[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] EXAMINING THE RACIAL AND GENDER WEALTH GAP IN AMERICA ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION OF THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL SERVICES U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ---------- SEPTEMBER 24, 2019 ---------- Printed for the use of the Committee on Financial Services Serial No. 116-51 [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 42-351 PDF WASHINGTON : 2020 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOUSE COMMITTEE ON FINANCIAL SERVICES MAXINE WATERS, California, Chairwoman CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York PATRICK McHENRY, North Carolina, NYDIA M. VELAZQUEZ, New York Ranking Member BRAD SHERMAN, California PETER T. KING, New York GREGORY W. MEEKS, New York FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri BILL POSEY, Florida DAVID SCOTT, Georgia BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri AL GREEN, Texas BILL HUIZENGA, Michigan EMANUEL CLEAVER, Missouri SEAN P. DUFFY, Wisconsin ED PERLMUTTER, Colorado STEVE STIVERS, Ohio JIM A. HIMES, Connecticut ANN WAGNER, Missouri BILL FOSTER, Illinois ANDY BARR, Kentucky JOYCE BEATTY, Ohio SCOTT TIPTON, Colorado DENNY HECK, Washington ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas JUAN VARGAS, California FRENCH HILL, Arkansas JOSH GOTTHEIMER, New Jersey TOM EMMER, Minnesota VICENTE GONZALEZ, Texas LEE M. ZELDIN, New York AL LAWSON, Florida BARRY LOUDERMILK, Georgia MICHAEL SAN NICOLAS, Guam ALEXANDER X. MOONEY, West Virginia RASHIDA TLAIB, Michigan WARREN DAVIDSON, Ohio KATIE PORTER, California TED BUDD, North Carolina CINDY AXNE, Iowa DAVID KUSTOFF, Tennessee SEAN CASTEN, Illinois TREY HOLLINGSWORTH, Indiana AYANNA PRESSLEY, Massachusetts ANTHONY GONZALEZ, Ohio BEN McADAMS, Utah JOHN ROSE, Tennessee ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, New York BRYAN STEIL, Wisconsin JENNIFER WEXTON, Virginia LANCE GOODEN, Texas STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts DENVER RIGGLEMAN, Virginia TULSI GABBARD, Hawaii ALMA ADAMS, North Carolina MADELEINE DEAN, Pennsylvania JESUS ``CHUY'' GARCIA, Illinois SYLVIA GARCIA, Texas DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota Charla Ouertatani, Staff Director Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion JOYCE BEATTY, Ohio, Chairwoman WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri ANN WAGNER, Missouri, Ranking AL GREEN, Texas Member JOSH GOTTHEIMER, New Jersey FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma VICENTE GONZALEZ, Texas ALEXANDER X. MOONEY, West Virginia AL LAWSON, Florida TED BUDD, North Carolina AYANNA PRESSLEY, Massachusetts DAVID KUSTOFF, Tennessee TULSI GABBARD, Hawaii TREY HOLLINGSWORTH, Indiana ALMA ADAMS, North Carolina ANTHONY GONZALEZ, Ohio, Vice MADELEINE DEAN, Pennsylvania Ranking Member SYLVIA GARCIA, Texas BRYAN STEIL, Wisconsin DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota LANCE GOODEN, Texas C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Hearing held on: September 24, 2019........................................... 1 Appendix: September 24, 2019........................................... 31 WITNESSES Tuesday, September 24, 2019 Asante-Muhammad, Dedrick, Chief of Race, Wealth, and Community, National Community Reinvestment Coalition (NCRC)............... 6 Cook, Lisa, Professor of Economics, Michigan State University.... 11 Kijakazi, Kilolo, Institute Fellow, Urban Institute.............. 5 Krawcheck, Sally, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Ellevest....................................................... 9 Pyle, Mariko Chang, Researcher, Author, and President, Mariko Chang Consulting, Inc.......................................... 8 APPENDIX Prepared statements: Asante-Muhammad, Dedrick..................................... 32 Cook, Lisa................................................... 94 Kijakazi, Kilolo............................................. 105 Krawcheck, Sally,............................................ 117 Pyle, Mariko Chang........................................... 34 Additional Material Submitted for the Record Beatty, Hon. Joyce: Written statement of the Asset Funders Network............... 121 Written statement of the Chenoa Fund......................... 211 Report of the Closing the Women's Wealth Gap Initiative...... 273 Written statement of Compass Working Capital................. 308 Written statement of FreeFrom................................ 318 Written statement of Inclusiv................................ 321 Report of the Institute for Women's Policy Research.......... 332 Written statement of the National Coalition of Asian Pacific American Community Development............................. 422 Written statement of the National Women's Law Center......... 425 Article from The New York Times.............................. 433 Written statement of the Ohio Women's Policy Network......... 444 Written statement of the Pew Research Center................. 449 Written statement of PL+US................................... 457 Written statement of Prosperity Now.......................... 529 ``Ten Solutions to Bridge the Racial Wealth Divide''......... 535 Written statement of Uber.................................... 571 Written statement of UnidosUS................................ 576 Written statement of the Women's Fund........................ 581 EXAMINING THE RACIAL AND GENDER WEALTH GAP IN AMERICA ---------- Tuesday, September 24, 2019 U.S. House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion, Committee on Financial Services, Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:07 p.m., in room 2128, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Joyce Beatty [chairwoman of the subcommittee] presiding. Members present: Representatives Beatty, Clay, Green, Gottheimer, Gonzalez of Texas, Pressley, Adams, Dean, Garcia of Texas, Phillips; Wagner, Kustoff, Hollingsworth, Gonzalez of Ohio, Steil, and Gooden. Ex officio present: Representatives Waters and McHenry. Chairwoman Beatty. The Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion will come to order. Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess of the subcommittee at any time. Also, without objection, members of the full Financial Services Committee who are not members of this subcommittee are authorized to participate in today's hearing. Today's hearing is entitled, ``Examining the Racial and Gender Wealth Gap in America.'' I now recognize myself for 4 minutes to give an opening statement. Today's hearing is centered around a critical mission of why this subcommittee exists. The racial and gender wealth gap is real, unacceptable, and actually much larger than people think. True wealth can be defined by adding up total assets including cash, retirement accounts, or your home, and then subtracting liabilities such as credit card debt, student loans, and mortgages, to reach your net worth. But according to the United States Census Bureau, the median net worth of white households was $130,800, while the median net worth of Latino households was $17,530, and for Black households, it was $9,590. For nearly all working families, the most powerful wealth- building tools are homeownership and retirement savings. However, due to structural racism, redlining practices, outright discrimination, disparities, and the list goes on, along with predatory lending practices that disproportionately affect women and communities of color, it has been more difficult for certain families to actually build wealth across multiple generations. There is always talk about disparities in income between women and people of color as compared to their white peers, but socioeconomic differences do not explain away racial inequities. Today's reality is that the homeownership rate for Black households today is the same as it was in 1967, when race-based discrimination in housing was legal and did not happen by accident. And we have all heard those stories. Racial and gender inequities are not caused by individual behavior, but steeped in systems and policies that perpetuate past injustices. This subcommittee was founded to help leaders and Members of Congress confront the reality that our systems, our institutions, and our outcomes emanate from an unjust hierarchy on which the United States was built. According to Richard Rothstein, who authored, ``The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America,'' ``We have created a caste system in this country with African Americans kept exploited and geographically separated by racial explicit government policies, and although most of these policies are now off the books, they have never been remedied and their effects endure.'' So, for that reason, I am proud to have today's hearing to help identify an underlying issue that perpetuates the racial and gender wealth divide, and to help set the stage for bold, comprehensive solutions to this pressing problem facing the nation. Barriers to wealth accumulation remain a growing issue facing our communities, in particular my constituents in the Third Congressional District of Ohio, and the nation at large. There is no one size that fits all. And I call on my colleagues within this committee to give this topic the full attention it deserves and to work together to implement multifaceted Federal policy solutions. I reserve the balance of my time for the Chair of the full Financial Services Committee, Chairwoman Maxine Waters. The Chair now recognizes the ranking member of ther subcommittee, Congresswoman Ann Wagner, for 5 minutes for her opening statement Mrs. Wagner. Madam Chairwoman, thank you so much for putting together this hearing today. It is a critical hearing as we direct congressional efforts towards addressing the racial and gender pay and wealth gaps. In 1976, one in twenty women were the sole breadwinners in their households. By 2013, it was one in four. And today, women are the breadwinner or co-breadwinner in nearly two-thirds of families with children. Given these substantial gains in the percentage of women participating in the workforce and growing our economy, we must ensure that women have equal access to opportunities to support their families, save for the future, and build assets. The good news is that we have seen a tremendous improvement in how women are compensated in the past few decades. A 2018 pay scale study--which I would ask, Madam Chairwoman, that we submit for the record-- Chairwoman Beatty. Without objection, it is so ordered. Mrs. Wagner. --comparing men and women with similar experience, industry and job level, found that women actually receive 98 cents for every dollar earned by men. This is fantastic progress. But there is still much to be done, particularly in addressing the wealth gap and the managers gap and ensuring that the American workforce is more flexible and family-friendly so that mothers can participate without facing unnecessary hurdles or sacrificing the well-being of their children, America's next generation. As a working woman, I worked before, during, and after I had my children. I have always been a passionate defender of equal pay for equal work. And in order to close the pay gap and empower more women and people of color to be leaders in our workforce, I am a proud cosponsor of H.R. 1935, the Wage Equity Act. This legislation would empower employees to utilize flexible work arrangements, proactively incentivize businesses to fix pay disparities, protect individuals in negotiating employment based upon merit, not salary history, target negotiation education for women, and protect employees in discussing their compensation with their colleagues. In 2017, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that women are underrepresented in the financial services industry, especially in management. In this industry, mathematicians, engineers, and physicists work alongside financiers and economists, but women receive far fewer degrees in math, statistics, computer science, and engineering, compared to men. The underrepresentation of women and minorities in well-paid Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) careers is one of the underlying causes of the wealth gap. Creating greater diversity in STEM education and doing it at an early age is critical, not only for improving opportunities for women and minorities in finance, but across all workforce sectors. It is key to sustaining robust economic growth in the United States. That is why I sent a letter yesterday to the GAO--which I would like to submit for the record, Madam Chairwoman-- Chairwoman Beatty. Without objection, it is so ordered. Mrs. Wagner. --requesting a study to assess how firms are supporting increased participation among women in STEM programs at the secondary, undergraduate, and graduate levels, and what best practices firms are using to recruit and retain women with STEM degrees. This study will help us continue to find solutions as we strengthen the U.S. financial services industry. I thank you. And I will now yield the remainder of my time to the ranking member of the full Financial Services Committee, Ranking Member Patrick McHenry from North Carolina. Mr. McHenry. I thank the ranking member, and I thank the chairwoman for holding this subcommittee hearing. This subcommittee's principle is pretty simple: Every American should have full and equal access to the same economic opportunities. The data indicating that there are gender and racial wealth gaps tells us that that is not the case. Financial firms and other companies of all types have recognized the negative consequences of the wealth gaps in this country. Firms are taking proactive steps to address the underlying conditions which result in women and minorities earning less, and thus saving less. Initiatives such as financial literacy training, and changes to family leave and childcare policies, that I have been supportive of, and pushes for higher participation in STEM programs have been effective, but we need to do more. So, thank you for your participation, thank you for your initiatives, and we look forward to a good hearing. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. Today, we welcome the testimony of a very diverse and distinguished panel of five witnesses. Thank you. First, we welcome the testimony of Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, the chief of race, wealth, and community at the National Community Reinvestment Coalition (NCRC). He oversees the NCRC's fair housing, fair lending, and small-business programs. Prior to his role, he was the senior director of the economic department and executive director of the Financial Freedom Center. Second, we welcome the testimony of Kilolo Kijakazi, who is an institute fellow at the Urban Institute. Ms. Kijakazi's research is focused on economic security, structural racism, and the racial wealth gap. She is the author of the book, ``African-American Economic Development and Small Business Ownership.'' She is also an advisor for the Closing the Women's Wealth Gap Initiative, and was a member of the bipartisan Commission on Retirement Security and Personal Savings. Third, we welcome the testimony of Dr. Mariko Pyle, a researcher and independent consultant specializing in external evaluation of grants that seek to increase faculty diversity and bring underrepresented groups into STEM. Dr. Pyle is a national expert on the wealth gap, especially gender and racial dimensions of wealth and equality. She is also a founding member of the Closing the Women's Wealth Gap Initiative, and a member of the Insight Center's Experts of Color Network. Fourth, we welcome the testimony of Sally Krawcheck, who is the Chair of the Ellevest Network, a 135,000-strong global professional women's network. Ms. Krawcheck is the CEO and co- founder of Ellevest, a digitally first mission-driven investment platform for women. Before launching Ellevest, Ms. Krawcheck built a successful career as the CEO of Merrill Lynch, Smith Barney, U.S. Trust, Citi Private Bank, and Sanford C. Bernstein. She was also chief financial officer for Citigroup. And finally, we welcome the testimony of Dr. Lisa Cook, an associate professor in the Department of Economics at the James Madison College at Michigan State University. She served as president of the National Economic Association from 2015 to 2016, and currently serves as co-director of the American Economic Association Summer Training Program. Prior to this academic appointment, and while on the faculty at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, she was also the deputy director for African Research and Programs at the Center for International Development at Harvard University. Wow! The witnesses are reminded that their oral testimony will be limited to 5 minutes. And without objection, your written statements will be made a part of the record. The witnesses are reminded to turn on their microphones and abide by the three lights in front of you: Green means go, yellow means wrap up, and red means stop. We are going to start with Ms. Kijakazi. And you are now recognized for 5 minutes to give an oral presentation of your testimony. STATEMENT OF KILOLO KIJAKAZI, INSTITUTE FELLOW, URBAN INSTITUTE Ms. Kijakazi. Chairwoman Beatty, Ranking Member Wagner, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for inviting me to testify today. The views expressed are my own and should not be attributed to the Urban Institute, its trustees, or its funders. This hearing represents a critical step in work that has been done to bring the racial and gender wealth gaps to national attention. My remarks will focus on three key points. First, the racial wealth gap is not the result of bad financial choices by people of color. It was created through structural racism. Second, to understand and effectively address the racial wealth gap, we need more expansive data collection that is federally funded. Third, the gap can be closed, but it will require bold equitable solutions that focus on policy change, not changing people's behavior. The racial wealth gap is the difference in net worth between families of color and white families. The median wealth of white families in 2016 was 10 times the wealth of Black families, and 8 times the wealth of Latinx families. Research demonstrates that the racial wealth gap was created by policies, programs, and institutional practices designed to facilitate wealth accumulation by white families, while impeding wealth-building by, or stripping wealth from, families of color. These policies include human trafficking and bondage of people of African descent to build wealth for white people, followed by policies that restricted Black home and business ownership, employment, and educational opportunities. Latinx families experienced extensive land loss, especially during the Manifest Destiny period and displacement through deportation thereafter. Native Americans lost much of their land and natural resources through wars, treaties, and forced displacement, including through the Homestead Act. Asian Americans faced special fees, taxes, and regulations that made them less competitive with white people, and Japanese Americans were interned during World War II, losing their freedom and their assets. It was not until 1900 that all States passed legislation allowing women to control their property, and codified labor market discrimination existed into the 1970s. More recently, families of color were targeted for subprime mortgages, even when they qualified for prime loans, resulting in a loss of homeownership and equity. The racial wealth gap persists even when Black families make all of the ``right'' choices. Black people with college degrees have less wealth than white high school dropouts. Black people who work full-time have less wealth than unemployed white people. Two-parent Black families have less wealth than single-parent white families. The Ford Foundation funded the first research that was specifically designed to measure the racial wealth gap and to disaggregate the data not only by race and ethnicity but also by country of origin and Tribal affiliation. But the study was limited to 5 cities, for 1 year. We need federally funded data collected periodically to better understand the drivers of the racial and gender wealth gaps and to inform policymakers. A possible solution is to expand the Federal Reserve Board's Survey of Consumer Finances. The racial and gender wealth gaps are not unsolvable problems, but they require bold, equitable policy solutions to eliminate them. ``Baby bonds'' are a bold solution proposed by Darrick Hamilton that would give all newborns a publicly funded endowment ranging from $500 to $60,000 based on the family's wealth. These bonds would be held by the Federal Government until the child becomes a young adult and can use them to pay for an asset like higher education or a home. One analysis showed that baby bonds nearly closed the racial wealth gap. The cost of baby bonds could be covered by a more equitable use of existing tax expenditures for asset building. Over 70 percent of tax expenditures intended to help families build wealth go to the top 20 percent of income earners. A more equitable use of these tax subsidies would cover the cost of baby bonds. So, in summary, wealth gaps are caused by discriminatory policies and practices. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Kijakazi can be found on page 105 of the appendix.] Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you so much, Ms. Kijakazi. And now, I would like to recognize Mr. Asante-Muhammad for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF DEDRICK ASANTE-MUHAMMAD, CHIEF OF RACE, WEALTH, AND COMMUNITY, NATIONAL COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT COALITION (NCRC) Mr. Asante-Muhammad. Good afternoon, and thank you for inviting me here, as chief of race, wealth, and community at the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, to speak about the racial wealth divide and what must be done to address this critical issue. NCRC was formed in 1990 and has grown into an association of more than 600 community-based organizations that promote access to essential banking services, affordable housing, entrepreneurship, job creation, and vibrant communities for America's working families. Thanks to the groundbreaking work of colleagues like Dr. Kilolo Kijakazi and Dr. Mariko Chang Pyle, there is growing recognition of the ongoing challenge of a deep and too-often growing racial wealth divide. As I often state, the foundation of racial inequality is racial economic inequality, and the foundation of racial economic inequality is racial wealth inequality. As the country's demographics continue to change, the racial wealth divide is no longer primarily a challenge of disenfranchised minorities but rather a threat to the American middle class. As the report, ``Dreams Deferred,'' notes, since the early 1980s, median wealth among Black and Latino families has been stuck at less than $10,000, while white household median wealth grew from about $105,000 to $140,000. In spite of the growth of white wealth, national median wealth has slightly declined from about $84,000 to $82,000, showing how the racial wealth divide is weakening the American middle class as a whole. Similar to the racial wealth divide, there has been ongoing racial inequality for the two largest assets in Americans' wealth portfolio: business ownership, and home ownership. For the last 40 years, Black and Latino homeownership rates have stayed below 50 percent while white homeownership has remained at about 70 percent. In the second quarter of 2019, whites had a homeownership rate of 73 percent, with Latino homeownership at almost 47 percent, and Black homeownership near 41 percent. In regard to business ownership, although 13 percent of the U.S. population is Black, only 10 percent of African Americans are businesses owners, and only 2 percent of businesses with employees are Black-owned. Hispanics comprise 17 percent of the population, but own only 6 percent of small businesses with employees. As was done to jump-start the white American middle class, significant investment capital must be invested to build African-American, Latino, and Native-American wealth. The report, ``Ten Solutions to Bridge the Racial Wealth Divide,'' reviews proposals to bridge racial and economic equality as a whole, and the racial wealth divide in particular. This report was a collaboration between NCRC, the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at the Ohio State University, and the Inequality Project of the Institute for Policy Studies. These proposals include ``baby bonds'', as was previously mentioned, similar to those in Senator Cory Bookers' 2018 bill, the American Opportunity Accounts Act. We also propose a significant investment into affordable housing and homeownership, as exemplified in Senator Elizabeth Warren's American Housing and Economic Mobility Act, and Senator Bernie Sanders' Housing for All plan. Our paper also promotes the passage of H.R. 40, to establish a commission to study and develop reparation proposals for African Americans. Finally, improving data collection on race and wealth is another proposed solution. NCRC strongly advocates for improving data collection in regards to the racial wealth divide, such as the full implementation of Section 1071 of the Dodd-Frank Act, which would require the CFPB to collect and disclose better data on loans made to minority, women-owned, and small businesses. Similarly, NCRC advocates for the provisions of the previously mentioned American Housing and Economic Mobility Act that requires banks be examined where they are making a significant amount of retail loans outside the geographical area of bank branches and leveling the playing field for financial institutions by requiring nonbanks to be examined under the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). Bold policy proposals are needed to address the national crisis of racial wealth inequality, and we thank the House Financial Services Committee's Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion for the opportunity to discuss these necessary reforms. [The prepared statement of Mr. Asante-Muhammad can be found on page 32 of the appendix.] Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you very much. Ms. Pyle, you are now recognized for 5 minutes to give an oral presentation on your testimony. STATEMENT OF MARIKO CHANG PYLE, RESEARCHER, AUTHOR, AND PRESIDENT, MARIKO CHANG CONSULTING, INC. Ms. Pyle. Chairwoman Beatty, Ranking Member Wagner, and members of the subcommittee, my name is Mariko Chang Pyle, and I am a former associate professor of sociology at Harvard University, and I'm currently the president of Mariko Chang Consulting. I appreciate the opportunity to testify about the women's wealth gap. The women's wealth gap not only impacts women, it affects men, families, and especially children. Two-thirds of mothers are the family breadwinners or co-breadwinners. About one quarter of children under age 18 live in a single-mother family. More than ever before, the economic security of families rests on women's shoulders. Data from the 2013 Survey of Consumer Finances, provided by the Federal Reserve Board, revealed a significant wealth gap between single men and women during their prime working ages of 18 to 64. Single men, those who had never been married or were divorced or widowed, had a median wealth of $10,150. In comparison, single women owned $3,210. Expressed as a proportion, single women had 32 cents for every dollar of wealth owned by single men. These gaps remain when we take into consideration other factors that impact wealth such as age, income, and level of education. And the wealth gap is magnified for women of color. Single Black women of prime working age have a median wealth of $200. And for single Hispanic women, it is $100, which amounts to less than a penny of wealth for every dollar owned by their single, white, non-Hispanic male counterparts. Women of all races also experience a motherhood wealth penalty, with mothers possessing only 20 percent as much wealth as fathers. Again, this penalty is much greater for women of color. Black and Hispanic women with children under age 18 have a median wealth of zero, and $50, respectively. In contrast, single white men who are fathers have a median wealth of more than $41,000. While wages no doubt contribute to wealth-building, they are not the sole determinant. To illustrate, never-married women working full-time have almost closed the wage gap, but they have only about one-third as much wealth as never-married men. Closing the wage gap is insufficient for closing the wealth gap for two reasons. The first reason is that women bear a negative economic cost of parenthood. Mothers experience a wage penalty, and women are more likely to be single parents supporting more people on a single income. And two or more people cannot live as cheaply as one. The second reason is that women lack full access to what I have termed the ``wealth escalator.'' The wealth escalator is made up of mechanisms built into our current systems that help people turn their incomes into wealth more quickly. The wealth escalator consists of government benefits, such as Social Security; employer-related fringe benefits, such as paid sick days and contributions to retirement plans; and tax breaks that help people retain wealth. Women, and especially women of color, lack full access to the wealth escalator because of the types of jobs they have, because they engage in caregiving, and because they have lower incomes. Women are also carrying more debt, which further restricts their ability to build wealth. Differential access to the wealth escalator cements other inequities into place, magnifying the impact of the wage gap, the motherhood wealth penalty, and for women of color, the racial wealth gap. To reduce the wealth gap, we need to focus on pay equity, but we must also expand access to the wealth escalator so it is more accessible to those of lower income, and so that caregivers are not penalized. I will give three examples of ways this can be done. First, Social Security reforms could incorporate caregiver credits, so the years spent out of the labor market or working part-time for caregiving do not lower average retirement benefits. Second, access to paid family and medical leave is essential. Third, if asset limits to qualify for public benefits are raised, or if certain types of assets, such as vehicles, are excluded from limits, these assets can help low-income women get back on their feet in times of temporary need rather than becoming an additional barrier to building wealth. In summary, reducing the women's wealth gap is not only about addressing the wage gap. It requires a more comprehensive approach. Doing so is not only good for women, but it is essential for improving the well-being of children, families, and our nation. I appreciate the opportunity to be here, and I welcome your questions. [The prepared statement of Ms. Pyle can be found on page 34 of the appendix.] Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you very much. Ms. Krawcheck, you are now recognized for 5 minutes to give an oral presentation of your testimony. STATEMENT OF SALLY KRAWCHECK, CO-FOUNDER AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ELLEVEST Ms. Krawcheck. Thank you, and good afternoon to everyone. Madam Chairwoman, ranking members, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the invitation to testify on the state of the gender wealth divide in America today. My passion for this topic was the result of a recognition a few years ago that the retirement savings gap, the retirement savings crisis in this country, can be looked at through the lens of gender. Women today live 6 to 8 years longer than men; 75 percent- plus of women die single; and women retire with two-thirds the money of men, and less for women of color. The wealth gap, as noted by this panel, is the result of many things: the gender and racial pay gap; the ``pink tax''; the debt gap; the promotion gap; and the domestic work gap, among others. And I would add another one to it and to your wealth escalator, which is the gender-investing gap, in which women today keep 71 cents out of every dollar of their wealth in cash, more than men do, rather than invest it. There are many structural reasons for this and much data showing this. I would like to address a couple of issues that aren't typically addressed in terms of the investment gap and the money gaps. The first is, in our society today, boys and girls receive different messages about money. They receive them from childhood through adulthood. And so we, the genders, internalize different beliefs about and approaches to money. Research shows that young boys in our households today are told to go out and earn money, become a CEO. They are taught to invest, they see dad invest, and girls are taught to be careful, clip coupons, and save. Boys today receive higher allowances for the same chores as girls, and boys today receive higher grades in math for the same answers as girls. Later in life, as girls grow into young women, we tend to be patronized about money. Articles in women's magazines explain to us why budgeting is hard; websites tell us to take the quiz to see your money type; and entire books are written to guilt women into giving up the latte, with the off-basis premise that giving up these small luxuries will be the key to her financial security. In contrast, young men are told to dare and grow their money. So we women tend to, over the course of our lives, internalize that we are bad with money. In fact, it is today an attractive feminine characteristic in our society to be bad with money as a female. Is it any wonder, then, that we are less confident, and that money today for women is associated with loneliness and stress and isolation, not with power and independence? The second issue relates to the representation of females in the money industry. In my old industry, the industry in which I spent more than 2\1/2\ decades on Wall Street, today: 86 percent of financial advisors are men, overwhelmingly white men; 90 percent of Wall Street traders are men; 90 percent of mutual fund managers are men; and 98 percent of mutual fund assets are managed by men. This, despite the fact that the research tells us that women are as good or better money managers than men. But lest one miss the point, the industry symbol of Wall Street is a bull, a big, snorting, angry, anatomically correct, hypermasculine bull. And it isn't getting any better. Instead, the diversity actually went backwards after the financial crisis. Again, even though research shows that women are as good or better investors, and even though the research points clearly to the superior performance of companies with diverse leadership teams--and by ``superior performance,'' that includes lowering risk, which is something I think would be important for all of us to have done for Wall Street. Given the skew in the industry that serves us all in the money industry, it should perhaps be no surprise that women today invest less than men do. This gender wealth gap is important and is a ripple effect. For example, the power inequity that allows the harassment of the #MeToo movement is also a money inequity. I like to say that the amount of money that women historically could have earned from investing is ``No More #MeToo'' money; get-your- hand-off-my-leg money. And so, getting more money in the hands of women and others is why we founded Ellevest. We built an investing algorithm that works to remove gender bias by adjusting for the fact that women live longer and our salaries peak sooner, and we work to be as accessible as possible, having very low investing minimums to make it accessible for more people. And we are among the most quickly of the digital investment platforms engaging with more money in a positive, nonpatronizing way. Today, many women's primary emotions around money are shame and loneliness, but our research indicates that a key driver of a woman's confidence in achieving her future goals is whether they are actually investing and saving. [The prepared statement of Ms. Krawcheck can be found on page 117 of the appendix.] Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. Dr. Cook, you are now recognized for 5 minutes to give an oral presentation of your testimony. STATEMENT OF LISA COOK, PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS, MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY Ms. Cook. Chairwoman Beatty, Ranking Member Wagner, and eminent members of this subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today about examining the racial and gender wealth gap in America. First, 11 to 1: from the survey of consumer finances, this is the ratio of white median household net worth to Black median household net worth. Second, 31,000 to 1: from the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, Sandy Darity, Darrick Hamilton, and the co-authors of the ``Color of Wealth in Boston'' report, this is the ratio of white median household net worth to Black median household net worth in Boston. Third, 50 to 1: from the Census Annual Survey of Entrepreneurs, this is the number of white to Black entrepreneurs in the United States. In a widely covered speech on income and wealth inequality in 2014, then-Chair of the Federal Reserve, Janet Yellen, identified four pillars of opportunity or building blocks for the gains in income and wealth that most Americans hope are within reach of those who strive for them: resources available for children, including education; affordable higher education; business ownership; and inherited wealth. Given the data on entrepreneurship and net worth, it appears that the pathways to opportunity in America are blocked for many racial and ethnic minorities. What we know from American economic history and current data is that laws, policies, institutions, and practices that impede opportunity have emerged, and these are diminishing their expected outcomes. To quote the opening to the Roosevelt Institute's 2016 report, ``Rewrite the Racial Rules: Building an Inclusive American Economy,'' until economic and social rules work for all, they are not working. In the short time I have left, I would like to illustrate how this works through one of the critical inputs to economic growth, invention and innovation, the focus of my long-term research. Despite major gains in the 1970s, women and African Americans remain underrepresented in the innovation economy. Allow me to start with a few basic facts about the innovation economy. In 2014, the median innovation worker earned $81,000 compared to $36,000 for all workers. In general, innovation economy jobs are growing faster than in other sectors, and employment rates are lower. My research suggests that inequality exists at every stage in the innovation process for women and underrepresented minorities, that is, education, training, and commercialization of invention. I will review each in turn. Education: In 1970, 9 percent of Ph.D.'s in science and engineering fields were awarded to women, and by 2014, it was 41.6 percent. In 1970, 1 percent of all science and engineering Ph.D.s went to African Americans. In 2014, the share that went to African Americans was 3.5 percent. The trends are similar for master's degrees and bachelor's degrees and are comparable through 2014. What is preventing participation in STEM fields? We have some clues. The recent research of economist Dania Francis suggests that Black girls are disproportionately underrecommended for AP calculus classes by math teachers, and we know these classes are the pathways to STEM careers. There is a lot more research that suggests that women in underrepresented minorities (UIRM), are interested in STEM, but are not consistently supported throughout their academic careers. A second stage in participating in the innovation economy is to be actively engaged in invention. Although participation has increased at this critical training stage, in 2015, white women made up only 18 percent of scientists and engineers working in science and engineering occupations; African American women, 2 percent; and African American men, 3 percent. Unemployment for underrepresented minority men at just above 4 percent is higher than for white and Asian men, and higher than the average for all scientists and engineers. The unemployment rate for African American women is higher than the unemployment rate overall, nearly double that of all scientists and engineers. There are big divides with respect to patenting as well. The third and final stage is the one where wealth is accumulated. Finally, my co-author, Yanyan Yang, and I calculated that U.S. GDP per capita can be 0.6 percent to 4.4 percent higher if more women and African Americans participated at the beginning of the innovation process. [The prepared statement of Dr. Cook can be found on page 94 of the appendix.] Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. And thank you to all of the witnesses. I now yield myself 5 minutes for questions. I am going to try to get through several questions quickly. The first question will go to Dr. Cook, Ms. Krawcheck, and Mr. Asante-Muhammad. Evidence shows that an additional way or pathway to building wealth is through investments and in securities. Yet, Black families are less likely to own stock than white families, partly because Black families have less discretionary income, with little or none to invest. Several of you mentioned my good friend, Darrick Hamilton, and the baby bonds issue. In 2014, President Obama established the My Retirement Accout (myRA) program to help low- and middle-income workers, regardless of color, who don't have access to, let's say, a 401(k) or a pension plan, to start saving for retirement. In 2017, the Trump Administration ended this program. So, to the three of you, how could programs like myRA or other Federal saving programs help families invest comfortably to build a nest egg in the future? Ms. Cook. I would just suggest that this program be reinstituted. It is not exactly my research, but I know the work of Darrick Hamilton and Sandy Darity--I used to be Sandy Darity's research assistant, so I am quite familiar with their research. But I would say that this is urgent because we are starting from so far back that we are talking about Boston with a 30,000-to-1 net worth ratio, it is urgent that programs like this be reinstated. Mr. Asante-Muhammad. And I would add that I think, definitely, programs like myRA should be reinstated. We see the greatest wealth inequality happening in later years, but I think also additional programs--as was mentioned, for example, the baby bonds program--that provide investment opportunity and financial opportunities for people in their young adult lives are also essential. And I will just finally note that--and I do believe that the main challenge around investment for African American and Latino families is not just lack of discretionary income, it is that deep asset poverty. If you are not a homeowner, it is kind of challenging to say, I am going to go invest in stocks, before you have even solidified your household by owning a house. Chairwoman Beatty. Okay. Thank you. Anything you want to add, Ms. Krawcheck? Ms. Krawcheck. Yes, I would agree with all of that. I think more avenues to tax-deferred retirement savings are important, taking care of the finances of the family, credit card debt, existing student loan debt, et cetera, which keep individuals from investing for retirement. What we are trying to do at Ellevest for the private sector is keeping our minimums very low. High investment minimums, by their nature, really are sexist and racist at the end of the day, because if they are the ones who have the money and are able to overcome those high investment minimums, and working to keep it as plain-English, intuitive as possible, as opposed to--it is about reaching one's goals as opposed to buying this mutual fund or that stock. Chairwoman Beatty. And let me say, thank you. Earlier, we were having a conversation, talking about disparities, and we were talking about algorithms. And it was quite interesting that I told the story, as an African-American female, that when I stick my hands under the water fountain, that is based on people being in trials, 9 out of 10 times the water does not come on, and somebody next to me will put their hands under there and the water would come on. And so, when we talk about oftentimes people watching want to know, why do we always talk about race and ethnicity so much when we talk about disparities? And you finished the story for me. Do you want to say what you said with-- Ms. Krawcheck. What we were talking about earlier is just so much medical research was done on a white male's heart attack, and crash dummies are built in the image of a male, so, the investing industry, probably not surprisingly, is an industry that has really been built by and for men. It is probably no surprise that so much about investing reminds you of sports, buying low, selling high, et cetera. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. My last question, because the time is--and Ms. Kijakazi and Ms. Pyle, we have a lot of young people sitting in the audience today. And so, when I think about the future and I think about debt, I can't help but think about the student loan debt. Can you share how that affects young people and millennials, who should be included in wanting to have a prosperous future? Ms. Kijakazi. Debt definitely impacts the ability of a young person to accumulate wealth over their lifetime. African American students are more likely to incur debt, which means that they have to delay when they are going to purchase a home, which means that the rate at which they can accumulate equity in their home is slower than that of white students. It absolutely affects how they can move forward in terms of asset accumulation. So, going back to baby bonds, if they had that kind of endowment at the beginning of their young adulthood, they would be able to invest in higher education without incurring as much, if any, debt, if that is the choice that they made for using their investment. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. My time is up. Ms. Pyle, we may be able to fit you in on someone else's question. But, thank you. I now yield 5 minutes for questioning to the ranking member of the subcommittee, Congresswoman Wagner. Mrs. Wagner. Thank you, Chairwoman Beatty. Studies have shown that when children are introduced to opportunities in different professions at a young age, they are more likely to enter those fields. Dr. Cook, because I know you have done research on this-- and I was stunned to hear about the underrecommended for AP courses for people of color and oftentimes young girls are seeing. What efforts are proactive companies undertaking to increase the number of women and minorities earning degrees in STEM programs? And what more can be done to increase that number, in your estimation? Ms. Cook. Thank you for your question. I happen to be the director of the American Economic Association's summer programs. Economics is a STEM field, and they come to Michigan State University. This is supported by the National Science Foundation. This is intensive mentoring. And it is intensive in the sense that I tell them all the time, ``You belong here.'' Mrs. Wagner. At what age do you start? Ms. Cook. This is for undergraduates. This is to encourage underrepresented minorities to do Ph.D.s in economics. Mrs. Wagner. Okay. Ms. Cook. And one thing they have always been told, many times throughout their educational career, is that they don't belong there. They don't belong in higher-level math courses, they don't belong in economics classes, in econometrics classes, in data science classes, in AI classes, for example. So, a lot of this has to do with mentoring, and that is what I do in this 2-month-long course. And I think most programs that are similar to it have a similar focus. And they also focus on different pathways to these careers. One that I would suggest, in addition to my own, is going to the Lemelson Center for the Study of Invention and Innovation at the National Museum of American History, to Spark!Lab, where children can go through the steps--there are about eight steps related to invention and innovation, and the last thing they do is develop innovation. So I think you are exactly right, in terms of the beginning of your statement. The earlier the exposure--Raj Chetty and his co-authors have work showing that children who are exposed to invention early have much better life outcomes, and they accumulate wealth. There are many outcomes that are better. So, I think that is perceptive. Mrs. Wagner. Thank you. Diversity and inclusion are two distinct but equally important factors with respect to hiring and retaining a diverse workforce. Dr. Cook, research has shown that recruitment efforts are only effective for increasing overall diversity when the company's culture is such that women and minorities want to stay. What strategies have you seen as effective for creating a more inclusive workspace? Ms. Cook. I am glad you asked. I think one of the biggest problems with respect to invention and innovation, if we are just talking about one sector of the economy, is workplace climate. You mentioned making workplaces more friendly for women. I interview entrepreneurs and tech firms every October, and one thing that I find is that women are kept out of a lot of the project management, a lot of the projects, because they have to go home and take care of children, for example. They have household duties. And the men on those teams tell me that they get punished--they see it, and they get punished. It might be implicit, but they get punished for not being there. So changing workplace climate, I think, is critical. Mrs. Wagner. Flexibility is absolutely key, workplace flexibility without there being repercussions because of that. I read your issue brief published in the Washington Center for Equitable Growth in July. And one topic that you discussed related to retention within STEM participation is the peer effects in doctoral STEM programs. You touched on it a little bit and how these efforts can impact whether women graduate within 6 years or potentially leave after the first year of a Ph.D. program. Can you elaborate briefly--we are going to run out of time--on these efforts and how we can improve this retention? Ms. Cook. One key thing with respect to science and engineering programs--and I will include economics in that--is that you can't just admit one woman into each cohort, because what you do is, allow them to be isolated. And if there are no women faculty--and that is true for many economics departments--you don't have the kind of mentorship or even role modeling that you need. So it is not only getting more in; it is getting them seen by others. Mrs. Wagner. It goes back to the whole concept of not just diversity but inclusion and acceptance. I have run out of time, and I have to run to the Floor, Madam Chairwoman, to give a Floor speech. I believe Mr. Gonzalez will be taking my seat, and then I will come back. I have more questions. I yield back. Thank you all very, very much. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you very much. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Missouri, Congressman Clay, who is also the Chair of our Subcommittee on Housing, Community Development, and Insurance. You are now recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. Clay. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, and thank you for holding this hearing. And thank the panelists for your participation today. Let me start with Ms. Pyle. I recently hosted a panel on the racial wealth gap. One of the panelists held the belief that we cannot discuss closing the wealth gap without acknowledging that middle- and upper- class Black families have lost and are still losing wealth due to the segregation and denied benefits of African Americans. What do you think about that, and what are some solutions to amend these actions? Ms. Pyle. I see the racial and the gender wealth gaps as intricately interconnected. They have distinct components, but yet there are very similar structural causes that continue to exacerbate existing inequities. So, I feel that we can't talk about one without talking about the other. Women of color are experiencing both gaps. And actually, I argue that you cannot close the racial wealth gap unless you also close the gender wealth gap. Because women of color are more likely to be single, they are more likely to be raising the next generation, and so the two are intricately related. Mr. Clay. Thank you. Mr. Asante-Muhammad, how do we close the racial wealth gap, in your opinion? Mr. Asante-Muhammad. As mentioned, we helped produce a report entitled, ``Ten Solutions to Bridge the Racial Wealth Divide.'' And I think, what is very helpful in looking at inequality in the frame of wealth is that wealth helps us see the kind of multifaceted aspect, that it is not just getting the person into the right education program; it is not just household composition, because with all of these things, we still see deep wealth inequality. And that is because, again, wealth is an economic indicator that kind of factors in over generations. So, if we are going to address this issue, it is going to have to be kind of a comprehensive program to deal with these issues, things like, again, as mentioned, baby bonds, and full employment. I think one of the most important things government can do is make sure there is good, adequate information and understanding of our economic data in a racialized way. Mr. Clay. One of the other topics of discussion among the panelists and audience--and I am curious to hear your view--was of reparations and its role in closing the wealth gap. Do you have a view on reparations? Mr. Asante-Muhammad. Yes, I do. I believe reparations for African Americans, and separatereparations for Native Americans are essential. I think it is an important component of bridging racial wealth equality, and it is an important component of this country moving forward in terms of racial justice. I will make a note, though, that I think in a very regressive economy like we have today, even with a strong reparations program, we still could have ongoing racial wealth inequality. We need reparations and comprehensive progressive policy to actually help make sure we have more equity. Reparations alone won't do it, but it is definitely an essential step, I believe. Mr. Clay. Thank you for that response. Dr. Cook, what kind of solutions would you offer for closing the racial wealth gap? And are reparations included in any of those equations? Ms. Cook. I haven't studied many of the proposals for reparations closely. But I agree with what my colleague just said, that it can't be just money; it has to be reducing these barriers to participation in the economy. But one solution that I would suggest would be to augment community development financial institutions (CDFIs) that are particularly focused on closing the racial wealth gap. For example, Rende Progress Capital, in Grand Rapids, Michigan, is specifically focused on closing the racial wealth gap. They look at projects that have positive externalities for the community. They are profit-maximizing, but some of these would get overlooked by traditional credit committees when they were put forward. This is a less-than-2-year-old business, and I think that it has the right kind of focus on addressing the racial wealth gap. And I think there can be more of those. Those can be encouraged. Mr. Clay. And with closing the homeownership gap, to help families build equity and build investment. Ms. Cook. Absolutely. Entrepreneurship is a pathway to inherited wealth, for example. Homeownership--if we had the same conditions that we had pre-2008, I would not want homeownership. I would want--well, okay, I wouldn't want business ownership either. But I try to address broadly the conditions that are associated with financial crises. But I would say that the path to inherited wealth is entrepreneurship, not just homeownership, because lots of African American families and Hispanic families lost their entire intergenerational wealth in one home. Mr. Clay. Because they were steered into toxic mortgages. Ms. Cook. Absolutely. Mr. Clay. I yield back. Thank you. Chairwoman Beatty. I now recognize the gentleman from Indiana, Congressman Hollingsworth, for 5 minutes. Mr. Hollingsworth. Good afternoon. I am excited to see such a great panel, and I really appreciate the Chair and the Majority holding this very important hearing. This is a discussion that needs to be ongoing. I know much research has been dedicated to this area, and I really appreciate the work that everybody on the panel has done and all the conversation thus far. I was having a debate with a far-more-intelligent friend of mine a few months ago, and he was chastising me and maybe chiding the whole system a little bit in that we in public policy too frequently ask the question of, what has gone wrong, instead of asking a more thoughtful question about what went right in individual cases where something went well for either an individual, a group of individuals, or the country overall. And his point was that there are a lot of ways that things can go wrong, a lot of places where people can get stuck in an exit or an off-ramp from a pathway to success. But typically, a lot of things have to go right in order for an individual to break free and get to that success, get to their American Dream. Kind of that old Tolstoy principle: ``Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.'' And his point was we should find what works and extrapolate from that, and that microcosm, that smaller setting, instead of talking about grand, broad, sweeping policies that are based on research, based on theory, but might not pan out in practice. So I wondered if each of you might talk a little bit about a specific example, maybe a program, maybe a group or community that came together and was able to break through some of these barriers, and was able to get people to success because I, like you, share that passion and that crusade to make sure every American, no matter their ZIP Code, no matter the color of their skin, has the opportunity to be able to hope for a brighter and better future. So, I wonder if each of you might talk a little bit about that? Ms. Kijakazi. I would say, an initiative that worke was children's savings accounts, which was proposed by Michael Sherraden, and he really shifted our focus from just income to recognizing the importance of asset accumulation. Mr. Hollingsworth. These have been implemented? Ms. Kijakazi. Yes. There was a demonstration of children's savings accounts which demonstrated that low-income households--and the test was with low-income households--do save and invest. The issue is that we cannot save our way out of the racial wealth gap because it was not created as a result of people not saving. It was created as a result of structural racism, discriminatory policies and practices. Mr. Hollingsworth. Okay. What are some-- Ms. Kijakazi. What we need-- Mr. Hollingsworth. Reclaiming my time, what are some of the examples--that is a great example, and I appreciate you bringing that up. What are some other examples of practices that have worked and perhaps fully closed the gap or helped individuals get to a better place in their own lives? Ms. Kijakazi. The proposal of baby bonds has not been tested-- Mr. Hollingsworth. Correct. Ms. Kijakazi. --but has been analyzed, and the determination was that it would almost close the wealth gap. Mr. Hollingsworth. Yes, a lot of theories. Yes, please, anybody? Mr. Asante-Muhammad. Yes, sir. One thing that has historically really moved millions of people forward and really created the white American middle class was the policies of the 1940s and 1950s that created massive subsidies in homeownership, massive subsidies in education. I think most of us who study racial wealth inequality recognize that disenfranchised minorities were not included in that massive initial investment, so we need that once again, but for the first time to be inclusive. So I think that is a historic example of what can really move people forward and create a strong, secure economic security. I will also just put forward a more specific example. I have been in much conversation with the Association for Financial Planners, and one big challenge we have seen is that most financial education--as was mentioned by a colleague--has not been designed to really deal with the depth of racial wealth inequality. They make basic assumptions about middle income, high income, and assign a wealth value that Blacks and Latinos, even of the same income, are never there. So we have seen some success in better being able to work with households of color by actually factoring racial wealth inequality into their financial planning. Mr. Hollingsworth. Ms. Krawcheck, I have been a big fan of your career and followed you closely, and I really appreciate some of the work that you have done, especially with this new venture. I heard something that you said earlier which I found very interesting, that high minimums are inherently racist and sexist. That is something I know this committee, and specifically the Minority has been really, really focused on is, how do we lower some of the regulatory burdens that hold firms to these higher levels of investment, because they are holding people back and keeping people out of the system that we otherwise want in the system? I know something that the ranking member, whom I know had to step out, has been really passionate about is making sure that we have a thoughtful best interest policy coming out of the SEC so that we can enable and empower those with more moderate means to also get the advantages of financial planners. So, I appreciate the work that you have done in this area to ensure that everyone has a financial planner that they can help rely on, not just a robo-planner. Thank you so much. Ms. Krawcheck. Thank you. Mr. Hollingsworth. I yield back. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes the gentlewoman from Massachusetts, Congresswoman Pressley, for 5 minutes. Ms. Pressley. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. And thank you, Chairwoman Waters, for creating this subcommittee. And thank you, Chairwoman Beatty, for your continued leadership in this space. And I thank all of you for not only coming here today to testify, but for what you are doing each and every day. We are certainly grateful for your counsel and your expertise and your presentation today. And I apologize that I had to step out for a moment. I am working with some restaurant workers to eliminate the subminimum wage, which in many ways, given who represents that workforce, contributes to the very issue we are discussing today. But over the past 4 decades, wealth and income inequality has skyrocketed. Nearly half of all wealth grown since 1986, as you well know, has gone to the top 1 percent of our households, while the top 1 percent controls 42 percent of the nation's wealth. The wealth held by the bottom 90 percent of Americans is rapidly shrinking. You have spoken about my district already, some of you, in your testimony here today. The Massachusetts Seventh Congressional District, which includes Boston, is one of the most diverse and unequal districts in the nation. White households have a net worth of $247,500, while Black households have a median net worth of just $8. Yes, you heard that correctly, and it always bears repeating because it is a sobering and devastating confirmation of the work that we have to do. Now, none of this happens in a vacuum. This reality is as much an indictment of our inaction as it is of the Federal Government's role in selectively facilitating the wealth- building of some while actively excluding others. But we are not here today just to double down on the problem; we are here to be prescriptive and solution-focused. And many of you have referenced the bicameral legislation that I have introduced in partnership with Senator Cory Booker, on baby bonds. And so I just wanted to just do a little bit of a deeper dive on that. There are some who would dismiss this baby bonds bill as another radical proposal. The legislation is simple: Upon birth, every child is given a seed savings account with annual contributions from the Federal Government until that child turns 18, and a stable 3 percent return. By their 18th birthday, children from the poorest families would receive up to $47,000. That is money towards tuition, a down payment on a home, or an investment in a small business. Again, some think this is radical. But in my district-- where median household income drops by $50,000 in a 3-mile radius, and life expectancy by 30 years--we do need to be doing something radical and bold to address that. So would anyone on the panel wish to speak more to the scale of our nation's wealth inequality and whether or not baby bonds are a measure proportionate to the problem? Ms. Kijakazi. Given the inequitable policies that have caused the racial and gender wealth gaps and the magnitude that you indicated, you call it radical, I call it bold solutions are needed, and baby bonds represent one of those bold solutions. You mentioned the data from Boston. That data was gathered by Darrick Hamilton and Sandy Darity with the data collection effort that was funded by the Ford Foundation that I referenced. It is information like that that lets us know just how great this problem is and that there is a strong need to do something about that. And I know that Darrick feels that the forming of your bill has improved on his concept by adjusting annually the amount that would be contributed to the endowment. So it is contributing to helping to, one, enlighten us about what is needed. We need additional data. I argue that additional data is important. And your bill asks for the Comptroller General to gather more information about providing additional information on the wealth of families, and I think that is only beneficial. Ms. Pressley. Thank you. Mr. Asante-Muhammad, again, since we arrived here because of policy, the path forward is going to require policy. So, in my remaining time here, do you mind just ticking off again the litany of legislative solutions that you are supportive of, because you did include baby bonds in that? Mr. Asante-Muhammad. Yes. I think, again, one of the most important things about the baby bonds proposal is that it is sustained long-term investment into households, because the racial wealth divide is so deep that, unless it is 20 years or longer, having that type of investment won't deal with this massive effect of racial wealth inequality. But we also have things like full employment with a high minimum wage, as you noted you are fighting for with restaurant workers. We also have noted Medicare for all because medical cost is a number-one source for bankruptcy. We also, again, have--collecting data and making sure that there is actually a racial wealth divide audit of our policies, because we can look at our policies and have an understanding of who it is going to benefit more and whether it is going to increase the racial wealth divide or bridge it. Ms. Pressley. And H.R. 40, and Senator Warren's bill, you also support? Okay. Mr. Asante-Muhammad. You know my 10 solutions better than I do, yes, ma'am. Ms. Pressley. Okay. All right. Thank you. I yield back. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Wisconsin, Mr. Steil, for 5 minutes. Mr. Steil. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, and thank you for holding today's hearing on a critical topic. I want to dive in a little bit on the education side, if I can. I want to look at it from a couple of different angles, from college and Ph.D., and K-12. Dr. Cook, in your issue brief, you mainly discussed the relationship between low female and minority participation in STEM Ph.D. programs and these groups' comparatively low rates of patents and inventions. While it is clearly an important area for us to focus on, I think there are many well-paying jobs that require STEM skills that can be obtained with 2-year technical college degrees. This is especially true in my home State of Wisconsin, where advanced manufacturing and skills trade jobs can secure workers a place in the middle class. Can you comment a little bit on what role a 2-year technical college education can play in addressing gender and minority disparities in STEM career participation? Ms. Cook. Sure, I can say something about that. One thing that I want to stress is that, while I was giving data on Ph.D. attainment, that was just signaling. A lot of the jobs in the innovation economy require 2-year degrees, and they require specialization. Their programs, as in Massachusetts, at UMass Law, that focus on, say, advanced manufacturing, and those degrees are 2-year, 4-year, and so on. We have to have a workforce that is adequately prepared, and sometimes that is not always a bachelor's degree. So we have to be prepared any way we can be prepared, but that sputnik moment still has to come no matter whether it is a 2- year degree or a 4-year degree or a 6-year degree or a 10-year degree. Mr. Steil. Thank you. I am going to go backwards in progression. I want to dive into K-12 here just a little bit with you, if I can. I look at the legacy of discrimination and how that plays a role in young students' trajectories through school and into the workforce. Providing kids with this exposure to STEM education, informing them about the career opportunities that are there, and ultimately chipping away at some of the empirical data that we have in front of us, that leaves a lot to be desired. As I look at this, I think there is a lot of kids who are locked into schools that don't provide them with the opportunities that can put them on that path to a better life. And in particular, I look at school choice and some of the innovative K through 12 programs that exist in the State of Wisconsin and how school choice is giving, and particularly, underrepresented minorities an opportunity to obtain an education that is not locked into their specific ZIP code, giving them the opportunity to live out a broader American Dream. Could you comment if any of your research has looked into school choice, in particular as it would impact underrepresented minorities pursuing a career in the STEM field? Ms. Cook. My research hasn't touched on that. I know that the evidence is fairly mixed with respect to school choice. But there are a lot of things that can be done right now that don't involve sort of grand plans related to, say, school choice on that level. If we just had lanes and stores where there weren't all of the cool toys, scientific toys associated with boys rather than with girls, and all of the pink things, fluffy and uninteresting things related to girls, and all of the ones related to Star Trek related to boys, there are simple things that could be done, or going to Spark!Lab at the Lemelson Center at the Smithsonian. There are simple things that can be done that don't require much money. The next time you run into Party Center, ask someone why all the rockets are over there in the boys' center. Mr. Steil. And I am not doubting that there is not--I think a lot of the things that we have brought up here today are actually really informative and helpful to think about. I do think that there could be additional research, in particular as to the impact the school choice could have, in particular for underrepresented minorities to be able to obtain that early education to get them on the track early. I have had the opportunity to see that firsthand in southeast Wisconsin, in the community of Racine and other areas in our State, where I believe school choice has given individuals who are from areas where maybe their local school isn't the right fit for them, an opportunity and a helping hand up, and I think that could be uniquely impactful. And so as we go forward, I hope that is an area we can continue to explore. I appreciate everybody being here, I appreciate the hearing, and I yield back. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes the gentlewoman from North Carolina, Ms. Adams, for 5 minutes. Ms. Adams. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, and thank you for convening this hearing. It is a topic that we need to be talking about. I want to thank all of the witnesses for being here. Many of us here have been shouting about, fighting for, and researching these issues for decades, and so having this conversation with this focus is long overdue. Let me just get right to my questions. Ms. Cook, in what ways have local and Federal policies created the racial and gender wealth gaps, and what are some of your proposed solutions? Ms. Cook. I can give one example with respect to Federal policy. The intentional destruction of Black neighborhoods with revitalization cannot be understated. One of the things that we know about patent teams--and I will get to my argument quickly. This won't take long--the highest number, the peak year for patenting for African Americans was 1899. There is still a median size of a patent team with African Americans on it of one. What you did was to break all of these social networks that African Americans had. These were independent inventors. They interacted with inventors. And what you did with revitalization, what happened with revitalization was that these communities were further separated from businesses, from economic activity. So that is one policy. African Americans not being able to take full advantage of the GI bill, that is another policy. These are broad policies, but they are everywhere. They are not in just one place. Were you asking me for recommendations, or were you asking me just to name some of those policies? Ms. Adams. Well, recommendations. Ms. Cook. Okay, recommendations. I mentioned CDFIs. But also, again, this is from my research, the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR), and the Small Business Technology Transfer (STTR) programs have been effective in bringing new invention and innovation to the fore. That is something that can be pushed more, and there can be more outreach and engagement with respect to women. I thank you all for passing the SUCCESS (the Study of Underrepresented Classes Chasing Engineering and Science Success) Act, which was based on my research, from my reading of it. And the IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education) Act is before you now. Those can encourage innovation by women and underrepresented minorities simply by counting them. That is an important part of it. And I would say that more support for programs like my own, the American Economic Association Summer Program, that provide mentoring and provide training with respect to STEM fields, I think, would be very useful, but that is long term. Ms. Adams. Thank you very much. Ms. Krawcheck, what is your opinion on the current corporate efforts towards closing their own gender pay gaps? We know that there is not a lot of transparency there. I am curious about what you think. Ms. Krawcheck. The research tells us that the gender pay gaps are decades away from closing for white women; 100-plus years for Black women; and 200-plus years for Latinx women, which is very little progress. Companies today tend to double down on what they have been doing in order to close it, active inertia, in which they just do the things they have been doing that haven't been working and just continue to do more of it. Where it has been successful is where CEOs like a Marc Benioff at Salesforce have simply decided to close the gender pay gap and have just done it. Ms. Adams. Okay. So does any other witness have a solution for encouraging companies to become more transparent about racial and gender compensation data? Because oftentimes, they don't know what that is. Ms. Pyle. I think transparency in wages and salary is absolutely essential for closing all of these gaps. People often don't know how much the person sitting next to them doing the same job is earning. I think people should be able to freely discuss their pay with each other. I think that the average pay for workers by gender and by race and ethnicity at certain categories should be publicly available, not by individual names necessarily but by categories, so that people have a better sense of where they fall along the continuum. But that transparency is absolutely essential. Ms. Adams. Okay. Does anyone else want to add something? Mr. Asante-Muhammad. I will just put forward that I think companies need to boldly name these challenges. JPMorgan Chase recently created the Advancing Black Pathways program, that is focusing on a multitude of levels of one having much more clear data on how African Americans are doing in their company, doing mentorship, doing direct outreach. So, I think those types of bold policy programs are required in a corporate sector. Ms. Adams. Thank you very much. Madam Chairwoman, I am going to yield back my time. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Gonzalez, for 5 minutes. Mr. Gonzalez of Ohio. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, for leading this important hearing, and thank you, everybody, for your participation. The data is clear and overwhelming, and I, for one, am thrilled that we are starting to have serious conversations about what the drivers are and how we can fix this. We may have different answers ultimately, but the fact that the conversations are taking place in a serious manner, I think is really important, and so I just want to thank you all for all your contributions today and in general. One area that I would like to focus on with respect to wealth inequality is borrowing costs and lending costs. The reality is, if you are borrowing at a 5-percent rate, a 4- percent rate, or a 3-percent rate, compounding capital and building wealth can occur. If you are disconnected from that environment, it can be awfully difficult if your rates are 10, 20, or 100 percent. Warren Buffett can't build wealth that way. So I guess with that, I will start with Dr. Pyle. Specifically, in your testimony, you discuss how women are more likely to receive high-cost loans such as subprime home loans. How could the use of financial technology help address this problem by providing more access to credit? And I know we have some issues there too, but I just want to talk about the opportunity. Ms. Pyle. I think, given appropriate financial information and education, women are extremely savvy financial decision- makers. I think that they were unfairly targeted, and at the same levels of credit score and repayment ability they were targeted with much higher interest rates, and this really undercut their ability to build wealth. I think there are a lot of opportunities out there for products and for services for women to really help close that gap. And I think it is absolutely, absolutely essential because wealth is not just about how much you are earning in terms of interest; it is how much you are not paying in these other types of fees and interest rates. So I feel that women are really savvy, but they need a little bit more information and a little bit more transparency in the products that are being offered to them. Mr. Gonzalez of Ohio. Great. And I think that is one of the great promises about technology. Technology--I think people have ascribed value to it, but I think it is value- neutral. It depends on how you apply it. And in this instance, I think it creates some really exciting opportunities. Dr. Cook, in your report you discuss how mentorships can be a valuable tool for retention within the STEM fields. Can you give some specific examples, kind of to Representative Hollingsworth's questions earlier? What specific examples have you seen that have worked really well? Ms. Cook. One example that comes up in my research is that of James West at AT&T. He mentored at least two generations of Ph.D. students who were at AT&T, and AT&T used to have one of the most sweeping programs for Ph.D. students, for undergraduate and Ph.D. students promoting equity, so lots of women, and lots of underrepresented minorities. And he had a distinguished career of invention and including those students on patent teams, for example. So this is where a lot of women and underrepresented minorities get excluded. My research shows that single-sex teams are less productive than coed teams, patent teams. So we are leaving a lot of money on the table if we have either single-sex male or single-sex female patent teams. So that is a sort of concrete way in which there can be changes made in patenting. Mr. Gonzalez of Ohio. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for sharing that. And then, Dr. Pyle, I was looking through your testimony, and you provide the mean and median wealth for couples, single men, and single women. And there is obviously a huge gap between single males and single females: $10,000 in median wealth for single males versus $3,200 for single females. What I believe is that the bigger gap, or the one that I really wish we could solve, is the couples one. So the couples, $78,000. And when I say that, what I mean is this: I believe one of the main drivers to a lot of the problems we have in our society today is the breakdown of the family. I think we have seen that across ethnic minorities, but also across the entire society. And this is why I think this is so important. We know that one of the biggest drivers to family breakdown is financial stress. And so, if we get this right and we find ways to be more inclusive in the financial system, my hope is that what we will see is a world where we have more families forming and staying together, because it is my belief that if we truly want to rebuild this country, we have to rebuild our families. And with that, I yield back. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes the gentlewoman from Texas, Ms. Garcia, for 5 minutes. Ms. Garcia of Texas. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. And thank you for holding this hearing on such an important topic to many of us, and it is not just to some of us who may be women or may be minorities, but really it does impact all of us and, more importantly, the nation's economy. I want to thank all of the panel members today. And, quite frankly, Madam Chairwoman, I don't know about you, but I am still trying to digest the last statement that Ms. Krawcheck made--it will take Latinas 200 years to catch up? And African Americans, 100 years? Madam Chairwoman, I don't think we are going to be around to make any of those rewards or gains or whatever that might be. I am just completely astounded by that. I knew it was bad, but, quite frankly, until you see the numbers, you really don't get the message about how bad it is. And I know there seems sometimes a narrative that, well, it is all individual choice, if the individual just took responsibility, if they just decided to do what they could. But the reality is that, even though we can say that we should make opportunities so that no one, no matter what their ZIP Code, that they can achieve, the reality is that your ZIP Code makes a big difference, doesn't it? Because what we are faced with is not something that can be fixed overnight or that one law or two laws can pass and we fix it. It is the infrastructure. It is all of the things together that have existed, not just today but many years ago, and have been building and building. So I am just somewhat perplexed trying to figure out, of all the things all of you all have mentioned--because all of those are great policy interventions, but we have done some of that already. And in Texas, we have this saying that you can take the horse to the water, but you can't make the horse drink the water. So my question to you is, with which of these policies can we get that horse to drink the water, not only to see that there is a CRA and there are housing incentives, that there is equal pay for equal work, how do we get that damn horse to drink the water and really get engaged and buy-in? And quickly, everybody, I think we have maybe less than a minute for each of you. Ms. Kijakazi. Thank you. I think that it takes a package of policies to dismantle the structural racism that exists. So it is not just one policy, and perhaps it didn't work because one policy was tried at a time, but the combination or a package of change in policies that are intended to change. Ms. Garcia of Texas. Great. Mr. Asante-Muhammad? Mr. Asante-Muhammad. Yes. And to take your analogy, I don't think the issue so much--I am not exactly sure who is the horse and what is the water, but I don't think so much the analogy is that the horse isn't taking the water, meaning communities of colors aren't willing to take the investments needed to actually create a stable middle-class economy for themselves. It is that the country has never provided water to these communities that would allow this type of stability. And so, again, for the first time, we have to do a massive middle-class investment that was done for white America in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, but has never been done for disenfranchised minorities. Ms. Garcia of Texas. Okay. Ms. Pyle? Ms. Pyle. I took the horse-and-water analogy a little bit differently, talking about how leaders could come together and drink the water. Ms. Garcia of Texas. And the institutions, the banks can really embrace and take ownership and really do something with the Community Reinvestment Act. Housing developers can really take the housing incentives and other tools to really build communities for lower, affordable housing, et cetera. We can put it there, but they may not do it. They don't do it. Ms. Pyle. I think what we have to realize is that these are not just policies that benefit a small subset of the population. These are policies and these are actions that will benefit the entire nation. So, if there is a community in the nation that is not living up to its full potential because they are being denied opportunities in STEM or in the labor market, for example, or if they are being denied housing because of discriminatory policies, that impacts not just that particular person or that particular community, it really impacts our entire nation, our entire ability to grow economically. So I think that we are very shortsighted when we think about these types of policies as benefiting only a small subgroup rather than the nation as a whole. Ms. Garcia of Texas. Agreed. Ms. Krawcheck? Ms. Krawcheck. I would like to add one very quickly that we haven't talked about today. Coming at it from a private-sector perspective, if there was one thing I could change, it would be to have mandated paid parental leave. That is where we see the gender pay gap really kick in, as women begin to have babies. And this is despite the research that just a minority of companies in this country have this type of paid leave. Despite the research that shows us that it is not an expense, it is an investment that pays for itself in less than a year. Because if a woman and her family are allowed to bond and come together in those early days, weeks, and months, she is more likely to return to work. The company therefore doesn't have to find a replacement and pay for them and train that replacement. So if I could do one thing, that is what it would be. Ms. Garcia of Texas. Ms. Cook, quickly, because I might run out of time, and I am working on the Chair's indulgence at this moment. Ms. Cook. Okay. I would make one quick, narrow suggestion. Private universities can't or don't reveal their data like public universities have to. All of them have 501(c)(3) status or 40--whatever their nonprofits. Ms. Garcia of Texas. Or at least a foundation. Ms. Cook. Right. And they receive Federal funding. So if they don't supply these data, so we can talk about voluntarily doing this, but those are huge universities, and they have a lot of influence. And this affects the entire stream that we are talking about, the entire innovative process, the financial literacy, financial education. Those universities should be made to make their wage data public as well. Ms. Garcia of Texas. Thank you. And thank you, Madam Chairwoman. Chairwoman Beatty. Thank you. And thank you to all of our witnesses today for your testimony: Ms. Kijakazi; Mr. Asante-Muhammad; Ms. Pyle; Ms. Krawcheck; and Dr. Cook. I have several articles that, without objection, I would like to enter into the record. Without objection, it is so ordered. The Chair notes that some Members may have additional questions for this panel, which they may wish to submit in writing. Without objection, the hearing record will remain open for 5 legislative days for Members to submit written questions to these witnesses and to place their responses in the record. Also, without objection, Members will have 5 legislative days to submit extraneous materials to the Chair for inclusion in the record. This hearing is now adjourned. [Whereupon, at 3:39 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.] A P P E N D I X September 24, 2019 [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [all]