[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] TIME CHANGE: THE IMPACT OF THE COVID 19 CRISIS ON UNIVERSITY RESEARCH ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY OF THE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ SEPTEMBER 9, 2020 __________ Serial No. 116-79 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available via the World Wide Web: http://science.house.gov ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 41-311 PDF WASHINGTON : 2021 COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HON. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas, Chairwoman ZOE LOFGREN, California FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma, DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois Ranking Member SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon MO BROOKS, Alabama AMI BERA, California, BILL POSEY, Florida Vice Chair RANDY WEBER, Texas LIZZIE FLETCHER, Texas BRIAN BABIN, Texas HALEY STEVENS, Michigan ANDY BIGGS, Arizona KENDRA HORN, Oklahoma ROGER MARSHALL, Kansas MIKIE SHERRILL, New Jersey RALPH NORMAN, South Carolina BRAD SHERMAN, California MICHAEL CLOUD, Texas STEVE COHEN, Tennessee TROY BALDERSON, Ohio JERRY McNERNEY, California PETE OLSON, Texas ED PERLMUTTER, Colorado ANTHONY GONZALEZ, Ohio PAUL TONKO, New York MICHAEL WALTZ, Florida BILL FOSTER, Illinois JIM BAIRD, Indiana DON BEYER, Virginia FRANCIS ROONEY, Florida CHARLIE CRIST, Florida GREGORY F. MURPHY, North Carolina SEAN CASTEN, Illinois MIKE GARCIA, California BEN McADAMS, Utah THOMAS P. TIFFANY, Wisconsin JENNIFER WEXTON, Virginia CONOR LAMB, Pennsylvania ------ Subcommittee on Research and Technology HON. HALEY STEVENS, Michigan, Chairwoman DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois JIM BAIRD, Indiana, Ranking Member MIKIE SHERRILL, New Jersey ROGER MARSHALL, Kansas BRAD SHERMAN, California TROY BALDERSON, Ohio PAUL TONKO, New York ANTHONY GONZALEZ, Ohio BEN McADAMS, Utah THOMAS P. TIFFANY, Wisconsin STEVE COHEN, Tennessee BILL FOSTER, Illinois C O N T E N T S September 9, 2020 Page Hearing Charter.................................................. 2 Opening Statements Statement by Representative Haley Stevens, Chairwoman, Subcommittee on Research and Technology, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives........... 8 Written Statement............................................ 9 Statement by Representative Jim Baird, Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Research and Technology, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives........... 10 Written Statement............................................ 11 Statement by Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, Chairwoman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives................................................ 12 Written Statement............................................ 13 Statement by Representative Frank D. Lucas, Ranking Member, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives................................................ 13 Written Statement............................................ 14 Witnesses: Dr. Joseph Walsh, Interim Vice President for Economic Development and Innovation, University of Illinois System Oral Statement............................................... 16 Written Statement............................................ 19 Dr. David Stone, Vice President for Research, Oakland University Oral Statement............................................... 43 Written Statement............................................ 45 Dr. Theresa Mayer, Executive Vice President for Research and Partnerships, Purdue University Oral Statement............................................... 53 Written Statement............................................ 55 Mr. Ryan Muzzio, Physics Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University Oral Statement............................................... 65 Written Statement............................................ 67 Discussion....................................................... 84 Appendix I: Answers to Post-Hearing Questions Dr. David Stone, Vice President for Research, Oakland University. 102 Dr. Theresa Mayer, Executive Vice President for Research and Partnerships, Purdue University................................ 104 Appendix II: Additional Material for the Record Letter submitted Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, Chairwoman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives....................................... 108 TIME CHANGE: THE IMPACT OF THE COVID-19 CRISIS ON UNIVERSITY RESEARCH ---------- WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2020 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Research and Technology Committee on Science, Space, and Technology Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:30 a.m., via Webex, Hon. Haley Stevens [Chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding. [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Well, this hearing will come to order. Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare recess at any time. And, before I deliver my opening remarks, I do want to note the circumstances that we find ourselves in today, in which we are meeting pursuant to House Resolution 965 today, the Subcommittee on Research and Technology on the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee is meeting virtually, and I want to announce a couple of reminders to the Members, our House Members, about the conduct of today's remote hearing. First, Members should keep their video feed on for as long as they are present in the hearing, and Members are also responsible for their own microphones, just as if we were in the room together, and so please keep your microphones muted unless you're speaking. And, finally, if Members have documents they wish to submit for the record, please e-mail them to the Committee Clerk, whose e-mail address was circulated to your offices prior to today's hearing. It certainly is nice to see everyone here today, and so good morning, and welcome to our distinguished panelists. Certainly want to give a special welcome to Dr. David Stone from Oakland University (OU), one of the prides of Michigan's 11th District, and, you know, the university's certainly a special place, but all of represent and come from special institutions and jurisdictions which are critical to this country's research fabric. We're here today to discuss the impact of COVID-19 on innovation as it relates to our academic system. We're here to discuss the disruptions brought on by COVID-19 into our research efforts. As we all know, federally funded research conducted on university campuses across the Nation is certainly a critical driver of our country's innovation, economic development, pairing with the private sector and government partners to jump start new technology and scientific breakthroughs. The COVID-19 crisis sent shockwaves through this ecosystem very early on, particularly given some of the disruptions that were brought on from needing to social distance, and also end school years early. University administrators, research facility managers, faculty, post-docs, and students are still reeling from some of the profound disruptions to their work, and still making their way to adapt amid persistent uncertainty, and the duration of how long this pandemic will go on. In the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic--we're now saying early days--universities stepped up in a big way to help us combat the disease. Many institutions reconfigured their laboratories for COVID-19 related research, and donated masks, gloves, and other personal protective equipment (PPE) to hospitals and first responders, part of the remarkable supply chain recovery efforts that we saw take place throughout this great Nation. I remain concerned and alarmed that our Federal Government is just not stepping up to its end of the bargain, and that's part of what we're here to discuss today. In the absence of, you know, a complete and holistic national strategy to mitigate the spread of the virus, universities have been faced with difficult decisions about the fall semester. Many institutions find themselves in danger of incredible financial disruption, and even, in some cases, ruin, which is things that we are, you know, starting to hear from stakeholders across the country. Universities are being squeezed on both sides with a significant loss of revenue, and unanticipated costs of cleaning up their campuses, providing that PPE, developing their own testing and contact tracing technologies, and ramping down and restarting their research programs, as well as the virtual learning environment. And, boy, wouldn't it be nice to have some financial assistance or grant dollars made available to all of you, because you're certainly best in class examples. Many universities, for instance, had to implement hiring freezes, and the near-term impact on the research workforce is worrying, and will be long lasting if we don't find solutions. The impacts to our wider STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) pipeline could also be quite devastating, and it's certainly troubling from the place which we're sitting right now. Undergraduate students are missing out on critical hands-on training. Graduate students are worried that there won't be funding for them to finish their research projects, I can't even imagine, and even raising some questions about graduating. So post-docs and other early career researchers are also searching for jobs in a severely contracted academic job market when we want those bright research minds on the forefront of innovation, and in high demand for their talents and research abilities at universities across the United States. Early data indicate that the impacts of these challenges are more pronounced for women and other groups historically underrepresented in STEM, which in and of itself is quite unfortunate, and troubling, and something I hope that today's hearing also touches on. So, Chairwoman Johnson, and Ranking Member Lucas, and several Members of this Committee have been a part of championing two bipartisan bills which propose a great approach, a bold approach, to meeting the urgent needs to help universities and academic researchers recover from this crisis. The RISE Act, which authorizes $26 billion in emergency relief funding for science agencies to support full cost extension of research grants so that we don't literally lose years of research. This goes beyond just a general disruption. This is a sustained period that we're operating in, and the RISE Act certainly gives us a lot of hope and potential. We're really proud of that legislation. And then the Supporting Early Career Researchers Act creates a $250 million fellowship program at the National Science Foundation (NSF). I'm so proud of the NSF, and the work that they have been doing, and we want to, obviously, continue to support that. So with the Supporting Early Careers Researchers Act, the National Science Foundation will be able to keep recent Ph.D. recipients in the STEM pipeline. And I certainly look forward to hearing from our panelists about their experiences navigating these new challenges that have been thrown their way, and the challenges posed to innovation presented by the COVID-19 crisis, and the need for getting back to the research enterprise, and getting back on track. [The prepared statement of Chairwoman Stevens follows:] Good morning and welcome to our distinguished panelists. I'd like to give a special welcome to Dr. David Stone from Oakland University, the pride of Michigan's 11th district. We are here to discuss the impact of the COVID-19 crisis on innovation as it relates to our academic research system. We all know that federally funded research conducted on university campuses across the nation is a critical driver of U.S. innovation and economic development, pairing with private sector and government partners to jumpstart new technology and scientific breakthroughs. The COVID-19 crisis sent shock waves through this critical ecosystem. University administrators, research facility managers, faculty, postdocs, and students are all reeling from the profound disruptions to their work and struggling to adapt amid persistent uncertainty about how long this crisis will last. In the early days of the pandemic, universities stepped up in a big way to help us combat the disease. Many institutions reconfigured their laboratories for COVID-related research and donated masks, gloves, and other personal protective equipment to hospitals and first responders. I am deeply concerned that the federal government has yet to hold up its end of the bargain. In the absence of a national strategy to mitigate the spread of the virus, universities are faced with difficult decisions about the Fall semester. Many institutions find themselves in real danger of financial ruin. Universities are being squeezed from both sides, with a significant loss of revenue and unanticipated costs of cleaning their campuses, providing PPE, developing their own testing and contact tracing technologies, and ramping down and restarting their research programs as well as the virtual learning environments. Many universities have had to implement hiring freezes. The near-term impact on the research workforce is worrying and will be long-lasting if we don't find solutions. The impacts to our wider STEM pipeline could be devastating. Undergraduate students are missing out on critical hands-on training. Graduate students are worried there won't be funding for them to finish their research projects and graduate. Post-docs and other early-career researchers are desperately searching for jobs in a severely contracted academic job market. Early data indicate that the impacts of these challenges are more pronounced for women and other groups historically underrepresented in STEM. Chairwoman Johnson, Ranking Member Lucas, and several Members of this Committee have championed two bipartisan bills which propose a bold approach to meeting the urgent needs to help universities and academic researchers recover from this crisis. The RISE Act authorizes $26 billion in emergency relief funding for science agencies to support full-cost extensions of research grants so that we don't lose literally years of critical research. The Supporting Early-Career Researchers Act creates a new $250 million fellowship program at the National Science Foundation to help keep recent Ph.D. recipients in the STEM pipeline. I look forward to hearing from our panelists about their experiences navigating the unprecedented challenges to innovation presented by this crisis and the needs for getting our research enterprise back on track. Chairwoman Stevens. So, with that, the Chair, myself, I'm going to recognize Dr. Baird now, our Ranking Member, for an opening statement. Dr. Baird, I'll pass it over to you. Mr. Baird. Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens, and thank you for holding today's hearing. All of us here on this Committee, I think, recognize the critical role that the universities play in America's research enterprise, and they really are the largest performer of basic research, which drives scientific and technological discovery, in this country. They play a significant role in regional and national economic development by spurring countless startups and patent grants in a number of industry. And they educate and train our STEM workforce of tomorrow that will be critical for our future, and to stay competitive. So, over the last six months, our research universities have faced one of the greatest disruptions they have ever experienced due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and yet they have played a critical role in addressing the pandemic by conducting research and development to detect, defend, and eventually defeat this COVID-19. For example, Purdue University, my alma mater, researchers are working on developing a handheld paper diagnostic device that will make COVID-19 detection fast, easy to use, and portable. While COVID-19 related research has permitted us to continue, tens of thousands of other labs across the country have been forced to close or severely reduce their operations. Throughout this summer research institutions have been taking the tremendous task of planning for how to safely reopen and operate their research facilities, and adhering to the proper social distancing practices is challenging in general, but it's especially challenging when you consider the tight, confined spaces laboratory work is traditionally conducted in. So I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today on how their campuses are dealing with these challenges and creating a ``new normal'' that allows the research enterprise on their campuses to rev back up. The restarting of the university research enterprise is particularly important to our future domestic STEM talent pipeline, especially early career researchers and post-docs. The limited access to laboratories has restricted the research that post-docs can complete, and, in some cases, causing their trajectories to change, and an uncertainty of when or if they would be able to complete their research and their degree on time. Additionally, because many universities have instituted hiring freezes, there's a great concern that many post-docs will have to leave academia to find a job in the near term, which will be extremely damaging to the U.S.'s domestic STEM talent and U.S. competitiveness. It is critical Congress takes steps to fight the threat of such a loss of STEM talent and brain drain. I would like to thank all of our witnesses, and I would make a special welcome to Dr. Mayer from Purdue University to taking the time to join us today, especially given it is the start of the school year, and I expect much more demanding than the start of a normal school year. So I look forward to hearing our testimonies, and having a productive session. I yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Baird follows:] Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens, for holding today's hearing. All of us on this Committee know the critical role our universities play in America's research enterprise. They are the largest performers of basic research, which drives scientific and technological discovery in this country. They play a significant role in regional and national economic development, spurring countless start-ups and patent grants in a number of industries. And they educate and train our STEM workforce of tomorrow, which will be critical to our future competitiveness. Over the last six months, our research universities have faced one of the greatest disruptions they have ever experienced due to the COVID-19 pandemic. And yet, they have played a critical role in addressing the pandemic by conducting research and development to detect, defend, and eventually defeat COVID-19. For example, at Purdue University, researchers are working on developing a handheld paper diagnostic device that will make COVID-19 detection fast, easy-to-use, and portable thanks to the inherent properties of paper. While COVID-19 related research was permitted to continue, tens of thousands of other labs across the country were forced to close or severely reduce their operations. Throughout this summer, research institutions have been taking on the tremendous task of planning for how they can safely reopen and operate their research facilities. Adhering to proper social distancing practices is challenging in general, but especially when you consider the tight, confined spaces laboratory work is traditionally conducted in. I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today on how their campuses are dealing with these challenges and creating a ``new normal'' that allows the research enterprise on their campuses to rev back up. Restarting the university research enterprise is particularly important to our future domestic STEM talent pipeline, especially early-career researchers and postdocs. The limited access to laboratories has restricted the research that postdocs can complete, in some cases causing their trajectories to change and creating uncertainty of when or if they will be able to complete their research and degree on time. Additionally, because many universities have instituted hiring freezes, there are great concerns that many postdocs will have to leave academia to find a job in the near term, which will be extremely damaging to the US's domestic STEM talent and U.S. competitiveness. It is critical Congress takes steps to fight the threat of such a loss of STEM talent and ``brain drain.'' I would like to thank all of our witnesses for taking the time to join us today, especially given it is the start of the school year and I expect, much more demanding than the start of a normal school year. I look forward to hearing your testimonies and a productive discussion. I yield back the balance of my time. Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you, Dr. Baird. And, with that, the Chair now recognizes our Chairwoman of the Full Committee, Chairwoman Johnson, for an opening statement. Chairwoman Johnson. Thank you very much, Chairwoman Stevens, and thanks to Ranking Member Baird for holding this hearing, and thanks to all of our distinguished panelists for joining us today. The Nation is in a crisis on many fronts. Due to the unprecedented lack of firm guidance, nearly 200,000 Americans have died from the COVID-19 pandemic. Millions of American children are hungry. Countless Americans have no safe place to live, and our very democracy is at stake. In the midst of all these crises, it may be hard to think about our future, and it may be even harder to convince our colleagues, and the American people, of the urgent need to help rescue our universities, and, by doing so, help to rescue our future. And yet, that is what we are here today to discuss, for even now we cannot afford to ignore it. Even as China looms large as a competitor, and many other nations have strong science and technology capacity, U.S. universities continue to lead the world in cultivating the next generation of STEM talent, and serving as an engine for our economy. I believe that our universities can do more to recruit and nurture all talent, no matter their gender, race, disability, or other background, and I'm pleased that Ranking Member Lucas has joined me in pursuing many efforts to address diversity and inclusion in STEM education and research. While I will continue my own efforts to address these disparities, I remain confident that the American universities have the essential ingredients to carry our Nation into a healthy, secure, and prosperous future. More than that, I believe we cannot have a healthy, secure, and prosperous future without our universities. This Nation is blessed with hundreds of excellent research universities that collectively serve the very diverse needs of our population and underpin our innovation economy. I am not suggesting that all--that even most of our universities' research is going to collapse due to the COVID-19 pandemic. I am, however, deeply concerned that many institutions may not survive, that years of important research will be lost, and that we will suffer irreparable harm to our talent pipeline. I'm especially concerned about the fallout from this pandemic undercutting the gains that we have made in diversity, and diversifying our STEM pipeline, including the geographic diversity that will help communities across the Nation revitalize their economies in the coming years. We cannot allow that long term damage to happen. The stakes for our Nation are simply too high. For those reasons, I did not hesitate to join my bipartisan colleagues in the House co-sponsoring the RISE Act, despite the hefty price tag. I was also pleased to be joined by many colleagues on the Science, Space, and Technology Committee in introducing Supporting Early Career Researchers Act, which is focused specifically on keeping the best and brightest in research careers that they already worked so hard for. I hope my colleagues on both sides of the aisle will continue to join me in advocating for real funding for these two bills, and I thank you, and yield back. [The prepared statement of Chairwoman Johnson follows:] Thank you Chairwoman Stevens and Ranking Member Baird for holding this hearing, and thank you to our distinguished panel for joining us today. This nation is in crisis on many fronts. Due to an unprecedented lack of leadership, nearly 200,000 Americans have died from the COVID19 pandemic, millions of American children are hungry, countless Americans have no safe place to live, and our very democracy is at risk. In the midst of all of these crises, it may be hard to think about our future. And it may be even harder to convince our colleagues and the American people of the urgent need to help rescue our universities, and by doing so, help rescue our future. And yet, that is what we are here today to discuss, for even now, we cannot afford to ignore it. Even as China looms large as a competitor, and many other nations have strong science and innovation capacity, U.S. universities continue to lead the world in cultivating the next generation of STEM talent and serving as an engine for our economy. I believe that our universities can do more to recruit and nurture all talent, no matter their gender, race, disability, or other background. And I am pleased that Ranking Member Lucas has joined me in pursuing many efforts to address diversity and inclusion in STEM education and research. While I will continue my own efforts to address these disparities, I remain confident that American universities have the essential ingredients to help carry our nation into a healthy, secure, and prosperous future. More than that, I believe we cannot have a healthy, secure, and prosperous future without our universities. This nation is blessed with hundreds of excellent research universities that collectively serve the very diverse needs of our population and underpin our innovation economy. I am not suggesting that all or even most of our university-based research is going to collapse due to the COVID-19 pandemic. I am, however, deeply concerned that many institutions may not survive, that years of important research will be lost, and that we will suffer irreparable harm to our talent pipeline. I am especially concerned about the fallout from this pandemic undercutting the gains we have made in diversifying our STEM pipeline, including the geographic diversity that will help communities across the nation revitalize their economies in the coming years. We cannot allow that long-term damage to happen-- the stakes for our nation are too high. For those reasons, I did not hesitate to join my bipartisan colleagues in the House in cosponsoring the RISE Act, despite its hefty price tag. I was also pleased to be joined by many colleagues on the Science, Space, and Technology Committee in introducing the Supporting Early Career Researchers Act, which is focused specifically on keeping the best and brightest in research careers that they have already worked so hard for. I hope my colleagues on both sides of the aisle will continue to join me in advocating for real funding for those two bills. Thank you and I yield back. Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you, Madam Chair. And now the Chair recognizes Ranking Member Lucas for an opening statement. Mr. Lucas. Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens, for holding today's hearing to examine the challenges our academic research enterprise has faced during the COVID-19 pandemic. When the pandemic reached our shores, many researchers immediately pivoted to apply the knowledge and resources to fight this virus. Universities have devoted engineering departments to 3D printing personal protective equipment for front line workers. They've engineered inexpensive ventilators and self-sterilizing equipment for hospitals, and they've even repurposed the veterinarian labs to process COVID-19 tests. Unfortunately, even while doing this exceptional work, universities have also had to slow down, or entirely stop, other research that is non-essential to fighting COVID-19. Social distancing, travel restrictions, campus closures have forced many researchers to stop their work. There are tremendous costs to halt in research. First, we lose the scientific knowledge and technology development that would've been gained from this work. Second, we face economic consequences. According to the IRS data, American universities used research funds to pay more than 560,000 people on campuses across the country Fiscal Year 2018 to 2019. And, third, we could slow our scientific progress for years to come because of the damage being done to our STEM pipeline. We know it will take time and financial resources to get the research enterprise back up on its feet, but if we do not provide the resources now, we'll be limiting our ability to support new and innovative research, and forced to play catch-up to our foreign competitors, like China. That's why I'm a proud co-sponsor of ``the Research Investment to Security the Economy Act.'' It will help ensure that our research sector recovers from the current challenges, and continues to thrive even after the pandemic subsides. The ``RISE Act'' authorizes approximately $26 billion in emergency relief that Federal science agencies will award to research universities, independent institutions, and national laboratories to continue working on federally funded research projects. This funding will allow us to continue to support the critical research we need to keep progressing as a nation. Along with the ``RISE Act,'' we have ``the Supporting Early Career Researchers Act,'' a bipartisan bill led by Chairwoman Johnson and Congressman Mike Garcia. This bill creates a fellowship program at the National Science Foundation for post-doc researchers who are unable to continue their research at universities due to COVID-19. By allowing graduate students and post-docs to stay in research, rather than leaving to find other employment, these bills will help preserve our STEM workforce so we don't lose out on years of discoveries. As we fight to keep America safe, healthy, and economically stable during this pandemic, there's one certainty, our success depends on science. I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today about their experiences, the lessons they've learned, and the recommendations they have for how Congress can invest in American research and technology to overcome future pandemics and scientific challenges. Thank you, and I yield back the balance of my time. [The prepared statement of Mr. Lucas follows:] Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens, for holding today's hearing to examine the challenges our academic research enterprise has faced during the COVID-19 pandemic. When the pandemic reached our shores, many researchers immediately pivoted to apply their knowledge and resources to fight this virus. Universities have devoted engineering departments to 3D printing personal protective equipment (PPE) for frontline workers. They have engineered inexpensive ventilators and self-sterilizing equipment for hospitals. And they have even repurposed veterinary labs to process COVID-19 tests. Unfortunately, even while doing this exceptional work, universities have also had to slow down or entirely stop other research that is non-essential to fighting COVID-19. Social distancing, travel restrictions, and campus closures have forced many researchers to stop their work. There are tremendous costs to this halt in research: First, we lose the scientific knowledge and technological development that would be gained from this work. Second, we face economic consequences. According to IRS data, American universities used research funds to pay more than 560,000 people on campuses across the country in fiscal year 2018-2019. And third, we could slow our scientific progress for years to come because of the damage being done to our STEM pipeline. We know it will take time and financial resources to get the research enterprise back up on its feet. But if we do not provide the resources now, we will be limiting our ability to support new and innovative research, and forced to play catch up to our foreign competitors like China. That's why I am a proud cosponsor of the Research Investment to Secure the Economy (RISE) Act. It will help ensure that our research sector recovers from the current challenges and continues to thrive even after the pandemic subsides. The RISE Act authorizes approximately $26 billion in emergency relief that federal science agencieswill award to research universities, independent institutions, and national laboratories to continue working on federally funded research projects. This funding will allow us to continue to support the critical research we need to keep progressing as a nation. Along with the RISE Act, we have the Supporting Early Career Researchers Act--a bipartisan bill led by Chairwoman Johnson and Congressman Mike Garcia. This bill creates a fellowship program at the National Science Foundation for postdoctoral researchers who are unable to continue their research at universities due to COVID-19. By allowing graduate students and post-docs to stay in research rather than leaving to find other employment, these bills will help us preserve our STEM workforce, so we don't lose out on years of discoveries. As we fight to keep America safe, healthy, and economically stable during this pandemic, there is one certainty: our success depends on science. I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today about their experiences, the lessons they've learned, and the recommendations they have for how Congress can invest in American research and technology to overcome future pandemics and scientific challenges Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you, Ranking Member Lucas, and if there are any other Members who wish to submit additional opening statements, your statements will be added to the record at this point. And, at this time, I'd like to introduce our witnesses. Our first witness is Dr. Joseph Jay Walsh. Dr. Walsh is the Interim Vice President for Economic Development and Innovation for the University of Illinois System, a position he has held since May of this year. Prior to his position in the University of Illinois System, Dr. Walsh was a faculty member and administrator for more than 30 years at Northwestern University. Dr. Walsh currently serves on the Board of Directors at MxD (Manufacturing x Digital), and the Board of Governors at Argonne National Laboratory, among others, and previously served on the Board of Directors at Fermi National Laboratory, the Illinois Governor's Innovation Council, the Naval Research Advisory Committee, and the U.S. Secretary of Navy Advisory Panel. Following from Dr. Walsh is Dr. David Stone. Dr. Stone is the Vice President for Research at Oakland University in Michigan, where he is also a Professor of Public Health, and a Professor of Philosophy. Dr. Stone has previously taught and conducted research at Harvard Schools of Medicine and Public Health, Tufts University School of Medicine, Sheffield University in the U.K., and Northern Illinois University. Dr. Stone's recent scholarship focuses on the nature of interdisciplinarity, and takes a transdisciplinary approach to public health, education, and research development. He has also served as an American Council on Education Fellow, as President of the National Organization of Research Development Fellows, and is a member of the charter class of NORDP Fellows. Our third witness is Dr. Theresa Mayer. Dr. Mayer is the Executive Vice President for Research and Partnerships at Purdue University. In this role she oversees the University's research enterprise, and supports engagements with Federal, industry, and global strategic partnerships. Prior to her role at Purdue, she served as Vice President for Research and Innovation at Virginia Tech, and in a number of roles at Penn State University, including Associate Dean for Research and Innovation and Engineering, the Site Director of the NSF National Nanotechnology Infrastructure Network, and Director of the Materials Research Institute Nanofabrication Laboratory. Dr. Mayer is also a member of the U.S. President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, otherwise known as PCAST, and a Fellow of the Institute for Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Our final witness is Mr. Ryan Muzzio. Mr. Muzzio is currently pursuing a Ph.D. in Physics at Carnegie Mellon University, where his research focuses on the electronic properties of novel materials and devices in the 2D regime by utilizing nano-scaled angle resolved photoemissions and device fabrication. Mr. Muzzio is also serving as a student volunteer on Carnegie Mellon's Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion Committee. This is just an amazing panel. I feel like we could spend--witnesses, I feel like we could have testimonies individually, and hearings about what each of you have dedicated your careers to, so thank you so much for your time today with this Science Committee. Our witnesses should know you're each going to get 5 minutes for spoken testimony, and your written testimony--which these testimonies, folks, are fabulous, OK? I mean, there's addendums, they're graphs. They're doing research on the research. It's--this is an amazing moment in time. So your written testimonies are going to be included in the record for the hearing, and when you've completed your spoken testimonies, we're going to begin with questions, and each Member is going to have 5 minutes to question the panel. And I know we've got a lot of fabulous Members of Congress here. We're all chomping at the bit to have this conversation, have this hearing, talk about our legislation. And we're going to begin with our first 5-minute testimony, we've got the clock buzzing in the background here, with--we're going to hear from Dr. Walsh. And so, with that, Dr. Walsh, we'll begin with you. TESTIMONY OF DR. JOSEPH WALSH, INTERIM VICE PRESIDENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND INNOVATION, UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS SYSTEM Dr. Walsh. Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens, Ranking Member Baird, and Members of the Subcommittee. Thank you for inviting me to testify, and for holding this timely and important hearing. You asked about the impacts of the COVID-19 crisis on the research enterprise, and steps Congress can take in response. In brief, the impacts have been, and could continue to be, significant, disrupting productivity, the careers of students and post-docs, and the development of new technologies that drive the economy. Strong Federal assistance, including passage of the RISE Act, is needed to help prepare--repair the damage to America's research universities and researchers. In my written testimony I documented the challenges we face and the actions to take. Here I will focus on the pandemic's harmful impact on research, the consequences to the Nation's research infrastructure, the effects on our students and researchers, and the role the Federal Government can take going forward. Research universities train students, produce graduates, and conduct research that leads to new knowledge. They also provide the infrastructure that serves as the backbone for the Nation's research and development enterprise. The resulting outputs drive U.S. economic prosperity, and are the foundation for the country's health, well-being, and national security. In their role as researchers, every faculty member at a research university should be viewed as the sole proprietor of a small business, a research group. Each is an entrepreneur striving to produce two key products, new knowledge and graduates. The impact of the pandemic for these small business owners, the researchers, has been significant. In March, to protect health and safety, most universities shut down on- campus operations. By most estimates, in the early spring of 2020, approximately 80 percent of all research was significantly slowed or stopped. One key exception was research into solutions to address COVID-19. As the pandemic raged, our faculty and staff developed new diagnostics, manufactured PPE, and developed models and systems to understand and mitigate the spread of the virus. In late spring university researchers cautiously started returning to campus, and, as we entered late summer, most on-campus labs are operational, but with social distancing limiting the number of researchers in a lab space, vital person-to-person exchanges are disrupted, as is the research training of students and post-docs in the discovery of new knowledge. The pandemic's disruptions have also extended to essential research infrastructure. Nearly every researcher uses core university research facilities with shared scientific instrumentation. This is an efficient and effective aspect of the U.S. research enterprise. The financing of these core facilities comes from fees paid from grants by users. For example, when a grad student uses an electron microscope to study the spiky surface of a virus, grant funds are used to pay the costs of using that microscope. During the pandemic, researchers are not using these facilities at pace, user fees are not being collected, and thus university funds must be used to maintain facilities. This is not sustainable, particularly at universities that are already struggling to cover the many other costs associated with the pandemic. While its impact has been broad, the pandemic has been particularly harmful to certain categories of researchers. In a study I co-authored recently in Nature, we found that scientists with young children experienced a substantial decline in productivity. This burden falls on early career researchers, and disproportionately on women. Today, maintaining the momentum of research, indeed accelerating our activities, when we are in a war against the disease, is our challenge and our opportunity. Strong and timely Federal actions are needed to ensure that the U.S. maintains its prominent global position in research, and that research universities can continue to provide answers and opportunities for citizens at this crucial time in history. Without supplemental funding from Congress for relief, Federal research agencies will be forced to choose between abandoning new research opportunities of national importance, or discontinuing research projects that are not yet completed, thus failing to maximize the return of Federal dollars already invested. Either approach will slow discovery and innovation, and jeopardize a generation of scientists and engineers crucial to America's innovation capacity and economic competitiveness for years to come. Passage of the RISE Act and Supporting Early Career Researchers Act will help propel our researchers and our Nation forward. I thank you for your time, and look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Dr. Walsh follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. And next up is Dr. David Stone. TESTIMONY OF DR. DAVID STONE, VICE PRESIDENT FOR RESEARCH, OAKLAND UNIVERSITY Dr. Stone. Good afternoon, Chairwoman Stevens, Ranking Member Baird, and Members of the Subcommittee. Thank you for allowing me to address you today. Oakland University sits proudly in Chair Stevens's district, and provides undergraduate, graduate, professional, and medical education to about 19,000 students, who come largely from the surrounding counties in Southeast Michigan. Oakland is classified as a Research II University, and does provide doctoral training in physical sciences and engineering that is supported by Federal research funding. But for the purposes of my comments today, Oakland is representing, and speaking to the challenges of, the nearly 400 public universities around the Nation that are neither State flagship nor land grant institutions. These regional universities, which include many historically Black and Hispanic-serving institutions, are the backbone of U.S. science, engineering, and technologies workforce pipeline. We accomplish this by providing meaningful research experiences to our undergraduate students that engage them directly with faculty in solving real problems and committing--contributing to the scientific record by publishing their results. As such, we serve as the launching pad for the majority of STEM students, including the underrepresented minority students and first-generation college students who bring a diversity of experiences, perspectives, and goals to our science and engineering workforce. In general, the effects of COVID--of the COVID-19 pandemic on Oakland University, and other regional universities, mirrors what you've already heard in terms of disruptions, delays, and added costs of agency-funded research. At this point only a third of Oakland University's funded researchers and students are back in the labs. To give an example, we have a 30-year NIH (National Institutes of Health) funded study of DNA damage, which is important to long term space flight. When these highly productive faculty restarted preparations for their next experiment at the National Supercomputing--sorry, National Superconducting Cyclotron at Michigan State, they quickly realized that the only person on their team who knew how to fabricate their nanoparticle samples, one Mr. Alex Stark, was an undergraduate, who was not allowed back in the lab. The principal investigator petitioned me to make an exception, but I could not contravene the Governor's executive order. In the end, this high-powered team had to wait six more very unproductive weeks to get their expert undergraduate back in the lab. The pandemic has imposed a different set of challenges on Oakland University and other regional universities than just traditional research grant funding. Support for the high impact practice of undergraduate research, which we know contributes to retention and graduation in STEM, and to sustaining the science and engineering workforce pipeline, comes largely from the university's general fund, which is derived primarily from two sources, tuition and State funding. The pandemic has put both in peril. OU already has incurred more than $25 million in direct losses to the costs of the pandemic. The State also just imposed an 11 percent reduction on our State funding for this year, and prospects look grim for the next two. Here's an example of what's at stake. Oakland University's world-renowned Eye Research Institute runs a summer research program that is funded through our State appropriation. Our super program has trained 100 undergraduates over the last 20 years. In the early 2000's an undergraduate named Cristina Kapustij conducted vision research in the Eye Research Institute and co-authored a scientific paper. She went on to attend law school at Georgetown, serve as a congressional Health Fellow for Representative John Dingell, and is currently chief of policy and program analysis at the National Human Genome Research Institute. Such is the impact of high-quality State supported undergraduate research programs. This combination of operational losses and State budget cuts in Michigan and around the country will cripple our ability to provide undergraduate research opportunities, and do immediate and long-lasting damage to the science and engineering workforce pipeline. Oakland University fully supports the RISE Act so that agencies have the funds to help our investigators complete their research. We also support H.R. 8044 to help our early career investigators keep their research careers on track. But it is imperative that research funding be distributed more widely. We all know that life circumstances distribute talent such that great ideas often come from unexpected places. This lesson should show us the value of distributing resources across the spectrum of institutions so that we imbue our science and engineering workforce pipeline with the full diversity of experiences, perspectives, talents, and goals. America must maintain a robust research enterprise and a healthy workforce pipeline. It is therefore imperative that you also complete a fourth stimulus that includes direct university funding, funding for the research agencies, and relief for State governments. Failure to do so will have a huge negative impact on our economy, on the workforce pipeline, and on the students across our country who have committed their lives and livelihoods to science. In that spirit, I ask each of you to support these proposals. [The prepared statement of Dr. Stone follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Great. Thank you so much. And now we'll hear from Dr. Mayer. TESTIMONY OF DR. THERESA MAYER, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT FOR RESEARCH AND PARTNERSHIPS, PURDUE UNIVERSITY Dr. Mayer. Chairwoman Johnson, Ranking Member Lucas, Subcommittee Chairwoman Stevens, Ranking Member Baird, and Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to testify to the Subcommittee today, and for your efforts to ensure the CARES Act included funding to help universities cover the significant costs associated with our ongoing response to the COVID-19 pandemic. We also greatly appreciate the flexibilities that Federal agencies have offered researchers during this national and global emergency. Our 70- year partnership with the Federal Government has brought our national unparalleled success in basic research at the frontiers of science and transformative innovation in technology and medicine. Most importantly, it has built human capital. The--this academic talent, research, and tech transfer will be key in the emerging industries of the future, such as artificial intelligence (AI), quantum information science, 5G, advanced manufacturing, biotechnology, and others. Today I'm pleased to share the perspective I gained leading the COVID-19 research response at Purdue, and through my collaboration with colleagues in the Big Ten academic alliance and beyond. For context, Purdue is the State of Indiana's comprehensive public land grant university, with over 2,200 faculty, 500 post-docs, and 45,000 students. More than 2/3 of the students graduate in STEM fields. Purdue is committed to affordability and accessibility, and has frozen tuition and fees for the last 8 years. We rank as the 6th most innovative university in the U.S., and are in the top 25 in research expenditures among publics. In early March the Nation watched as universities flipped from residential to remote instruction in a matter of weeks. The impact on research has garnered less attention by the media. At Purdue the ramp down of on campus research to remote research whenever possible occurred over 3 weeks, and involved over 1,200 principal investigators, with 4,500 funded programs in 100 campus buildings, ag centers, and sites in all 92 counties of Indiana. Travel restrictions severely limited field work and halted in person collaborations across the country and the world. Faculty shared comments such as, ``Fortunately, we were able to shift non-experimental work with the data we had in place.'' With a major shift to remote research, on campus critical research continued. For example, three of our faculty have been working together for years to develop therapeutics to fight coronaviruses. NIH is now funding pre-clinical trials to test their potential drug molecules on the SARS-COVID virus. In May Purdue implemented a return to operations plan. By the end of June, nearly all of our 1,200 campus research spaces and core labs were back online under modified operation. This translated to access for 7,000 researchers, including 370 post- docs, more than 3,000 graduate students, and 400 undergrads. This number does not include researchers who continue to work entirely remotely. During this time Purdue also collaborated with Microsoft to create an online tool to quantify the impact on COVID on sponsor programs. Investigators responsible for the 137 million in expenditures reported effort and financial loss. The aggregate for Purdue's entire portfolio is 11 percent, or a $15 million loss on total expenditures. Notably, 50 percent of the researchers who focus on computation, data science, and related activities reported little or no impact over this period. Of those impacted, 70 percent stated restriction access to facilities as the primary reason for the loss. The no cost time extensions afforded by the Federal agencies have been critical. One researcher shared, ``Federal sponsors have been very open to shifting deliverables and scope because they understand our situation.'' Other institutional losses for research included lost revenue for core labs, facility retrofits, enhanced PPE, testing and contract tracing, and others, are large, and measured in the tens of millions for Purdue alone. In addition to the short-term impact and losses, we expect that researchers will experience ongoing decreased productivity to reduce capacity and modified operations of labs, ongoing travel restrictions, absences due to illness, quarantine, gaps in childcare and school, and many other factors, what we call our new pandemic normal. There is also growing evidence that women and other underrepresented groups in STEM have been disproportionately impacted. The proposed bipartisan RISE Act, together with the Support for Early Career Research Act, would provide critical supplemental support needed to complete work that was directed--disrupted, and to extend education and training opportunities for early career researchers to mitigate the potential loss of our best and brightest STEM talent at this very critical time for the Nation. Thank you, and I look forward to the Q and A. [The prepared statement of Dr. Mayer follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you, Dr. Mayer. And now, Mr. Muzzio. TESTIMONY OF MR. RYAN MUZZIO, PHYSICS PH.D. STUDENT, CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY Mr. Muzzio. Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens, Ranking Member Dr. Baird, Congresswoman Johnson, Ranking Member Lucas, and the entire Subcommittee on Research and Technology, for giving me the opportunity to testify today. I'm an experimental physicist and a graduate student at Carnegie Mellon University. For the past 2 years my work was funded by the Department of Energy, and is currently funded by the National Science Foundation. I thank you all for supporting the mission of the Federal funding--research funding agencies. My doctoral research is aimed at designing materials as thin as a single layer of atoms, such as grafting, and studying and exploiting their properties for real world applications. This research involves in person operation of instrumentation in enclosed spaces with my collaborators at Carnegie Mellon, or the Lawrence Berkeley National Labs in Berkeley, California. My collaborators and I use the same tools, and at times need to be overlapping in space, using the same gloves and viewports on instrumentation. Today none of this work can take place without extreme caution to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Just last year I was at Berkeley National Labs learning how to operate a tool for my collaborators, who had made the trip to Denmark. This training is integral to my research and career development. Every year I prepare samples to learn and perform measurements there. However, due to the lab shutting down in March of this year, I have not been able to attend in person measurement sessions. My ultimate goal is to work at a national lab for an extended period of time, and missing these sessions impacts my chances of attending--or obtaining such a position. I've also missed opportunities to work and network with researchers at conferences. The pandemic has also drastically slowed my ability to perform research and make meaningful progress toward my Ph.D., and between March and May my work was constrained to performing only data analysis, and the process was very slow. Now, when I enter the lab, I must follow tedious, but essential, safety protocols, including donning PPE, minimizing the number of people in labs, and wiping down all of the surfaces that we touch. Social distancing has been difficult because we are building a new research instrument, which requires multiple people to work on it in close proximity. In person training is minimized too, slowing everybody's learning process. But what I bring to you today are my experiences of just one graduate student. There are--they are hardly representative of all of us, and many of us are living in multiple different realities with this virus. To adapt to operating remote instruction, we have had to take time away from our research. Students have been unable to run experiments, brainstorm, and collaborate due to the lack of in-person activities. Delays in graduation, hiring freezes that disrupt job searches, internships, and collaborations are lost. All of these stories are far too common. Disruptions in the academic job market have also come at a high cost for us, making it impossible for many of us to proceed to do--to proceed with research careers. And we're more than just researchers. We're a linchpin in the entire university system. We come from all over the world to conduct groundbreaking research, teach classes, mentor undergraduates, and without the support--without support, the United States loses--or risks losing a generation of talent forever, impeding the pace of innovation in the country, and in particular in our universities. That said, academic issues are not all that we are facing in this pandemic, as I have laid out in my written testimony. For instance, at Carnegie Mellon, students are using the food pantry at astonishing rates. Student parents have experienced the most challenging disruption, and have been forced to juggle their research and teaching responsibilities while parenting full time. International students are in particular in a difficult situation due to travel restrictions. One student lost both their father and grandmother during the pandemic, but could not travel home. Beyond this isolation, students have lived in uncertainty caused by sudden policy shifts, like the July 6 directive from ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), requiring them to either attend in person class or leave the country. Two-thirds of the students at Carnegie Mellon are international, and many of them are the most talented individuals I work with. Ph.D. students report symptoms of--consistent with major depressive order--disorder at higher rates than ever before. Personally, my mental health has taken an impact from this pandemic because of the--because thoughts are constantly clouding my mind about whether my family, friends, or myself are going to--furthermore, being a Black man, I have been deeply affected by the ongoing national conversation about structural racism, and the calls for change through Black Lives Matter movement. All of this has taken significant troll--toll on me. We are not in a bubble. In closing, graduate school is something we do because we want to be here, to learn and to work with like-minded individuals, and to further our collective knowledge of the world. In the best of times it is intense, and we are not in the best of times. We need support now more than ever. I look forward to answering your questions, and hope you continue to hear directly from graduate students on the front lines of our Nation's research environment. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. [The prepared statement of Mr. Muzzio follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Well, thank you so much. Thank you to all of you, and, Ryan, thank you for that courageous and important testimony. We are now going to begin our first round of questions, and the Chair is going to recognize herself for 5 minutes. We are here today to talk about the research and innovation directive of this Nation that is people-fueled by the universities and the research centers that exist throughout our country. And certainly today we've had the opportunity to really hone in on the role that innovation and economic development play as a cohesive force in communities and localities across this country. We know that we are at a crux. We know that we need to unlock the human capital, the talent, as well as the innovation dollars, the investment dollars. We've had this conversation before as a Committee in previous hearings, where we have been able to discuss and hone in on the principle of where the Federal Government comes in as a catalytic research partner. And, Dr. Stone, I really want to commend you for being so student-focused, and obviously it's very important that we had Ryan as one of our witnesses giving the background of the student voice, the student experience. And certainly, in your testimony, hearing about the Eye Research Lab at Oakland University, as well as some of the other recent student experiences that have taken place. And what I'd like to hone in on is something that this Committee focuses on, particularly in our role with the National Science Foundation, which is unlocking the Federal dollars to be of best use for the ultimate success of the research, and the outcomes of that research. And so, if you look at the grants, or the research awards that you're getting, one, I'm very interested to hear about the timeframe, and adjustments to the timeframe, and the flexibility. Two, the additional support that you might need for safety measures, or protocol, or adjusting to this current environment, and some of the uncertainty with the timeframe on that. And then three, Dr. Stone, if you don't mind, also--you can kind of combine this all into one, but I think what's so special about what's going on at Oakland University is something you touched on, being a smaller university that's not land grant, that's doing a lot with a little, and some of how you're existing today as a university with the measures that you put into place as a university to operate right now, or-- with the contact tracing, and some of the testing that you have going on at the university. And you get a whopping 2 minutes to answer, David. Dr. Stone. Thank you, Chair Stevens, and I might ask you to repeat the first part, since it didn't start as a question, but let me start with the time loss challenge. As I said, we are a research--we do do lots of funded research, NIH, NSF, DOD (Department of Defense), others, and the fact that this far into the pandemic, only about half our labs are back online at all, and only about 35 percent of our faculty and students who are normally paid on funded grants are active in their labs, is saying to us that the challenge here isn't simply replacing the 2-1/2 or 3 months that we were out of our labs, it's that it's very difficult, and you heard this a bit from Ryan, to re-think about how you structure experiments that usually require people to stand right next to each other, or share a given instrument, to do that when they have to stay 6 feet apart. I mean, we have State rules that govern how we can practice research, and, in doing that, we're seeing that a lot of the research that we're trying to do is simply impossible with the old ways, and we haven't yet found the new ways. We are challenging ourselves every day to think about how can we do that experiment without violating State rules, without putting students and faculty at risk of COVID-19, which nobody wants. So as we think about the needs for the agencies to give us sort of what's been called, you know, for cost extensions, or full cost extensions, it isn't simply going to be for the time that was physically lost in the lab, it's going to need to also cover the challenges that we have in overcoming how you do research this way, because we can't do it, in many cases, in the old way. This is equally a challenge at OU. The reason I focused on the undergraduate pipeline is that that's critical, and undergraduate research isn't funded usually by grants, but is funded by the States, and that's our bigger challenge. Chairwoman Stevens. Well, we--we're right at time, David, so I'm going to stop there, but I will loop back at the end there on that first question. And then, with that, I'm going to pass it over to Dr. Baird, to keep us on time, for 5 minutes of questioning. Mr. Baird. Dr. Mayer, in order not to get into your time, in your testimony you state you're leading the COVID-19 response for the university-wide research enterprise at Purdue University, and I know that President Daniels has called the school back, and the students, they have had quite a challenge, and made a tremendous effort over the summer to bring the students back. So would you briefly discuss some of the key aspects of Purdue's response, and how you're coordinating these all across Purdue's multiple campuses? Dr. Mayer. Thank you, Ranking Member Baird, for asking about the integrated response. It has--I think I begin by saying that I think for most of us involved in the response we--and, as you probably say, the--a COVID day is equivalent to about a week or normal time, so it has been a very intense and integrated response. The timeline for the research response did move quite differently than the academic response. We ramped down over a course of 3 weeks, as we--as I indicated, shut down or ramped down activities remaining with critical research activities. We were fortunate, in the State of Indiana, that we were able to maintain a fairly large level of activity. We had over 400 labs that were able to continue to work at reduced capacity. And one thing that I'd really like to emphasize, I think this came up before, is that our entire enterprise, from our faculty to our students, they are flexible and agile, and they've worked incredibly efficiently to make the best of a very bad situation, spending the 3 weeks, as we gave them advance warning about the ramp down, trying to wind down experiments, collect data so that they could continue to work efficiently for what was, at that point, an undefined period of time. But I think that that has really been beneficial in ensuring that there was some degree of continuity. We've pointed out that oftentimes missing critical--a lab member can really disrupt the research, and that has definitely been the case. Briefly turning our attention to the ramp up, it really was a whole of university approach, including the other campuses, and that we had to, as the research enterprise--it's not simply about the research labs. And one thing that I'd like to point out is that we oftentimes think of research labs as people in white coats next to wet benches, but in a--in our research enterprise, recall that we are really the feeder to all industry sectors. What that means is everything from agriculture, people working in the field, to people conducting biomedical research, all the way to doing engine research, and those labs are all distinct. So through this process we worked with, as Dr. Walsh pointed out, our individual groups in order to customize the safety measures that they needed to put in place so that we could meet the safety criteria so that our faculty and our students could come back and continue the very important work that they're doing. We focused on continuing to de-densify campus, and so even though we have moved to re-open labs, and I did do a poll of our Big Ten, the range of opening right now is everywhere from 50 percent to providing access to labs, but that does not mean that the labs look the way that they did before. We're operating--many are operating remotely. We are asking our students, whenever possible, to work remotely, and we have to reduce the overall capacity at any given time, so that's really changing the way that we're doing work. We're moving into what we're calling the new pandemic normal, and so the amount of effort--I think this was an earlier question. COBRA did a very interesting study, and projected that the cost of doing research under the new pandemic normal, under these modified operating conditions, will be higher than previously, so we need to take all of these measures into consideration. But it has been a whole of university approach. There's not a single group that we haven't worked with, and I just really want to, once again, recognize all of the tremendous faculty, and students, and post-docs for all of the efforts, and trying to make the best out of a very bad situation. Thank you. Mr. Baird. I appreciate you remind me of the term de- densify. That's what we use in this situation, de-tensify. So I yield back. Chairwoman Stevens. Great. And, with that, recognizing Chairwoman Johnson for 5 minutes of questions. Chairwoman Johnson. Thank you very--am I muted? Can you hear me? Chairwoman Stevens. Yeah, we can hear you just fine. Chairwoman Johnson. OK. Thank you very much. I guess I would like to point this question to all of our witnesses, but most especially to Mr. Muzzio. I'm very concerned about the potential loss of talent due to the contraction of the academic work market. The unprecedented financial strain on universities has led some institutions to implement hiring freezes, which threatens to derail recent graduates and post-docs at a critical point in their career. This potentially irreversible loss of talent from the research pipeline could have lasting negative consequences for the U.S. innovation and economic competitiveness. Can you talk about what is needed to help the recent Ph.D. recipients weather this crisis? And I know that several Members of the Committee have introduced this bill to establish a new $250 million fellowship program at the National Science Foundation. Could you also give us some thoughts on this bill and the Supporting of Early Career Researchers Act? So let me--I'd like to hear from all of you, but I'd especially like to hear from Mr. Muzzio. Mr. Muzzio. Thank you very much for that question. So I will say that I definitely support, and I know that the Carnegie Mellon Graduate Student Assembly, and the MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) Graduate Student Council, both support this bill. And I think that it will certainly allow these fine students, who are, for one, as I said, very good at what they do, as they are the expert in their field, but also they are struggling to graduate. And so-- I'll get to that point in a second, but if they are able to take this money with them and be funded through the NSF, and bring themselves to a different lab, this will certainly help them, there's no question about it. And they will be able to--I think that that will open up doors, as I said. But, to kind of go back to my earlier point about them struggling, one student in particular reached out to me and was telling me that he's trying to graduate. It's already been pushed--his graduation date has already been pushed back by 6 months or so, and--or, sorry, about 4 months, and he's trying to get data by going into the lab about once a week, which usually he's working 6 days a week, and then, on top of that, he's having to train students in an emergency way because during the whole summer he was unable to train his students, who are being introduced into the lab. And so now he's looking at the situation as, one, where will I go after I graduate, with less data than I want to, with less papers than I want to, which is the fundamental going into the next step, but also how will I leave my lab in a good situation? Chairwoman Johnson. Thank you. Dr. Mayer. If I may? Chairwoman Johnson. Next witness. Dr. Mayer. Congressman Johnson, this is Theresa Mayer---- Chairwoman Johnson. Yes. Dr. Mayer [continuing]. From Purdue University. I want to add a point that I think is very important to make, and you made earlier, which is, if we look at the downstream opportunities currently for the academic enterprise, polling all of the Big Ten, and this is not uncommon, we are largely under a hiring freeze scenario for new faculty, and so the pipeline, the opportunities, the downstream opportunities, are simply not there. The different industry sectors are being impacted differently, some continuing to hire, while others not in a position to hire, and so the support, particularly of the Early Career Researchers Act, is an essential part of the solution to ensure that we maintain continuity and provide opportunities to weather the storm, and allow our enterprises to recover to provide those downstream opportunities for our best and brightest to continue in that pipeline. Chairwoman Johnson. Thank you very much. Any further comments? Dr. Walsh. I'll keep mine very short. This is a critical time in people's careers, when they're just finishing their Ph.D., and having the support that is in the Supporting Early Career Researchers Act is really exciting, and will help an incredible number of students who have put an incredible amount of time into their STEM education, and allow them to move forward, and really provide the return on investment that the U.S. Government and the taxpayers have already put into each of these folks. Chairwoman Johnson. Thank you very much. I yield back. Thank you. Chairwoman Stevens. Great. Thank you, Chairwoman Johnson. With that, we'll recognize Ranking Member Lucas for 5 minutes of questions. Mr. Lucas. Thank you, Chair. Dr. Walsh, in your testimony you emphasized the need for U.S. research relief funding to maintain the continuality of research across disciplines, to maintain the flow of talent from within and to the U.S., and to continue to fuel innovation in vital national prosperity and security. You also mentioned that foreign government investment in research has not halted, but, in fact, has increased in many countries during this time. Could you speak to how China's research enterprise is recovering from the crisis, and, while you're thinking about that, also elaborate on how the pandemic would impact global competitiveness if we see dramatic shifts in research investments around the world. Dr. Walsh. Representative Lucas, that's--those are great questions. Regarding China, I would note that Xi Jinping gave a talk within the last few weeks, and he said that China must make breakthroughs in core technologies as quickly as possible, and he was making that statement in regard to the changes that occurred in the global landscape, in part due to COVID, and in part due to international relationships. There's a history within China of taking those statements and turning them into action, and I think that none of us would be surprised to see that those actions move forward. Regarding China, I think we will absolutely see activity. I don't, frankly, know what they're doing right now, but it is clear that that messaging-- that that was clear messaging that came out of the leadership in China. I think you're also going to see a time when there are very heterogeneous responses to COVID-19. Certainly one of the things that we have seen in the United States is that different universities have different responses to COVID-19. You've got a couple of them represented here, and, as Dr. Mayer has stated, within the Big Ten, and actually across the major research universities. You know, she and I have done a lot of--had a lot of conversations with folks, and seen many different ways of doing things. Some of these universities are going to pick paths that move them forward quickly. By the same token, I think you're going to see countries that look at the landscape here and decide how much of an opportunity there is to advance their research, which is what the point of this conversation is about, and their economies. So the question is, how much of this is an opportunity to move forward, and how do we move that forward? I must applaud Congress in moving forward with the RISE Act, which will allow the research that has already been funded to be completed, and it won't stop the research that has been proposed from moving forward also. I'll yield to others. Mr. Lucas. Dr. Mayer and Dr. Walsh both on this question, speaking of the nature of universities, I'm a land grant university graduate, very proud of that, from Oklahoma State University. Given that both Purdue and the University of Illinois are land grant institutions, can you elaborate on the role they played in supporting their communities as they battle coronavirus, and how your institutions have continued to serve community engagement during these trying months? Because, after all, it's research, it's education extension, the land grant principles. Either one of you. Dr. Mayer. Thank you, Chairman Lucas. I really appreciate you asking that question. The engagement portion of our mission is an essential--the third leg of the stool, so to speak, for our land grant institutions, and we've continued to support, in multiple ways, including through our agricultural extension, working hand in hand with our communities around the State, continuing to ensure that--understandings from disruptions due to COVID as individual farmers are concerned about supply chain disruption. We also have a manufacturing extension program that is very actively engaged. They worked hand in hand with small manufacturers across the State to basically transition to being able to help to supply critical PPE to the country. We also have a health care advisor team that is working with communities. Particularly, I think, what we're finding is that during the COVID time we are finding increased use of opioids, and they work hand in hand with our public health officials in individual communities to really try to engage in educational opportunities as we think about the interrelation between drug addiction, mental health, and our--the current crisis that we're facing. Mr. Lucas. With that, Chair, I see my time's expired. This has been a very worthwhile hearing, and I remind my colleagues the U.S. Congress controls the purse strings. Yield back. Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you. And, with that, the Chair is going to recognize Dr. Bill Foster for 5 minutes of questions. Mr. Foster. Well, thank you, Chairwoman Stevens, and Ranking Member Baird, and our witnesses for joining us today. And I'd like to continue Ranking Member Lucas's observations about the importance to note the contributions that university researchers are making to combat COVID-19 in their communities and their States. Dr. Walsh, the University of Illinois system has developed a comprehensive approach, which is called SHIELD, that includes rapid saliva tests that are developed at Urbana-Champaign, and is being performed on as many as 15,000 students per day. And I was especially at how quickly this has been deployed to other smaller institutions, such as Northern Illinois University, which I believe at least one of our witnesses has some history with. And, you know, although the SHIELD Program itself has been entirely funded by the U of I, and indirectly by the much- maligned State of Illinois, Federal grants helped develop the ecosystem that allowed for this rapid development. Dr. Walsh, can you explain how Federal funding contributed directly and indirectly to this breakthrough, and how the Federal Government can help expand SHIELD and programs like it? Dr. Walsh. Representative Foster, thank you very much. You're right, we developed very quickly a saliva-based test for COVID-19 that has sensitivity and specificity that's sufficient to help us mitigate the spread of the virus, that has a turnaround time that allows us to isolate and quarantine folks quickly, that we can do in reasonably high frequency, so it's low cost, and it's non-invasive because it's saliva-based. The whole process started in late March, actually. These were federally-funded researchers who were doing work on other viruses, or a variety of different chemical reactions, and they pivoted their work to develop a new way of doing polymerase chain reaction, PCR-based measures of the nucleic acids within the viruses. That work, as I said, pivoted, and within a month or so, using labs that had been federally-funded for a long period of time, came up with a new method of isolating the RNA within those viruses. Then there was a question of where does the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign put a lab that can do human testing? And the answer was, well, we have a veterinary school, we can do it there. So there was a veterinary lab that had been federally-funded for quite some time that was repurposed for human testing, and that's where the tests are being run. Fast forward to now, as you mentioned, we're testing up to 15,000 a day. The average is actually 70,000 a week, and we're catching very early in the process folks who are usually asymptomatic-- not usually, almost entirely asymptomatic, but carriers of the virus, and we're isolating them from the rest of the community, contract tracing, and moving their contacts to quarantine. We've spread this across other universities, the publics, the R-2s and R-3s across our State, and we are now talking also with communities across the State of Illinois. So, going back to the land grant mission, we view this very much within our land grant mission to spread the use of this technology quickly across the State so that others could take advantage of the ability to detect COVID-19, too---- Mr. Foster. Well, thank you, that's a real success story that we shouldn't be shy about letting the world know about. You know, I am also very worried that we're going to see a so- called K-shaped recovery, where the wealthy institutions with billion-dollar endowments recover relatively quickly, while the smaller, less wealthy universities get left behind. And, you know, Dr. Walsh, you actually published an opinion column that touched on this, about how the pandemic is transforming the entire research ecosystem, and so I was interested in, you know, what are some of the implications of that transformation, and what should we do--in Congress be doing about this? And, you know, in particular, and this is, I guess, a question for any witness who wants to take it, you know, given the disparate impact of COVID on--in different fields, you know, for example, researchers in computational biology, field biology, or laboratory biology would be impacted very differently by COVID, is it better for Congress and the agencies to distribute relief directly as grants to researchers and students, or to contribute the relief funds to research institutions, and let the institutions allocate that money to their researchers and labs? Or do we do a mixture of both? Does anyone have an opinion on what the best approach is there? Dr. Walsh. I see the time that we have here, and I'm going to keep this---- Mr. Foster. OK. Dr. Walsh [continuing]. Short. I think you give it to the researchers. I think that, you know, you give it, through the agencies, to the researchers, and, for the most part, that's the best way to move forward on this. But I would love to hear others' opinion. Mr. Foster. OK. Thank you, and anyone who wants to respond for the record, please feel free, because we're faced with that kind of decision all the time in these emergency relief programs. Thank you, yield back. Chairwoman Stevens. I swear 5 minutes is not the same 5 minutes over virtual as it is in the hearing room. It's a shorter 5 minutes, so thank you, Bill, that was--those are great, and we do want to keep gnawing on that, so why don't we try and get that for the record? But, with that, we've got a couple other Subcommittee Members in the queue, and we're going to start with Congressman Balderson. 5 minutes of questions. Mr. Balderson. Thank you, Madam Chair Stevens. Good to see you this afternoon, early afternoon. Thank you, panel, for being here. My questions are for the whole panel, and anybody can just take the liberty to jump in, Columbus is home to one of Nation's largest and most vital research institutions, the Ohio State University (OSU). It is essential to my district, and the Nation, that researchers at OSU are able to continue their great work in partnership with the Federal Government and private partners. I'm hoping you all could tell us a bit about how each of your institutions have been navigating this crisis from the beginning. In terms of strategies to overcome the challenges posed by COVID-19, what have you found that has worked, and what has not worked? I believe the collective knowledge of your experiences could ensure the entire research apparatus continues to succeed in these trying times. And any of the panelists may start off. Mr. Muzzio. I can give a little bit of background what it was like to be in the lab. So, upon returning from the canceled March meeting, I was working in the lab, trying to do as much as I could, knowing the impending shutdown of the lab, and we eventually had to close all of the labs and go home, and work from home for about two or so months. And during that time, apart from the lack of productivity, we started to write up documents and order PPE equipment just in preparation for all of the things that we were going to have to do in order to be safe. So we, my lab, were approved to be one of the first labs back onto campus, and that--the way that we did that is by applying, and it went through many sectors of people who are experts in this sort of information, which I can get more information later, but not right now, of who they are. But we went through all of them, and we were finally approved, and so ultimately we are now in the lab, and there's other labs that are back, but we all have our protocols, and we're all, you know, signing into different--or you have to sign in to all the different doors and everything like that to ensure that people are safe, and to minimize this risk. But there's always that impending potential for the lab to shut down again. So that's my experience---- Dr. Mayer. I'll just add a---- Mr. Balderson. Thank you. Dr. Mayer. I'll add a few words. I described our experience at Purdue. During my oral remarks, I underscored the strong collaboration. That was a strong collaboration. Regular bulletin boards, our listservs, were lighting up virtually every minute for periods of time, particularly during the ramp down. That included the Big Ten Academic Alliance, and so in regular contact with my counterpart at Ohio State and other universities. And, in fact, we iterated with one another to inform and learn as different people were in different stages of both the ramp down as well as the recovery. I also want to underscore the importance of the APLU, the American--well, the Association for Public and Land Grant Universities, which is a network of public institutions across the country that includes R-1s and R-2s, and I think, through that network, once again, we were able to share best practices, and so it's been a highly collaborative and engaged process, and continues to be. When I was preparing, I very rapidly reached out to the Big Ten, and had immediate responses in terms of just being able to share where they are in the recovery. Mr. Balderson. Thank you. Dr. Walsh. I want--just a couple quick things. Actually, virtual meetings are interesting, in the sense that they work, in a lot of ways, really well. You can go and you can listen to a talk that you wouldn't normally be able to go to because it's really easy to get there, OK? There are aspects of it that don't work, because you can't do networking there, but there are aspects that work. Opening up the labs has actually worked really well. The coronavirus is not spreading in the labs. These are folks, you know, we have a grad student here, who know how to put on protective equipment, and know how to use it, and you don't get a lot of spread of the virus. What doesn't work for those students, especially for the new students, is training them. It's hard to stand shoulder to shoulder with a brand-new student and teach them how to turn a knob, how to, you know, how to operate a piece of equipment, and especially how to do that safely. The other thing that's not working really well is core facilities. I mentioned that earlier. Representative Foster asked where should the money go, researchers or institutions? Core facilities. A nanofabrication lab, you have to have funding for that that goes directly to the institution to fund that sort of thing. All right. Mr. Balderson. Thank you all very much. Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens. Chairwoman Stevens. Yeah, great question, great responses. And, with that, we've got Congressman Anthony Gonzalez here for 5 minutes of questions. Mr. Gonzalez. Hello. Thank you, Madam Chair, for convening this hearing, and thank you, everybody, for all that you're doing during this pandemic. Certainly a unique time. I wanted to start with Dr. Walsh, if I could, or anybody who has insight on this. It's obviously been a massive disruption, from a research standpoint, but, you know, what are we learning from other countries with respect to how to continue the research enterprise, and are we falling behind? I think it's obvious that, you know, our research enterprise is being damaged by the COVID-19 pandemic in certain ways, but, relative to our competitor nations, how do you feel we're stacking up, and what can we learn from them, in terms of overcoming these barriers, and getting back on par? Dr. Walsh. So, you know, there's a couple of answers to that question. One is, frankly, it's early to tell exactly what every country is doing. I'm not sure you were in the room earlier, I mentioned that China is looking to move forward in funding of core technologies, which generally I would take as AI, quantum---- Mr. Gonzalez. Yeah. Dr. Walsh [continuing]. Those sorts of technologies. And, you know, I suspect what you will find is that other nations will put substantial resources at this time into technologies that will move their ecosystems, in particular their innovation ecosystems, their economic ecosystems, and their national security, that they will move those forward. That's what I expect. Mr. Gonzalez. Thank you. And, you know, I think you highlighted a longstanding issue, which is one that I've been talking about in this Committee for the last year and a half, or almost two years now, which is chronic underfunding, and lack of focus, in my opinion, from the Federal Government with respect to how we fund our research enterprise. I'm somebody who wants to significantly increase the funding that we provide to the basic research space because it's, you know, it's my opinion that that's an investment, that's money incredibly well spent. And, you know, in a world where we're competing on every major technological innovation with the Chinese Communist Party, those are fights that we need to win, frankly, and so I appreciate what you said there. Also in your testimony you mentioned the need, or not the need, but the necessity to reimagine operating assumptions with respect to our research enterprise as a result of COVID-19. What could you share in that vein that we all should know about, and, you know, what learnings might we be able to pass on to the broader research community as a result of some of these sort of changed operating assumptions, if you will? Dr. Walsh. Yeah, I don't think any of us would've imagined that we would hold a congressional hearing in the way that we're doing this. Mr. Gonzalez. Yeah. Dr. Walsh. I think there are a lot of things that we just couldn't imagine doing, you know, the better part of a year ago. We would've all just said this is crazy. I mentioned earlier you could do virtual meetings. Dr. Mayer and I are involved with University-Industry Demonstration Program, UIDP. It sprung out of the National Academies a few years ago. They very quickly pivoted to a virtual meeting, in March and it went really well. And what went well about that is that people could attend that meeting who couldn't normally attend because their institution didn't have enough funding for them to attend. So I think what we're going to see is we're going to see remote meetings, you're going to see remote seminars. You're going to also see some remote experiments that are done in ways that couldn't be done previously. You know, you're going to have a collaborator someplace that you're going to send a sample to, and they're going to set it up, and you're not going to have to travel, and actually things are going to get more efficient because of that. We wouldn't have necessarily thought of that previously, but I think we're now in a place where we're being forced to think differently, think outside the box, and folks aren't saying, you're crazy to do that. Frankly, we're in a position where we're allowed to do this. So, you know, back to one of the points I've been making, there's real opportunity here, and we have to figure out what those opportunities are. Mr. Gonzalez. Great. Thank you for that, and I agree, although I will say in person hearings are significantly more effective, in my opinion. But, that being said, I will yield back. Thank you. Chairwoman Stevens. It's because the 5 minutes goes quicker over virtual, so---- Mr. Gonzalez [continuing]. But you're probably right. Chairwoman Stevens. No, great questions by our Subcommittee Members. And, you know, listen, this is a popular topic, and everyone's all excited about this legislation we're doing, and these great topics, and this is why we're on this Committee. And now we've got 5 minutes of questions from Congresswoman Bonamici of Oregon here, so pass it over to her. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you so much, Chairwoman Stevens, and thanks to the Ranking Member, but thank you to all the witnesses. I strongly support the bipartisan bills we're talking about today, the RISE Act, and the Supporting Early Career Researchers Act, and I'll continue to advocate for their passage, hopefully in a coronavirus relief package. But I wanted to talk--Mr. Muzzio, thank you so much for being here and sharing your perspective. I recall a few years ago talking with a Ph.D. candidate who was working with NSF and NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration). Because of the 2013 government shutdown, she missed the window in which to launch her balloon from Antarctica, and her research was set back a year. That shutdown lasted 17 days, so if you multiply that times--so much longer now that we've been dealing with the pandemic--I've been hearing from graduate students, like you, who have been forced to set aside their research because of the pandemic. And this spring, my alma mater, the University of Oregon, the physical distancing requirements forced graduate students in education to halt observations in classrooms that are used to inform their research. We had archaeology students lose the opportunity to participate in scheduled summer digs. Those students aren't alone. According to the recent estimates from the Council on Government Relations, research universities are seeing somewhere between a 20 to 40 percent research output loss just between March of this year and February of next year. So in your testimony you talked about how these disruptions to the academic experience have the potential to reduce the number of people who continue in science, ultimately leading to the loss of valuable talent. So how can Congress better support graduate students in not only restarting your research, but also restoring confidence in the Federal research enterprise to support the next generation of students? Mr. Muzzio. Thank you very much for that question, and thank you for the support on those two bills. And I think that the--currently, the thing that will have the most immediate and long-lasting support for graduate students who need it the most right now will be to support those two bills, the RISE Act, as well as the Supporting Early Careers Researchers, and--or Act. And, you know, to support that yourself, but also to get other people on board with it as well, and--so to have these discussions and, like, hold hearings like this. And I thank you so much, and--for having this, for allowing us to have our voice heard. Ms. Bonamici. We appreciate your voice very much. And I saw a lot of heads nodding in the affirmative when my colleague was talking about increasing the funding for Federal research. Absolutely agree with that. Dr. Walsh, Oregon State University is one of the Nation's leading oceanographic institutions. It operates an oceangoing research vessel program, and prior to the pandemic, OSU scientists were scheduled to sail three international ocean discovery program expeditions this year on an NSF vessel. All expeditions are postponed at least a year. That creates a sort of domino effect for delays and cancellations for in demand research that's already been scheduled. So, in your testimony, you noted that most researchers have had their work temporarily halted, derailed, and some regressed. What are the consequences of disrupting the continuity of research in the short term? How will those disruptions affect our ability to solve the world's most challenging programs--or, excuse me, like the climate crisis, for example, in the long term? Dr. Walsh. Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of heterogeneity here, but in oceanography--and just as background, I grew up in Woods Hole, so there's an oceanographic institution there--what ends up happening is they don't go out, and there's almost always a seasonal component to that work, and therefore, just as your example of a student not being able to launch a balloon at a particular time period, you're going to lose either a significant amount of time greater than what you would think, or a whole year for that sort of work. So, in those sorts of cases, the loss is really significant. And this is why the RISE Act would be tremendously helpful, and the Supporting Early Career Researchers Act would be really helpful, so that you have continuity of these programs. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you. And, as the clock ticks down, Dr. Walsh, I want to thank you for your study about the unequal effects of COVID-19 on women, and you note that female scientists with young children experienced a substantial decline in time devoted to research. I've been working on this issue, so I'm glad you acknowledge the importance of addressing the need for affordable child care. It comes up in economic development conversations. We won't restart our economy without access to child care. It's something the House has recognized, we passed the Childcare Is Essential Act. And I know that time's about to expire, so if you can't get an answer in, I'm going to ask if you would submit for the record, do you see a role for higher education institutions in helping to fill the need for child care as a way to help close the gender gap in science? Dr. Walsh. Short answer, yes. Ms. Bonamici. Terrific, thank you. Thanks so much, and I yield back. Thank you, Madam Chair. Chairwoman Stevens. Great. Great to have you here. And, with that, the Chair's going to pass it over to Congressman Garcia for 5 minutes of questions. Mr. Garcia. Thank you, Madam Chair, I appreciate it. Thank you for the panel joining us today, very important discussions. I'm a proud co-sponsor of the ``Early Career Researchers Act'' myself, so this is of critical importance as we navigate this really uncharted waters. I really appreciate you guys taking the time. Most of my questions have actually been addressed already, so I'll just simply ask a question I think that Dr. Mayer was touching on earlier. You were mentioning, Doctor, effectively the second and third order effects as they touch adjacent industries, whether it's the agricultural businesses, the pharmaceuticals. What I'm wondering, and this is really directed to any of you, have you seen any telltales or indications of impacts to national security as the result of the strains or delays in any of the research that we're seeing at any of these major universities? The reason I bring that up is because that does help us provide more of an impetus beyond some of the research that we've been discussing here, and can help us really translate that to the average American when we start talking about how this affects frankly, our Nation's security. So I'm just wondering if we've seen any telltales of that, or if it's still too early in the development stages of some of the technology you're dealing with. Dr. Mayer. I will begin. Just as we touched on the other areas of research, the critical work that universities conduct in support of national security has been impacted as well. If you look at--particularly as we look at the areas--the 11 modernization areas for the Department of Defense, I think many of our institutions did have that as part of our critical research---- Mr. Garcia. Um-hum. Dr. Mayer [continuing]. Lists, so, during the ramp down, we worked very diligently to try to keep that research moving, at least in a limited capacity, so we didn't lose access to key facilities. We have been conducting work in hypersonics research, for example, and we were able to keep our wind tunnels operating at limited capacity to continue studies. Microelectronics is key to the backbone of our national security, so--as we're looking at all of these areas. But they really suffered the same level of impact, in terms of lab closures, in terms of delays in protocols, so it--we didn't see substantial differences. Mr. Garcia. OK, thank you. Dr. Walsh. So, you know, the one quick thing I would say is that, for national security, and the reason that we've done well in this country, is we have really great people who are involved in that, and we have really great technologies. Mr. Garcia. Absolutely, yeah. Dr. Walsh. And, you know, and so what you're getting at is the key component here, and that is, you know, basic research provides new technologies, and really great people, you know, the soon to be Dr. Muzzio and his colleagues at Carnegie Mellon, and across the country. So the two acts that are moving forward will help mitigate the impact of COVID-19 on potentially national security issue. Mr. Garcia. Absolutely. Thank you guys, and thanks again for your hard work through this very difficult time. I'm sure we will do everything we can to support you, and I really appreciate you guys taking the time there. Madam Chair, I yield back. Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you, Congressman Garcia. And, with that, we've got at least one more Member with questions, and that's Sean Casten, Congressman Casten from Illinois. Mr. Casten. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you all so much. Dr. Walsh, I want to follow up on some of what you talked about with my colleague, Mr. Foster. I think what you guys have done with saliva testing is awesome, but I'm wondering if you could personalize it a little bit for us. Am I correct, are you based at--on the--over on the Champaign campus? Dr. Walsh. I'm with the system, so I'm on all three campuses. Mr. Casten. OK. Well, for someone who is a part of that campus, I mean, the numbers mean something, but if you're based full time on that campus, whether student or faculty, how often are you tested? Dr. Walsh. Twice a week. Mr. Casten. And how long does it take for your test results to get back? Dr. Walsh. So the short answer right now is longer than we want, which is about a day. We're trying to get that down to about 6 hours. Mr. Casten. Wow. And if someone tests positive, what do you do, practically? Dr. Walsh. So when they test--when the test results come out, the positives are turned over to the Public Health Department--actually, all the data flow to the Public Health Department--and those are the folks who get in contact with the students to tell them, or faculty or staff, if they happen to be positive. Then there's an isolation component that occurs, so if the student is living in a dorm, we have dorms in which we can isolate them. If it's a faculty or staff member, then we ask them to isolate at home. We also contact trace, and that's done in a couple of different ways, but then those who are close contacts are quarantined. Mr. Casten. What I find sort of so cool and so depressing about that is that at the start of this pandemic we had a lot of experts testifying that we should do as a country exactly what you are now doing, you know, rapid testing of everybody, identify, isolate, contact trace. And kudos to you all for doing it, shame on us for not. You know, I know our office is working with some of you guys about trying to do some of the rollouts. Can you help us understand, what is constraining your ability to massively ramp this up, and what, if anything, could lead you to remove those barriers in Congress? Dr. Walsh. Yeah. So we've broken up the rollout of SHIELD, which is what Representative Foster indicated is the name of this. So SHIELD is on campus. It's being rolled across the State of Illinois beyond the campuses, and rolled out beyond the State of Illinois so there's three different levels at which we're doing it. The biggest challenges that we have are some supply chain issues, in particular with equipment, and also, frankly, just training of people to stand up this whole operation. It is really not just testing. It is an entire program where you figure out who you want to test, you arrange for them to be tested, which means you have to go collect a specimen from them, and then you have the data--so you have a chain of custody all the way from the beginning, when they walk in before you, to when you get the results to them, and to the public health officials. So, you know, the testing is just one of the hard parts. There are many other hard parts to this that, very candidly, we're learning every day how difficult this really is, especially when we move from a couple thousand a day to 15,000 a day. Mr. Casten. Full disclosure, when this hearing ends, I am--I'm off to go meet with some of your colleagues to inspect some labs up in Northern Illinois that might be able to provide at least a de-bottleneck up here for some of the community, so it's--let us know what we can help, and if you have thoughts on those bottlenecks. The last thing, just with the time we have left, and I don't know if you're--you feel sort of qualified to answer this or not, but, if I'm understanding right, you are doing the first really large scale testing of asymptomatic populations. Is it--maybe it's too soon, but are you learning anything about the virus, and how it spreads, and its dormancy from this population, or, if you aren't, are there things you expect to learn from the fact that you now are testing everybody, not just the people who are symptomatic or were exposed? Dr. Walsh. Yeah. So there were a few things that we've learned. Yeah, there are events--this isn't a huge surprise-- there are events that are sort of super-spreader events, and we've certainly seen those on our campus. I would say there's one other part to this, and that is we stood this up not only at three campuses, but also a small university in Southern Illinois in a relatively sparsely populated county, Bond County, which has about 17,000 people, and at Greenville University, which has about 700 folks, and they came in with the same positivity rate that we've seen at other places, 1 percent, and the short version is they're not spreading within their campus right now. The only new positives they've had are people coming from the outside. So we have learned that if you find the people who are positive, and you remove them from the community, then, big surprise, the virus doesn't spread. Mr. Casten. From your lips to God's ears. Thank you, and I yield back. Chairwoman Stevens. Great. Well, with that, we've reached the conclusions of our questions, but certainly not the conclusion of this topic. And it's fair to say that this hearing's been very, very informative, and so we want to thank our witnesses for leaning in with us. I'd also say, to what Dr. Stone mentioned in his testimony, particularly around the need for COVID funding to support State budgets, that end up impacting university budgets. It's been amazing to see what-- the talent coming out of all of these research institutions, and the talent that one of our soon to be Ph.D.'s is bringing to his research enterprise, and in particular the rapid adjustments that our researchers have had to make, and also the impacts that their talents have brought to combatting COVID-19, or addressing COVID-19. Obviously it's nice to hear your overview, Dr. Walsh, and we've heard from Dr. Foster and, you know, at length about some of the work that you all are doing with the University of Illinois system. I would also say, even as a smaller research institution and university with Oakland University, it--just hats off to all of you. You know, we've seen OU grads form testing companies, and implementing different strategies across the country, as well as what all of you are doing as a smaller university, and so it's really important, to me, having had the experience now as a Congresswoman, and in this Committee, but also previous to coming into Congress, having worked with all of you, and--not--you personally, but your institutions, and remaining very excited and enthusiastic. And so we, you know, are going to continue to come up with the best and most cohesive strategies, one for human capital and our workforce potential, which is just such a precious asset for us here in the United States, and what we all care so much about. Dr. Baird and I were very pleased to have last year the Building blocks of STEM Act signed into law which we worked on together, and it's this joint collaboration, and the dialog that we insist on having in this Committee to lead to great results. So, with that, our record is going to remain open for 2 weeks, and this is for any additional statements from Members, or questions that they might have of you, and so we'll--we can do some questions for the record. And thank you all so much to your dedication to your professions. This just--is why we're here doing this work, and, of course, we appreciate that it's very Midwestern focused, so it's nice having colleagues from across the country, you know, seeing what we're doing here in the heartland. That was not intentional at all, but it's a-- just really a testament to the work that all of you do. And so, with that, thank you all so much, and I'm going to close out this hearing, and the witnesses are excused, and the hearing is now adjourned. Thank you. Thank you all so much. [Whereupon, at 1:17 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.] Appendix I ---------- Answers to Post-Hearing Questions Answers to Post-Hearing Questions Responses by Dr. David Stone [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Responses by Dr. Theresa Mayer [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Appendix II ---------- Additional Material for the Record Letter submitted by Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]