mitigation Program, which provides funding for the Puerto Rico Seismic Network, to improve community preparedness and education of tsunami threats across the Island. And, having said that, I just want to conclude saying thank you, Chairman Serrano, for your leadership in the committee and the support of Puerto Rico all the time you have been here in this committee and in Congress, including your longstanding advocacy for the Island's decolonization efforts to bring equality to 3.2 million American citizens on the Island. I thank you, all of you, for your consideration for this request and of course for the opportunity to testify. [The prepared statement of Miss Gonzalez-Colon follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. Thank you so much. Thank you for your comprehensive statement and thank you for being with us today. Mr. Aderholt? Mr. Aderholt. Let me just again say thank you for being here and for your comments. And, as I have said before, this is helpful to us to sort of know what issues that we need to pay attention to. So these issues that you brought up regarding the region that you represent and Puerto Rico, inclusion in these Federal funds, thanks for bringing it to our attention. So we look forward to working with you. Ms. Gonzalez-Colon. Thank you. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. Mr. Kennedy? STATEMENT OF HON. JOSEPH P. KENNEDY III, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS Mr. Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I want to thank the ranking member, Mr. Aderholt, for convening this hearing, for listening to Members, and for all of the work you and your staff are doing to dedicate funding to so many critical programs. Mr. Cartwright, thank you very much for being here as well. It wasn't all that long ago that I found myself standing next to clients as a legal aid volunteer in Boston's housing courts, helping people desperate to keep a roof over their family's head, navigate a complex web of laws and codes that I, too, struggled to comprehend. Through their eyes, I saw our systems failing. A justice system that wasn't providing anything close to equal justice. A housing system that promised tenants and homeowners certain rights, but only if they had access and resources to pursue those remedies. And an economic system tilted towards those who are already powerful. From housing to health care to domestic violence and to sexual assault, to employment, to recovering from a natural disaster, lack of legal representation can trigger a cascade of consequences that leaves our neighbors vulnerable to bankruptcy, unemployment, homelessness, incarceration, and even the loss of life. Nationwide, 90 percent of landlords in eviction lawsuits have legal representation, only about 10 percent of their tenants do. Eighty six percent of low-income people involved in civil legal proceedings receive insufficient help or none at all. Nearly three quarters of low-income households encountered at least one civil legal problem in the past year. Low-income Americans will ask for help from local legal aid organizations nearly 2 million times over the course of a given year and, because of a lack of funding, they will only received limited or no help more than half that time. But when we make good on our promise of equal justice, the results are undeniable. Every year, organizations receiving funding from the Legal Services Corporation support nearly 100,000 veterans and their families. In 2019, LSC released an extensive report showing how critical legal aid is in our efforts to combat an opioid epidemic. Studies in Manhattan have shown that legal counsel for tenants led to a 77 percent decrease in warrants issued for evictions. In rural areas, in urban settings, in the wake of natural disasters, in domestic violence proceedings, in veterans' affairs, in health care disputes, and in housing courts, every single day underpaid lawyers and volunteers are working for underfunded organizations and are desperately trying to make good on this Nation's promise of equal justice because of what we have failed to do. We are here today to ask that Congress provide robust funding for LSC, because we can't afford not to. But we should also make clear that our work isn't finished with one appropriations bill. We have a long way to go and I look forward to working with everyone in this room to help us get there. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [The prepared statement of Mr. Kennedy follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. Thank you. This committee gave quite robust funding last year, this current year, to Legal Services Corporation. Again, we are not making any commitments. It is an account that has-- a program that has a lot of support in the Congress and on both sides of the aisle. So we thank you for your testimony. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, Congressman Kennedy, for your comments here. This has been an issue that I have followed and I have a lot of folks from my constituency in the State of Alabama to come up to also talk about the importance of the issues here regarding the Legal Services Corporation. So, no doubt, it serves a role. I think your examples here are a good example of that. So we look forward to working with you and seeing how we can make the funding as robust as possible, and thanks for your testimony. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you very much, Mr. Ranking Member. I am grateful for it. And Mr. Cartwright, I know was a member of the bar as well, I know it is an issue close to your heart. So thank you for your support. Mr. Cartwright. I wish to associate myself with each and every one of your remarks, Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you. Thank you all, I'm grateful. Mr. Serrano. Thank you, Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you. Mr. Serrano. All right. Representative Gonzalez. STATEMENT OF HON. ANTHONY GONZALEZ, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF OHIO Mr. Gonzalez. Chairman Serrano, Ranking Member Aderholt, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to speak today about several issues that are of vital importance to my community in Northeast Ohio. The first issue I would like to discuss is encouraging the committee to fully fund initiatives that combat child exploitation. Last year, the New York Times published an investigative report detailing the explosion of child sexual abuse material that is online. In 2019, technology companies reported over 69 million images and videos depicting abuse. While law enforcement agencies have expressed concerns about being understaffed and underfunded, evolving technologies have provided new tools to shield predators such as encryption techniques and anonymous platforms like the dark web. Law enforcement must have access to updated technology and adequate staffing resources to address this increasing criminal activity. I want to thank the committee for its leadership the last several years to increase funding in this area. It is clear, though, that this crisis is at a breaking point. I request the committee reaffirm Congress' commitment to combating child exploitation as a law enforcement priority by increasing funding for Missing and Exploited Children programs to $105 million in fiscal year 2021. One of the programs that would benefit from this funding is the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, or ICAC. ICACs are located throughout the country and tasked with responding to reports of child exploitation within their jurisdictions. Congress has continuously underfunded the ICAC program, appropriating around half of the amount authorized. These law enforcement officers are facing mentally exhausting conditions and limited resources, and they need congressional support. The second program that needs this funding is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or NCMEC. NCMEC is the clearinghouse that intakes reports from tech companies about child exploitation on their platforms and directs the reports to the appropriate law enforcement jurisdiction. It is the unfortunate truth that the volume of reports coming into NCMEC is so big that they do not have the resources to address them all-- not even close, actually. Increasing funding for the Missing and Exploited Children programs will help to adequately resource ICAC and NCMEC to effectively combat the spread of online child exploitation. The second initiative I would like to advocate for today is the STOP School Violence Grant Program that is essential to the safety of America's students. Every year, there are thousands of instances of suicides, assaults, bullying, and homicides that affect schools across the country. Research shows that students often display warning signs before taking any action, including telling someone of their plans. STOP School Violence Grants are used to implement evidence-based prevention program training to give our students, teachers, and staff the tools to recognize these warning signs and take proactive steps towards improving the physical and mental well-being of our students. I appreciate the opportunity to make a statement today and look forward to working with the committee to fund efforts that will keep our communities safe. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Gonzalez follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. We thank you for your testimony on these very important issues and for your support, advocacy, and we will certainly take everything into consideration as we go along. Mr. Aderholt? Mr. Aderholt. Yes, I concur, Mr. Chairman. Again, thank you, Congressman, for your comments on this and your commitment to these issues that I think we would be very much in agreement. We certainly look forward to working with you to see how we can appropriately fund all these programs and thanks for your testimony. Mr. Gonzalez. Thank you. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. I'm sorry, go ahead. Mr. Cartwright. Congressman Gonzalez, welcome to CJS, and thank you for your advocacy for funding for Missing and Exploited Children's programs. I can't think of many more important things that we have to do here on this subcommittee. I do look forward to working with my colleague from Ohio, although I must say I begrudge you every single yard you gained against Penn State. Mr. Gonzalez. I'm sorry. [Laughter.] Mr. Cartwright. Apology accepted. Sticking up for missing and exploited children is something that doesn't require any nudging for Democrats and Republicans to see eye-to-eye on and work together to fight against. I introduced the Amy, Vicky, and Andy Child Pornography Victim Assistance Act in 2014 for that very reason. We got solid bipartisan support for it and it passed into law in 2018. And it cured really a defect in the law that was preventing remedies, civil remedies for victims of child pornography. Look, we owe it to our children to provide the resources necessary to fight these forces of evil, is what they are, protect them against these threats. And we owe it to our law enforcement professionals to give them the resources they need to combat this wickedness. So I am here to say, thank you for appearing before us, and I do have some questions, Congressman. Have you been hearing from law enforcement officers about the scale of this crisis and, if so, have they discussed how the lack of resources hampers them? Mr. Gonzalez. Yes. Thank you for your question. So I visited with the FBI Regional Field Office in Cleveland, and then have also been in contact with the Ohio ICACs. And so the answer to your question is, yes. The lack of funding, it has two effects. One, it means that they simply cannot get to the prosecutions for a whole host of exploitive images, and so what they have to do is they prioritize based on the age of the child. So as young as infants are being abused and being pursued online, which is disgusting. And, as a result, there is sort of a segment of the population once you get over a certain age where, because the resources are so slim, they can't even get to it because they are prioritizing the youngest children. Mr. Cartwright. Well, how about suggestions? Do you have any suggestions about the greatest need and where we can best give our law enforcement officers more resources in their efforts? Mr. Gonzalez. Absolutely. So we are advocating for overall funding of all the programs to $105 million, and I see kind of two areas. One is staffing, they are absolutely understaffed. If you talk to the ICACs or NCMEC, you will find out that there is just a staffing issue, we don't have enough people, but also the technology. A lot of the images are trafficked through the dark web using non-traceable weapons, essentially. And so the technology needs to be upgraded as well, because if we have better technology, then we can go pursue the bad actors where they are, quote-unquote, ``living,'' which is on the dark web. Mr. Cartwright. Thank you. And, finally, any other issues that you would like to highlight regarding funding or the lack thereof for the Missing and Exploited Children's programs? Mr. Gonzalez. You know, what I really want to do is I want to highlight the great work that NCMEC and the ICACs are doing. These are wonderful people who have a very, very difficult, arguably impossible job. It is them who are on the front lines who have to look at these images and process them, and then put the investigations in place and go pursue the criminals. They are coordinating as best as humanly possible, but my general perspective is, given the lack of funding, we are asking them to do an impossible job. And as you said and as you fought for for years on this issue, it is something we have to do, it is an imperative of this Congress. So, thank you. Mr. Cartwright. Well said, well said. Thank you. And I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Serrano. Thank you, sir. Mr. Gonzalez. Thank you, sir. Mr. Serrano. Mr. Schneider, Representative Brad Schneider, patiently waiting. STATEMENT OF HON. BRADLEY SCOTT SCHNEIDER, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS Mr. Schneider. Well, thank you, Chairman Serrano, and to everyone here. I appreciate the opportunity to be before you to testify. Zion, Illinois in my district is one of the many communities around the country shouldering the burden of decommissioned nuclear power plants. Only a few hundred yards from the shores of Lake Michigan sits more than 2 million pounds of spent nuclear fuel that serves as physical testament to the legacy of nuclear power in our community. Storing this spent nuclear waste without compensation is just one component of the legacy Zion must bear from the nuclear power plant that once sat on its border. The more pervasive impact is the ongoing stunting of the local economy. Zion lost its biggest source of tax revenue when the power plant closed and now has some of the highest, if not the highest property taxes in the entire country. As a result, home ownership is limited and companies are wary of moving into a community with such a significant tax burden. That is why I am working to pass the STRANDED Act, which would help communities like Zion. But in the meantime, this committee made a significant contribution towards helping nuclear closure communities last fiscal year. For the first time, in fiscal year 2020, funding for the Economic Development Administration included $15 million to boost economic development in nuclear closure communities. I know that Zion is working to put forward a competitive application, but we also know this funding pales in the comparison to the need these communities actually face, and we know that more communities will face decommissioning in the coming decade. It is our duty to help communities like Zion, who for too long have shouldered the legacy of nuclear power on their own. The EDA funding you have included last fiscal year represents a vital resource for these communities to plan the next chapter of economic growth, that is why I am strongly urging this subcommittee to once again fund this critical program. I hope you include $15 million, the same level as fiscal year 2020, to help the nuclear closure communities throughout our country. With that, I thank you and yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Schneider follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. Thank you. Thank you for your testimony, I really appreciate it. Mr. Aderholt? Mr. Aderholt. Thanks for your testimony and look forward to working with you. Mr. Schneider. Great. Thanks so much. Mr. Serrano. Well, we thank everyone who has been with us today, those who are here and those who are gone. Thank you, Mr. Aderholt. And the subcommittee is adjourned. [Material submitted for inclusion in the record follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] PUBLIC TESTIMONY SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Tuesday, March 10, 2020 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET REQUEST WITNESS HON. WILBUR ROSS, SECRETARY Mr. Serrano. The subcommittee will come to order. Today we welcome back the Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, before the subcommittee to testify about the Commerce Department's fiscal year 2021 budget. As we all remember, the Secretary decided not to come and visit with us last year. So I am glad that there has been a change of heart. Despite your absence, we submitted questions for the record, which you returned to us just 4 days ago. This disregard for the role of Congress not only offends this committee but diminishes our ability to do our job. I am glad you are here today, and I hope that your presence here is an indication that the Department is turning a new page. The Department, through the Census Bureau, is in the midst of administering the 2020 Census with most people receiving their first outreach this week. I am sure all of us here want a fair and accurate count and will likely have numerous questions about how things are going. The impact of the coronavirus outbreak on your plans and the ongoing efforts--effects of the fight over the citizenship question. We will also want to hear more about the administrative data collection process, your commitment to the privacy, and the Bureau's plans for this information. I would be remiss if I did not mention the inadequacy of the Department's budget request in a number of important areas that have bipartisan support. I think that many of the proposed cuts in the Commerce Department's request show a disregard for the tens of millions of Americans and Americans' businesses who are helped by these programs. Your request once again seeks to eliminate major economic development programs, like the Economic Development Administration and the Minority Business Development Agency. These agencies promote economic development in underserved areas and communities, including in many areas that voted for the President 4 years ago. The President's budget proposal also undermines Americans' manufacturing by once again proposing to eliminate the Manufacturing Extension Partnership program. In NOAA, the administration has proposed eliminating at least 24 programs and includes significant budgets cuts for programs focused on climate change, research, frontline response to environmental issues at the State or local levels and educating the next generation of STEM students. These proposals undermine the future of our Nation's scientific leadership and our ability to respond comprehensively to global climate change, and that is unacceptable. In many cases, the proposed cuts are ones that Congress has rejected in the past. We expect to have a tight budget environment for domestic nondefense discretionary bills this year, and given the holes that this subcommittee will need to fill, it will be hard for us to talk of major budget investments requested by the Department. I look forward to talking with you more about these issues today. I look forward to your testimony. I am glad that you are here. With that, let me turn to Ranking Member Aderholt for his opening statement. Mr. Aderholt. I thank you for yielding, Mr. Chairman, and thanks for organizing this important hearing today, and it is good to have the Secretary with us to learn more about the resources that are needed at the Department of Commerce. So, welcome, Secretary Ross. We are honored to have you here today, and I wholeheartedly support the Department's efforts to promote job creation and economic competitiveness and to protect our Nation's innovators and manufacturers from unfair trade practices in particular. This administration has stood up more for manufacturing jobs in Alabama and across the country than any other. So I thank you, Secretary Ross, for your work on that. I thank President Trump for his commitment to that for making American industry a very top priority. Beyond fostering jobs and opportunities for the people of north Alabama, the area that I represent, and across literally across the Nation, the Department of Commerce also oversees a variety of critical programs that are so important to this Nation. For example, the Commerce Department administers a vital system of export controls that restrict the export of items that could have a detrimental impact on the national security of the United States. In addition, the Department's National Institute of Standards and Technology works to advance measurement science standards and technology in ways that enhance economic security and improve our quality of life. Further, as this committee is well aware, the Department of Commerce leads efforts to improve the quality and the efficiency of this Decennial Census and other important surveys. We are actually watching with great anticipation right now as the 2020 Census gets kicked off later this month. The fiscal year 2021 budget shifts our focus on the Census Bureau's post-enumeration operations, including the release of data for apportionment and for redistricting purposes. I will note that many in Alabama and other States are concerned about whether the surge in illegal immigration after the last Census, combined with the policies of sanctuary cities, will cause some of the States that actually help enforce our country's immigration laws to actually lose a congressional seat, as well as electoral vote in the presidential election process. It should be noted that this budget also supports critical activities for NOAA, including the provision of daily weather forecasts, severe storm warnings, climate monitoring, along with efforts to support fisheries and foster marine commerce. And I would remiss if I didn't mention that more Americans perish from tornadoes in the Southeast than anywhere else in the country. So much the time we think of other parts, especially the Midwest, but there is more Americans have actually died from tornadoes in the Southeast. As we debate the budget priorities for fiscal year 2021, we remember that there was at least 24, if not more, Americans' lives that were lost over the past few days in tornadoes that occurred in Tennessee, and then we also remember the 23 Americans that lost their lives just a year ago in Alabama from tornadoes. NOAA's VORTEX Southeast program is central to understanding and forecasting tornadoes in the Southeast and how residents respond to these warnings. I look forward to discussing many important matters with you, Mr. Secretary. I will have some questions about trade enforcement, weather forecasting, cybersecurity, and the quantum computing environment and space commerce among many other things that will be brought up. So, again, I thank you, Mr. Chairman, for yielding. And I thank you, Mr. Secretary, for being here this morning. And I yield back. Mr. Serrano. I thank you, Mr. Aderholt. Mr. Secretary, you are now recognized to give your opening statement. Please try to limit your remarks to 5 minutes, and we will ensure that your full statement appears in the record. STATEMENT OF HON. WILBUR ROSS, SECRETARY, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE Secretary Ross. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Serrano, Ranking Member Aderholt, and members of the House Appropriations Subcommittee, I thank you for this opportunity to discuss President Trump's fiscal year 2021 budget request for the U.S. Department of Commerce. It is a privilege to appear before you today. We are committed to working with you to grow the U.S. economy, defend our industries from unfair foreign competition, and protect our national security. The 2021 budget for the Commerce Department achieves these goals by providing the resources needed for the successful completion of the 2020 Decennial Census by ensuring American leadership in space, by bolstering trade promotion, trade enforcement, and export controls, by providing for satellite acquisition and vessel recapitalization for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, by generating the timely economic data needed by businesses to analyze markets, invest in communities, and hire American workers, and by supporting research, development, invention, and standards in leading-edge industries and technologies. In the short time allotted to my opening statement, I will discuss three priorities for next year: first, the Census Bureau; then space; and then trade. The request of Census Bureau for fiscal year 2021 is $1.6 billion. I am pleased to report that, with your support, we are on budget, on schedule, and on track to accomplish the 2020 Decennial Census. Next year's budget supports the important post-enumeration operations for determining apportionment and the allocation of Federal funding. The Commerce Department's Office of Space Commerce is the second priority initiative that urgently needs funding. Our request of $15 million advances U.S. leadership in space as we shift responsibility for tracking tens of thousands, in fact, hundreds of thousands, of pieces of space debris from the Department of Defense to the Department of Commerce. The exponential growth of commercial satellites is increasing geometrically the risk of catastrophic collisions that could generate additional debris and threaten critical space assets. The task of tracking this debris and providing adequate warnings to space operators was set forth in Space Policy Directive No. 3. Finally, the budget request $474.4 million for the International Trade Administration, the ITA, enabling U.S. companies and their domestic employees to compete on a level international playing field. We seek an additional $5 million for ITA's Enforcement and Compliance division to keep up with the increasing number of anti-dumping and countervailing duty cases. Funding also would enable us to conduct additional reviews of foreign acquisitions of U.S. companies as required by the Foreign Investment Risk Review Modernization Act, FIRRMA. In my time with you today, we can discuss the Commerce Department's budget request for all of the bureaus, including NOAA, NIST, the Bureau of Industry and Security, U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, and other agencies between--within the Department. On a personal note, Chairman Serrano, congratulations on your honorable service here in Congress and all you have done for your constituents and for the American people. I truly wish you well in your retirement from this Chamber. Now, on behalf of the Department, I will try my best to answer your questions. [The prepared statement of Secretary Ross follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Serrano. I thank you for your comments, and I will miss this place, but it has been a long time: 30 years here and 16 in the New York State Assembly; 46 years is a long time, and maybe it is time to go watch a few Yankee games. It is down the block from where I live, you know. But thank you for your comments. I appreciate them. Mr. Secretary, as more cases of the virus make the headlines, I am concerned about how the Census is planning to address the potential impact this will have not only on response but also on the number of partners and enumerators who are willing to ensure an accurate count. What can you tell us about the Census Bureau's plans to deal with the coronavirus, and do you anticipate that you will spend any real contingency funds for this purpose? Secretary Ross. Yes, sir. Well, first of all, because we added internet responses as an alternative this year--and we, in fact, expect a very large proportion of the responses to be by internet--so fortunately that doesn't involve any physical contact with people and, therefore, is in and of itself an advantage. Second, people can also respond by phone. Again, it doesn't involve physical contact. And they still have the original ability to respond by mail or in paper, and, as far as I know, the postal system has not posed any moratorium on postal service. In terms of the Department itself, we have a fusion center set up at Census headquarters here, and that involves a group of people that are on 24/7 to alert senior management to any contingencies that develop, such as an outbreak of coronavirus in a particular location, such as a change in health warning from the Federal Government. So we are very well-equipped to--we have a quick response team. We have already organized the response team, and, therefore, I believe we have done as much as we can to be ready for whatever contingencies come up, whether coronavirus, whether weather, whether whatever. Mr. Serrano. In the information and the comments that I am sure the Department gets from the people on the field who are going to conduct the Census, people that have been placed there already to do the work, are they showing any concern about how the virus might affect? Secretary Ross. Well, we have only begun the mailing a couple of days ago. I am happy to say we already have gotten some internet responses. So that is the only direct thing that we are able to comment on there. Everybody is obviously concerned with all the media coverage. I don't think there is anybody who lacks concern about the potential for it. So we will just have to play it by ear. We are ready to make responses, and we will deal with the situation as it evolves. Mr. Serrano. I thank you, Mr. Secretary. Your budget for NOAA proposes to consolidate the National Centers for Environmental Prediction, Climate Prediction, and Weather Prediction in your congressional justification. You know that it will limit some of NOAA's products and services, which have supported national security planning and execution for a number of things, including pandemic health planning. Do you stand by this proposed decrease in operational capacity in light of the coronavirus? Secretary Ross. Well, in terms of the Census, we have a $2 billion contingency fund available to us. As of the moment, we don't think there is any particular necessity to use it. What we are doing to try to keep the workplace safe is encouraging employees to do four things: one, practice good hygiene, stop handshaking, clean hands at the door, create habits and reminders to avoid touching faces, disinfect surfaces like doorknobs, increase ventilation, be careful with meetings and travel, limit food sharing, strengthen health screening, and stay home if they feel sick or if they have a sick member in their home. So those are the very specific actions that we have already taken within the Census. Mr. Serrano. I appreciate that. But within NOAA, I had asked you just to comment on what your cuts would do for the budget NOAA, which proposes to consolidate the centers. Can you tell us anything about that? Secretary Ross. I am sorry. I have a little trouble hearing you, sir. I believe you were asking about the regional coastal resilience program. Mr. Serrano. The consolidation of Climate Prediction Centers, Weather Prediction Center functions at NOAA, as well as pandemic health planning. Secretary Ross. Yes. Those were moves initiated by the career staff, and their purpose is to increase the efficiency of the operation. They don't believe that there will be any material adverse consequence from doing so. Mr. Serrano. I thank you. We will revisit that, I am sure, during the year. I am concerned with news reports that the Department of Homeland Security is deploying elite tactical teams to cities, including New York, with little to no justification that would potentially suppress response rates. The Commerce Department has a responsibility to ensure that the Census Bureau meets its constitutional mandate to enumerate all persons. Did you communicate concerns to the DHS Acting Secretary about the potential impact to the Census operation and, if not, can you commit today that you will ask for a delay in this specific operation until the conclusion of the 2020 Census? Now you know that, in one way or another, we have been very public about the fact that anything that may give people the feeling that they are being chased or looked after or information is being used for other purposes will only hurt the Census count. And so these tactical teams, these elite teams being sent into the cities is concerning a lot of people. Secretary Ross. Well, the Census is not an enforcement agency. We do not give the schedule of our enumerators to Homeland Security, to ICE, or to anyone else. So there is no danger that enforcement officials will be following the Census taker into a home. Second, all Census employees take a lifetime oath not to disclose any individual personal information to anybody. It is not permitted to be used for any purpose other than enumeration, and if anyone were to violate, it is punishable by a jail sentence and a very large fine. We also have done the best can we can with cybersecurity. The data are encrypted from the moment it comes into our possession, while it is being transmitted, and when it is at rest in the computers. Mr. Serrano. Let me finish this up by asking you do you have any idea as to why these teams are being deployed, especially at this particular time? You see, I can't emphasize enough the need to have the Census count be one that is free of any outside interference. And when you send people in to look for certain things in neighborhoods, it just has a chilling effect on people's ability to allow themselves to be counted. Secretary Ross. The Census employees are very clearly identified as such. They have a badge. They have a physical ID. So there should not be any confusion in the part of the public as to whether it is a Census employee or an ICE person on the scene. Second, I mentioned to you the precautions that we already do take. And, third, we are running much more in the way of advertising, explaining why the Census is safe, why the data are protected, and why we do--we are not asking the citizenship question and are only asking basically nine very straightforward easy-to-answer questions. So we have spent a lot more on advertising than ever before. We have a lot more partnerships with community institutions and national institutions than ever before. We are doing a lot more ethnic advertising to those segments of the population that might be particularly concerned about enforcement activities. So we are doing the best we can with that. We also have established on our website a rumors section where we will try to deal with anything we have found that comes out that is a fraudulent rumor that might give people cause for alarm. And, finally, we have engaged very constructively with Facebook, Twitter, and all the other social media organizations to have them be very scrupulous about taking down misleading ads or blogs that might come in. Mr. Serrano. I thank you. Let me just close by saying that I wish the Commerce Department would at some time ask the Justice Department just why they are coming in at this particular time. Mr. Aderholt. Mr. Aderholt. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Secretary, I commend the Department for creating a new section 232 exclusion portal that handles the vast amount of 232 exclusion requests, and I know you have received quite a bit of good feedback on that effort there. However, some users of this new portal are reporting that it is more difficult for users to download a request objection or rebuttal submission. And even with the new portal, we are hearing reports that it is still very difficult to track and to analyze aggregated requests by product, volume, country of origin, alloy, and other relevant factors. Furthermore, users report being unable to assess within the portal whether granted exclusion requests have been utilized and to what extent. My question that I would ask to you is: Does the Department intend to feature such data, including as a filtering option, and does Commerce have a timeline for improving the elements of the portal that users are finding frustrating or that are lacking in some ways? Secretary Ross. Well, we have been simplifying things, and we have been accelerating the response time. We have achieved a 79-percent decrease in initial posting times and 63-percent decrease in decision times under the portal regime. On average, the Department now posts requests within 3 days of submission and renders decisions on those cases that have no objections within 59 days of submission. That is about the fastest that we can do, sir, because there is statutory periods for notifications. Mr. Aderholt. But regarding these areas that people are finding that are objectionable, the frustrating, and the lacking, is there--are you-all looking into that to how you-all can improve that? Secretary Ross. We are, and we have phone number for people to call and internet place for them to notify if they have questions about terms that they don't understand or other guidance that they may need. And all ex parte communiques are posted on the website. There are no concealed ex parte communications. Mr. Aderholt. Let me ask you about working to mitigate enforcement circumvention, that is, product modification, transshipment. Given the significant costs the Department incurs, investigating these trade remedy cases, how are you working with the enforcement of those things? Secretary Ross. Well, we recently--at our suggestion, the President posted another executive order that deals with what we call derivative products. Those are ones that are largely just the raw material with a little tiny modification that have increased in quantity and, therefore, represent a form of circumvention of the original 232. So that has dealt with quite a few of those items. And we keep screening the monthly data, both in steel and aluminum, in search of any more. Plus, very recently the aluminum industry filed with us a petition covering another 22 items that they feel may be circumventing. We are studying that very carefully, and if warranted, we will self-initiate again on that. Mr. Aderholt. What criteria does the Department use when it is determining whether a case is ripe for self-initiation, as it did in 2017 with the common alloy aluminum sheet from China? Secretary Ross. Well, we are data-driven. We are fact- driven. So, to the degree that we can gather together on our own or with help from industry sufficient facts to warrant self-initiation, we do it. We also try especially to consider doing it in cases where the industry is worried about retaliation from a foreign country, where they may have some complaints, but also have some operating facilities. So we are very interested in self-initiation because it speeds up the process, it lowers the cost to the American industry for conducting the process, and we think in general it is a very worthwhile activity. Mr. Aderholt. And can you talk a little bit about how the Department is seeking to make trade remedies accessible to petitioners who are actually small businesses? Secretary Ross. We hold seminars around the country. We have offices in many tens of American cities that try to help people understand both how they can export better and how they can protect themselves from illicit imports. That is probably the best mechanism we have for dealing with the small business community. Mr. Aderholt. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Serrano. I thank you. We now welcome the chairwoman of the full committee, Mrs. Lowey. The Chairwoman. I thank you. And welcome. Nice to see you again. I am sorry, but I was dealing with the coronavirus next door. There are many---- Secretary Ross. Oh, my goodness. The Chairwoman. hearings at the same time. Secretary Ross. Well, I hope haven't been exposed, Congresswoman. The Chairwoman [continuing]. No, I hope not, but we do have multiple hearings and I am glad to see you today. Mr. Secretary, the Republican National Committee recently sent mailers soliciting campaign donations that were designed to look like the Census form. With existing concerns around disinformation campaigns on social media, these kinds of mailers are dangerous, predatory, and exacerbate concerns with undercounting. If you could, share with me what the Census Bureau is doing to swiftly, directly, and effectively counter these efforts to ensure a complete count. Secretary Ross. I thank you for that question. It is a very relevant one. As you are probably aware, something like a fifth of all the internet users around the world are indicated to be bots. So it is a real problem to have extraneous material come in. So we have put up a rumors page on our website that counteracts whatever rumors we are aware of. Further, we have made relatively formal arrangements with the major social media entities--Facebook, Twitter, and the others--so that they are very vigilant about taking down bad material that comes up. And Facebook, as you probably are aware, has taken down that Republican National Committee message. The Chairwoman. Was there any, frankly, research done to suggest that the Republican National Committee did not do it or are you acknowledging they did do it? Secretary Ross. Well, I don't know---- The Chairwoman. And then I would be interested no know what the administration is doing about that. Secretary Ross. Well, I have no idea whether it was a legitimate thing by the RNC or not. What I do know is that we have made a point of emphasizing in our ads and in our communications that we don't ask for money. We don't ask for people's Social Security number. We don't ask for anything like that, and Facebook has already taken that ad down. The Chairwoman. Do you have the--does the Census Bureau or the Department have any authority to penalize those who falsely present documents as a Census form? Secretary Ross. Last--well, present documents. If you are talking about social media communiques or advertisements, I don't think we have any legal authority to deal with them. We are not---- The Chairwoman. I just want to make it clear. These were mailers from the Republican National Committee going directly to people's home. Secretary Ross. Right. No, I understand what the situation appears to be. I don't believe we have any authority over it. If you are aware of any statutory authority, I would love to hear about it. The Chairwoman. Well, I would like to suggest that this is outrageous. No one, to my knowledge, refuted the fact that the Republican National Committee sent these forms in. It was deceptive, and I would like to know what the Government of the United States that interfaces with the Republican National Committee is going to do about it because it is outrageous. Secretary Ross. I hear your observation. The Chairwoman. OK. Let me on to the next one. I am really concerned about the data-sharing agreements the Census Bureau has with multiple Federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department. Many of these agreements were signed months ago. My staff has been asking for copies of these since at least October. My staff were only recently notified these agreements were posted at the end of February. Secretary Ross. Most of those agreements were not even entered into until February. We had to negotiate agreements with the various agencies, and that took quite a while to do. To my knowledge, we posted them as soon as we had definitive agreement. As to the nature of the sharing arrangement, it is a one- way sharing. We get access to their data. We have no obligation to provide any data to them, and, indeed, we are prohibited from doing so. So it is a one-way arrangement that we have with them. The Chairwoman. Well, I would like more information on that, Mr. Secretary, because you know there would be real concern among those who were asked for information for the Census if, in fact, that information was transferred to the Department of Homeland Security. And I am very concerned that your department has delayed to get this information to my staff and only after it was publicly available because I personally was very concerned about that. Look, we all want to get an accurate Census, but we know there are concerns. Secretary Ross. Well, I am not aware that anyone within our department did anything deliberately to delay posting on the website the information. If they didn't respond to a direct request, I apologize for that. They should have. But in any event, as soon as we had definitive agreements, it is my understanding we put them on the website. The Chairwoman. If I can just take one more--can I ask one more question? Mr. Serrano. Sure. The Chairwoman. OK. Now just to pursue this issue, I understand the Census Bureau is producing citizenship data at the block level. Now this data is supposed to be anonymized to ensure privacy, but the data you plan to release will effectively show where pockets of citizens and noncitizens reside. Is that correct? Secretary Ross. That is the request that was made in the executive order by the President, yes, ma'am. The Chairwoman. Well, I thank you for that information. I think it is entirely inappropriate, and we will follow up, and I would like to have some explanations about who directed it. And if the President himself did, I would like a response. I don't expect him to come here before this committee at any time, but I thank you for your honesty and your straightforward response, and we will certainly pursue it. Again, the data you plan to release will show where pockets of citizens and noncitizens reside, and it is the President who has requested that data? Secretary Ross. Well, what we have--what we are doing is the following: We have not received all of the raw data from the Federal agencies. The passport data from the State Department has not yet been forthcoming. It will be within the next few days. The data we have received, the career personnel at Census are analyzing, trying to figure out what steps they can take with it. So we don't have a final decision yet. What we do feel very strongly about is we will mask the data that we put out, the so-called differential privacy activity, which essentially consists of introducing static into the material so that individual data would be exceedingly difficult, if not impossible, to track from comparing the Census data to other public data. The Chairwoman. You have been very generous, Mr. Chairman, with your time. And I would suggest that this is such a critical issue because the amount of money we have in New York is dependent on--and in other States--accurate Census data. So, if there is monkey business around here and if this Census data is being used by the Department of Homeland Security or other departments, this is a big problem for me and for all of us in the Congress. So I look forward to pursuing this and getting additional information. I thank you for your generosity. Secretary Ross. It will also be a big problem for anyone who leaks it because it is a criminal offense. It is punishable by multiple years in prison and by a large fine. And as I mentioned to Chairman Serrano before, every Census taker and me and everybody relative to it takes a lifetime oath not to divulge to anybody other than in the context of the Census enumeration. The Chairwoman. Wait a minute. Not to divulge but what to divulge? So it is illegal to divulge to another agency? Secretary Ross. We cannot divulge---- The Chairwoman. That is what is happening. Secretary Ross. I said we cannot divulge individual personal data to anybody. The Chairwoman. Look, let me repeat this again, and then you have been very generous. I understand that this data is supposed to be anonymized to ensure privacy. Secretary Ross. Right. The Chairwoman. But the data you plan to release will effectively show where pockets of citizens and noncitizens reside. We can follow up when we have more time, unless you want to give the generosity of the chair, but that is information that should not be released with the data collection. Secretary Ross. I would be happy to have the Census professionals doing the work on differential privacy to explain in great detail what they are doing to try to shield individual data. The Chairwoman. I thank you very much. I thank you for your generosity. Mr. Serrano. I thank you. Mrs. Roby. Mrs. Roby. I thank you, Chairman Serrano and Ranking Member Aderholt. Mr. Secretary, I appreciate your willingness to come before our committee today. Every day emergency managers work to keep our communities alerted to and safe from potential threats, including severe weather. Many Department of Commerce programs, including National Weather Service websites and NWSChat are utilized by local and state emergency managers and television meteorologists to collect and distribute real-time lifesaving information. Just last week, I had the opportunity to meet and discuss ongoing issues with emergency managers from Alabama, and one of their concerns is that these programs have failed to perform when they are needed most because of outdated and overloaded information technology systems. And so I understand in my meeting with them that there is a plan for a National Weather Service integrated dissemination program that outlines these necessary updates that is currently under review by the Department of Commerce. So I know this is a very nuanced question, and if you don't have an answer for me here today, that is fine, but I wanted to present it here publicly to ask you if you could share more information with us about the Department's plan for improvements and if Congress can expect to see a report on this issue. Secretary Ross. Well, we are trying to deal with the problem of outdated and overloaded technology throughout the Department and, in fact, I believe throughout the Federal Government. The Federal Government has not been as quick as private sector to update technology. We have, within Commerce, something like 70 different systems of different vintages. So you can appreciate the problem of having them interact with each other. If there are more specific concerns you have relating to Census or NOAA or the others, be glad to schedule a briefing for you. Mrs. Roby. That would be great. I appreciate it. Online shopping has become an everyday occurrence for millions of Americans, myself included. No matter what type of product you are buying, the safety and reliability of that product is important. As online shopping has become more prominent in today's culture, the sale of counterfeit goods has become a growing issue around the world, and I am grateful to serve as the cochair of the Congressional Trademark Caucus. I have dedicated my efforts during my time in Congress to propose solutions to this pressing issue. As you know, I am an appropriator. I am here today. But I also wear a hat on Judiciary as well, and I recently joined my colleagues in introducing a bipartisan piece of legislation called the Stopping Harmful Offers on Platforms by Screening Against Fakes in E-Commerce Act, or the SHOP SAFE Act. The SHOP SAFE Act protects consumers and brands for the sale of counterfeit goods online and incentivizes e-commerce platforms to adopt best practices in order to decrease the sale of these goods. So my question for you, sir, is, what is the Department of Commerce doing to protect our communities from the sale of counterfeit goods online and to maintain consumers' confidence in e-commerce? Secretary Ross. Well, first of all, the USPTO, the Patent and Trademark Office, engages with the officials here and abroad to improve our domestic and foreign IP laws and regulation. And, in fact, we recently participated in a very large campaign to make sure that the new head of the WIPO, the global organization that deals with intellectual property, is someone who is appropriately sensitive to it. Second, the USPTO works with both domestic partners and countries around the world building their capacity in regulating intellectual property, dealing with counterfeit goods. Third, we have public outreach and education. For example, we actually had a video contest on the topic of consumers combat counterfeits with six winners ranging from age groups across the country. In addition, last June, we had a public forum with the McCarthy Institute to discuss challenges that brands, owners, and how public and private organizations can help in the fight. PTO has a team dedicated to China issues, which is where a lot of this comes from. That includes IP attaches stationed in three cities in China at the U.S. Embassies and at two consulates there. So that is another very effective activity. In terms of more specific things overall, in January, the White House released a memo on combating trafficking and counterfeited and pirated goods. That memo contained a number of recommendations for action to educate the public and combat the sale and proliferation of counterfeit and pirated goods. With respect to Commerce, we are taking action to implement the recommendations of this memo, and those include the USPTO has entered into an agreement with the National Crime Prevention Council to partner in a multiyear public awareness campaign aimed at educating the public about the dangers of counterfeit goods. The focus of the campaign is on educating teenagers, tweens, and their parents about the dangers of buying fake products. And on March 19th, USPTO plans to conduct an event launching this initiative where it will release another anti-counterfeiting video to join in this effort. Finally, we will play a leading role in examining the state of current law with regard to secondary liability for online platforms for trademark infringement. The goal is to assess the state of current laws through secondary trademark liability and to hear from stakeholders regarding the potential need to enhance the laws in this area. Mrs. Roby. I thank you, Mr. Secretary. I thank you, Mr. Secretary. Mr. Serrano. Mr. Cartwright. Mr. Cartwright. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I thank you, Mr. Secretary, for deciding to come this year. Look, protecting the safety and the health of the American public I see as one of our highest duties. Don't you? Secretary Ross. Yes, sir. Mr. Cartwright. In your testimony, you spoke of the need to support the National Weather Service and its forecasting capabilities and of the vital importance of accurate forecasts of hurricanes and other extreme weather events, and I agree with that. It is vital to protect human American lives and also to safeguard our economy by accurate forecasting. But today you are here proposing nearly three quarters of a billion dollar cut to NOAA's overall budget. That is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Is that approximately correct, about three quarters of a billion dollar cut to NOAA? Secretary Ross. Well, we are terminating certain parts and shrinking certain parts, but the regional climate services are critical to providing climate services tailored to the specific needs of the region that they serve. Mr. Cartwright. But overall it is about a three quarters of a billion dollar cut to NOAA's overall budget, correct? Secretary Ross. I believe a good part of that, sir, is due to difference in acquisition of hardware, but that sort of a number seems about right to me. Mr. Cartwright. OK. And Chairman Serrano was correct, wasn't he, when he said 24 programs are eliminated from NOAA under your proposed budget? Secretary Ross. The 24 programs have been merged into were superseded by other programs. It is not that none of those functions will be provided any longer. Mr. Cartwright. Is the answer ``yes,'' sir? Secretary Ross. Well, that is my answer, sir. Mr. Cartwright. The budget also proposes a 40 percent cut to oceanic and atmospheric research and a $15 million cut to the National Weather Service workforce. Mr. Secretary, it is important not only for the Government to have the resources accurately to forecast the weather but also for Americans to be able to trust the Government's forecast and warnings during a disaster. Last fall, this administration created unnecessary fear by grossly exaggerating the probability that Hurricane Dorian was going go into Alabama, despite scientific evidence telling us otherwise. Rather than helping stop public panic, your office directed NOAA to refute its own scientists and issue a statement pushing this false narrative. NOAA's chief scientist called this response, quote, political, unquote and a, quote, danger to public health and safety. NOAA's chief scientist said that, and your department's inspector general opened an investigation into the politicization of the forecast. Government employees are now fearful that their careers are at risk if they support sound science and if they tell the truth. Our government has to inspire confidence and trust in times of crisis. It is not a game. This goes beyond politics. Real lives are at stake. And here is what I am afraid of. I am afraid that your actions, which sowed distrust in our government, are going to have ramifications as we go forward battling this coronavirus. And I fear the administration in which you serve has not learned a lesson about the importance of truth in science and transparency. Your administration said that anybody that wants to test for a virus can get one, and scientists say: We don't have enough tests to do that. Your administration said the virus has already peaked. Scientists disagree. Your administration has made it clear that it wants to suppress the number of reported cases. Scientists want to understand the scope of the problem and take action to contain the virus. Americans need to be able to trust the government and especially in these life-threatening situations. Whether they be extreme weather events or pandemic outbreaks, when the health and safety of American families is at stake, we have to stick to facts and support the science, even if scientific evidence lead to conclusions that are not politically advantageous. Mr. Ross, I hope you understand the role you have played in sowing distrust in our Federal Government. Will you pledge today before all of us to do everything in your power to help restore trust in our government and only disseminate information that is accurate? Secretary Ross. Well, first of all, sir, I dispute many of the characterizations that you put forward. I did not order anyone to change a scientific opinion. As I said in my original confirmation hearings and have said repeatedly since, I am not a technologist. I believe scientists should be the ones who issue scientific judgments. I have never directed any scientist at NOAA to change one word of--or anywhere else--change one word of any research report nor have I ever threatened anyone with loss of job if they fail to do so. So those are inaccurate characterizations. I think there are probably other inaccuracies, but it was so many statements you made, I, frankly, don't remember all of the content, but I would be happy to address individual ones if you wish. Mr. Cartwright. I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Serrano. Mr. Case. Mr. Case. I thank you, Mr. Secretary. First of all, I want to associate myself fully with the remarks of Chair Serrano and Mr. Cartwright as to the Department's slashing of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's budget proposed slashing, a quarter of a billion dollars, 14 percent. This is the second year at least that, as I have been on this committee, subcommittee, where you have done that. And I don't understand what appears to be an institutional antipathy toward research and development on our oceans and atmosphere. It doesn't make any sense to me. These are critical parts of our natural world that influence us and impact us in some ways, whether they be scientific, economic, right across the board, and I am going to leave it at that. I don't support them. I hope that this Congress again restores and increases that funding. That is critical, and I don't get the policy judgments that are going into that. Let me move to another subject. Secretary Ross. Is there a question, sir? Mr. Case. No, it is just a statement. Secretary Ross. OK. Mr. Case. I would like to discuss our country's U.S. travel and tourism industry with you, which is critical, of course, to our country. This is an industry that is a multitrillion dollar industry for our country. Estimates it is somewhere in the range of 3 percent plus of GDP, millions of jobs, critical export industry, 10 percent of all exports, I think 30, 40 percent, as I recall, of service exports in an industry that is obviously on the ropes because of the coronavirus crisis. And the impact is especially severe in States such as my Hawaii, where it is the No. 1 industry, accounting for one quarter-plus of our economy directly and indirectly a lot more, many, many jobs, and that is true of many, many other States. You are the chair of the Tourism Policy Council, which is our premier Federal organization that is intended to coordinate U.S. travel and tourism policy across nine departments, as well as the leaders of the travel and tourism industry. So you are at the epicenter of what the response is from our government to address the disproportionate impact of coronavirus on the travel and tourism industry. And I have got two questions for you. First of all, what can you tell us that you are doing about the travel and tourism industry at this dire time for the industry, number one? Number two, I did note that the Department of Commerce's budget request proposed a substantial reduction of the International Trade Administration, which is where the National Travel and Tourism Office is housed. And my question is: Would you reconsider that budget reduction as to the ITA in the context of the coronavirus, especially as it impacts the travel and tourism? And I am going to add a third question, which is relevant. Sorry about that. What specific appropriations do you believe you need to address this crisis from the perspective of the travel and tourism industry? What is not in your budget that, now that we know where we are and where we appear to be going on travel and tourism in this country, do you need to help this major industry? Secretary Ross. Well, you are certainly correct that we are very involved with the travel and tourism industry and are very active with helping to promote it. We meet quite regularly with the advisory council, which has among its members most of the major and many of the minor people in that industry. As to the coronavirus itself, the first obligation of the administration is to protect the American public. Once that has been done, then we can deal with the differential impact on individual industries. The President gave at least some indications, I think it was last night, about some measures he was considering to try to mitigate the effects. Let's see what he comes up with. But we are very, very concerned to try to protect the economy as much as we can within the confines of not wanting to spread the disease. Mr. Case. I agree very much with you, Mr. Secretary, that all of our first and foremost obligation is to protect our citizens and others, and I understand that that protection is going to inherently impact the travel and tourism industry. However, I would also say to you, sir, that I don't believe that this should be a sequential process because the travel and tourism industry is being impacted right now as a result of the responses that we need to be taking. So I would suggest to you that the council should focus with a laser sharp attention to what can be done to address the needs of this industry from an economic dislocation perspective now rather than down the road. Secretary Ross. Surely. Well, the best thing for travel and tourism, in fact, the best thing for the whole country, will be as quickly as possible finding a vaccine, as quickly as possible testing everybody, and as quickly as possible getting rid of this problem. I think the actions the President took already have helped prevent this from becoming an Italy type situation where, for all practical purposes, the whole country has been quarantined. So I don't think it is quite correct, sir, to say that it is been sequential. I think the administration has tried very hard to be on top of the problem. As you know, they give daily briefings, and they try to put into perspective the magnitude of the problem relative to the hysteria that has been generated around it. So we are trying our best to be responsible, give people accurate information, but not unduly alarm them so that they take remedies that are not necessary and are not warranted. Mr. Case. Thank you. Mr. Serrano. Ms. Meng. Ms. Meng. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Secretary Ross, for being here today. I wanted to follow up on Chairwoman Lowey's questions and comments about the false ads, whether it is from Facebook or the RNC, that had been mailed out. In regards to the Facebook ads that were removed that claimed to be part of the Census, did the Bureau take any further steps to dispel this information? Secretary Ross. Well, the Bureau has not been able to find any statutory authority to take any kind of enforcement action against anybody who has done misleading ads. We just don't have the authority to do anything. Ms. Meng. Did the Bureau post anything on its own rumors page that could help dispel the rumors? Secretary Ross. I know that it has posted information, such as the Census never asks for money. If I am not mistaken, that ad asks for money. They also--we posted that we never ask for Social Security number. So we tried to correct things and make clear what we do do and what we don't do. Ms. Meng. So, if an ad didn't request money or Social Security numbers or personal---- Secretary Ross. I am sorry? Ms. Meng. So, if there was a similar ad, but it didn't request Social Security or private information, nor did it request money, would that be OK? Secretary Ross. No, I didn't suggest that. But you are asking what did we do in response to that specific ad. And those were specific features, as I recall it, in that ad. Ms. Meng. Was any information released, a statement perhaps by you or the Census Bureau, dispelling it? Secretary Ross. If we put out a statement every time that there was something that was erroneous, we would be putting out probably hundreds of statements a day. So it is really not practical for us to do that. Ms. Meng. And in terms of the mailers by the RNC, has that been posted on the web rumors web page or any public statements made about that? Secretary Ross. Well, the ad is down. The ad has been pulled down. Ms. Meng. Oh, I was talking about the mailers that Chairwoman Lowey was referring to, the RNC mailers. Secretary Ross. Yeah, I don't know the exact status of those. I would be glad to get back to you. Ms. Meng. Thank you. I appreciate that. Have you spoken with the President or anyone on his team on the government's side or the political side to request that they stop these look-alike mailers? Secretary Ross. I don't have any influence or control over the RNC and whatever ads they run. I had no idea that they were running that. They just did it. Ms. Meng. Will you work with any other agencies, maybe even the Justice Department, to make sure that the look-alike mailers are not being sent out by mail or by social media outlets, via social media? Secretary Ross. As I said, we have been researching but have yet to find where we have the statutory authority to take action to block them. Ms. Meng. I understand, and I appreciate that. I don't know, if you could get back to us with any further actions that your bureau or you might take, I think it would be really helpful and really influential if you or the Bureau could make any public statements dispelling this type of information that is being sent out. I wanted to ask another question, similar topic, about the Census. And as you know and as you have mentioned, it is imperative that everyone, regardless of citizenship, participates. We are trying to think of creative and cost- effective ways for people to participate and to increase involvement. As you may know, in many States, including my home State of New York, when people participate in elections, when they go vote, they get a cute voting sticker that says ``I voted,'' and they pass it out to voters at polling stations, and people of all parties, you know, wear this as a point of pride and wear it all day and all week even. And this hopefully motivates others to vote as well. I was wondering if there was a similar idea that could be applied, such as a sticker, for example, for the purposes of the 2020 Census for people who are filling out the Census to encourage others. Secretary Ross. Well, we have done--one of the most undercounted and hard to count groups, are infants that are born during the calendar year prior to the Census date. So we have started a program of little hats to go to the babies about the Census. So that has been one way we have been trying to deal quite specifically with a severely undercounted part of the population. Ms. Meng. Thank you. I would love to work with you on potential ideas after that as well. Secretary Ross. Thank you. Ms. Meng. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Serrano. Mrs. Lawrence. Mrs. Lawrence. Yes. Secretary, I just want to continue on that line of questioning about the flier that was circulated, and the last time I talked about some, they talked about rumors. I have a copy of it, and I just want to read what is said. It says, ``2020 Congressional District Census,'' and it says: ``Your participation is urgently needed as a key facet of our overall strategy to ensure President Trump and Republican candidates are re-elected. The Republican Party is conducting a Census of key members and supporters in congressional districts across the countries. The opinions registered in this document will be used to build and expand our national grassroots operation that will show that President Trump has the support of the American people to continue to move forward and act on critical issues facing our country.'' I find it very challenging that, in your position as the Secretary that you have no communication or authority to have a conversation, I do believe you have staff meetings, to say that the party that you are affiliated with allegedly--it asks things like: How do you identify yourself? Do you think that President Trump is leading our country? And it says: You have been selected to represent voters and respond by a certain date, and please answer these questions to the best of your ability. This to me is horrible when we are all nonpartisan committed to an accurate count. And I campaign as well as anyone else, but this is unacceptable. And for you to say as the Secretary of Commerce that you really don't have any influence and you haven't taken steps to stop this is very troubling. I have a question for you. The development of 5G technology, U.S. leadership in 5G is very important. And I am concerned that the Chinese are playing a big role in global standard setting process for these new technologies. However, I have also been told that U.S. companies are actually scaling back their participation at global meetings, apparently due to the Commerce Department export control rules that say that our companies cannot participate in technology meetings if Huawei is attending. It seems to be defeating the purpose of maintaining our leadership. Can you please address that? And is that true? Secretary Ross. Yes. We issued quite a while ago a directive, a policy directive, clarifying that people can participate in international standard organization conferences. We are putting out a further one very shortly because some people apparently did not quite understand the original directive. Mrs. Lawrence. OK. Secretary Ross. But we are actually encouraging people to participate, but as to Huawei, I think my views on Huawei are pretty well known. So I am certainly not a co-conspirator of Huawei. Mrs. Lawrence. I understand that but we have to have a seat at the table, and I hope that you clarify that. My last question for you, sir, is last year I introduced H.R. 153. That is the resolution supporting the guidelines for ethical development of artificial intelligence. While I commend the administration's request of a total of $1.1 billion in nondefense AI research, that number is far lower than what needs to be done. For context, the Chinese government has spent over $8 billion in 2018. We need to ensure that the President's focus on AI does not come at the deterrent of other research. This technology is going to be transformational in how we do business. How can we expect the United States to remain competitive with countries like China when we don't take a holistic approach to investment and R&D? Secretary Ross. Well, I think the administration is very keenly interested in promoting artificial intelligence as a research activity and NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which is part of commerce, has long been--had AI as a very big strategic priority. Our purpose is to develop the foundation for confidence and trust in AI that results in expanded commercial marketplace and new research outcomes. The President's budget provides an increase of $25 million for measurement tools and test beds to accelerate the development and adoption of interoperable secure and reliable AI---- Mrs. Lawrence. Is that enough to make us competitive with China, who is spending $8 billion? Secretary Ross. Well, we are doing what we can do. There also are initiatives at the White House Office of Science and Technology. There are other administration-wide initiatives. But at the end of the day, the vast bulk of this work is, in fact, being done by the private sector. Mrs. Lawrence. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. Mr. Secretary, later this week individuals across the U.S. will start receiving invitations to respond to the Census, using its first ever online option, on My2020census.gov. We will obviously be watching this closely in the upcoming months, especially in the light of the recent change from an external to internal system to ensure it can handle a very large number of online responses at any one time. While I am hopeful that everything goes smoothly, I want to make sure I understand the plans for if things don't. Can you explain what the contingency plan is if both online systems fail? Will we need to rush and hire more enumerators, increase the number of mailings? What is the plan? Secretary Ross. Well, first of all, Chairman, we have two online systems. So they both would have to fail, and they both have redundancy built in because they are cloud-based systems. So the probability of all of that collapsing and staying down for an extended period is hopefully very, very low. Second, as I believe I mentioned earlier, we have a fusion center and a crisis management committee. The fusion center operates 24/7, monitors weather events, monitors all sorts of news events at every single location in the country that we have any relevance to, and it makes recommendations at least daily to the crisis management team. So we have a structural situation that seems as well equipped as we can to deal with it. In terms of fallback position, we deliberately overprinted the questionnaires, the Census questionnaires, by quite a lot of millions of units so that if we were in some particular region or elsewhere and need for more forms to go out, that at least we have the forms. So we have been trying to be, within the normal bounds, equipped to deal with crises. It is not practical to reprint the whole--all of the Census forms. As you can appreciate, that is hundreds of millions of documents. It is the world's largest printing job. So we do not have 100 percent coverage, but we have very substantial coverage. Mr. Serrano. So you are confident that there are fallback positions and that, as you said, it would have to have two systems to fail, but we have seen where hacking and other things or just malfunctions can create havoc. So it is very important for this committee to know, at the minimum, that you feel confident that it is not going to happen or if it happens it can be taken care of. Secretary Ross. I do, and the reason I could do is that we have worked with all of the relevant cyber security agencies within Federal Government, and we have also used outside contractors to try to penetrate the system, and whatever flaws they found, we have corrected. So we are doing the best we can. In today's world, nobody can give a 100 percent assurance that we won't be hacked, but I believe we have at least as effective a protective system as anyone. The data are coded from the moment we get it, while it is in transit, and while it is at risk. There are multiple layers that people need to get through to access the data, and the access of individuals is extremely limited and those individuals who do have any access are part of the group that has taken a lifetime oath not to let anything be revealed on individual data. So we have done everything that we can think of to deal with that problem and, to the degree that there are incursions that are successful, we will deal with those on the spot, and we are prepared to deal with them 24/7. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. Mr. Secretary, I would like to ask about the Office of Space Commerce. My understanding is that this office is currently reporting directly to your office. Is that correct? Secretary Ross. Yes, that is correct, sir. Mr. Serrano. Mr. Secretary, your request to make this operational realignment last year was blocked by language which was carried in both the House and Senate appropriations reports. So can you explain to me why you have contravened explicit congressional direction? I mean, it was clear that that is not what we wanted. Secretary Ross. We have complied with the congressional direction. The specific direction was that we retain NAPA, an outside agency, to conduct a survey as to where the Office of Space Commerce should be located. The Congress appropriated $1.1 million for that purpose. I am happy to report we were able to negotiate the contract down to about $880,000. The contract has been signed, and NAPA is at work. Mr. Serrano. My understanding is that you are correct in what you say, except we have put language in saying: Do not move. Do not make these moves until the report is in. Secretary Ross. We have not moved it yet, sir. That has not been moved. Mr. Serrano. They should be reporting to the NOAA administrator. Secretary Ross. I am sorry? Mr. Serrano. They should be reporting to the NOAA administrator. You are saying they are reporting to you. Secretary Ross. I think we have reported, have we not? Yeah. Mr. Serrano. Well, that is not what we are hearing from NOAA. So maybe you can talk to NOAA and find out why we are getting conflicting information because---- Secretary Ross. What is the information you are getting from NOAA, sir? Mr. Serrano. That they are reporting directly to you. Secretary Ross. No. I interact with them, but we have not moved them, nor have we raised the budget, and we look forward to continuing to work with the authorizers and appropriations in hope that we will achieve our goal of moving the office and elevating it to the secretarial level. Mr. Serrano. Well, then, in that case, I would hope that you can reach out to them and find out why we are getting this contradictory information. Secretary Ross. We will talk again with NOAA today, but whoever has told you that it has been moved is incorrect. Mr. Serrano. All right. Thank you. Mr. Aderholt. Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Secretary, in my opening statement, I mentioned the devastating affect that tornadoes have had on the Southeast, and in truth I mentioned Alabama and Tennessee. This budget proposes a $3.2 million increase to establish a tornado warning improvement and extension program to improve the accuracy and timelines of tornado forecasts, predictions, and warnings. However, I am concerned that this increase is more than offset by a $5 million termination of the Vortex Southeast Program and the $1 million reduction of the tornado severe storm research line. My question to you is, has Vortex Southeast Program accomplished what it set out to do, or is there more still to be done? Secretary Ross. Well, the Vortex Southeast Program has been a success. We are very happy with it. The physical science work of former past Vortex SE field campaigns will feed into NOAA's new tornado program, which is called Tornado Warning Improvement and Extension Program, TWIEP, and that is codified in the bipartisan Weather Act. TWIEP and Vortex Southeast are distinct but complementary programs. TWIEP evaluates model improvements, probabilistic guidance products, and the changes in the warning process and in the technologies to get the information out to the public. Vortex SE studies the characteristics of tornadoes that typically occur in the southeastern United States and the public response issues that they encounter with the significant rural and vulnerable population. Mr. Aderholt. If Congress were to restore the Vortex Southeast Program for fiscal year 2021, would it still, as you mentioned, complement this new Tornado Warning Improvement and Extension Program, or are the two programs in conflict and we would have to choose one or the other? Secretary Ross. I think we have learned the lessons that we need to learn from the vortex program, but at the end of the day, it is you fellows who decide where we spend the monies. So we would obviously follow your guidance. Mr. Aderholt. NEXRAD is a primary tool that is used by NOAA's meteorologists for issuing warnings for flash floods, for tornadoes, and for severe thunderstorms. Though the system is nearing the end of its life. According to NOAA's budget request, the Federal Government is still 20 years away from full deployment of the next generation of weather radar design, and yet this budget proposes to reduce maintenance by $1 million and the Service Life Extension Program by $550,000, which will reduce NEXRAD's operational building from 96 percent down to 81 percent by 2025. What is the rationale for cutting back on this critical radar network when we are still 20 years away from fully deploying its replacement. Secretary Ross. Yes, sir. The $550,000 decrease for the Service Life Extension program, SLEP, is a plan decrease that reflects the award of major contracts on the pedestal and shelter refurbishments and the generator replacement projects that are now in deployment. NEXRAD SLEP is a multiyear effort that began in 2015 and will be completed in 2024. The SLEP will extend the useful life of the NEXRAD array by approximately 15 years. At the same time, NOAA continues to pursue research into its next-generation weather radar systems, including the phased array Radar Program. The million dollar maintenance decrease will result in deferring some routine maintenance and repair of certain components of NOAA's NEXRAD radars; namely, the radome and tower maintenance service. But in 2021, the operational ability will remain at 93 percent. So it is at a pretty high level of effectiveness. Mr. Aderholt. Yeah. And what we are concerned, I guess, with is if you look toward 2025, that there would be a decrease down to 81 percent. Let me go, continue on. We have come certainly a long way with weather forecasting, but we all know there is significant room for improvement. Currently, the United States is not the world leader in weather forecasting, but I understand that, with recent procurement of additional super computers and with the EPIC, which is the Earth Prediction Innovation Center, that with the EPIC initiative, we are positioned to significantly increase our capabilities in the coming years. Can you talk to us about where the U.S. is headed with its weather forecasting capabilities and how this fiscal 2021 budget is critical to helping us get there? Secretary Ross. Surely, sir. The bipartisan Weather Act provides NOAA with the path forward on how to reclaim international leadership in weather forecasting. I thank you for supporting that legislation because implementing the Weather Act is a top priority for NOAA. The fiscal 2021 budget provides funding for a number of Weather Act mandates, including the Earth Prediction Innovation Center at $15 million. That is the EPIC to which you referred. And that will transform how NOAA collaborates with the weather enterprise on forecast improvements. The fiscal 2021 budget request also supports a new Tornado Warning Improvement and Extension Program, TWIEP, which will advance NOAA's tornado observing systems, thunderstorm scale computer models, and risk communication approaches. Finally, the fiscal year 2021 budget expands NOAA's Commercial Weather Data Pilot Project and Commercial Data Purchase Program. These programs will allow NOAA to test cutting-edge technologies from the private sector and, if suitable, purchase them to further improve our weather forecast accuracy. Mr. Aderholt. Thank you. My time has run out. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Secretary Ross. Mr. Chairman, we have been going now for an hour and a half. May we take a short break? Mr. Serrano. Yes. Secretary Ross. Unless it is a just a little bit more to go. Mr. Cartwright. I only have a few minutes. Secretary Ross. Let's just go. Mr. Serrano. We have only a few members, and they claim they only have a few, and I accept that so---- Secretary Ross. All right. Well, then I will try my best to hold out. Mr. Serrano. They state--I am sorry. Not they claim, they state. Mr. Cartwright. Mr. Cartwright. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Secretary Ross, you were asked by my colleague, Congresswoman Meng about this 2020 congressional district Census that turned out to be a survey sent out by the Republican National Committee. Do you recall those questions Ms. Meng had for you. Secretary Ross. Yes, sir. Mr. Cartwright. I would like unanimous consent to enter this misleading survey into the record. Mr. Serrano. Without objection. Mr. Cartwright. OK. Now, there is a difference though, Mr. Secretary, between this survey, which is printed out on copy paper so it is a white. The one that was sent to people was on blue paper. Were you aware of that? Secretary Ross. I have not seen the one that was sent. Mr. Cartwright. The Census itself is on blue paper. Am I correct in that? Secretary Ross. Yes, yes. Mr. Cartwright. So this was something that was made, deliberately made, to look like the Census. In fact, it says ``2020 Congressional District Census'' on the paper. So the idea is this is deliberately made to look like the Census and make people think it is the Census, and the idea is that it will mislead people. And you understand that, Secretary Ross, it will mislead elderly and/or infirm people into thinking that they have already received the Census and responded to it and so mislead them into declining to respond to the actual Census when it comes later. You understand all of that, right? Secretary Ross. To the degree that were proven to be the case, we would then go the nonresponse followup; namely, a person coming around door to door to explain, and preceding that, there would be additional mailings from us to the people. Mr. Cartwright. Well, you are the head of the Census, Secretary Ross. Is that correct? Secretary Ross. Well, I am the head of Commerce to which Census is a part. Mr. Cartwright. And you are absolutely committed, are you not, to the accuracy of this Census count? Secretary Ross. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Mr. Cartwright. So you would be highly atoned to any kind of scams or falsehoods or misleading mailers of this nature, wouldn't you? Secretary Ross. Well, as I mentioned to the Senate last week when asked a similar question, I have directed the staff at Census to review the information and provide their recommendations. And once that review has been completed, I will be happy to report back to the committee. Mr. Cartwright. You found out about this, this Census survey, from the RNC before today, didn't you? Secretary Ross. Yes. I learned about it a little bit ago. Mr. Cartwright. OK. How did you find out about it? Secretary Ross. Someone raised it with me. I don't recall who. Mr. Cartwright. There was an article on the whole thing in the Los Angeles Times dated February 20 of this year. Did you see that article? Secretary Ross. No. I am not a normal reader of the L.A. Times, sir. Mr. Cartwright. But you are a reader of everything that has to do with the Census, aren't you? Secretary Ross. I try to be, but you would be amazed how much written material there is about it nowadays. Mr. Cartwright. Your testimony today was you haven't done anything about this mailer because you are lacking statutory authority to do that. Is that what you said? Secretary Ross. No. What I said was, as I mentioned to the Senate last week, I have directed the career staff at Census to see what, if anything, there is we can do about it. Mr. Cartwright. Earlier today you said you couldn't find any statutory authority to follow up. What did you mean? Secretary Ross. That is correct. We have not found it as yet. Mr. Cartwright. Well, when you mislead somebody with a mailer, that is called mail fraud. Isn't it? Secretary Ross. That is a legal judgment, sir, I am not qualified to make. Mr. Cartwright. No, but lawyers are. And have you made a referral of this matter to the Justice Department for their review? Secretary Ross. No, I have not. I have asked the Census staff to figure out what, if anything, we can or should do about it. Mr. Cartwright. When did you ask them that? Secretary Ross. Some days ago. Mr. Cartwright. This isn't the first time the RNC did this kind of thing. After the last Decennial Census in 2010, they did the same sort of thing, and our colleague, Carolyn Maloney from New York filed a bill to make that illegal, and that bill passed. That is the law. And the question is--and it passed on a bipartisan basis, Secretary Ross. So my question is, have you done anything to see if that law applies to this mailer? Secretary Ross. As I said, I have asked the staff to review the question. I am not intimately familiar with that law myself. Mr. Cartwright. I yield back, Mr. Chair. Mr. Serrano. Ms. Meng. Ms. Meng. Thank you. I wanted to ask about a different topic. A new rule shifts responsibility from the State Department to your department for making decisions about whether or not a company will get a license to post the computer code that enables the 3-D printing of firearms on the internet. Your department will now soon be responsible for deciding whether downloadable 3-D printed guns could become widely available. The first question, do you believe that allowing the blueprints of 3-D printed guns to be available on the internet is in our Nation's best safety and security interests? Secretary Ross. The commerce rules were not enjoined by the litigation in the court. The BIS has posted guidance to license applications on its website, and I would direct you there. I am afraid I can't comment further due to the fact this is in continuing litigation. Ms. Meng. You can't answer any questions about your department? Secretary Ross. About the litigation, no, ma'am. Ms. Meng. OK. Do you recognize the danger of 3-D printed guns in general? It doesn't have to be in relation to your department. Secretary Ross. Yes, as I mentioned, we have provided advice, and the advice is that licenses would have to be applied for. As I understand it, that has not been enjoined by the court. Ms. Meng. Do you know that 30 percent of all guns that have been retrieved in California, for example, are ghost guns? Secretary Ross. I am sorry, I couldn't hear. Ms. Meng. 30 percent of all guns that are retrieved in the state of California are ghost guns. Do you know that? Secretary Ross. That could well be. Is there a question in that, ma'am? Ms. Meng. No. I just asked you yes or no. Secretary Ross. Oh. Ms. Meng. Do you know that the State Department has previously said that downloadable guns off of the internet could be a national security risk? Secretary Ross. Yes, I am aware of that. Ms. Meng. Do you know that certain 3-D printed guns could easily pass through metal detectors without any alarms? Secretary Ross. Well, 3-D gun publication plans has not been relieved of an obligation to license. There has been no deregulation of it. The licensing requirement stands, as it has been. Ms. Meng. Correct. I am just asking if you realize that 3-D guns could--because they are made of plastic could easily pass through metal detectors without setting off any alarms. Secretary Ross. Sure? Ms. Meng. And do you agree--do you know that no background checks could be detected because of the needed parts to make 3- D guns? Secretary Ross. As I said, there is no change in the licensing procedures from what had been before. Ms. Meng. So I wanted to, in line with that, there was a man named Cody Wilson who was at the forefront of the downloadable gun movement. He is a self-described anarchist looking to make 3-D guns available to anyone with an internet connection. Last September, he was sentenced to 7 years of probation after he pled guilty to injuring a child following accusations that he sexually assaulted a 16-year-old girl. He was required to register as a sex offender. Do you support allowing sexual offenders to have gun licenses? Secretary Ross. I think that we have to consider all behavior patterns in deciding whether or not to give a license, and that would certainly be something that one would view with great severity. Ms. Meng. Would I be able to get you and the Commerce Department to commit to not issuing a license to this sex offender or anyone else seeking to post downloadable gun computer codes online? Secretary Ross. Well, we, as I say, are not changing anything to do with the licensing procedure. We have no intention--assuming that the litigation is resolved, we have no intention of weakening any of the provisions. Ms. Meng. OK. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Serrano. Mrs. Lawrence. Mrs. Lawrence. Yes, Mr. Secretary, and I hope this will be the last question. But I wanted to give you some information. The RNC attempted to do the same mailer in 2010. Congress passed, on a bipartisan basis--as a matter of fact, it was 416 to zero--The Prevent Deceptive Census Look Alike Mailing Act to prohibit mailers that could cause Americans to believe that they had already filled out the Census. Again, the DNC modified the mailer to bypass the law and the action again drew bipartisan rebuke. Former Representative Jason Chaffetz, a chairman of the Oversight Committee, sent a letter to the chairman of the RNC urging, and I quote: I write today to ask you to seriously reconsider the use of such deceptive and misleading tactics. Simply put, the RNC should not invoke the Official U.S. Census as a means to confuse and deceive recipients of the mailer and to opening it, thinking that they are complying with their civic duty. Then the Ranking Member, Darrell Issa introduced legislation to clarify the emphasis in which the term ``Census'' can apply on mailers. Just as before, this legislation passed unanimously through both Chambers and was signed into law. So, again, I am challenged with how you have this disconnection and you are just looking at it when we have laws on the books and the Republican Party itself has led the legislation to stop this behavior, yet again, 10 years later, here we are using the same tactics. So, Secretary Ross, there are some things that, if you are challenged and don't know what to do with it. There is the Postal Inspection Service, who can investigate based on law. And it is also the Department of Justice because we have law to regulate this. And for you as the Secretary to just kind of like ``I don't know what to do; we are looking into it,'' have your department research law. Thank you. Secretary Ross. Well, we do not believe we have the statutory authority. If it is the case that the Postal Service does or DOJ does, then they are the appropriate parties to enforce. We don't have, as far as we can tell, the unilateral enforcement authority. Mrs. Lawrence. So, Mr. Ross, if another group just makes up a Census form, starts knocking on doors, going door to door, you would say, ``I have no jurisdiction over that, yes, I know other groups are out there, it is not my responsibility,'' is what I am hearing? Secretary Ross. We lack the authority. Mrs. Lawrence. But you have law on the books. Secretary Ross. Well, if there is a law on the books, then those people who are charged with enforcing it are the ones who should enforce it. Mr. Cartwright. Have you recommended that they enforce the law? Secretary Ross. We do not have the enforcement---- Mr. Cartwright. Did you recommend to those who have the authority to enforce the law? Secretary Ross. I think they should do what their legal counsel tells them they are obliged to do under the law. Mrs. Lawrence. Mr. Secretary, I just want you to know that I just find those answers to be confusing and unacceptable because the Census we have allocated over and for 2020 $6.7 billion to conduct the Census. That is our taxpayer dollars and, you know, you have given your answers, but I find them unacceptable. Thank you. Secretary Ross. I am sorry, but we don't have the authority to do some of the things that you might like us to do. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. Mr. Secretary, before we close, let me just tell you that this committee, as you can see, is very much interested in how we conduct the Census, and it is very hard around here, almost impossible to get a bipartisan bill passed with no opposition. And that bill was clear that these kind of behaviors were not to be accepted. So who enforces it, I think it behooves you and other people in the administration to find out from each other who enforces it so it doesn't happen again, we can deal with what is happening right now, please. And I thank you for your testimony today. There will be more questions for the record. In a friendly way, I ask you to please consider answering those questions much sooner than last year's questions we just got answered 4 days ago because we are cutting the hearing at this point, but the questions are still important to us and we need the answers. Secretary Ross. Thank you, sir. Mr. Serrano. Thank you. And thank you and the subcommittee is adjourned.