[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] THE IMPACT OF CORONAVIRUS ON AMERICA'S SMALL BUSINESSES ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ HEARING HELD MARCH 10, 2020 __________ [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Small Business Committee Document Number 116-078 Available via the GPO Webster: www.govinfo.gov _________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 39-966 WASHINGTON : 2020 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS NYDIA VELAZQUEZ, New York, Chairwoman ABBY FINKENAUER, Iowa JARED GOLDEN, Maine ANDY KIM, New Jersey JASON CROW, Colorado SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas JUDY CHU, California MARC VEASEY, Texas DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania BRAD SCHNEIDER, Illinois ADRIANO ESPAILLAT, New York ANTONIO DELGADO, New York CHRISSY HOULAHAN, Pennsylvania ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota STEVE CHABOT, Ohio, Ranking Member AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN, American Samoa, Vice Ranking Member TROY BALDERSON, Ohio KEVIN HERN, Oklahoma JIM HAGEDORN, Minnesota PETE STAUBER, Minnesota TIM BURCHETT, Tennessee ROSS SPANO, Florida JOHN JOYCE, Pennsylvania DAN BISHOP, North Carolina Melissa Jung, Majority Staff Director Justin Pelletier, Majority Deputy Staff Director and Chief Counsel Kevin Fitzpatrick, Staff Director C O N T E N T S OPENING STATEMENTS Page Hon. Nydia Velazquez............................................. 1 Hon. Steve Chabot................................................ 2 WITNESSES Dr. Jennifer Huang Bouey, Senior Policy Researcher, Tang Chair in China Policy Studies, RAND Corporation, Arlington, VA.......... 4 Mr. Jay M. Ellenby, President, Safe Harbors Business Travel, Bel Air, MD, testifying on behalf of the American Society of Travel Advisors (ASTA)................................................ 6 Mr. Andrew Chau, Co-Founder & CEO, Boba Guys, Brisbane, CA....... 7 Dr. Yanzhong Huang, Senior Fellow for Global Health, Council on Foreign Relations, Professor, Seton Hall University's School of Diplomacy and International Relations, Washington, DC.......... 9 APPENDIX Prepared Statements: Dr. Jennifer Huang Bouey, Senior Policy Researcher, Tang Chair in China Policy Studies, RAND Corporation, Arlington, VA......................................................... 29 Mr. Jay M. Ellenby, President, Safe Harbors Business Travel, Bel Air, MD, testifying on behalf of the American Society of Travel Advisors (ASTA).................................. 44 Mr. Andrew Chau, Co-Founder & CEO, Boba Guys, Brisbane, CA... 62 Dr. Yanzhong Huang, Senior Fellow for Global Health, Council on Foreign Relations, Professor, Seton Hall University's School of Diplomacy and International Relations, Washington, DC............................................. 64 Questions and Responses for the Record: Questions from Hon. Troy Balderson to Mr. Jay M. Ellenby and Responses from Mr. Jay M. Ellenby.......................... 70 Questions from Hon. Troy Balderson to Mr. Andrew Chau and Responses from Mr. Andrew Chau............................. 75 Questions from Hon. Troy Balderson to Dr. Yanzhong Huang and Responses from Dr. Yanzhong Huang.......................... 78 Additional Material for the Record: American Bus Association (ABA)............................... 80 Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America.......... 84 Statement of J.D. O'Hara..................................... 86 China Stopped Its Econony to Tacklet Coronavirus, Now the World Suffer.-The New York times........................... 91 THE IMPACT OF CORONAVIRUS ON AMERICA'S SMALL BUSINESSES ---------- TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 2020 House of Representatives, Committee on Small Business, Washington, DC. The Committee met, pursuant to call, at 11:33 a.m., in Room 2360, Rayburn House Office Building. Hon. Nydia Velazquez [chairwoman of the Committee] presiding. Present: Representatives Velazquez, Finkenauer, Golden, Kim, Crow, Davids, Chu, Evans, Schneider, Espaillat, Delgado, Houlahan, Craig, Chabot, Balderson, Hern, Hagedorn, Burchett, Spano, Joyce, and Bishop. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Good morning. The Committee will come to order. I want to thank everyone for joining us this morning, especially our witnesses for taking time to travel here to testify before the Committee. Not only has Coronavirus cost thousands of tragic deaths around the globe, this public health crisis also threatens the fabric of our economy, which is woven together by small businesses. Already, economists have lowered global forecasts with the dimmest outlooks predicting a fall from nearly 3 percent to just 1 percent growth due to the uncertainty and disruptions inflicted by the virus. Here in the U.S., because small businesses make up over 99 percent of all employers, we can expect that many will face hardship from this public health crisis. From the local barber shop to the neighborhood cafe, to the innovative small tech firm, a pandemic can mean fewer customers, supply chain disruption, and workforce reductions. For the travel and tourism industries, both of which are significant small business job creators, the outbreak of coronavirus has been estimated as the worst crisis since 9/11. In addition to hurting big retailers, like airlines, small retail shops, independently owned restaurants, and creational services are also seeing severe drops in customers. For companies that rely on imports from companies in China, the epicenter of the outbreak, the virus has broken up supply chains, forcing small businesses to reconsider their options for filling orders and meeting sales. Additionally, while businesses around the country take stock of their operational plan during a public health emergency, small businesses may be unable to absorb cuts in the workforce, causing them to scale back operations, ultimately reducing revenue. As the coronavirus spreads, so, too, does misinformation and alarm. For many businesses, particularly Asian-owned firms, this can be equally damaging. Because of fear, misinformation, and xenophobia, many Chinatown restaurants and stores in my city of New York were already feeling economic pain before even one person in New York tested positive for the virus. Merchants in Chinatown have reported sales drops as high as 80 percent. Many restaurants and retailers in Manhattan's Chinatown, Brooklyn's Sunset Park and Queens are already having to furlough staff and may have to let employees go. That is why I am proud that the Emergency Funding Bill, which included money for vaccines and testing, will also help small businesses access federal loans if they suffer losses related to the outbreak. This means that firms harmed by the virus could apply for emergency loans with extremely low interest rates to help them meet financial obligations. Just as the SBA helps local economies get back on their feet after a hurricane, wildfire, or earthquake, the agency can be critical to helping our small businesses recover from this public health crisis. In dealing with this public health issue, our number one goal is to contain the spread and ensure that those infected are treated and fully recover. One way to do that is to support paid sick leave. Having people go to work sick only increases the likelihood of transmission and further prolonging the decrease in demand for goods and services that small businesses provide. I look forward to hearing from our public health experts on the health challenges presented by the outbreak. However, we also understand that there will be an economic impact and that small firms will be among the hardest hit. I look forward to hearing your experiences and concerns. In my view, we should all be focused on preparedness, working together in a coordinated way, and providing accurate, reliable information to our small businesses and the American people. In the end, the stakes are too high, and the federal government cannot afford to get this wrong. I would now like to yield to the Ranking Member, Mr. Chabot, for his opening statement. Mr. CHABOT. Thank you, Madam Chair. And I appreciate you calling this hearing in for your early leadership on this issue. On January 30th, the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a public health emergency of international concern. On January 31st, Health and Human Services Secretary Azar declared a public health emergency. Undoubtedly, this virus is having an immediate and tangible impact on our Nation. In recent weeks, it has become obvious that our economy is not immune to the effects of the virus. We must summon every available resource of the U.S. Government to overcome the impact of the coronavirus epidemic on the U.S. economy. Diseases do not know borders, and COVID-19 is no exception. Over the past few months, global leaders have been ramping up efforts to improve international information sharing and cooperation. Last week, the House Foreign Affairs Committee passed the Global Health Security Act, a bipartisan bill that I introduced along with Democratic congressman, Gerry Connolly of Virginia. This bill strengthens our commitment to leadership on global health security and puts in place necessary personnel and systems to respond to pandemics like the coronavirus. As the COVID-19 spreads in the United States, the entire public health service must be operating at maximum capacity to combat this threat. Since 2015, Congress has made strategic investments in public health resources. We increased the NIH, National Institutes of Health funding by 39 percent, and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) funding by 24 percent. To minimize the impact of COVID-19, it is important to adhere to guidance provided by public health experts, whether it is from the CDC or our neighborhood healthcare professionals. Five days ago, Congress passed an emergency funding bill to support the administration's efforts in addressing COVID-19. That legislation included $20 million for economic injury, disaster loans (EIDLs) serviced by the SBA's Office of Disaster Assistance, which leads the Federal government's long-term economic recovery efforts. The SBA's Disaster Loan Program provides numerous direct loan options for disaster victims, including EIDLs, which provide working capital to small businesses affected by disasters to keep them afloat until they can resume normal operations. In this Committee, we will continue to consider any proposed assistance strategies to counter the negative economic impact of COVID-19 on America's small businesses. I want to thank all the witnesses for being here this morning. Thank you, Madam Chair, for holding this hearing. And I yield back my time. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chabot. The gentleman yields back. If Committee members have an opening statement prepared, we would ask that they be submitted for the record. I would like to take a minute to explain the timing rules. Each witness gets 5 minutes to testify and each member get 5 minutes for questioning. There is a lighting system to assist you. The green light will be on when you begin, and the yellow light will come on when you have 1 minute remaining. The red light comes on when you are out of time, and we ask that you stay within that timeframe to the best of your ability. I would now like to introduce our witnesses who have taken time away from their families and businesses to be here today for this important hearing. Our first witness is Dr. Jennifer Huang Bouey. Dr. Bouey is a senior policy researcher and Tang Chair in China Policy Studies at the RAND Corporation. As an epidemiologist with training in clinical medicine and quantitative methods, Dr. Bouey's research centers on Global Health Strategies and Social Detriments of Health. She received her M.P.H. and Ph.D. in Epidemiology from George Washington University and her MD from Peking University School of Medicine. Thank you for being here, Dr. Bouey. Our second witness is Mr. Jay M. Ellenby, the president of Safe Harbors Business Travel in Bel Air, Maryland. His passion for travel began when he explored the U.S. of America as a meteorologist. He has previously served as the Chairman of the American Society of Travel Advisors, Chairman of the Hartford County Chamber of Commerce, and Chairman of the Maryland Chamber of Commerce. Thank you for being here. Our third witness is Mr. Andrew Chau, co-founder and CEO of Boba Guys and Tea People USA. He has been featured as a top emerging business leader on CNN, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Vogue, and NPR. Prior to a career in consumer products goods and corporate marketing, Mr. Chau started his first startup in 2011. He has undergraduate and graduate degrees from UC Berkeley. We appreciate you being here today. I would now like to yield to our Ranking Member, Mr. Chabot, to introduce our final witness. Mr. CHABOT. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. And our final witness here this morning will be Yanzhong Huang. Dr. Huang is a senior fellow for Global Health at the Council on Foreign Relations. He is also a professor and director of Global Health Studies at the Seton Hall University's School of Diplomacy and International Relations. He is the founding editor of Global Health Governance, the scholarly journal for the New Health Security Paradigm. He has published numerous reports, journal articles, op eds, and book chapters on global health governance, health diplomacy, and health security. He has also authored the book, Governing Health in Contemporary China, which was published back in 2014. Dr. Huang obtained his BA and MA degrees from Fudan University and his PH degree from the University of Chicago. He has been quite busy with speaking requests lately, as you can imagine, so we are grateful that he is able to be with us today. And I yield back. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you. I will now recognize Dr. Bouey for your opening statement. STATEMENTS OF JENNIFER HUANG BOUEY, SENIOR POLICY RESEARCHER, TANG CHAIR IN CHINA POLICY STUDIES, RAND CORPORATION; JAY M. ELLENBY, PRESIDENT, SAFE HARBORS BUSINESS TRAVEL; ANDREW CHAU, CO-FOUNDER AND CEO, BOBA GUYS; YANZHONG HUANG, SENIOR FELLOW FOR GLOBAL HEALTH, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, PROFESSOR, SETON HALL UNIVERSITY'S SCHOOL OF DIPLOMACY AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS STATEMENT OF JENNIFER HUANG BOUEY Dr. BOUEY. Madam Chair Velazquez, Ranking Member Chabot, and members of the Committee, thank you for inviting me to testify today. We all know now that COVID-19 is a highly contagious disease that can cause 15 percent of the infected, severe clinical diseases and 1 to 2 percent of fatality. The first COVID-19 pneumonia cluster was reported from Wuhan, China in December, but in less than 3 months of time, the outbreaks are reported from over 100 countries on six continents. Without a vaccine and a proven treatment, the only public health interventions is social distancing. That is to keep the infected and the healthy separated and provide supportive medical care for the sick. China used unprecedented quarantine policies. Locked down cities, reduced the air, rail, and highway transportation. By January 29th, all 31 provinces in China have declared public health emergencies during the Chinese New Year. To this day, mandator 14-day quarantines for travelers are in effect in many cities in China. Outside China, more than 90 countries announced various types of travel bans. How will this impact small and medium businesses? In China, foodservice, tourism, hospitality, entertainment and retail industries suffered most during the holiday season. Revenues lost in service sectors during the Chinese New York week are reported to be 142 billion USD, about 1 percent of the GDP. It also caused immense shock that is still lingering till today. The small and medium business in China accounts for 80 percent of the employment in the country. As in most countries around the world, small and medium businesses are the engine of the economy. According to several Chinese surveys in February, about 2/3 of small businesses reported that they can only stay open for 1 to 2 months with their current cash flow. Most of the financial pressures are from paying the employees, paying the rent, and the loan repayment. The Central Government of China has launched several policies to help. The Central Bank has released 174 billion USD in February to ease the borrowing cost and the funds' availability. The interest rate was cut by a quarter percentage point to 2.5 percent. The State Council encouraged the private commercial banks to postpone interest payment on loans until the end of June and to defer the repayment of principal for the time-being. It also ordered the large state-owned banks to increase lending to small businesses at preferential rates. The local policy also helps. For example, Beijing Government announced exemptions on some rent payment for up to 2 months, reducing tax and fees for small and medium businesses. However, until last week, only 30 percent of the small businesses in China reported reopened. The difficulties they face, including the public health requirement for requirement, the 14-day self-quarantine requirement for travelers and migrants, and a weak market demand fractured supply chain and cash flow problems. So what does it mean to U.S. business? The global supply chain can suffer from COVID-19. China has the world's major production of chemicals, metals, textiles, and electronics. And seven of the top busiest ports in the world are in China. We are expecting some degrees of supply chain, as well as the logistic chain interruptions. The recovery time depends on how fast China can reopen the factories and the COVID-19 pandemic affects the world economy. Although the U.S. economy is very different from that of China, I still think there are some lessons the U.S. can learn. I gave about a dozen recommendations in my written testimony on epidemic controls and assistance to SMEs. Here, I will only highlight three. The first one, the SMEs are a critical part of the economy, and financially, they are more fragile when the market demand is down. Government should focus on helping SMEs during the public health crisis by lowering interest rates, defer or waive tax and fees, and easing the lending policies. Second, the health equity issues should be factored into the COVID-19 policies. Having support in childcare, paid sick leave, and health insurance will help promote the safe behaviors during the epidemic. That is someone who has the mild symptoms or taking care of sick family members can stay at home and obtain proper medical care. This will help separate the infected from the healthy and reduce the disease transmission opportunities. The lack of social support can prolong the disease transmission, and in the long-term can harm the market demands. And finally, the U.S. government can consider setting aside additional funding for unemployment insurance payments to help SMEs avoid bankruptcy or help the creditors of the bankrupt SMEs. And with that, I will conclude my summary. Thank you for your time. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you. Mr. Ellenby, now you are recognized. STATEMENT OF JAY M. ELLENBY Mr. ELLENBY. Good morning, Chairwoman Velazquez, Ranking Member Chabot, and distinguished members of the Committee. My name is Jay Ellenby, and I am president of Safe Harbors Business Travel. I am also a veteran of the United States Navy. Since 1985, Safe Harbors has served a diverse range of client companies, organizations, and individuals throughout the world. I am also here on behalf of the America Society of Travel Advisors (ASTA), the national trade association for the travel agency industry. Travel agencies are responsible for the sale of the majority of airline tickets in the United States and are the primary distributor of cruises and tour packages. A full 98 percent of travel agencies in the U.S. meet the Small Business Administration definition of a small business and are 2/3 owned by women. At Safe Harbors, the past few weeks have been among the most difficult our agency has had since 9/11. Our clients' response to the current crisis ranges from business as usual (not many), to limiting travel to the United States, Canada, or to stopping business travel completely. Sales are down across the board. As of last week, our 2020 sales were down 20 percent year over year. We have seen a 37 percent decline in international travel and that is worsening by the day. We expect March to be devastating and are preparing for a 50 percent year over year decline. For April we can only hope. Yesterday, we laid off a significant part of our workforce, and still with tremendous uncertainties ahead. In preparation for this hearing ASTA surveyed its members about the impact the coronavirus is having with their business. Ninety percent of clients are concerned about international travel, while 72 percent are concerned about domestic travel. Ninety-eight percent of respondents expect the crisis to have a heavy, negative impact on the business this year. Ninety-eight percent also expect a negative impact on business revenues, with 27 percent expecting a reduction of 50 percent or more. If I can leave anything with you today, this is the most significant piece of this survey, 22 percent of respondents report a risk of going out of business in 3 months and 25 percent within 6 months Up until last week, layoffs were in the planning stages. Layoffs are happening in large companies. We are large numbers by my company and others similar to mine. I understand some agencies have already shuttered their doors. In closing, I want to take this opportunity to provide some suggestions for what Congress and the Administration can do to help our industry during this crisis. Access to SBA loans. We were pleased to see that the recent Supplemental Appropriations Bill included funding for the SBA to provide about $7 billion in loans to businesses impacted by the outbreak. We ask they consider additional funding if the situation worsens and that you work with the SBA to relax some of the collateral requirements for these loans. Travel agencies are a service business and they do not have as many physical assets as say manufacturers. In the past, travel advisors were forced to put their homes up for collateral in order to qualify for similar loans that were given out after 9/11, so it is essential for these loans to be accessible for small businesses that desperately need them. Two, economic stimulus package. Please remember and include small businesses in any proposal for an economic stimulus package. Regardless of how long this crisis lasts, we feel strongly that the Federal government should take quick action on this front. Financial aid packages have been given to other struggling industries, and the hysteria and misinformation from many areas surrounded by COVID-19 that continues to plague our businesses show no sign of stopping. If the trend continues, as the members reporting continue, we project a loss of revenue for our industry could exceed $7.7 billion this year alone. On Friday, White House economic advisor Larry Kudlow confirmed that the administration is considering timely and targeted Federal interventions to help workers, businesses, and industries most vulnerable economically to the outbreak. While it is important to include relief for our airline and cruise line partners in such a package, we respectfully ask that you consult with, and receive, travel agencies' input on any such package to ensure that it will help them weather the storm and be in a position to serve their clients once the economy rebounds. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today, and I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Ellenby. Mr. Chau, now you are recognized. STATEMENT OF ANDREW CHAU Mr. CHAU. Good morning, Chairwoman Representative Velazquez, Ranking Member Chabot, Congresswoman Chu, and Congressman Kim, and distinguished members of the Committee on Small Business. Thank you for the honor of providing testimony before the House Committee on Small Business, although I wish it were under different circumstances. My name is Andrew Chau, and I am here on behalf of the small business community, and over 20 million Asian American Pacific Islanders (AAPI), who call this country home. And I am the son of immigrants. My dad, a refugee from Guangdong, China, and my mother, the daughter of a Taiwanese Air Force pilot. I grew up 3 hours north of here in Woodbridge, New Jersey, where we ran the only Chinese restaurant in town. My family eventually moved to San Francisco, where we started another restaurant in Fisherman's Wharf. I am what you call a ``restaurant brat,'' growing up around stoves, duck sauce, and sesame oil. After over a decade in Corporate America, I myself came back into the food business opening a chain of cafes and restaurants, specializing in boba milk tea and Asian-inspired snacks. My story as a small business owner is fairly common. Two million of the 30 million small businesses are AAPI owned. Small business is interwoven into our culture. Growing up as perennial outsiders, we sought refuge and built businesses across Chinatowns, Japantowns, and other ethnic enclaves scattered throughout the country. And even if you did not grow up in these enclaves, I am sure many people, including those in this room, have stumbled into a Chinatown noodle shop or Korean BBQ shop at 1 am. That was me last week. You can count on these establishments to be open late and bustling, often run by first and second-generation immigrants, hustling to make ends meet, chasing what was once the goal of every immigrant in this country, the American Dream. This dream and the small business culture embedded into the fabric of today's society is at risk today. Our community usually prides itself on resourcefulness, self-reliance, and grit, so it is telling that we are asking for assistance during this crisis. I am sure you have all read the news. Chinatowns and other AAPI enclaves across America are experiencing a drastic decline in patronage. A recent New York Times article said that business is down as much as 70 percent due to the coronavirus COVID-19. Sadly, most of this is due to misinformation and overblown media coverage depicting the virus as an Asian disease. This virus has no color. It has no ethnicity. It has no borders. COVID-19 is a respiratory virus, but it is fast-mutating into a social virus: xenophobia, Sinophobia, and marginalization of American citizens. I know this is the Committee on Small Business, but the negative stigma of this virus will impact our community long after COVID-19 is gone. We learn every day about attacks on AAPIs simply because of our physical appearance. But that is a topic for another day. The mission of this Committee is to protect and serve the interests of American small businesses. As a board member for National ACE, a national non-profit serving AAPI-owned businesses, we estimate that small businesses usually carry about 2 to 3 months of working capital. So, as we enter the third month since the news broke, many businesses, particularly those in these enclaves, are holding on for dear life. They do not have sufficient cash reserves to weather this storm. The economic hardship on each business owner then trickles down to the labor force as many are letting go of their employees to cut costs. The destabilization of labor and discretionary income will have ripple effects throughout our economy. In addition to influencing consumer sentiment, COVID-19 has also affected the global supply chain. My business uses ingredients from all over the world, from Japan to Taiwan to Thailand. Anything that is imported from overseas is delayed over a month or indefinitely in cases where the factories have shut down. I have heard from many people throughout the country that their businesses are facing similar issues. Banquets are canceled. Ingredients are delayed. And sole proprietorships like photographers, musicians, and anything tied to hospitality, events and entertainment are affected, too. We say small business is the backbone of the American economy, but what happens when the backbone is fractured? I say this on public record as a testimony not just for COVID-19, but for all future communicable disease that stall economic productivity. Today, the small business community, and AAPIs, we need help. And one day, it will be another community. What makes our country so unique is that we got this far despite our differences, and we learned how to bridge our various cultures and take care of each other. As a millennial, I hear we do not really talk about The American Dream anymore. As I understand it (and I had to Google this), the American Dream is to live a ``richer and fuller life, enabling opportunity according to ability and achievement.'' I believe your recent disaster loan relief bill breathes new life to that dream. The American Dream is alive and well. I believe that. But we just have to remember that enabling opportunity is not always about opening doors; it is also removing barriers. We need more help like the loan assistance program so that our small businesses in our communities can thrive again. The loans give us enough runway to adjust to the changes in the marketplace, even if it is caused initially by misinformation and unwarranted stigma. We as a community are confident that your committee will pass other pieces of legislation to show the world that American small businesses embody the values that built this country: grit, resilience, and helping our neighbors. Thank you for your time. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chau. Dr. Huang, now you are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF YANZHONG HUANG Mr. HUANG. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you our Ranking Member, Mr. Chabot. Well, we know that the COVID-19 that originated in China, is continuing to spread rapidly worldwide. And if we adopted a WHO definition on the pandemic, it is very clear that all the conditions have been met to declare the outbreak a global pandemic. But that does not necessarily mean the virus is becoming more dangerous. In fact, according to the WHO, the case fatality rate is 3.4 percent. That very likely has been heavily influenced by developments in China that has more than 83 percent of the COVID-19 deaths. If we adopted the South Korean data which allows us to give a more accurate and optimistic picture of how they saw the virus actually is, the mortality rate is actually just over 0.6 percent. That is close to the mortality rate in other parts of China. That is the parts of China excluding Hubei province. So the virus is not as lethal, virulent, as we thought. And with more cases being found, we expect the case fatality rate is going to be lower. And also, keep in mind that only 81 percent of the cases are actually mild, and COVID-19 deaths also increase with age. With virus most serious affecting older people with preexisting health problems. So in that sense, this virus falls in the category of what we call the dread risk. That is they are high profile but post a lower aggregate risk to human death. So what is the impact of this dread risk? Well, the dread risks could encourage an alarmist approach that can elicit a disproportionate level of fear among the population that may distort government and public response. It can lead to cause for governments to undertake more aggressive actions in confirming cases, isolating patients and closing down close contacts, even though the effectiveness of these measures is still subject to debate and the cost of implementing these measures can be immensely high. That we have seen in China wherein they declare those implementing those measures in Wuhan and Hubei providence and beyond. Driven by panic and fear, our country is pursuing aggressive, domestic containment measures may also prompt other countries to impose stringent restrictions on travel and trade. That we have seen in Italy. Unjustified documentation had been requested from importers of Asian cheese in Greece; lettuce exported to Poland; fruit to Croatia, while Italian-grown apples refused by Ukraine. Many of those measures actually instituted in the outbreak can also be sticky. That means they are not so easy to rescind once they are instituted. China, for example, did not lift its ban on pork products from Canada until November 2009, 4 months after the H1N1 swine flu activity declined in most countries. And also, government and public responses informed by fear can cause huge damage toward the economy. If the COVID-19 pandemic lasts more than a year, the CCC, Coronavirus, crude oil, credit shock, leads to widespread business failures, mass unemployment, and may lead the entire world into a global recession. So what should we do? I think it is very important that we adopt measures to be proportionate to the actual risk posed to our society. Rather than focus solely on emergency mobilization, it is equally important to emphasize prevention, precaution, and risk management by politically neutral professionals. In that sense, washing hands is actually more effective than wearing masks. Because masks, while an instrument of protection itself also is a symbol of panic and fear. It is also important that the U.S. consider rolling out a strategy that ends to slow down this rate of the virus in the community and minimize the economic impact of the outbreak. So a mitigation-based approach wherein the virus, specially become uncontainable, would be a preferred approach. Thank you. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you, Dr. Huang. I'd like to thank all of the witnesses for their incredible and important information that they have shared with us. Mr. Chau, I would like to address my first question to you. I represent Chinatown, both in Brooklyn and Sunset Park. I have heard that discriminatory rhetoric and outright racist anti-Asian sentiment are a couple of the reasons business is down around Chinatown in my district. Is this something that has negatively affected your business in New York, and San Francisco, Los Angeles? Mr. CHAU. Thank you for the question, Representative Velazquez. I believe our business, for the record, has fluctuated, has been down in some stores, especially those located around these ethnic enclaves. So we have a store, I think, in your district, around the Lower East Side. I think that one is flat at this point. I think the community around us, including a lot of my friends, I am sure you have seen some of the New York Times articles, including I think my friend Wilson Tang. He runs Nom Wah Tea Parlor. I think there is a lot of misinformation where they put the face of coronavirus as Chinese restaurants or Chinese patrons, and that is leading to this larger scare in your districts as you said. I have seen that personally also to a lot of our places in L.A., in Chinatown as well. Not that we have a space, but we were just in Koreatown as I said earlier, and I have never seen Koreatown so empty. And I hear a lot from our friends who own these establishments, that they have also faced, I would say, some form of discrimination and stigma. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you. Dr. Bouey, you are quoted saying that we often see epidemics of rumors, conspiracies, and discrimination coming from outbreaks like this. How can we ensure that facts and science prevail in global health crises? Dr. BOUEY. Thank you. So I always say that where is the epidemic of disease, that there is always another two epidemics. That is disinformation and discrimination. So in order for us to fight all three epidemics, I think the facts that in the social media, in the public is very important. If we have the facts in the public area, you have an efficient risk communication plan, then we can fight the disinformation. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you. Mr. Ellenby, consumer spending is at the heart of the U.S. economy. How long can those small businesses in the travel and leisure sector survive with business conferences being canceled and more people staying at home? Mr. ELLENBY. My sector of the business is corporate travel. So we service corporations that travel to such events, conferences, and they have literally shut down everything certainly for March, certainly for April, and we do not see any kind of life at the end of the tunnel when it comes to the corporate side. When it comes to the leisure side, vacation-type travel, when messaging goes out about the cruises, taking cruises, not to take a cruise, maybe you should take a cruise, if you are older, younger, it is very, very difficult for any agency to remain in business when such messaging goes out. So to answer your question specifically, there are many agencies right now that are shutting their doors as we speak, and some of them will be closed within 3 to 6 months. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you. Dr. Huang, what is the potential impact on low-income households if they are forced to take long periods off work to contain the spread of the virus, and how can we protect their financial stability if they get infected? Mr. HUANG. Thank you. I think if they take sick leave for too long, then many of this is going to affect certainly the small businesses because they cannot afford doing that. Unlike the big business, they do not have this room to maneuver and the resources to mobilize. And if the large, this absenteeism continues, we expect also the countries, the food and fuel supply also will be affected. That is going to deal another blow to the economy. So I think it is very important that the U.S. consider a nationwide approach to the issue of sick leave. Maybe after when it is used up their sick leave, it is time for the Federal government to foot the bill. But in doing so, we should find an approach to protect both the workers and the business owners. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you. My time has expired. Now, we recognize the Ranking Member, Mr. Chabot. Mr. CHABOT. Thank you, Madam Chair. Dr. Huang, let me go with you first if I can. We know that the official Chinese data can be unreliable. Should this impact the global response to the virus? Do you take that into consideration as you are studying this? Could you comment on that? Mr. HUANG. Absolutely. I think when we are making public policy, it is very important that we do evidenced-based decision-making based on reliable, trustworthy data. So if the data actually shows, for example, a high mortality rate, that is what we found, for example, in Wuhan, that may have something to do with the issue of the quality of the data, but it also has something to do with the draconian measures that have been undertaken without advanced planning. So there was a huge probable number of deaths was caused by those draconian measures and the health system being overwhelmed by the huge demand for testing and hospitalization. So the WHO mortality data has been actually heavily influenced by the data in China because the mortality, China contributed to almost 3/4ths, more than 3/4s of the mortality worldwide. So that probably gave us this false sense, this is a very, very dangerous type of virus. In fact, if we top even the WHO mortality rate of 3.4 percent based on the current population, and if we adopt this prediction that 20 percent of the population will be infected, we are going to expect 100 million deaths worldwide. Mr. CHABOT. Thank you very much. Dr. Bouey, I am going to go to you next, if I can. You had mentioned social distancing as one of the main ways to perhaps deal with this. Would you kind of describe in detail what you mean by that for anybody that may want to follow up with you? Dr. BOUEY. Sure. Social distancing in principle is basically separating those who are infected with those who are not infected. So we could see patient isolation as one of the typical of such policies. So as soon as someone is suspected or a confirmed patient, one thing they should do is be put at a distance with people who are healthy. So this relates to the hospital, how we define hospital triage, so that we know that the cases, infected people can be separated from those other people who are healthy. Quarantine would be an extreme measure policy on that because quarantine basically asks everyone, including those who are healthy, to stay put, not move. So between these two there are many variations of using protections and different type of policies in this line. But this is the only one, only thing we have now. Mr. CHABOT. Thank you very much. Mr. Ellenby, you have been in the travel agency business a while now. What advice would you give to those, it is pretty stunning what you said about 22 percent of them could literally be out of business within 3 months. It is very disconcerting, shocking. Is there any advice that you would give folk to avoid that? Mr. ELLENBY. Thank you for the question. Yes, I have been in the business for quite a while and have seen it all, I suppose. Everything from 9/11 to downturns to other diseases. An ASTA, the American Society or Travel Advisors, does a really good job in getting the word out, the information out, and how to address such situations. And unfortunately, there are very, very painful decisions you have to make, such as I mentioned yesterday, that we had to perform layoffs. And depending on the size of the company, if they have the ability to do that. Many of the members within ASTA do not have that type of workforce. And in some cases there are under five, maybe there are maybe one, or two, maybe three. And so it is very difficult for them to address those immediate expenses. So, labor is the critical piece. Mr. CHABOT. Thank you. I am almost out of time, so I want to get one last. Mr. Chau, how are you communicating with your staff, with your employees about what you are facing and how you are trying to deal with it, and I assume avoid, you know, people losing their jobs as much as possible? What are you telling them? What are you doing? Mr. CHAU. Thank you for your question. We just had a team meeting before I flew out to address this. I think the one thing that would help mitigate some of the scare is to give more information, as much as you have. So I recommend that for any business owner. So we actually had a team meeting where we said, well, here are the options. If the city where we are from, San Francisco, does go into a full quarantine, here is what would happen. And if not, here is what would happen if it was a partial kind of shutdown. And so we walked that through our managers, and we kind of gave them kind of a realistic idea of what could possibly happen. And I think they took it really well. And I think that is where I think a lot of small businesses across America should start doing that because washing hands and all the other preventative measures are already out there. Now we are just getting into scenario planning. Mr. CHABOT. Thank you very much. My time has expired. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Time has expired. We recognize Ms. Finkenauer, Chairwoman of the Subcommittee on Rural Development, Agriculture, Trade, and Entrepreneurship from Iowa. Ms. FINKENAUER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate being here today. And thank you all for coming all this way as well. I know you guys have a lot of demands on your time right now. So it means a lot that you took this to be here. I am from Iowa. We actually today, we now have eight Iowans that have tested positive. And it is something, you know, my biggest concern is, obviously, the health and safety of my constituents and Iowans and folks across the country. I know our office, we have been in touch with all the hospitals in the district personally as well, making sure that we are keeping that line of communication open, hearing what people need, making sure that we are providing that. And I think that is one of the things that is going to be most important across the country, making sure that those lines of communication are open and that they are getting to the right resources. One of the other things that is then next on my list after health and safety is our economy in Iowa and across the country as well, and how our employers are doing as well as our employees who devote so much of their lives to making the world go around in Iowa and across the country. And so I was happy last week. We were able to pass the emergency loans, $7 billion in emergency loans that the Small Business Administration would be able to provide with businesses being affected. But I do have more questions for the Small Business Administration. I know you guys are not able to answer those, but I figured maybe the best way to do this would be kind of tell you what I want to know from them and then also how it would be affecting you. So one of the things that I want to know is making sure that we are getting this information out to people across the country and to our small businesses. And how are we ensuring that that is happening? And so, I know Mr. Chau and Mr. Ellenby, you guys are on the frontlines of this working with small business owners across the country. And what have you seen so far as the outreach and what could we be doing better? Mr. CHAU. I will make mine pretty short. So right now, I guess in the age of the Internet. A lot of the small business groups and network is online. So, I can name a couple that we are a part of. Prior to this hearing, I solicited some of the network from Asian Hustle Network. It is called AHN. There is another set of LinkedIn networks that we have. And so there are a lot of these Facebook groups that we have been talking about, what are you doing? So in each of these big metropolitan areas there are also localized versions. There are chamber of commerces. There are other versions of chamber of commerces online. So I would recommend the government generally tap into some of these key stakeholders, a part of each of these big networks, and disseminate information. Being at this hearing today I think is a major step toward that. Ms. FINKENAUER. Yeah. What about you, Mr. Ellenby? Mr. ELLENBY. Yes, thank you. Absolutely. The trade associations are a perfect way to get the information out and also solicit feedback. Certainly, chambers of commerce as well. So I agree with both areas. Ms. FINKENAUER. Great. And then the other thing I know, again, we passed the $7 billion, but this is the question for the Small Business Administration, is how quickly can we get that out to the folks who need it? But my question for you then is how quickly do you need it? Yesterday, I know, but---- Mr. ELLENBY. I would love to answer yesterday. Ms. FINKENAUER. Yes. Mr. ELLENBY. And also, I want to preface what I mentioned in my testimony was that easing the regulations for collateral. Ms. FINKENAUER. Yeah. Mr. ELLENBY. So I think that is a very, very careful area. Ms. FINKENAUER. Okay. That is helpful. Mr. Chau? Mr. CHAU. I just second that. I think we were talking before this that many of these small businesses are already on kind of their last leg on their working capital, so it has been months, 2 months at least for some of these businesses, so the sooner the better. Ms. FINKENAUER. Yeah. And with that I know the big thing for me, too, is making sure this is getting out to folks so that when we have employees that need to have time off, they are able to do it and they are able to get their paychecks. And it is just incredibly important, and these are the types of things that need to be thought about, again, all across the country. So I am grateful that you guys are here having those discussions. And I hope the Small Business Administration, I will be also reaching out to them with more of these questions, but I want to know, are they reallocating employees, making sure that there is more bandwidth to be able to handle these loans and get them out in a timely manner. And what are the contingency plans for all of that? So I think there is a lot we need to be doing, following up, making sure these are getting out the way that they are because I know just hearing your testimony today how important this is. So thank you for being here, and I know we all still have a lot more work to do. So thank you. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. I would like to share with you that yesterday, we reached out to the Small Business Administration. We requested for them to put on their website all of this information, but also, every state has to work with the SBA to declare that they have an emergency in their state, and that will open up the process. Now we recognize the gentleman from Oklahoma, Mr. Hern, Ranking Member of the Subcommittee on Economic Growth, Tax, and Capital Access. Mr. HERN. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, Ranking Member Chabot, and the witnesses for being here today to talk about this very important issue. While we have had just a minimal impact in Oklahoma, I believe two confirmed cases now, this is still significant what is going on in the industry. Being in the restaurant industry my entire life, I have had a lot of friends who have called and are very concerned. And according to the American Hotel Lodging Association, they are estimating right now average or annual revenue loss within the range of $32 to $76 billion, including up to about $100 million per day. Occupancy rates declining to 20 percent in major markets. At best, daily room sales decline around 15 percent, which result in about 15,600 fewer shifts available per day for room attendants. So obviously, significant job impacts there. Mr. Ellenby, given your expertise in this travel industry, can you talk about what you think about these effects now? And if you could compare the previous global--you mentioned you have seen it all. When you have been around the industry you get impacted first because people usually shut down touching, being around other people. Could you compare what is happening right now so early in this process and this coronavirus issue, compare it to H1N1, SARS, and all the other things that have gone on? Mr. ELLENBY. Yes. Thank you for the question. The comparison, it does not compare to H1N1. The only thing I can think it compares to is really 9/11 of all the previous incidents. And that was one where we literally had 3 months of shutdown and we started to see business pick up again in January. At a minimal rate. But it does not compare. This is a significant, significant impact. And yes, travel is often the leading edge. On corporate travel, certainly. We know oftentimes way out ahead, maybe 3 months, where the economy is going. And we are in the deep of it right now. Mr. HERN. So obviously, you have an opinion because, you know, when you look at deaths around the world, a single death is tragic, but when you compare it to what we know in Oklahoma, and our governor just spoke to this on Friday, that we, so far in this season, we have had 54 deaths from flu and thousands, and we have heard from CDC where we have had tens of thousands of people that have been infected, hundreds of thousands, actually. I think 350,000 hospitalized since October 1. We have had tens of thousands of deaths. And in the United States, we have had 26. What do you attribute that to? Because we are talking about average people and companies that are canceling conventions. McDonald's Corporation just canceled their largest convention they have every 2 years. The first time in the history of the company, in Orlando, where it has impacted at least 50,000 people traveling in for that. Why is that happening? Mr. ELLENBY. Yeah. The cancelations are through the roof. In fact, more of our business right now involves cancelations than it does actual revenue. The cancelations, I believe, is through information that is coming out from multiple sources. The media gets a hold of that. They put their information on that as well. And I think the feedback that we are getting with respect to travelers are if they should go someplace, they want to get back. They want to get back home. And they do not want to be quarantined. So they want to make sure that if they go someplace, they can make it back, and they do not know what is taking place in that particular destination. So I think it is the fear of the unknown, and so therefore, that is why they are making the decision to not go, and that is why companies are afraid to have those type of events outside the area. Mr. HERN. So again, I do not want to put words in your mouth, but having talked to many people in the industry, maybe it is just because of my background, that a lot of folks feel like there is a lot of information that is flowing around that while other epidemics, pandemics have been more deadly, much more deadly than this, there is a lot more fear being put into the communities that have maybe made people err on the side of caution much more so than in previous history. Mr. ELLENBY. Yes, you are putting words in mouth. That is exactly it. That is exactly it. It is just, there is inconsistent messaging. And if there was consistent messaging coming out of multiple departments, if there was consistent messaging that was approrpite, that would translate into those really making decisions on travel at a much more reasonable effort. Mr. HERN. Madam Chair, I will yield back the rest of my time. Thank you so much. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. The gentlelady from California, Ms. Chu, Chairwoman of the Subcommittee on Investigations, Oversight, and Regulations is now recognized. Ms. CHU. Mr. Chau, as you have seen first-hand, Asian American communities across the country have been severely impacted by the coronavirus outbreak. In fact, I was shocked to find out 2 nights ago that in Los Angeles, Chinatown, one of the two remaining major Chinese restaurants that is capable of having a sit-down banquet, Ocean Seafood, is shutting down as a result of the sharp decline in business as a result of COVID- 19. And in my district of the San Gabriel Valley in Southern California, I attended a press conference in February to highlight the impacts of this outbreak on our local restaurants and businesses. That was nearly a month ago but even then, restaurants were reporting a decline of about 50 percent. Those impacts have only worsened now, and that is why it is so important that Congress and this Committee help those small businesses get the assistance that they need, and that is why I joined Congressmember and Chairwoman Velazquez in co-sponsoring the H.R. 6040, the Small Business Relief from Communicable Disease Act. And fortunately, key provisions of this bill were included in the emergency supplemental appropriations package that passed Congress and was signed into law last week. Now, small businesses impacted by COVID-19 will be eligible for SBA disaster loans. But the outbreak has resulted in more than just economic harm. We have also witnessed horrific instances of xenophobia and abuse directed towards Asian-Americans for no reason other than their appearance. These incidents rely on harmful stigmas and stereotypes that threaten to far outlive COVID-19 and have even been repeated by members of Congress. And in the last Small Business hearing, I held up a fake flyer that had the actual logos of the WHO and the County of Los Angeles actually naming five Asian businesses that people should avoid because of a man that they alleged had coronavirus went there. So as a business leader in the Asian-American community, could you elaborate on the types of xenophobia you have witnessed and discuss what we need to do about it? Mr. CHAU. Thank you for those comments. It is a lot to unpack because I think a lot of it is personal. And in the community, we have been talking about this a lot. Unfortunately, both in your district and so many of the districts we have our stores in, we have seen psychological impact. People are afraid to go out. Sometimes you cannot even know what is going on. There was a recent assault or stabbing in Brooklyn the other day where an Asian male was stabbed but they cannot tell if it was xenophobia or not because it was implied maybe but there are all these uncertainties. And then it is creating communities that are essentially playing their past issues against each other. And I think what we need to do first of all is to have better dialogue among anybody who has been marginalized, too. I think, number one, we need more allies. I think secondly, for those who are going through it, there already are groups that take care of each other. There is a group that I am on. I think it is called Crimes against Asians on Facebook where we actually see, and every time it is reported it gets amplified. And then it goes to larger media outlets like nextshark.com or NBC News. And that is actually how we funnel through the pipeline. So there is actually a lot of grassroots efforts. We continually need to do that, and I think that, as long as the messaging keeps getting out and goes through I would say the media outlets, we do a better job of storytelling and we have a better narrative. So unfortunately, the psychological damage is almost irreparable because at the same time you have a 14-year-old, I think, girl in L.A. recently that was also made fun of and assaulted. It is on the Internet and people recorded this. And imagine, she is 15 now. In 10 years, she is going to be 25. She is going to carry that with her. And then that might have her treat certain communities that targeted her in a different way. And it is just a vicious cycle. So I think we need to control all of that. Ms. CHU. And could you say how we can address the anxieties within the Asian-American community without compromising public health in the business arena, like, for instance, if your business had to have a worker that quarantined itself? Mr. ELLENBY. Yeah, I think people, we have to separate the data. We have to be much more data, and do the math on this, is that the quarantine very likely, as Dr. Huang said, that somebody may get it in any of our communities. And so at that point, we have to separate that from whoever is getting it and not overgeneralize a certain population. So if that does happen, I am sure people will take that as a precaution, but I just think people need to rely more on the data and use that versus some sensationalist media message. Ms. CHU. Thank you. I yield back. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Bishop, is recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. BISHOP. Thank you, Madam Chairman. As I listen to the testimony and the questions, I am struck that we are sort of saying it can be harmful if we underreact. It can be harmful if we overreact. It can be harmful if we react with measures that have unanticipated adverse consequences. So it is a tricky situation that we are in. Mr. Chau, I am interested, did I understand that you have retail outlets? That is what your business is? Mr. CHAU. Yes, that is correct, sir. Mr. BISHOP. And I know that there is a great deal of discussion in media and among government these days of having workers telework. I assume that for a business like yours that would not be a viable solution; correct? Mr. CHAU. That is correct. Mr. BISHOP. Because you have got to be open. You have got to have retail employees who are there prepared to serve the public in those facilities. Mr. CHAU. That is correct. A lot of people, especially in big cities, big companies are having them working from home but that is very hard to do when you are retail-based. Mr. BISHOP. And I would imagine there are a lot of small businesses to whom that situation would apply then. They need their workers at their locations; right? Mr. CHAU. Yes, that is true. Mr. BISHOP. There was a good bit of discussion about allowing paid leave or maybe the government funding paid leave. If that were done on an indefinite basis, for example, that also might undermine a small business like yours, would it not? Mr. CHAU. That I am not really sure what the ramifications are. I have heard of different pros and cons of having paid leave. I, generally, I think, have been on the side of having-- FMLA, for example, does not cover a lot of these instances, so like extending that may help. In my mind, my job is to make sure that our workers are safe and that they are the most productive. And so if they are constantly worrying and not being their best self because they are worried about a paycheck, I think it actually in the long run hurts them. So I think having some type of security would help alleviate that. Mr. BISHOP. If it were available, essentially, without condition so that it just deterred your employees from coming to work, under those circumstances if you are a small business there might be some adverse consequence. Would you agree with that? Mr. CHAU. Yeah, I would agree that there would be some qualifications that would qualify for that. I think maybe---- Mr. BISHOP. They need to be designed appropriately? Mr. CHAU. It has to be designed. It has to have the right rules. Otherwise, if you are inferring that it might get abused, I think that is definitely possible. I think we need to have the right checks and balances for a larger solution like that. Mr. BISHOP. I wonder if it is obvious to everybody the panel that it would be wrong and counterproductive for anybody to exploit the situation for political advantage by either provoking panic or unreasonably undermining confidence in public authorities' responses, or even attributing false motivations to public or private responses. What about you, Mr. Chau, would you agree with that? Mr. CHAU. That I do not have an opinion on. I think that might be a little too complicated. I am just a businessman. But I would like to think that people are not politically motivated on something that is like a public health issue. Mr. BISHOP. I would hope so, too. I think that is good enough for me. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I yield back. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Now we recognize the gentlelady from Kansas, Ms. Davids, for 5 minutes. Ms. DAVIDS. Thank you, Chairwoman Velazquez, and Ranking Member Chabot for calling this hearing today. The first confirmed case of COVID-19 was found in the Kansas 3rd Congressional District which I represent, this past weekend. And thankfully, the person who got sick did everything right to help contain the spread of the disease. But even still, there are preventative measures that are being implemented in Kansas and all over the country as we have heard, to help mitigate and contain this novel coronavirus. These precautions are incredibly important for public health and safety and have to remain our priority. But we cannot overlook the impact of this epidemic on our economy, and especially the small businesses such as those who are here today and those in the district that I represent, which are the backbone of our communities really. I have already heard from small business owners in my district who are worried. One shared a fear that this would not only jeopardize her business's future but would jeopardize her ability to pay her bills, cover her rent, get her groceries. And crises like these can be especially tough on small businesses. Small retailers in restaurants do not have the teleworking options for their employees and disproportionately suffer when sales slow down as folks start to stay home. So my first question is, because this coronavirus has just reached Kansas's 3rd District this weekend and we expect that there will be more cases, no one can be sure what the full impact is going to look like, I want to know what you think I should be doing to help the small businesses prepare for the effects of lower sales of sick employees? Mr. Chau, I would like to start with you. Mr. CHAU. Thank you for your question. I think it goes back to what we have been saying. A lot of it has to do with communication. The bill that has passed, that loan assistance would definitely help in getting the right information to them and getting them involved if that applies to their business is number one. Number two, I think there is a lot of, I would say, community support. I think you are seeing right now a lot of communities banning together and saying I think there is a hashtag called Support Chinatown. So I think if that could happen in your district, people I think realize that, especially if there is not as many cases in your specific area and it is a little bit more of an over stigmatization and generalization, supporting local businesses has really been helping certain areas. So I think probably a campaign related to that helps. And I think third is just anything that helps, whether it is certain other programs that helps with financing or capital or just other things having rent or expenses be deferred, I think that is a big one. I think I have been reading some of the certain businesses, I think a bunch of us wanted to band together where we make a statement where we say to the landlords, please provide some relief. And just going to landlords directly. And I think having that come form legislators or parts of the government might also help because it still shows solidarity. Ms. DAVIDS. And then I would love to hear from other folks on the panel, when you talk about the information that I can be putting out, we definitely have on our website information from the CDC. We also have information from our local county governments and the state government. Is there any particular way that you think that our office should be either doing outreach or taking in information just from the people who are on the ground who are dealing with this day to day? Dr. BOUEY. My recommendation is that we need to understand when people are in doubt or having fear, the first thing that will harm their information is that if they have suspicious of the government or they do not trust the government can handle it. So I think the transparency is very important that whenever there is a case that there should be reported in time. So transparency is important. And the other thing is the competency. Right? So if we know that there are testing sites, there are treatments ready, that information needs to be ready for the public. Ms. DAVIDS. Thank you. And it sounds to me from those of you who have been studying this and directly feeling the impacts of this is that we need to make sure in our congressional offices that we are sharing information with folks, being as transparent as possible, and then those of us on the Committee need to makes sure that we are helping to support our small businesses, whether it is through programs and adjusting some of our loan programs and the collateral requirements. I thank you for your testimony today, and I yield back. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Now we recognize the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Spano. Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you to each of you for being here today. We appreciate you taking the time to come up and speak with us. I am sure we probably all have our individual examples. I was just at an event on Saturday, Friday maybe it was, where a good friend of mine I have known for a very long time, they own a travel business, and she was just almost, you know, crying about where they were at. They had a trip scheduled to Italy that had been canceled the day before. A trip to D.C. this week that thankfully had not been canceled, but the implications for her and her family were pretty significant. And this is a business where they, you know, the business is them, her and her husband. Right? So it really has turned people's lives upside down, which is incredibly unfortunate. But one of the questions that she had for me was that she was concerned about the folks who had booked trips through her company. They had been canceled but there was no recourse for them even potentially the insurance policies that they had purchased were not paying out because I guess, the language in the policy itself. So I would like to ask Mr. Ellenby if he could speak to that for just a moment. Are typical travel insurance policies covering this scenario? Mr. ELLENBY. Thank you for the question. And I am sorry to hear about that particular situation. Not all insurance policies are the same. Some do not cover it; some do. I do not have specifics on those particular programs. We can certainly provide that. What I can tell you is there are many suppliers who have become very liberal in their policies. And so working with the suppliers they have done a very good job in responding to any kind of cancelations, refunds, and working with a travel to support the client. Mr. SPANO. So what would you recommend someone do if they are in that specific circumstance? How do they petition, I guess the venue or whoever might be giving them a reimbursement? Mr. ELLENBY. In that particular case I would recommend that the agent friend speak with their supplier and continue to speak with that supplier if they do not get the correct answer. And I am sure the American Society of Travel Advisors could help out in that case as well. Mr. SPANO. Great. Thank you. And you had mentioned in response to a question a moment ago that the only thing you could only liken this scenario to is the 9/11 tragedy, and it took 3 or 4 months before things even began to move again. So I know it is hard to say because we really do not ultimately know how significant this is all going to play out, but what is your best guestimate? You know, typically, in this type of scenario, let us just say for example, I will give you this, let us say things begin to improve beginning in May or June, people begin to feel comfortable booking trips again. Will the travel agencies make up for what they have lost in part? Will people travel more over the summer because they have not traveled in March and April? Or is it just lost opportunity? Mr. ELLENBY. That is a great question. Thank you for asking that. You would like to think there is pent up demand. You can only hope there is pent up demand. But I think, I would say for the most part there is probably lost opportunity. There is lost opportunity. I doubt it is going to be made up through the rest of the year. Very doubtful. Mr. SPANO. Yeah, thank you. Madam Chair, I yield back the remainder of my time. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Now we recognize the gentleman from New York, Mr. Delgado. Mr. DELGADO. Thank you, Chairwoman. I appreciate all of you being here, providing all of your insights. I wanted to sort of piggyback a little bit, Dr. Bouey, on some of your considerations for policymakers when it comes to supporting SMEs. I thought one of your takes was pretty interesting here. You say that SMEs could benefit from diversifying business platforms, online base platforms and virtual service provisions can help SMEs sustain business during quarantines or travel bans. It would be helpful if policymakers could bring tax breaks and technical guidance to help SMEs restructure their business operations. Can you speak a little bit more about that? Dr. BOUEY. Sure. So the data we got from China, some of these are surveys given to SMEs. Some of those are ecommerce data that it collected. And it shows that definitely overall retail are hurt but it is not all even. So the business that has a virtual store, during the quarantine and travel ban, those are hurt most. But at the same time, people are buying groceries or even meals and certainly other supplies through online vendors. And then in China, we also see that the shops that have no servers shop or even a vending machine which has been here for a long time but in China it is actually a new phenomenon. But we see that all of these machines and human-free shops are getting more traffic, becoming more popular. So online education, online entertainment, and online gyms, those are also seeing an increase in traffic. So one idea is that would it be helpful for a business to have both a physical shop as well as an online shop, a virtual center that at least can help the business to keep contact with their potential customers or maintain some loyalty of the customers. I know some businessmen in China, during the downtime, they even send free videos to their customers and help entertain their kids because the kids are home and have nowhere to go. But these are the very innovative ways to help the business. Mr. DELGADO. And I am assuming, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you have not encountered any examples of those types of approaches being incentivized within the SBA; right? There is nothing you have come across that would speak to this specific issue? Dr. BOUEY. No. Mr. DELGADO. Right. Okay. So that is definitely something I think we might want to look into. I would imagine that some of the low interest loans, too, if they were tied to sort of incentivizing---- Dr. BOUEY. Innovation. Mr. DELGADO.--to diversity in this way could be quite helpful. Dr. Huang, I just want to also bring you into this conversation because I think a the end of the tail end of your testimony you said that, you noted that the targets alone are helpful but you also said the U.S. government may consider following the example of Italy to provide tax cuts and credits for small businesses. Could you speak specifically to what you might have in mind when it comes to credits? Mr. HUANG. Thank you. That is a very specific question. I think in terms of the credits, I think they could be taking just different forms. It could be a tax credit to those who have been suffering during the outbreak. It could also be like the forms like difference of the payment that we have seen also in the case of China. But---- Mr. DELGADO. Let me help you out. I think I have an idea. I think maybe we can do a tax credit for those companies that look into diversifying their platforms. I think that could be one way in which we are able to help facilitate this. I think that obviously trying to go about this with a clear eye and a deep politicized fashion is going to be of utmost importance. I just want to again thank each and every one of you for your insights. It is very much appreciated. And with that I yield back. Thank you. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Now we recognize Mr. Schneider, from Illinois. Mr. SCHNEIDER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to thank you and the Ranking Member for having this meeting. I want to thank the witnesses for joining us today and sharing your perspectives, your experiences. We are dealing with a crisis. There is no question about that. It is being dealt with at all levels--in our local communities, at the state level, here in the Federal government. Mr. Chau and Mr. Ellenby, you were literally at the frontlines dealing with this in your businesses. And I think one of the greatest challenges we face, especially as policymakers here in Congress, is trying to find the path to help you short term how to deal with the immediate impacts it is having on your business. Mr. Ellenby, you said you laid off a third of your workforce? Mr. ELLENBY. Not a third but we laid off a significant amount. Mr. SCHNEIDER. But there are going to intermediate and long-term impacts on this, and I think, Dr. Bouey, others have talked about this, the transition from trying to contain to now mitigating the consequences of this. And that is why I am pleased that in the House last week we initiated, and we passed $8.3 billion. It passed the Senate. It was signed by the President. That was a big step to move forward to help the people at the frontlines. We need to continue with that. In my state, in Illinois, our Governor Pritzker issued a disaster declaration yesterday for the state. This allows the state to access those emergency funds, and I suspect we will see more of that. I also think in speaking to my colleagues, it is important for us to be the public face, to make sure that we are communicating with our constituents, keeping them informed at all levels. Someone else mentioned the challenge we face because every action we take will have counteractions. And so we want to make sure what we do is in the right direction and that we are flexible to respond and make decisions today that will have consequences to underly and support our decisions tomorrow. But there are also things I think we can do that model behavior. The no-touch screening, whether it is the Mr. Spock, may we all live long and prosper, or it is elbow bumps, there are things we can do. Washing our hands, singing Happy Birthday twice as we wash our hands. Changing just general hygiene. It sounds simple but that is a big step to try to mitigate the impact of all of this, including disinfecting services, desktops, phones, et cetera. And let me just advise everyone. If you do not feel well, please stay home for all of us. It is critical. But as people stay home, it is hard, and I think this is one of the things that we talked about. Whether it is unfortunate layoffs or just go home for a couple of weeks, we need to make sure that we are providing two levels I think of support. One is the level of income continuity, whether that is paid leave, making sure that those who, whether they are working in a restaurant, a retail store, travel industry, manufacturing, that if they are not able to go to work, if they are not able to get their paycheck, we are ensuring that they have the resources to feed their families, to pay their bills, to not lose their housing. That is crucial. The second piece that I think we need to be thinking about, and we have talked some about this with the small business loans, is make sure businesses like yours have the capital to ensure continuity. Mr. Ellenby, I do not know if this is going to be a few weeks, a few months, or take us, someone said this may extend into 2021. That is going to be real challenges. And for you it is not just managing your business but managing what hopefully as you said, the pent up demand, as customers come back, we want to make sure that our businesses are there for those customers and that they are healthy and that employees can come here. We passed the bill last week. Legislation designated the coronavirus as a disaster which opened up the Small Business Administration's Disaster Loan Program. This is critical. But we need to continue to stay focused and be thinking about what is our next step? This is a long-term play. We need to be thinking not just next week but next month and the month after and policy. So I thank you. I have now left only a minute for questions. But I will open the question. Mr. Chau and Mr. Ellenby, what other ideas as you have sat here, as you have thought about it, are there other things we can be doing to help small businesses like yours? Mr. ELLENBY. I will be very quick. One of the things, our membership of ASTA, my company itself, we do provide paid sick time and we do provide health insurance. But there are many smaller companies who do not. They do not have paid sick time. And that is going to be a very big issue so that really needs to be considered in any kind of loans and stimulus. Mr. SCHNEIDER. Mr. Chau, 14 seconds. Mr. CHAU. I am going to echo that. Actually, I will just echo that. I think that has been a big topic. Just, especially with a lot of part-time workforce, the income continuity is going to be the big thing. And as an augmented workforce becomes normal, we have to figure that out just as a society. Mr. SCHNEIDER. Great. Thank you. And with the 2 seconds I will steal over my time. The idea of how do we move forward in this crisis is critical but learning the lessons so we are better prepared for the next crisis is just as critical. I commend you for offering that paid time off and sick time and health insurance. Everyone in this country should have that. And with that I yield back. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Now we recognize the gentleman from New York, Mr. Espaillat. Mr. ESPAILLAT. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Ranker. I am really concerned about the way small businesses are being treated in this crisis, because testing as of yet has been very limited. So as we increase significantly testing across the country, maybe to a degree that you can even go to a local pharmacy and get a test kit, the numbers are just going to go right through the roof. And this will create a long-term crisis for small businesses. We saved the banks. We saved Detroit. Now the White House is proposing to save the cruise industry and the travel industry. And yet we want to saddle small businesses with loans. And I support that with zero percent loans, but nevertheless, we want to saddle them with debt. And they will be shaken up by this crisis and then they will have a looming debt at the end of this process, Madam Chairwoman. New York City is offering not only loans but grants up to $6,000 to those businesses that witness a 25 percent drop in business. The empowerment zones offered a tax credit to businesses of $3,000 per employer that hire local. I am proposing that we offer a tax credit for businesses that have witnessed a 25 percent drop in business and that retain those workers. In addition to that, I think that we could give grants for, for example, the installation of smart energy equipment in small businesses that will result in a dramatic drop of 30 to 50 percent of energy costs. That is money in your pocket. That is help. The rest is saddling you up with debt. I do not see how that is helpful. It may be helpful now, but it will cripple you tomorrow. So I think that we have not helped small businesses the way we should, the way we have helped other parts of the economy while small businesses are the biggest employers in the country. So we worry more about the banks when we had the meltdown on Wall Street. We worry more about Detroit when we had the near destruction of the auto industry. And now we are worrying about cruisers and the travel industry, and we are leaving you guys behind because all we have given you is debt. And debt may be zero percent, but debt is debt and debt is bad, especially if you are weak economically and you cannot make ends meet. So my proposal, I want to hear from all of you as to what I am proposing. There is a model out there already. Do you support a tax credit for those businesses that have witnessed a drop of 25 percent in business and have retained their local workers? Because this is also about communities. And do you support grants to do the renovation of smart energy equipment that will not only lead to a better environment than cleaner energy but also to a 30 to 50 percent drop in your energy bills? Anybody? Mr. ELLENBY. Yes, yes, and yes. So yes, we could agree to every one of those items. And I would like to offer, I will be very quick so everyone else can speak, we may have some additional ideas from our trade association that could help you as well. Mr. ESPAILLAT. We would love to hear from you those ideas. You are on the ground. You can tell us what can make it work for you. But at the end of the day it has to be in your pocket. Mr. ELLENBY. Yes. Mr. ESPAILLAT. Do not bring me to another breakfast for a loan that I am not going to qualify for, because if you need a loan, you probably have shabby credit. You know, you are not able to meet payroll, or you do not have capital to expand. If you have good credit and you meet payroll and you have money on the side, the bank comes to you. You do not need to go to the bank. So if you have additional ideas, I would love to hear them. Mr. ELLENBY. Thank you. Mr. ESPAILLAT. Anybody else? Doctor? Mr. HUANG. Yeah, certainly, I would support that idea. I think policymakers will not make a choice between maximum protection and minimum disruption. Actually, it is always about balancing the draconian containment measures including aggressive testing against the impacts on the economy and society. We have seen the countries like South Korea, Italy also, why are they taking aggressive testing measures of seeing the actual number, significant increase of the number of the confirmed cases, but in time they are also very keenly aware of how they should minimize the damage this could cause to the economy. Mr. ESPAILLAT. Thank you. Mr. HUANG. Thank you. Mr. ESPAILLAT. Thank you, Madam Chair. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Mr. Ellenby, you mentioned that you were working in the travel industry back during 9/11; right? I would like for you to go back and check, besides the Disaster Loan Program that we had in place back then and that we included in this bill, and see if there were any other provisions that were part of that 9/11 package that you believe were effective in helping the businesses that you represent, and get back to us. Mr. ELLENBY. I would be happy to do so. Thank you. Chairwoman VELAZQUEZ. Thank you. We want to thank all of the witnesses for taking time out of their schedules to be with us today. I would like to thank all of the witnesses for educating us on the potential economic and public health impacts of the coronavirus. Moving forward, it is our priority to do whatever we can to help those small businesses that will disproportionately suffer economic harm. We must also realize this is a public issue as well, and I encourage everyone to plan, prepare, and to not panic. Common sense measures, like washing your hands and seeking medical care if you are experiencing flu-like symptoms will go a long way, and our federal government will play an important role as well. Dr. Bouey, I heard you when you said it is important that people have faith in the information that they get from our government; otherwise, we are going to defeat any purpose. I urge colleagues on both sides of the aisle and the administration to work together on a coordinated government- wide plan to respond to the coronavirus. With that, I will ask unanimous consent that members have 5 legislative days to submit statements and supporting materials for the record. Without objection, so ordered. If there is no further business to come before the Committee, we are adjourned. Thank you. [Whereupon, at 1:03 p.m., the Committee was adjourned.] [Dr. Jennifer Huang Bouey wished not to respond to questions from Hon. Troy Balderson] A P P E N D I X [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [all]