[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] INVESTING IN AMERICA'S ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE: IMPROVING ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CREATING A DIVERSE WORKFORCE ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY OF THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ APRIL 10, 2019 __________ Serial No. 116-24 [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Commerce govinfo.gov/committee/house-energy energycommerce.house.gov __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 39-841 PDF WASHINGTON : 2020 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey Chairman BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois GREG WALDEN, Oregon ANNA G. ESHOO, California Ranking Member ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York FRED UPTON, Michigan DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois MIKE DOYLE, Pennsylvania MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas JAN SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois STEVE SCALISE, Louisiana G. K. BUTTERFIELD, North Carolina ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio DORIS O. MATSUI, California CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, Washington KATHY CASTOR, Florida BRETT GUTHRIE, Kentucky JOHN P. SARBANES, Maryland PETE OLSON, Texas JERRY McNERNEY, California DAVID B. McKINLEY, West Virginia PETER WELCH, Vermont ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia PAUL TONKO, New York GUS M. BILIRAKIS, Florida YVETTE D. CLARKE, New York, Vice BILL JOHNSON, Ohio Chair BILLY LONG, Missouri DAVID LOEBSACK, Iowa LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana KURT SCHRADER, Oregon BILL FLORES, Texas JOSEPH P. KENNEDY III, SUSAN W. BROOKS, Indiana Massachusetts MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma TONY CARDENAS, California RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina RAUL RUIZ, California TIM WALBERG, Michigan SCOTT H. PETERS, California EARL L. ``BUDDY'' CARTER, Georgia DEBBIE DINGELL, Michigan JEFF DUNCAN, South Carolina MARC A. VEASEY, Texas GREG GIANFORTE, Montana ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois NANETTE DIAZ BARRAGAN, California A. DONALD McEACHIN, Virginia LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware DARREN SOTO, Florida TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona ------ Professional Staff JEFFREY C. CARROLL, Staff Director TIFFANY GUARASCIO, Deputy Staff Director MIKE BLOOMQUIST, Minority Staff Director Subcommittee on Energy BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois Chairman SCOTT H. PETERS, California FRED UPTON, Michigan MIKE DOYLE, Pennsylvania Ranking Member JOHN P. SARBANES, Maryland ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio JERRY McNERNEY, California, Vice CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, Washington Chair PETE OLSON, Texas PAUL TONKO, New York DAVID B. McKINLEY, West Virginia DAVID LOEBSACK, Iowa ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois G. K. BUTTERFIELD, North Carolina H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia PETER WELCH, Vermont BILL JOHNSON, Ohio KURT SCHRADER, Oregon LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana JOSEPH P. KENNEDY III, BILL FLORES, Texas Massachusetts RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina MARC A. VEASEY, Texas TIM WALBERG, Michigan ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire GREG WALDEN, Oregon (ex officio) ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois NANETTE DIAZ BARRAGAN, California A. DONALD McEACHIN, Virginia TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey (ex officio) C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Hon. Bobby L. Rush, a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois, opening statement................................. 1 Prepared statement........................................... 2 Hon. Fred Upton, a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan, opening statement.................................... 3 Prepared statement........................................... 4 Hon. Frank Pallone, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of New Jersey, opening statement......................... 5 Prepared statement........................................... 7 Hon. Greg Walden, a Representative in Congress from the State of Oregon, opening statement\1\ 8 Prepared statement........................................... 9 Witnesses Daniel R. Simmons, Assistance Secretary, Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, Department of Energy.......... 11 Prepared statement........................................... 13 Answers to submitted questions............................... 93 James E. Campos, Director, Office of Economic Impact and Diversity, Department of Energy................................ 23 Prepared statement........................................... 25 Answers to submitted questions............................... 103 Submitted Material H.R. 1315, the Blue Collar to Green Collar Jobs Development Act of 2019, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ H.R. 2019, the Smart Energy and Water Efficiency Act of 2019, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ H.R. 2041, the Weatherization Enhancement and Local Energy Efficiency Investment and Accountability Act, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ H.R. 2043, the Home Owner Managing Energy Savings Act of 2019, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ H.R. 2044, the Smart Building Acceleration Act, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ H.R. 2088, A Bill to amend the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 to reauthorize the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program, and for other purposes, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ H.R. 2114, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Emergency Preparedness Act of 2019, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ H.R. 2119, A Bill to amend the Energy Policy Act of 2005 to reauthorize grants for improving the energy efficiency of public buildings, and for other purposes, submitted by Mr. Rush\2\ Letter of April 9, 2019, from David Bradley, Executive Director, National Community Action Foundation, to Mr. Rush and Mr. Upton, submitted by Mr. Rush................................... 46 ---------- \1\ Mr. Flores presented Mr. Walden's statement orally. \2\ The legislation has been retained in committee files and also is available at https://docs.house.gov/Committee/Calendar/ ByEvent.aspx?EventID=109300. Letter of April 10, 2019, from Paula R. Glover, President and Chief Executive Officer, American Association of Blacks in Energy, to Mr. Rush and Mr. Upton, submitted by Mr. Rush....... 50 Letter of April 8, 2019, from George H. Lowe, Vice President, Governmental Affairs and Public Policy, American Gas Association, to Mr. Rush, et al., submitted by Mr. Rush........ 51 Report of the Government Accountability Office, ``Recovery Act: Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Recipients Face Challenges Meeting Legislative and Program Goals and Requirements,'' April 2011, submitted by Mr. Rush\3\ Technical comments on H.R. ___, Department of Energy, submitted by Mr. Rush.................................................... 53 Letter of April 10, 2019, from Bryan Howard, Legislative Director, U.S. Green Building Council, to Mr. Rush and Mr. Upton, submitted by Mr. Rush................................... 72 Letter of February 26, 2019, from Abigail Ross Harper, President and Chief Executive Officer, Solar Energy Industry Association, to Mr. Pallone, et al., submitted by Mr. Rush.................. 77 Letter of February 26, 2019, from Joni Davis and Stan Sherrill, Vice Presidents, Duke Energy, to Mr. Rush, submitted by Mr. Rush........................................................... 79 Letter of February 27, 2019, from Jason Hartke, President, Alliance to Save Energy, to Mr. Rush, submitted by Mr. Rush.... 80 Letter of April 9, 2019, from Randy Bennett, IL Weatherization, et al., to Mr. Pallone and Mr. Walden, submitted by Mr. Rush... 81 Article of July 10, 2018, ``Pa. Auditor General: State failed to spend federal energy assistance funds meant to aid poor,'' by Kate Giammarise, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, submitted by Mr. Rush 89 ---------- \3\ The report has been retained in committee files and also is available at https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF03/20190410/109300/ HHRG-116-IF03-20190410-SD989.pdf. INVESTING IN AMERICA'S ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE: IMPROVING ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CREATING A DIVERSE WORKFORCE ---------- WEDNESDAY, APRIL 10, 2019 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Energy, Committee on Energy and Commerce, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:03 a.m., in the John D. Dingell Room 2123, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Bobby L. Rush (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Members present: Representatives Rush, Peters, Sarbanes, McNerney, Tonko, Loebsack, Schrader, Kennedy, Veasey, Kuster, Kelly, Barragan, O'Halleran, Blunt Rochester, Pallone (ex officio), Upton (subcommittee ranking member), Latta, Rodgers, McKinley, Griffith, Johnson, Bucshon, Flores, Hudson, Walberg, and Duncan. Staff present: Adam Fischer, Policy Analyst; Rick Kessler, Senior Advisor and Staff Director, Energy and Environment; Brendan Larkin, Policy Coordinator; John Marshall, Policy Coordinator; Elisabeth Olson, FERC Detailee; Tuley Wright, Energy and Environment Policy Advisor; Mary Martin, Minority Chief Counsel, Energy and Environment; Brandon Mooney, Minority Deputy Chief Counsel, Energy; Brannon Rains, Minority Staff Assistant; and Peter Spencer, Minority Senior Professional Staff Member, Energy and Environment. Mr. Rush. The committee hearing is called to order. And I recognize myself for 5 minutes for an opening statement. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. BOBBY L. RUSH, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS I want to welcome everyone to today's hearing entitled ``Investing in America's Energy Infrastructure: Improving Energy Efficiency and Creating a Diverse Workforce.'' This hearing will focus on a series of bills designed to make Americans' homes, businesses, and energy infrastructure more efficient and cost-effective, while also investing in a diverse workforce to build, operate, and manage this infrastructure. Unfortunately, our colleagues, our colleague Mr. Welch had to return to his home State of Vermont and will miss today's hearing. But as we all know, he has been a strong supporter of the HOMES Act and Smart Building Acceleration Act, and he sends his regrets in not being able to speak today on those two important measures. Most of today's bills enjoy bipartisan support. And I would like to thank Ranking Member Upton for working with my office in cosponsoring H.R. 2114, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Emergency Preparedness Act. This bill would provide much-needed assistance to State Energy Offices to plan for and respond to energy disruptions from both physical and cyber threats. And I look forward to moving it forward. While I support each of the bills before us, I want to concentrate my remarks on H.R. 1315, the Blue to Green Collar Jobs Act, which continues to be one of my top priorities. H.R. 1315 is in essence a jobs bill designed to train underserved groups, including women, minorities, veterans, unemployed energy workers, and returning citizens, among others, for the energy jobs and energy careers in the present and the future. Today marks the second hearing on this important bill, providing an opportunity to hear directly from DOE, as my Republican colleagues have repeatedly requested. It is my hope that following this hearing the minority side will finally accept my repeated offer to work with my office on this bill as we move it through this legislative process. Despite their refusal to work with me following the first hearing on this bill, my office has made several changes to the bill to strengthen it and to make it much more inclusive. In addition to opening up the grant program for training in nuclear energy and carbon testing and storage, we have also clarified that grants and assistance would be made available to labor unions and qualified youth and conservation corps. We strengthened the reporting requirements and accountability measures for evaluating performance and impact, while also streamlining the definition for underrepresented groups through the bill, and adding language to prevent the duplication of programs at DOE. Relying on the technical assistance comments that we received from DOE from both the current and previous administrations, I am confident that the program established in H.R. 1315 will go a long way in producing actual results, in the form of jobs filled, rather than the ceaseless and nonsensical talk and planning that has too often been the norm. It is my hope that following today's hearing my Republican colleagues will finally agree to discuss actual substance with my office so we can move this much-needed bill forward. I look forward to hearing from today's panel of DOE officials on all of the bills before us here today. And I would like to call now on my good friend and colleague from my neighboring State of Michigan, Ranking Member Upton, for his opening statement. [The prepared statement of Mr. Rush follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Bobby L. Rush I would like to welcome everyone to today's hearing entitled ``Investing in America's Energy Infrastructure: Improving Energy Efficiency and Creating a Diverse Workforce.'' This hearing will focus on a series of bills designed to make Americans' homes, buildings and energy infrastructure more efficient and cost-effective, while also investing in a diverse workforce to build, operate, and manage this infrastructure. Unfortunately, our colleague Mr. Welch had to return to Vermont and will miss today's hearing, but as we all know he has been a strong supporter of the HOMES Act and Smart Building Acceleration Act and he regrets not being able to speak on those two measures today. Most of today's bill enjoy bipartisan support and I would like to thank Ranking Member Upton for working with my office in cosponsoring H.R. 2114, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Emergency Preparedness Act. This bill would provide much-needed assistance to State Energy Offices to plan for and respond to energy disruptions from both physical and cyber threats, and I look forward to moving it forward. While I support each of the bills before us today, I want to concentrate my remarks on H.R. 1315, the Blue to Green Collar Jobs Act, which continues to be one of my top priorities. H.R. 1315 is a jobs bill designed to train underserved groups, including women, minorities, veterans, unemployed energy workers, and returning citizens, among others, for the energy jobs and careers of the present and future. Today marks the second hearing on this important bill, providing an opportunity to hear directly from DOE, as my Republican colleagues have requested. It is my hope that following this hearing, the minority side will finally accept my repeated offers to work with my office on this bill as we move it through the legislative process. Despite their refusal to work with me following the first hearing on this bill, my office has made several changes to the bill to strengthen it and make it more inclusive. In addition to opening up the grant program for training in nuclear energy and carbon capture and storage, we have also clarified that grants and assistance would be made available to labor unions and qualified youth and conservation corps. We strengthened the reporting requirements and accountability measures for evaluating performance and impact, while also streamlining the definition for underrepresented groups throughout the bill and adding language to prevent the duplication of programs at DOE. Relying on the technical assistance comments we received from DOE from both the current and previous administrations, I am confident that the program established in H.R. 1315 will go a long way in producing actual results, in the form of jobs filled, rather than the ceaseless talk and planning stages that has too often been the norm. It is my hope that following today's hearing my Republican colleagues will finally agree to discuss actual substance with my office so we can move this much-needed bill forward with bipartisan support. As we have heard time and time again in numerous hearings on this topic, there are tens of thousands of jobs available right now, today, and employers are begging for trained, qualified candidates to fill those openings. My office remains ready and willing to work with any Member to address any legitimate concerns that will ultimately help to put thousands of hardworking yet overlooked and underserved Americans back to work. I look forward to hearing from today's panel of DOE officials on all of the bills here before us, and now I would like to call on my friend and colleague, Ranking Member Upton for his opening statement. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. FRED UPTON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN Mr. Upton. Well, thank you, my friend and chairman, for holding this hearing on eight Department of Energy workforce and efficiency bills. I am pleased to see that our bill from the last Congress is included, H.R. 2144, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Emergency Preparedness Act. You and I worked together on that bill. And it passed the House by a voice vote. Somehow we have to get it through the Senate. I look forward to seeing this bill get across the finish line in this Congress. As you know from our oversight work, our energy infrastructure is comprised of a vast network of energy and electricity delivery systems. These intricate and highly interdependent systems enable almost every aspect of our daily life. The Nation's economy, security, and the health and safety of its citizens depends upon the reliable and uninterrupted delivery of fuels and electricity, which is why it is so important to stay on top of maintenance and modernization. And at the same time, we have to also remain vigilant when it comes to energy security planning and emergency preparedness. Since the inception of the Department of Energy's State Energy Program in 1975, the manner in which energy and power is generated, transmitted and delivered continues to rapidly change and evolve. Recent hurricanes, fires, and cyber-related events have raised real concerns about the security and resiliency of the Nation's energy and electricity systems. And States have emphasized the need to prioritize energy security, energy planning, and energy infrastructure protection. H.R. 2144 will indeed modernize and reauthorize DOE's State Energy Program through 2025. It is a good bill that will help States with the tools to plan and prepare for energy security emergencies. I would encourage all of my colleagues to support it. We also have a couple over bipartisan bills from the last Congress: H.R. 2019, the Smart Energy and Water Efficiency Act; H.R. 2044, the Smart Building Acceleration Act. These bills will help save energy in public buildings and encourage the adoption of innovative technologies to conserve water in communities across the country. These are good bipartisan bills. I look forward to receiving input from DOE to further perfect them. Unfortunately, we have not had enough time to review some of the other bills before us today because they were introduced just this week, and we haven't had the opportunity for background hearings for understanding them. I am also troubled by the fact that the majority has not seemed to take an interest in our offer to make good the Workforce Bill bipartisan. As we have said, we should return to the original version that was agreed upon. I believe that we can improve the bill and it can pass again with unanimous consent if it were simply ``all of the above'' and inclusive of every underrepresented group, including women and veterans. Mr. Chairman, I know that we can return to regular order so that Members have the opportunity to make informed judgments about the need for legislation and the effect of these bills. I want to thank our two witnesses, Assistant Secretary Simmons and Dr. Campos, for appearing before us today so that we can learn about DOE's efforts on efficiency and workforce development, and determine whether additional legislative authorities are necessary. Given the price tag of these new bills and the tens of billions of dollars, we owe it to the taxpayers and the consumers to take our time to determine whether the spending is justified. I promise to keep an open mind. And as I have said before, we are ready to get to work if all of us are serious about the effort. I yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Upton follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Fred Upton Thank you, Mr. Chairman for holding this hearing on eight Department of Energy workforce and efficiency bills. I am pleased to see that our bill from last Congress was included, H.R. 2144, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Emergency Preparedness Act. You and I worked together on that bill, and it passed the House by voice vote. I look forward to seeing this bill get across the finish line this Congress. As we know from our oversight work, our energy infrastructure is comprised of a vast network of energy and electricity delivery systems. These intricate and highly interdependent systems enable almost every aspect of our daily lives. The Nation's economy, security, and the health and safety of its citizens depend upon the reliable and uninterrupted delivery of fuels and electricity, which is why it is so important to stay on top of maintenance and modernization. At the same time, we must also remain vigilant when it comes to energy security planning and emergency preparedness. Since the inception of the Department of Energy's State Energy Program in 1975, the manner in which energy and power is generated,transmitted, and delivered continues to rapidly change and evolve. Recent hurricanes, fires, and cyber-related events have raised concerns about the security and resiliency of the Nation's energy and electricity systems, and States have emphasized the need to prioritize energy security, emergency planning, and energy infrastructure protection. H.R. 2144 will modernize and reauthorize DOE's State Energy Program through 2025. It's a good bill that will help States with tools to plan and prepare for energy security emergencies. I encourage my colleagues to support. We also have a couple other bipartisan bills from last Congress, H.R. 2019, the Smart Energy and Water Efficiency Act; and, H.R. 2044, the Smart Building Acceleration Act. These bills will help save energy in public buildings and encourage the adoption of innovative technologies to conserve water in communities across the country. These are also good, bipartisan bills, and I look forward to receiving input from DOE to further perfect them. Unfortunately, we haven't had enough time to review some of the other bills before us today, because they were just introduced on Monday and we haven't had the opportunity for background hearings. I am also troubled by the fact that the Majority has not seemed to take interest in our offer to make the workforce bill bipartisan. As we have said, we should return to the original version that was agreed upon. I believe we could improve the bill and it could pass again with unanimous consent if it were simply ``all of the above'' and inclusive of all underrepresented groups, including women and veterans. Mr. Chairman, I hope we can return to regular order so that Members have the opportunity to make informed judgements about the need for legislation and the effect of these bills. I would like to thank our DOE witnesses, Assistant Secretary Daniel Simmons and Mr. James Campos, for appearing before us today so that we can learn about DOE's efforts on efficiency and workforce development and determine whether additional legislative authorities are necessary. Given the price tag of these new bills is in the tens of billions of dollars, we owe it to our taxpayers and to consumers to take our time and determine whether the spending is justified. I'll keep an open mind, and as I've said before, we are ready to get to work if the Democrats are serious about this effort. It is disappointing that we're starting this way with some of these bills, but I hope things will improve if we can get a commitment to return to regular order. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Pallone, the chairman of the full committee, for 5 minutes for his opening statement. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. FRANK PALLONE, Jr., A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY Mr. Pallone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Today we are here to discuss legislation that invests in making our Nation's infrastructure more energy efficient. This important investment will create good-paying jobs, save consumers money, and help us combat climate change by reducing carbon pollution. Countries across the globe are investing in energy efficiency, and it is making a difference. According to the International Energy Agency, the world would have used 12 percent more energy in 2016 had it not been for efficiency gains achieved since 2000. And that is comparable to adding another European Union to the global energy market. A critical piece of infrastructure includes making homes, buildings, cities, and manufacturing facilities more energy efficient. Efficiency work supports thousands of good-paying jobs at small businesses in every State. And weatherizing homes or retrofitting public buildings saves money and supports our efforts to address climate change. The eight bills before us will increase energy efficiency, develop a modern energy workforce, and strengthen energy security. H.R. 2043, the Home Owner Managing Energy Savings, or HOMES Act, introduced by Representatives Welch and McKinley, provides cash rebates of up to $5,000 to homeowners for performing retrofits that achieve home energy savings. H.R. 2041, introduced by Representative Tonko, Chairman Rush, and Representative Kaptur, would also help homeowners save money and create jobs. This bill increased funding for the Department of Energy's Weatherization Assistance Program to $350 million annually and modernizes the program. This technology can also be a driver for increased energy efficiency. And Representatives McNerney, Welch, and Kinzinger have introduced bills that analyze and support new technologies in smart buildings and water systems. The subcommittee will also review two bills that reauthorize grant programs to assist States and local governments in making public infrastructure more energy efficient. Representatives Stanton and Veasey introduced H.R. 2088, which increases funding for the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program. This program provides grants to States and local communities to assist their efforts to reduce fossil fuel emissions and conserve energy. And this is something that has been a priority for mayors and local elected officials around the country, in large part because it funds infrastructure that will save those communities money. Similarly, H.R. 2119, introduced by Representative Kelly, increases funding for DOE grants to improve the efficiency of public buildings. Both programs provide critical support to local communities that often lack the resources to take on large scale public efficiency-related projects. We should also look at investing in the skilled workers who manufacture equipment and build and operate plants. Chairman Rush's Blue Collar to Green Collar Jobs Development Act established a comprehensive, nationwide program at DOE to improve education and training for jobs in energy-related industries. And, finally, we have H.R. 2114, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Emergency Preparedness Act, introduced by Chairman Rush and Ranking Member Upton. Obviously, this bill is bipartisan and reauthorizes the State Energy Program at $90 million per year and allows States to use the funds to implement a State Energy Security Plan. The bill passed the House by a voice vote during the last Congress, and I am hopeful that we can get it to the President's desk before the end of this Congress. So, again, this is a legislative hearing on these bills. We would like to move these bills. I want to commend the sponsors for their work on these important issues, and thank Mr. Simmons for appearing before the committee for the second time this year. And I yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Pallone follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Frank Pallone, Jr. Today, we're here to discuss legislation that invests in making our Nation's infrastructure more energy efficient. This important investment will create good paying jobs, save consumers money and help us combat climate change by reducing carbon pollution. Countries across the globe are investing in energy efficiency, and it's making a difference. According to the International Energy Agency, the world would have used 12 percent more energy in 2016 had it not been for efficiency gains achieved since 2000. That's comparable to adding another European Union to the global energy market. A critical piece of infrastructure includes making homes, buildings, cities and manufacturing facilities more energy efficient. Efficiency work supports thousands of good-paying jobs at small businesses in every State. And, weatherizing homes or retrofitting public buildings saves money and supports our efforts to address climate change. The eight bills before us will increase energy efficiency, develop a modern energy workforce and strengthen energy security. H.R. 2043, the Home Owner Managing Energy Savings (HOMES) Act of 2019, introduced by Reps. Welch and McKinley, provides cash rebates of up to $5,000 to homeowners for performing retrofits that achieve home energy savings. H.R. 2041, introduced by Rep. Tonko, Chairman Rush and Rep. Kaptur, would also help homeowners save money and create jobs. This bill increases funding for the Department of Energy's (DOE) Weatherization Assistance Program to $350 million annually and modernizes the program. Technology can also be a driver for increased energy efficiency, and Reps. McNerney, Welch and Kinzinger have introduced bills that analyze and support new technologies in smart buildings and water systems. The subcommittee will also review two bills that reauthorize grant programs to assist States and local governments in making public infrastructure more energy efficient. Reps. Stanton and Veasey introduced H.R. 2088, which increases funding for the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program. This program provides grants to States and local communities to assist their efforts to reduce fossil fuel emissions and conserve energy. This is something that has been a priority for mayors and local elected officials around the country, in large part because it funds infrastructure that will save communities money. Similarly, H.R. 2119, introduced by Rep. Kelly, increases funding for DOE grants to improve the efficiency of public buildings. Both programs provide critical support to local communities that often lack the resources to take on large scale public efficiency-related projects. We should also look at investing in the skilled workers who manufacture equipment and build and operate plants. Chairman Rush's Blue Collar to Green Collar Jobs Development Act establishes a comprehensive, nationwide program at DOE to improve education and training for jobs in energy-related industries. Finally, we have H.R. 2114, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Emergency Preparedness Act, introduced by Chairman Rush and Ranking Member Upton. This bill reauthorizes the State Energy Program at $90 million per year and allows States to use the funds to implement a State Energy Security Plan. The bill passed the House by voice vote during the last Congress and I'm hopeful we can get it to the President's desk before the end of this one. I commend the bill sponsors for their work on these important issues and thank Mr. Simmons for appearing before the committee for the second time this year. I yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Sarbanes. Will the gentleman yield the balance? Mr. Pallone. Oh, I'm sorry. I yield to the gentleman from Maryland. Mr. Sarbanes. Yes. I appreciate that. I just wanted to echo your comments and say that we have a lot of very strong proposals here in terms of energy efficiency. I want to thank Congressman Rush in particular for the Blue Collar to Green Collar Jobs Employment Act. In Baltimore, Baltimore City and a number of partners, including originally the Department of Energy here under the Obama administration, but also foundations, and businesses, and workforce development groups have put forth an initiative called Baltimore Shines, which is to install solar panels on the homes of low-income and moderate-income residents in Baltimore City so there is a positive impact on the bottom line in terms of their utility costs, reducing their utility costs. Also, obviously, helping reduce the carbon footprint when it comes to the environment and making sure we are doing the right thing. But, also, a pipeline, as was alluded to, generally a pipeline for the workforce to move to green-collar jobs, which can really establish somebody and put them on a path to sufficiency. So, I thank you for those bills. And thank you, Congressman Rush, for your proposal. I yield back to Congressman Pallone. Mr. Pallone. I thank the gentleman. I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Rush. The Chair also thanks the gentleman for his kind remarks. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Flores, who is speaking for the ranking member, Mr. Walden, who is not present. The Chair recognizes Mr. Flores to read Mr. Walden's statement for 5 minutes. [Whereupon Mr. Flores read from Mr. Walden's statement.] OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. GREG WALDEN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF OREGON Mr. Flores. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this hearing to continue our oversight of the Department of Energy's Energy Efficiency and Workforce Development Programs. I would also like to thank our DOE witnesses, Assistant Secretary Daniel Simmons and Mr. James Campos, for appearing before us today. Daniel actually testified at our last subcommittee hearing, so we welcome you back for another round of questioning. I hope you feel the same. Before I get into the substance of the eight bills before us today I need to make a point about the regular order and process. As yet another week goes by without a single substantive legislative accomplishments, the Democrats are still struggling with the basic principle of regular order. We are familiar with three of the bills before us today from last Congress, and they are bipartisan. And that is we are appreciative of that. The rest of these bills, unfortunately, have just been jammed through without regular order. In fact, some of them were just introduced on Monday so that they could be squeezed into this hearing. There were no background hearings held to establish the nature of the legislation. There was no technical assistance sought from the Department of Energy. There were no Republicans included in the drafting process at all. This is not regular order, and it is certainly not a process that the Democrats should be proud of. The estimated price tag for all eight bills is a staggering $26 billion. This includes more than a half-billion dollars for a green-collar jobs program; $15 million for a new energy and water efficiency pilot program; another half-billion dollars for energy-efficient public buildings; $1.8 billion for weatherization assistance; $1.3 billion for a new home energy savings retrofit rebate program; and last but not least, an astounding $21 billion for energy efficiency block grants. Mr. Chairman, we owe it to our constituents and to consumers across the country to give this a much more serious effort. Rather than rushing to authorize tens of billions of dollars of additional spending, we should have real oversight hearings to better understand the needs and to discover that there are gaps that require Congress to provide DOE with additional statutory authorities. With all of these new grant programs for efficiency, we have no idea if they are actually necessary, or if they are duplicative, or if they are in conflict with other existing programs. Since several of these bills do provide grants to State and local governments, members of this subcommittee should hear from those State and local governments directly to identify gaps and see how the Federal Government can better support their efforts on energy efficiency and workforce development. Also, since several of these bills revive expired programs, we should get our lessons learned from past experiences before determining whether programs should be reauthorized and, if so, how much we should spend. Unfortunately, at the rate we are going we are not going to get the opportunity to explore these issues more deeply. As a result, we are going to have partisan bills that pick winners and losers and reward special interests over consumers and over taxpayers. Worse yet, we are going to repeat the mistakes of the past by doubling down on failed efforts from President Obama's Green Jobs Program. Republicans are focused on real solutions to encourage energy efficiency and workforce development. We should not be wasting our time reviving old, expired efficiency programs, some of which have not received funding in years. We are ready to work when Democrats are willing to reach across the aisle and to make a serious effort. I am disappointed that we are starting off this way, but I continue to remain hopeful that we can get back on track. With that, thank you for holding this hearing, and I yield back the balance of my time. Prepared Statement of Hon. Greg Walden Thank you, Mr. Chairman for holding this hearing to continue our oversight of the Department of Energy's energy efficiency and workforce development programs. I would also like to thank our DOE witnesses, Assistant Secretary Daniel Simmons and Mr. James Campos, for appearing before us today. Daniel actually testified at our last subcommittee hearing, so we welcome him back for another round of questioning. Before I get into the substance of the eight bills before us today, I need to make a point about regular order and process. As yet another week goes by without a single substantive legislative accomplishment, the Democrats are still struggling with the basic principle of regular order. We are familiar with three of the bills before us today from last Congress, and they are bipartisan. The rest of these bills have been jammed through without regular order. In fact, some of them were just introduced on Monday so they could be squeezed into this hearing. There was no technical assistance sought from the Department of Energy. There were no Republicans included in the drafting process at all. This is not regular order, and it is certainly not a process that Democrats should be proud of. The estimated price tag for all eight bills is a staggering $26 billion. This includes more than $500 million for a green- collar jobs training program; $15 million for a new energy and water efficiency pilot program; $500 million for energy efficient public buildings; $1.75 billion for the weatherization assistance program; $1.25 billion for a new home energy savings retrofit rebate program; and, last but not least, an astounding $21 billion for energy efficiency block grants. Mr. Chairman, we owe it to our constituents and to consumers across the country to give this a more serious effort. Rather than rushing to authorize tens of billions of dollars in additional spending, we should have real oversight hearings to better understand the needs, and to discover if there are gaps that require Congress to provide DOE with additional statutory authorities. With all of these new grant programs for efficiency, we have no idea if they are actually necessary or even if they are duplicative of other existing programs. Since several of these bills provide grants to State and local governments, members of the subcommittee should hear from them directly to identify gaps and see how the Federal Government can better support their efforts on energy efficiency and workforce development. And since several of these bills revive expired programs, we should gather lessons learned from past experiences, before determining whether the programs should be reauthorized, and if so, how much we should spend. Unfortunately, at the rate we are going, we are not going to get the opportunity to explore these issues more deeply. As a result, we are going to have partisan bills that pick winners and losers and reward special interests over consumers. Worse yet, we are going to repeat the mistakes of the past by doubling down on failed efforts from President Obama's Green Jobs program. Republicans are focused on solutions to encourage energy efficiency and workforce development. We should not be wasting our time reviving old, expired efficiency programs--some of which have not received funding in years. We are ready to get to work when the Democrats are willing to reach across the aisle and make a serious effort. I am disappointed that we're starting off this way, but I continue to remain hopeful that we can get back on track. With that, thank you for holding this hearing, and I yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back. I want to respond, but the chairman of the full committee has prevailed upon me to just ignore the comments and continue with the hearing. So wisdom has prevailed, and I am not going to respond to the other side's comments. So, now we will recognize our witnesses. Our first witness today before us is the Honorable Daniel Simmons. He is the Assistant Secretary of the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy at the Department of Energy. And the Honorable Mr. James Campos, the Director of the Office of Economic Impact and Diversity at the Department of Energy. And we want to welcome Assistant Secretary Simmons back to the committee, and thank both he and Director Campos for joining us today. And we look forward to your testimony. Now, the chairman will now recognize each witness for 5 minutes to provide their opening statement. Before we begin, I would like to explain the lighting system to our witnesses. In front of you, if you are not aware of this, there is a series of lights. The light will initially be green at the start of your opening statement. The light will turn yellow when you have 1 minute remaining on your opening statement. Please at that time begin to wrap up your testimony. The light will turn red when your time expires. Secretary Simmons, right now you are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENTS OF DANIEL R. SIMMONS, ASSISTANT SECRETARY, OFFICE OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY; AND JAMES E. CAMPOS, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF ECONOMIC IMPACT AND DIVERSITY, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY STATEMENT OF DANIEL R. SIMMONS Mr. Simmons. Thank you, Chairman Rush, Chairman Pallone, Ranking Member Upton, and members of the subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the Department of Energy regarding a number of bills addressing energy efficiency issues that are being considered by this committee. One of my top priorities in the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy is energy affordability, and cost- effective energy efficiency is an important aspect of overall energy affordability. The United States' approximately 125 million homes and commercial buildings are the single largest energy consuming sector in the United States, consuming 74 percent of the Nation's energy use, and over 80 percent at periods of peak demand. There are obviously opportunities for cost-effective energy efficiency improvements in this sector. Today I would like to share some of the relevant work my office has done and is doing on the areas that these bills address. The HOMES Act would create a program through the Department of Energy to provide rebates to homeowners for achieving home energy savings. Residential buildings use an estimated 21 percent of all energy used in the United States. And 55 percent of the Nation's 118 million homes were built before 1980, meaning that there is a lot of opportunity for energy-efficient retrofits. In EERE we are initiating research to develop better solutions for achieving cost-effective energy efficiency savings through advancements in building construction technologies, less intrusive installation methods, and more effective integrated envelope and heating/cooling technologies. To me this is somewhat personal in that, as someone who lives in a home built in 1948, it is something I think about a lot, especially when staff comes and talks about building technologies. So there are definitely opportunities in terms of energy- efficient retrofits. We also implement a variety of programs that promote residential energy efficiency, including the Home Performance with Energy Star Program, which works with EPA and local sponsors. So far, the Home Performance with Energy Star Program partners have reported completing improvements to nearly 700,000 homes. Additionally, EERE's Weatherization Assistance Program developed and maintains foundational workforce training and certification programs to ensure the work is performed in residential weatherization retrofits for low-income homes. The Smart Building Acceleration Act would take a number of actions related to evaluating and advancing the current state of ``smart buildings'' in the private and Federal sectors. Because buildings consume 74 percent of electricity generation, the Building Technology Office is working with National Labs, private sector partners, and others to examine grid flexibility to greater and better building control and communication technology. We believe there is an opportunity through smart building technology to improve energy integration and storage options for both building owners and grid operators. We also recognize the importance of cyber security being built in from the very beginning of these projects. Also, I should note that EERE's Federal Energy Management Program works closely with other Federal agencies to improve the energy efficiency and smartness of Federal buildings. The Weatherization Enhancement and Local Energy Efficiency Investment and Accountability Act would reauthorize the Weatherization Assistance Program through 2024. The President's budget requests no funding for the weatherization, for WAP and the State Energy Program. DOE understands the congressional interest in these programs and will continue to manage them consistent with statute. The Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Bill expands the purpose of the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program to include diversifying energy supplies, including facilitating and promoting the use of alternative fuels, and reauthorizes the program at $3.5 billion annually from 2020 through 2025. The Improving Energy Efficiency in Public Buildings Bill would authorize grants for improving energy efficiency in public buildings at $100 million annually from 2021 to 2025. The Smart Energy and Water Efficiency Act would award grants to eligible entities to demonstrate advanced and innovative technology-based solutions to improve the energy efficiency of water, wastewater, and water reuse systems. DOE is implementing a number of initiatives to promote affordable, efficient, and secure water supplies. One effort is the Water Security Grand Challenge focusing on improving desalination; produced water from oil and gas as well as some nuclear mining; resource recovery from wastewater; the use of cooling-reducing the use of cooling water at thermoelectric plants; and improving small modular energy systems, energy- water systems for urban, rural, Tribal, national security, and disaster response settings. The Advanced Manufacturing Office works with water utilities and other industrial partners to improve their energy and water efficiency through efforts such as the voluntary recognition program Better Plants--or Better Buildings, Better Plants. Also, EERE's Weatherization Intergovernmental Program Office provides technical assistance that focuses specifically on the efficiency of wastewater treatment facilities, including WIP's Sustainable Wastewater Infrastructure of the Future Accelerator. Mr. Rush. Mr. Secretary, will you bring your remarks to the end. Mr. Simmons. This is it. This is the last line. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before the subcommittee and discuss these important energy efficiency issues. I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Simmons follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Rush. Good timing. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Campos for 5 minutes for his opening, of an opening statement. STATEMENT OF JAMES E. CAMPOS Mr. Campos. Thank you. Chairman Rush, Ranking Member Upton, and members of the subcommittee, it is a privilege and honor to serve at the Department of Energy, an agency tasked with, among other important responsibilities, managing the Department's 17 National Laboratories, supporting early-stage energy R&D across a wide range of science and engineering disciplines, managing the Nation's nuclear weapons, and working effectively with States on our Nation's energy challenges. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today on behalf of the Department regarding legislation pertinent to the DOE. ED's mission is broad and diverse, with a number of programs and initiatives that focus on meeting its statutory obligations and enhancing the value of DOE's mission. ED's programs and initiatives are focused on businesses and education to establish critical linkages among minority-serving institutions, minority businesses, and Federal agencies to address economic development in underserved communities, and to support energy workforce development. ED is committed to increasing efforts for supporting greater inclusion of underserved minority populations--African American, Hispanic, Native American, Asian American and Pacific Islander, Puerto Rican, and Alaska Native--including women, veterans, and formerly incarcerated persons, into science, technology, engineering, mathematic fields, and energy-related industries. As Deputy Secretary Brouillette assured the chairman during his hearing before this committee in January of 2018, ED has recently reinvigorated the Minorities in Energy Initiative, now being called Equity in Energy. The program is twofold, with external and internal engagements. For external engagement, ED is conducting listening sessions across the country with underrepresented groups to share insights and ideas to increase minority representation in the energy sector. And share ideas to increase minority representation, sorry, in the energy sector. For internal engagement, ED is working with all of the Department's program offices and the National Laboratories to bring awareness to these issues and address potential solutions. The Equity in Energy initiative focuses on STEM aptitude, supplier diversity, technical assistance, and workforce development. ED also administers the Minority Educational Institution Student Partnership Program, MEISPP, which provides students with summer internships at the DC headquarters and the 17 National Labs. Since 2005, over 650 interns from minority- serving educational institutions have participated in the program. DOE has provided over $700 million to support Historically Black Colleges and Universities, HBCUs, and other minority- serving institutions through research and development programs. In fact, my office was able to partner with and provide financial assistance to several HBCUs and MSIs this year to promote STEM and energy-related fields. To further these efforts, ED is working to release a Funding Opportunity Announcement this fiscal year. Additionally, I am the Department's White House Initiative designee to Promote Excellence and Innovation at HBCUs. In this role, I lead the Economic Development and Competitiveness cluster, and collaborate with the Departments of Treasury, Housing and Urban Development, Education, Commerce, Agriculture, as well as the Small Business Administration. The cluster aims to engage the Nation's HBCUs to develop workforce and community investments partnerships. With respect to this proposed legislation, please note that the Department has provided the committee with technical assistance in reviewing the bill, and will continue to work with the committee as the legislation being discussed today is advanced. Thank you again for this opportunity to be here today. It is an honor and privilege to served in this capacity. The Department appreciates the ongoing bipartisan efforts, bipartisan efforts to address our Nation's energy challenges. And I look forward to addressing any questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Campos follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Rush. I want to thank the gentleman. Want to thank all of our witnesses. Members, we have a vote on the floor. It has been called. And it is my intention to recess the subcommittee until immediately after the vote. So, at this point in time I am going to ask our witnesses if they would remain with us. We should be about 25 minutes to an hour. So, we will reconvene immediately after the last vote. Thank you. And the subcommittee stands recessed. [Recess.] Mr. Rush. We have concluded with the opening statements, and now we will move to Members' questioning. Each Member will have 5 minutes to ask questions of the witnesses. And I will start by recognizing myself for 5 minutes. Director Campos, as you know, the issue of increasing opportunities for minorities and other underserved groups is very important to me. It is an issue that I have devoted my entire career in public service to, and it is one that I continue to hold on as a top priority as chairman of this subcommittee. That's the reason why I worked so closely with Secretary Moniz in the previous administration on increasing the Minorities in Energy Initiative and why I reintroduced my workforce bill. And I understand that every President has the prerogative to focus on their own priorities. And we all certainly understand that the current President feels a certain way about minorities and about diversity. It is his prerogative to feel no matter which he feels. However, the point of both the Minorities in Energy Initiative as well as my workforce bill is that it really shouldn't matter who is in the White House, that the agency, DOE, has the affirmative responsibility to work on increasing opportunities for all. DOE is one of the largest agencies in the Federal Government. And it receives more taxpayer funding, $30 billion of taxpayers' money, than any department outside of the Pentagon. It should be the agency that is the forefront of all the agencies to create opportunity and to use its resources to benefit all Americans, not simply the ones who are already a part of the GOB, the Good Ol' Boys network, but all Americans. DOE controls billions of taxpayer dollars in contracts, loan guarantees, and funding to schools. Yet, in each and every meeting I have held with agency officials, whether discussing overall contracting dollars or funding through the minority service institutions, or minority contracting as part of the Federal Energy Management Program, FEMP, or lending opportunities with the 17 National Laboratories of our Nation, it is really disheartening to me to hear the same exact excuse: ``Chairman Rush, Ranking Member Rush, the numbers''--I am quoting them now--``the numbers are not as good as they should be. We need to do more.'' End of quote. Director Campos, while I appreciate your traveling around on, quote, ``listening tours,'' end of quote, my objective is to get beyond the talking and the planning stages and to offer concrete and practical policy and procedures that will help benefit all segments of our population. Previously under Department of Energy regulations, the d-e-a-r, DEAR, there were diversity calls that govern all contracting, including management and operating, or M&O, contracting. This would require a diversity plan that includes educational outreach, community outreach, and economic development opportunity through technology transfer with the Labs. The purpose of the diversity plan was to encourage and foster relationships with minority-serving institutions, and to develop continued partnerships with professional and scientific organizations to promote careers in STEM education. The objective of these plans was to create minority participation in contracting and subcontracting opportunities, research and development partnerships, and regular protege responsive relationships, all of which are essential to the objectives of H.R. 1315. Director Campos, I am not going to ask you if your office is working on any type of plan like this because we both already know the answer. But I will be submitting some questions for the record to your Department. And I will also will be bringing up this issue when Secretary Perry comes before this subcommittee next month to discuss DOE's budget. Let's get to work, Director Campos, on these issues so that we can start enacting serious proposals such as my workforce bill in order to address some of the disparities in how the agency does that business. With that, I yield back. And now I recognize my good friend, the ranking member of the subcommittee, Mr. Upton, for 5 minutes for the purpose of asking questions of our witnesses. Mr. Upton. Thank you, my friend. And, Chairman, as I said in my opening statement, we do have a number of concerns, particularly as we look at the total price tag of nearly $26 billion. That ought to get everybody's attention. And as I said, a couple of the bills were introduced just in the last couple days, as recently as Monday. I have just a couple of questions. And would just note that we just finished votes on the House floor. We have another subcommittee that is working. We have Members on both. And we, because of the Democratic retreat, we have no more votes the balance of the week, so folks are off to the races in a variety of ways. Has the Department been asked for their input, and have you supplied any technical assistance, TA, for any of these bills? Mr. Simmons. We have been asked for, for technical assistance on Representative Tonko's bill. I don't know if we have the--we have not given that assistance back. I believe there was a new version of that bill earlier this week. Mr. Upton. In the case of the workforce bill, which I understand you also submitted technical assistance, has there been any response back to concerns that you might have raised to comments? Mr. Simmons. I am not sure. Mr. Upton. That you are aware of? Mr. Simmons. Not that I am aware of. But I am not sure where we are in that process. Mr. Upton. Will you commit to working with us to provide a full audit of the workforce activities before the, hopefully, before the bill moves forward? Mr. Simmons. Sure thing. Mr. Upton. And in the case of the reauthorization of expired programs, can you commit to providing any and all reports and materials related to those programs before these bills hopefully move forward as well? Mr. Simmons. Yes. Mr. Upton. I would also note that I understand DOE's position on the State Energy Program. The administration budget request I think was zero for the funds or for the program. Despite the expired program, I know that we in the Congress, and the President signed $55 million for fiscal year 2019 for the State Energy Programs, in large part because the States do ask for it. Do you have any sense in terms of where, can you help us? If Congress provides the money again are you going to be able to help us? Mr. Simmons. Without a doubt. We will execute on those monies as quickly as we can. Mr. Upton. And I guess the last question that I have is DOE does have an important role to provide technical systems in coordination to support the States in their efforts to plan and respond to emergencies, especially if there are impacts to energy supplies. We have this terrible storm hitting the Midwest right now and coming this way. Hurricane season, you know, never goes away. What can we do to strengthen DOE's ability to protect the Nation's energy supplies during these emergencies? This morning on some of the national news they talked about perhaps widespread power outages that are going to impact the Plains and some of the Midwest with the storm that is coming through. What more can we do as we try to work in a bipartisan basis to help strengthen the States' roles to prepare for these emergencies? Mr. Simmons. I don't have a, I don't have some great answers for that. However, the two offices that are really focused on those activities is the Office of Electricity, as well as the Office of Cyber Security, Energy Security, and Emergency Response. Assistant Secretary Walker and Evans are very much focused on those activities and making sure that the grid is more, can become more resilient. And especially focusing on kind of some of the knock-on effects once there is one problem, understanding the entire system so that we can have an energy system that is, that is more resilient and that is hardened from what it is today. So, we are, especially in QFRs, but I know that those offices would be happy to talk with the committee at any time to provide comments. Mr. Upton. Maybe one last question. As you look at the 50 States and the territories, is there any State that really stands above others, and is there any State or territory that really needs some help? Mr. Simmons. I don't have a good comment on that. But I will take that back and find out and find some good examples. Mr. Upton. I would just note that we have Members from, you know, a lot of States here on this committee I know that we would like to help, particularly as it impacts those constituents wherever they may be. And I would again commend Chairman Rush and others, a couple years ago a number of us went down to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands to see what happened because of the terrible hurricane there. So, with that, I yield back. Thank you. Mr. Rush. I thank the gentleman. Now the Chair recognizes Mr. O'Halleran from Arizona for 5 minutes. Mr. O'Halleran. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member Upton, for convening today's important legislative hearing on energy efficiency legislation. It could not be more timely. Deploying energy efficiency technologies and supporting such programs is critical to conserving our precious energy resources, and essential to bringing real cost savings to Arizonans and Americans throughout my district. As Arizona continues to find ways to integrate wind, hydro, and solar energy into our grid, I look forward to introducing legislation in this Congress to help our electrical grid make more resilient and efficient. For a recent southwest energy efficiency project study, Arizona has an energy savings of 21 percent, and potential water savings of 4.1 billion gallons per year if certain efficiency programs are in place. Mr. Campos, in your testimony you highlighted the Equity in Energy initiative you run within the DOE to promote ethnic representations in the workforce. Could you provide a quick update on the listening sessions your office has had with Tribal communities? Mr. Campos. Sure, Congressman. Thank you. We have just started this initiative about 3 months ago. And one of our first active listening sessions we did a conference called RES which deals with most of the Native American Tribes across the Nation. It was a productive session. And we, we sat there and listening on areas of STEM aptitude and supplier diversity. And it went well. What we are doing now is compiling all the information, visiting other States, also doing events in Tulsa with Native Americans, and figuring out what is their exact part within this process and how we can progress forward in a both efficient and sustainable manner. Mr. O'Halleran. I would suggest that you come to Arizona. We have a large number of Tribes there. The Navajo Nation is the largest Tribal Nation in this country and within my district, and we do have some unique problems there. So, thank you for your answer. As we discussed back in February, I believe the Blue Collar and Green Jobs Act has the potential to help increase and diversify our energy workforce by providing funding for transmitting energy workers--transitioning energy workers to learn new energy-efficient trades. How would H.R. 1315 help Native Americans increase their representation in the energy efficiency workforce? Mr. Campos? Mr. Campos. Thank you, Congressman. Any assistance within the workforce development range helps out all the minority sectors across the country, be it Native Americans, African Americans, Hispanics, Asian Americans. So, the resources will be put forth equally and distributed in a manner in which is appropriate. Mr. O'Halleran. As you know, my district is home to coal generation power plants, including the Navajo Generation Station. Recognizing the many challenges coal-fired power plants are facing across the country and remaining open, I have a keen interest in the economic and societal impacts coal plant closures have on local communities. Mr. Campos, does DOE use Section 201 of H.R. 1315 in its ability to help displaced coal workers transition to new energy efficiency jobs with good living wages? Mr. Campos. Congressman, that is probably a question I will have to get back to you on to make sure that I am giving the right information. Mr. O'Halleran. Mr. Simmons, I would like to ask you about H.R. 2114, the Enhancing State Energy Security Planning and Energy Preparedness Act of 2019. In the last month there have been some documented fuel shortages in Central Arizona causing a 30 cent per gallon increase at the pump. Would this legislation help States develop State Energy Security Plans to prevent future lapses in fuel such as this? Mr. Simmons. Well, it would all come down to how good the State Energy Security Plan is. But if there are certain, hopefully, I think that that is--that that would be the goal, to be able to look at some of those challenges, especially foreseeable challenges that may happen in situations like that. Mr. O'Halleran. Mr. Chairman, I applaud the committee's work to discuss these issues in a bipartisan fashion on this and other issues as this Congress moves forward. And I yield back. Mr. Rush. I thank the gentleman for yielding back. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Latta for 5 minutes. Mr. Latta. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And thanks for today's hearing. And thanks for our witnesses for being with us today. Mr. Assistant Secretary, when reading your testimony you have an area you were talking about the cyber security that you're building, you want to see built into the design, production, and planning of new technologies. I know my friend from California Mr. McNerney and I have worked together on issues on cyber security and also on cyber sense and also the grid and the resiliency there. I'm just kind of interested. And when you are looking at what you want to do and on cyber resilience for all the manufacturing supply chains, could you go into that, what you are looking at? Mr. Simmons. Sure. Well, there is a, there is a number of things. First of all, we recently announced a cyber security in energy efficient manufacturing, which is a new $70 million effort to look at the future of manufacturing in the United States. And the future of manufacturing is likely to be much more automated than it is today. And as we are thinking about new automation, that new automation will increase energy efficiency hopefully. However, new automation creates new, new areas for attack. And so we want to make sure is that as we are from the very beginning looking at any opportunities to make, to make new automation more cyber secure, automation and controls so that they are more cyber secure from the very beginning. The Department of Defense also has a program in energy efficiency of manufacturing. They are focused on existing manufacturing. And as the cyber security and energy efficiency manufacturing program that we recently put out, we will work very closely with DoD to make sure that their comments and insights are considered as we move forward. Mr. Latta. Well, let me follow up then, because when you talk, like, in my district I have 60,000 manufacturing jobs. And when I have been out in my district extensively and, you know, with the automation that is going on, and also Mr. Welch and I who in this committee we did the internet of things working group two Congresses ago. And what we are seeing out there with all of the different technologies going on, how do you work with the companies out there or the manufacturers or the innovators to make sure that they are building this in? And also, at the same time, making sure that what they are putting into the product is secure to begin with, that they are not getting it from an insecure source that might have, you know, something in there that you could have a cyber attack? Mr. Simmons. So, the -- I am not, I don't have a great answer for you. The cyber security and energy efficiency in manufacturing is a new effort so I don't have any stories to tell about that. However, both the Office of Electricity when dealing with the bulk power grid is very much focused on the issue in terms of cyber security of the systems that control the bulk power grid. And, also, the Cyber Security, Energy Security, and Emergency Response Office in DOE is focused on those issues. And I can get you some comments about, about their work and how, how we are working to improve that cyber security. Also, a real asset for the country is the work that happens in the National Labs in terms of cyber security, at places such as Sandia National Lab, Idaho National Lab, Pacific Northwest National Lab, and looking at ways to improve cyber security. And they reach out to the private sector to make sure that they are, that they are coordinating and making sure that best practices are followed, as well as trying to understand where-- what cyber security issues we are seeing today so that we can make improvements. Mr. Latta. Thank you. Mr. Campos, in my remaining minute, how much does the Department of Energy spend on the annual basis, on an annual basis on the Workforce Development Initiatives? Mr. Campos. Thank you, Senator. Our budget within my office, in particular, economic development, diversity, we have a $10 million budget. And a fraction, fractions of it go across the spectrum. And what I mean by that is workforce development is woven in throughout my budget. About 6 point--5.8 million of it is for the actual labor, staffing. And then the rest is divided amongst all the initiatives. So, but workforce development is woven in within the whole, within the remaining budget. Mr. Simmons. And if I may, there are other, there are some things that my office does in terms of workforce development, both the Advanced Manufacturing Office, weatherization, the Weatherization Assistance Program works on workforce development through improving training. There is a number of opportunities, there is a number of things that we are currently doing. We would have to get you a holistic DOE number from across the entire enterprise. Mr. Latta. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, my time has expired, and I yield back. Mr. Rush. I thank the gentleman. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from New York, Mr. Tonko, for 5 minutes. Mr. Tonko. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, gentlemen, for your testimony. Secretary Simmons, I agree that energy affordability should be a top priority. Low-income households pay on average 7.2 percent of household income on utilities--I have seen even higher numbers than that--more than three times the amount that higher-income households pay. And according to the Energy Information Administration, 1 in 3 U.S. households faces challenges, or faced challenges in paying energy bills in 2015. Last week when we debated H.R. 9, a number of Members raised concerns about the costs of energy. And I believe they are sincere about wanting to keep expenses down. So, today I want to offer at least a partial solution on how to help lower utility bills for low-income families. Mr. Secretary, why do you think low-income households pay a disproportionate amount in their utility bills? Mr. Simmons. A disproportionate amount of their income in utility bills? Yes, they do. Mr. Tonko. But why do you think that is the case? Mr. Simmons. Because energy is a, energy is a necessity. Mr. Tonko. But in terms of relative scale to more affluent households, why would their wedge of the pie for energy be disproportionately larger? Mr. Simmons. Well, for one, they have less discretionary income. And so, when you are looking at the most important bills that you pay you have to pay to keep your house warm or cool, you have to pay to keep the lights on, you have to pay to get from point A to point B. Like, there is no way around those things, so. Mr. Tonko. I would suggest, also, that they live in inefficient homes with poor insulation, and perhaps old windows, et cetera. Unfortunately, many of these households cannot afford the up front costs of a retrofit, even when it is for cost-effective efficiency improvements. Luckily, DOE's Weatherization Assistance Program has more than a 40-year track record of making homes safer, healthier, and more energy efficient. The program has provided assistance to more than 7.4 million low-income households since that beginning date of 1976. Now, Mr. Secretary, do you think weatherization assistance provides a positive service to many of America's most vulnerable households, struggling families, seniors on fixed incomes, and the disabled for instance? Mr. Simmons. Yes. Mr. Tonko. Despite the program's success, I believe aspects of the program could be modernized and improved. A lot has changed in 40 years. There are new and emerging technologies and techniques to deliver even more effective services. So, Mr. Secretary, do you believe weatherization assistance should be able to include the latest, cost-effective technologies and services to achieve the program's goals? Mr. Simmons. Yes. Mr. Tonko. OK. And, Mr. Secretary, many of my colleagues have talked about needing to put innovation at the forefront of our energy policy. Today, weatherization funding is provided to States based on a formula. H.R. 2041 would create a small competitive grant program as a set-aside to that funding to support innovative weatherization practices. Mr. Secretary, do you support fostering more innovation in traditional weatherization services? Mr. Simmons. We, we very much foster, we very much support innovation because at the end of the day what matters is reducing people's energy bills and with the Weatherization Program. Mr. Tonko. Thank you very much. The most recent authorization of the program expired in 2012. That authorization was for $1.4 billion, a level we have never reached in a sustained way. This bill includes a reauthorization at $350 million. Secretary Simmons, does the administration generally like to see programs reauthorized at levels better aligned with actual funding? Mr. Simmons. I'm sorry, I missed part of that question. Mr. Tonko. Sure. Does the administration generally like to see programs reauthorized at levels better aligned with actual funding? Mr. Simmons. I don't think the administration has taken a position on that question. Mr. Tonko. OK. Well, Mr. Chair, this committee's responsibility should be to reauthorize effective programs. I think it is clear that the Weatherization Assistance Program, with its record of supporting efficiency for low-income households deserves to be reauthorized and modernized. Mr. Chairman, thank you again for holding this hearing. I would also voice my support for EECBG reauthorization, which the Environment Subcommittee heard from a bipartisan group of mayors provides the flexible resources to advance local energy agendas. And with that, I will yield back. Mr. Rush. I thank the gentleman for yielding. The Chair now recognizes my friend from West Virginia, Mr. McKinley, for 5 minutes. Mr. McKinley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess what I am going to need from you all is some dates. And I don't think you are going to be able to answer initially where they are, so you will have to get back to me on it. But I would like to have with the Weatherization Program, and I thank the chairman for sponsoring this. I am one of the authors or sponsors of the Home Program, so it is something very sensitive and why we need to be moving on it. And I appreciate this, the questions that were asked about why they, the poor, are disproportionately affected. So I want to go to a line of re-questioning, especially as it relates to articles about Pennsylvania not being able--not spending the money that was authorized for them. And it was something like $5.4 million Pennsylvania had--we had provided Pennsylvania to help out the poor. And they didn't do it. The money had to be returned. So, my question is three parts. One is, do you have, can you get me or our office a list of all the States when they established a program to do weatherization? Is there support for that, to get that? Mr. Simmons. Absolutely. Mr. McKinley. Secondly, I would like to know when each of those 50 States, and perhaps territories that would come into play, when did they cut their first check? Mr. Simmons. OK. Mr. McKinley. To see that they are complying with what we are trying to reach out and help people. Maybe it is the bureaucracy or something that is holding it back and they are not helping out what we are trying to do to help out on that. Mr. Simmons. OK. Mr. McKinley. And thirdly, I would like to know the expiration date. How much money is being returned to the Federal Government that the States are not---- Mr. Simmons. OK. Mr. McKinley [continuing]. Dispensing? And with it, so with that because I am hearing stories, because we talked a lot about this in West Virginia, I am trying to help out folks, that sometimes in other States they get the money, the work is done, but it may be 6 months to a year before the contractor is reimbursed. That is maybe the fourth aspect of it is, is there any justification way that people can, contractors should be put in that position? I don't, I wouldn't think that you would agree that they should be, it should be a year before they are paid, do you? Mr. Simmons. No. No. Mr. McKinley. So, it looked like you want to say a little bit more on that. Mr. Simmons. I was just going to say that, you know, we, the--we work very hard. The--we work very hard to make sure that the money they get appropriated under that program go out to the States in a timely fashion. And we would hope that that money gets then spent by the States in a timely fashion as well. Mr. McKinley. That you're aware. It is not so much wrong with Washington. We have enough problems here. But it looks like the States are not pushing it down to where it needs to be, particularly to help the poor in getting their homes, their efficiency. This, this article about Pennsylvania is very disturbing that was put out. And I, I hope that we can kind of put that to rest. So, if you would get back to us in a timely fashion with the three aspects: When were the States established; when did they cut the first check; and how much money did they return to the Federal Government that wasn't allocated to help out? Mr. Simmons. OK. We will do that. Mr. McKinley. And with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Mr. Rush. The Chair thanks the gentleman for yielding back. The Chair now recognizes my friend from the great State of Illinois, Ms. Kelly, for 5 minutes. Ms. Kelly. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And also was wondering, the report that Mr. McKinley asked for, can the committee have that report of the States? Mr. Rush. Mr. McKinley, will you share that, your report that you mentioned with the Chair, and even send it to the rest of the committee? Mr. McKinley. Yes. Mr. Rush. All right. So ordered. Right. Ms. Kelly. Thank you, Chairman Rush. Today's hearing is an important opportunity for the committee to review several pieces of legislation that increase energy efficiency and build a new energy workforce. Thanks for being here. I have introduced H.R. 2119, which amends the Energy Policy Act of 2005 to increase the authorization for a grant program that was set up to provide grants for States to improve the energy efficiency of public buildings and facilities. States and local communities often lack the financial resources to undertake large-scale efficiency retrofits for public buildings. This grant program makes it easier for States to make these investments, which in turn lowers the utility bills for the community operating the building. Assistant Secretary Simmons, in your testimony you discuss the fact that homes and commercial buildings are the largest energy-consuming sector in the U.S. What more can DOE's Building Technologies Office be doing to support State and local communities who may lack the resources to retrofit public buildings? Mr. Simmons. One of the first things that we can be doing is providing technical assistance. And some of that technical-- currently we provide technical assistance to the Federal Government through the Federal Energy Management Program. And there could be opportunities there to provide that type of assistance at the local level. And as well as some of the work that we are doing in the Building Technology Office is expanding the state of the art about retrofits, since there are a lot of public buildings, and wanting to make sure that there are more cost-effective, easier-to-do retrofit options to reduce the energy footprint of government at all levels, from the Federal down to the local level. Ms. Kelly. You also indicated that DOE shouldn't focus on grant programs like this that could be more appropriately left to the private sector. In what scenario would the private sector step in to fund efficiency upgrades that publicly operated buildings? Mr. Simmons. So, one way that that, that that occurs currently is through energy savings performance contracting where that happens at the Federal level but also at the State and local level. And I believe that is an area that some people in that community, some companies in that community see as a real opportunity for the future to work with schools, hospitals, and other public buildings to do one way of improving the energy efficiency of those buildings. Ms. Kelly. I won't ask you to do it now, but can you send me some examples of---- Mr. Simmons. Sure. Sure. Ms. Kelly [continuing]. Where that has happened? A characteristic of public sector, local, State, and Federal is its limited resources compared to the private sector. This means a project upgrading public sector buildings may not be as profitable as a private construction project, and without incentives such as Federal grants driving investment in public sector buildings, our municipal buildings will only decline further in quality and efficiency, resulting in lower quality services and quality of life for our constituents. And I know in parts of my district and in some parts--I represent the south suburbs, south side of Chicago, south suburbs--and I know particularly in some of the south suburban towns they just simply cannot afford it. They just can't. As such, I am not as confident, I guess, as you are in the ability of private sector alone to drive the market for green construction. So, making the public buildings in our community more energy efficient has numerous benefits, as you know. It makes our buildings healthier and safer places to work by eliminating drafts and improving indoor air quality. Energy efficiency work creates good-paying jobs for local workers which I know is very important to our chairman, workforce development, and to me. It is a win/win for communities across the country. And the Federal Government should be providing more support to bolster these efforts. And with that, I yield back. Mr. Rush. I want to thank the gentlelady for yielding back. The Chair recognizes now Mr. Hudson from North Carolina for 5 minutes. Mr. Hudson. Thank the chairman. And thank you to both the witnesses for being here. I know it is a long day for you, but it is very informative for us. Mr. Campos, thank you in particular for being here today. I want to focus on H.R. 1315, the Blue Collar to Green Collar Jobs Development Act, and the workforce development programs within the Department of Energy. Workforce development should be a truly non-partisan issue. As you may know, I have been a sponsor of similar legislation which passed with unanimous consent in prior Congresses. However, I have serious concerns with this new draft. You know, as a previous sponsor I was cut out of the drafting of this process. And because new language has been added, I feel we will unfairly pick winners and losers at the expense of consumers and workforce trainees. Mr. Campos, what is the Department of Energy's vision for energy workforce development? And do you agree that it would be shortsighted to limit workforce development and training opportunities to so-called green-collar jobs only? Mr. Campos. Thank you, Mr. Congressman. I think that the DOE at large has interwoven workforce development within its many different elements. And within my office it is an important aspect for the growth of our country and our national security. So, I am an advocate on doing whatever is necessary to promote that and to work within the confines of whatever ends up happening with this bill, and so forth. Mr. Simmons. And if I may, the Department as a whole is very supportive of workforce development. There are obviously some areas where there needs to--that it is more of a critical issue, for example around nuclear energy, for example, where you have the nuclear fleet is declining in size over time. And if you do not have people that can---- Mr. Hudson. Well, I understand that. But, I mean, my question is if we are only looking at green-collar jobs are we leaving out a lot of other jobs in the future that we ought to be training for? Mr. Simmons. That is, that is certainly possible because of jobs in the, you know, the oil and gas sector in particular. Mr. Hudson. I appreciate that. Mr. Campos, I understand that the majority requested technical assistance from the Department, and that DOE expressed several concerns. However, it does not appear that any of the suggested improvements have been made. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask unanimous consent that the Department of Energy's technical assistance document be included in the hearing record. Mr. Rush. Without objection, so ordered. [The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.] Mr. Hudson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Campos, I am concerned about the price tag also of H.R. 1315. The bill amends the Department of Energy Organization Act to create a new program office with an authorized authorization of $500 million. It authorizes a new $100 million training program and it creates a new $350 million Energy Workforce Grant Program limited to energy efficiency and renewable energy. It sounds a lot like President Obama's Green Jobs Program. Does the Department of Energy need additional legislative authority or money for green-collar job grants? Mr. Campos. Mr. Congressman, I will have to work with my staff and get back to you on that. Mr. Simmons. One, we are, we are spending money in certain ways that on things that you could call green collar. For example, the Solar Office recently put out a $13 million funding opportunity announcement specifically on solar workforce. And there's a number of other opportunities and efforts going on besides that currently. Mr. Hudson. Great. For either witness, is there a risk that this new bill adds new layers of duplicative programs? If you are already able to focus on green-collar jobs, are we duplicating efforts here? I would ask either witness. Mr. Simmons. I would have to get back to you on that one. I am not familiar enough with, with all the language to make a good answer. Mr. Hudson. Mr. Campos? Mr. Campos. My office will also get back to you, sir. Mr. Hudson. I appreciate that. You know, Mr. Chairman, you and I are friends. I trust you, respect you, and we have worked together in the past. And I would love to find a way to work together going forward. I just have a lot of concerns about this draft and this legislation. And I appreciate you giving me a chance to talk about some of this. Mr. Rush. The Chair is eager to work with you. You have been my friend and we have worked together in the past. And I look forward to working together with you again in the future. And we will clear up any uncertainties and contingencies that exist regarding the bill. I think there is a misunderstanding of what the Chair means by blue to green collar. It is not excluding any particular characterization of jobs that are available in the energy sector. But, and so I look forward to working with you. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr. Kennedy, for 5 minutes. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you, and the committee, and our witnesses from the Department of Energy. Thank you for your service, thank you for being here today. As you have seen so far, expanding energy efficiency is an incredibly important piece of the fight to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels and reduce emissions. I am proud to offer a bill along with my colleague Greg Stanton of Arizona, to help municipalities achieve their goals of lessening a carbon footprint. The Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grants Program was authorized as part of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, and later funded as part of the stimulus in 2008. Oh, I am in the wrong seat. Forgive me. The energy efficiency and clean energy technologies are critically important to ensure a livable future. In addition to the environmental, civil, and economic benefits, they have the potential to be some of the fastest growing job opportunities, particularly in my district in Southeaster Massachusetts. Last month we heard from a panel of industry experts and business owners that they can't find enough workers with the right skill sets to fill the jobs that they need in a clean energy economy. I specifically asked about offshore wind. And our witnesses agreed offshore wind is coming and we don't have a trained workforce ready. That is not just about jobs working directly in the industry, but also about the supply chain aspects that are on the cusp of providing an economic boom in the United States. We have heard from many groups eager to provide the training and education necessary for this generation of workers. For example, at Bristol Community College, Mass. Maritime, and UMAS Dartmouth, they all recently signed a memorandum of understanding last June to help develop curriculum. Similarly, European-based wind companies have set up a American headquarters in Boston over the course of the past 6 months. And recently, Tufts University announced the creation of the first graduate program for offshore wind in the U.S., focused on structural and geotechnical engineering. We have enormous opportunities sitting right in front of us to create a new energy--a new American industry to become world leaders in offshore wind. With that framework in mind, I would like to discuss how the Department of Energy and the Congress can work together to establish the building blocks necessary for this program to succeed. I am here today to support Chairman Rush's bill, H.R. 1315, Blue Collar to Green Collar Jobs Development Act of 2019. This legislation would ensure that we are training our workforce for new jobs in clean energy, as well as connecting trained people to employment opportunities, especially for underrepresented and underserved populations at the heart of this bill. So, Mr. Campos, to begin with, as I have mentioned, offshore wind is coming to Massachusetts. And this provides an exciting new set of job opportunities. How can we make sure that Massachusetts and the surrounding area is ready for those jobs? Mr. Campos. Thank you, Congressman Kennedy. That is vitally important in all sectors of the U.S., including the sector that you reside in, are important. What we are doing as an office is increasing an initiative we have called Equity in Energy. And I spoke to that a little earlier in my opening statement. And we are engaging with various universities, community colleges, groups, associations to engage in those conversations and increase participation within those stakeholders, including industry, including areas of workforce development, and also including prison reentry. So, we are working with all these groups to come to a better utilization and for a better edification within my office and the Department in addressing those concerns in renewable energy. Mr. Kennedy. So, I appreciate that. I would just note that I went to the web page for the Office of Economic Impact and Diversity to look at the Equity in Energy program that you talked about in your opening statement. The web page says, ``site under construction.'' So I just hope that you are able to put some more information there soon as we try to make some investments to try to guide some of that, the potential there going forward. Mr. Campos. Absolutely, Congressman Kennedy. We actually have just started this new initiative about 3 months ago. And so it is under construction but we are actually working towards this. Again, I will get your office the information as soon as it comes out. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you. Mr. Rush's bill allows for DOE to provide direct assistance to apprenticeship pro--or, excuse me, apprenticeship programs, labor organizations, State and local workforce development boards. Do you think that it would be a helpful way to train and prepare our workforce for jobs in the future as they materialize across the country, like offshore wind? Mr. Simmons. Through apprenticeship programs? Mr. Kennedy. Yes. I mean, the basic idea of trying to take some of those Federal programs to work locally where we have enormous opportunity, particularly in Southeastern New England, with some economically challenged communities to try to put this on the forefront of an emerging industry. So, want to figure out how you all are viewing that as a potential area of cooperation. Mr. Simmons. Unless I am mistaken, I don't think we have, the administration has a position on that specific aspect. One of the, one of the things with offshore wind is that, that my office is working on, is working on driving down the costs so we can be able to, you know, realize the potential that there is by having lower cost devices. But it is not enough to just have the devices. You also need to have people that understand how to install them. And so it sounds like that there is a lot of good opportunity, there is a lot of good activities going on with some of the things that you mentioned to make sure that there is a trained workforce that can actually install these machines offshore. Mr. Kennedy. I am over time. So I just want to--we have a tremendous opportunity to actually incubate and grow an industry that does not exist. It is going to need cooperation between Federal, State, and local governments. And Texas I think has, and the secretary has a record of showing, or growing a wind industry in Texas that I think some lessons there could be applied valuably to a new industry as well. So, look forward to working with you guys as we go forward. Yield back. Mr. Rush. The chairman now recognizes the gentleman from Michigan, Mr. Walberg, for 5 minutes. Mr. Walberg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thanks to the panel for being here. Mr. Simmons, DOE's Weatherization Assistance Program provides money to States to distribute the funds to support low-income residents by conducting energy efficiency audits and weatherizing homes. Over the years, concerns have been missed-- raised about the administration of the program and its influence on State energy policy. The program has continued to receive funding, but Congress has not reauthorized it since it expired in 2012, as you know. In your testimony, while discussing the Weatherization Assistance Program you mentioned that, and I quote, ``Utility programs across the country have recognized and adopted the Home Energy Professional Certification Program.'' You noted that the administration is not seeking any funding for the Weatherization Assistance Program. But the bill before us contemplates reauthorizing a significant grant program with additional funding. And so, has DOE asked for this funding? And can you please talk about how your office and the Federal Government works with States on implementing the program? Mr. Simmons. So, the fist part of the question, we have not asked for funding. We work, we have the Weatherization, the Weatherization Assistance Program Office that focuses on both the State Energy Program and the Weatherization Program, and making sure that the money goes out the--the money goes out the door, the money that is appropriated by Congress. And especially on weatherization, that those funds are--we fund training to make sure that the funds are spent in ways that make sense, that we have quality installers, quality installation, so that the low-income families are really receiving the benefit of these Federal dollars. Those are, those are a couple of the ways that, you know, we have oversight of the money. But it is also important to make sure that the money goes out to the various States. Mr. Walberg. Along those lines, what do you see as the role here for EERE with regard to what the States are doing? Mr. Simmons. There is a, I think that there is an important oversight role that we need to play to make sure that the money gets spent in ways that are consistent with Federal law. Mr. Walberg. Appropriate, efficient? Mr. Simmons. Appropriate, efficient, and that the money gets--and the money is really going to the people specified by Congress and is producing quality benefits for them. Mr. Walberg. Does the Department view that the Weatherization Program is really needed? Mr. Simmons. Well, we, the administration doesn't have a, doesn't take a position on that. The budget request is zero for the office. We also understand where Congress is. And we, so money, a substantial amount of money is appropriated every year. And so we work very diligently to meet our statutory obligations and to carry out the program. Mr. Walberg. I guess with that in mind, would you commit here to providing technical drafting assistance---- Mr. Simmons. Yes, sir. Mr. Walberg [continuing]. For this bill? Mr. Simmons. Yes, sir. Mr. Walberg. So it does meet any concerns about making sure the program is viable, the program is necessary, the program functions well and we are not wasting dollars. Mr. Simmons. Yes, sir. Mr. Walberg. Mr. Simmons, as you know, the subcommittee recently examined EERE's proposed process rule. At the hearing, you committed to following the statutory process to clear the backlog, which I applaud. But I was also struck by the logic of the proposed rule which sought to prioritize those rules that might return the most bang for the buck in energy savings, more specifically half a quad. With regard to the legislation before us today, would you like to see the similar logic included in the Weatherization Assistance Program or other proposed grant programs providing support for energy efficiency retrofit should the legislation move forward? Mr. Simmons. We don't have a position on that. That said, it would--metrics are helpful. Mr. Walberg. Would it provide EERE more flexibility? Mr. Simmons. I would have to hear from the experts in the program office on that if it would provide us with more flexibility. Mr. Walberg. Mr. Chairman, I thank you, and I yield back. Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from the great State of California, Mr. McNerney. Mr. McNerney. I thank the chairman. All of our States are great, aren't they, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Rush. All of them. Mr. McNerney. OK. I might be the last person asking questions this morning. Mr. Rush. And you are the greatest. Mr. McNerney. I appreciate the bipartisan nature of the hearing this morning. All the bills we are looking at are bipartisan, and that is a good sign. Energy efficiency is a fast-growing field, and it is creating good jobs. In particular, the Smart Energy and Water Efficiency Act of 2019 that I introduced with my colleague Mr. Kinzinger is on the agenda today. It establishes a pilot program for grants to demonstrate advanced energy innovation, technology-based solutions for water, and energy efficiency, including improved energy efficiency, water, wastewater and water reuse systems, supporting the installation of advanced automation systems and improved conservation quality, and predictive maintenance through interconnected technologies. Mr. Simmons, thank you for speaking out on energy efficiency and renewable energy program. I appreciate what you said about the Water Security Grant Challenge. Are there any resources being devoted to prizes, R&D, and public/private partnerships for that program? Mr. Simmons. There will be, yes. Mr. McNerney. Do you have some idea what they might look like? Mr. Simmons. They are, they are currently in development, so we don't have, we don't have what they are currently. But there is definitely the issue of water. Both water reuse in terms of produced waters from oil and gas development, for example, but also for resource recovery from wastewater. Those are two of the important topics that we are, that we are looking at. So, you can make wastewater more valuable than just---- Mr. McNerney. Sure. Any idea when you will have those to announce? Mr. Simmons. I don't. Hopefully we will have something in the next few months. Mr. McNerney. You mentioned that water produced from the energy sector is being transformed from waste into a resource. One of the challenges are the chemicals that are introduced in this process. Is EERE committed to reducing the freshwater requirements using fracking, and cleaning up wastewater that is produced by fracking for safer use? Mr. Simmons. So, you know, in that grant challenge we are working across the Department of Energy. So that, in terms of fracking, that is really the Office of Fossil Energy. But as I, so as I understand their, what, you know, their goal is definitely to use less fresh water, to be able to do fracking in a more water-efficient manner. And then to be able to, so that when the produced water comes out for that water to have much more wider uses, for example, maybe agriculture,---- Mr. McNerney. Right. Mr. Simmons [continuing]. Rather than just having to dispose of it in deep injection wells. Mr. McNerney. Well, good. I am glad to hear that. Is your office employing or intending to employ any artificial intelligence technology to improve water energy efficiency and predictive maintenance? Mr. Simmons. I would, I would say that that rings a bell. But I would have to look into that. Mr. McNerney. OK. It seems to me there is a lot of opportunity there. Mr. Simmons. There is. There are a lot of opportunities around the managing of complex systems such as wastewater treatment plant and AI. The Department of Energy is home to the fastest computers in the world. And, obviously, we have a lot of experts who look at that. And so any time that we can use various parts of the administration, or various parts of DOE can work together on an issue here, we very much try to do that. Mr. McNerney. Mr. Campos, I apologize, I missed your opening statement and the questions that may have come to you. But I am very concerned about the sort of retirement of folks that are qualified to work in energy systems and in water systems both. Do you have any trend lines of the number of people that expect to retire in the next decade and the number of people that are coming into the system to replace those people? Mr. Campos. Mr. Congressman, overall I don't have those numbers, but I share your concern. There is an aging population in all energy sectors across the board. And we are addressing those within our scope of work. But there is a, there is a point of concern there for sure. And I share that. Mr. McNerney. And you are, I mean, you are reaching out or you are giving guidelines to reach, for these agencies to reach out to communities across the spectrum to get people. I mean, there are pretty good paying jobs that we are talking about; right? And they are good careers. They should be attractive to folks. Mr. Campos. Yes, that is one of my, my priorities it to get out there within different areas of the United States and to reach and to provide that information. Because you are absolutely right, these are good paying jobs. And there is a lack of information and awareness towards this. And that is one of my priorities. Mr. McNerney. Are we requiring college educations for most of these positions in your opinion? Mr. Campos. This is a mix. That is why in my Equity in Energy we are doing STEM aptitude, which doesn't necessarily need college degrees. So, it is a variety. And we are seeing more and more that it is certificate-based, not so much a 4- year or 2-year degree needed in many of these areas. Mr. McNerney. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Mr. Rush. The Chair thanks the gentleman for yielding back. This concludes the questioning and answering segment of the hearing. And so, I do want to thank the witnesses for your appearance today before the subcommittee. And I look forward to having you once again to appear before this subcommittee in the near future. So, thank you for your time. The Chair now entertains a unanimous consent request to enter into the record various letters and documents, including a letter from the National Community Action Foundation; a letter of support for and from the American Association of Blacks in Energy in relation to H.R. 1315; a letter of support from the American Gas Association in support of the HOMES Act; an April 21, 2011, GAO report on the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program; a DOE technical assistance comments on H.R. 1315; a letter from the U.S. Green Building Council; a letter of support for H.R. 1315 from the Solar Energy Industry Association; a letter of support of H.R. 1315 from Duke Energy; a letter of support from the Alliance to Save Energy in support of H.R. 1315; a letter of support for H.R. 1315 from the Building Performance Industry; and an article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Seeing no objection, the unanimous consent request is approved. [The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]\1\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The GAO report has been retained in committee files and also is available at https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF03/20190410/109300/ HHRG-116-IF03-20190410-SD989.pdf. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Rush. And seeing that there are no more witnesses and no more Members to ask questions, the Chair will now adjourn this subcommittee. And thank you once again for your appearance. I remind Members that, pursuant to committee rules, they have 10 business days to submit additional questions for the record to be answered by the witnesses for whatever period. I ask each witness to respond promptly to any such questions that you may receive. And at this time the subcommittee stands adjourned. 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