[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] ENHANCING VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY TO PREVENT DRUNK DRIVING ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON CONSUMER PROTECTION AND COMMERCE OF THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ MARCH 14, 2019 __________ Serial No. 116-19 [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Commerce govinfo.gov/committee/house-energy energycommerce.house.gov __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 38-603 PDF WASHINGTON : 2020 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey Chairman BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois GREG WALDEN, Oregon ANNA G. ESHOO, California Ranking Member ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York FRED UPTON, Michigan DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois MIKE DOYLE, Pennsylvania MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas JAN SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois STEVE SCALISE, Louisiana G. K. BUTTERFIELD, North Carolina ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio DORIS O. MATSUI, California CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, Washington KATHY CASTOR, Florida BRETT GUTHRIE, Kentucky JOHN P. SARBANES, Maryland PETE OLSON, Texas JERRY McNERNEY, California DAVID B. McKINLEY, West Virginia PETER WELCH, Vermont ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia PAUL TONKO, New York GUS M. BILIRAKIS, Florida YVETTE D. CLARKE, New York, Vice BILL JOHNSON, Ohio Chair BILLY LONG, Missouri DAVID LOEBSACK, Iowa LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana KURT SCHRADER, Oregon BILL FLORES, Texas JOSEPH P. KENNEDY III, SUSAN W. BROOKS, Indiana Massachusetts MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma TONY CARDENAS, California RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina RAUL RUIZ, California TIM WALBERG, Michigan SCOTT H. PETERS, California EARL L. ``BUDDY'' CARTER, Georgia DEBBIE DINGELL, Michigan JEFF DUNCAN, South Carolina MARC A. VEASEY, Texas GREG GIANFORTE, Montana ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois NANETTE DIAZ BARRAGAN, California A. DONALD McEACHIN, Virginia LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware DARREN SOTO, Florida TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona ------ Professional Staff JEFFREY C. CARROLL, Staff Director TIFFANY GUARASCIO, Deputy Staff Director MIKE BLOOMQUIST, Minority Staff Director Subcommittee on Consumer Protection and Commerce JAN SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois Chairwoman KATHY CASTOR, Florida CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, Washington MARC A. VEASEY, Texas Ranking Member ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois FRED UPTON, Michigan TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio TONY CARDENAS, California, Vice BRETT GUTHRIE, Kentucky Chair LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina DARREN SOTO, Florida EARL L. ``BUDDY'' CARTER, Georgia BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois GREG GIANFORTE, Montana DORIS O. MATSUI, California GREG WALDEN, Oregon (ex officio) JERRY McNERNEY, California DEBBIE DINGELL, Michigan FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey (ex officio) C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Hon. Jan Schakowsky, a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois, opening statement................................. 1 Prepared statement........................................... 2 Hon. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, a Representative in Congress from the State of Washington, opening statement..................... 3 Prepared statement........................................... 5 Hon. Debbie Dingell, a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan, opening statement................................. 6 Hon. Robert E. Latta, a Representative in Congress from the State of Ohio, opening statement..................................... 6 Prepared statement........................................... 7 Hon. Frank Pallone, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of New Jersey, prepared statement........................ 82 Hon. Greg Walden, a Representative in Congress from the State of Oregon, prepared statement..................................... 83 Witnesses Helen Witty, National President, Mothers Against Drunk Driving... 8 Prepared statement........................................... 11 Robert Strassburger, President and Chief Executive Officer, Automotive Coalition for Traffic Safety........................ 18 Prepared statement........................................... 20 Joan Claybrook, Board Member, Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, and Former Administrator, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.......................................... 32 Prepared statement........................................... 34 Additional material submitted for the record................. 55 Answers to submitted questions............................... 95 David Kelly, Executive Director, Coalition of Ignition Interlock Manufacturers.................................................. 61 Prepared statement........................................... 63 Answers to submitted questions............................... 97 Submitted Material Report, ``Getting to Zero Alcohol-Impaired Driving Fatalities: A Comprehensive Approach to a Persistent Problem (2018),'' National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine, submitted by Mrs. Dingell \1\ Letter of March 13 2019, from Coalition for Future Mobility to Mr. Pallone, et al., submitted by Ms. Schakowsky............... 85 Letter of March 14, 2019, from Gary Shapiro, President and Chief Executive Officer, Consumer Technology Association, to Mr. Pallone, et al., submitted by Ms. Schakowsky................... 89 ---------- \1\ The report has been retained in committee files and also is available at https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF17/20190314/109109/ HHRG-116-IF17-20190314-SD004.pdf. Letter of March 14, 2019, from Robbie Diamond, President and Chief Executive Officer, Securing America's Future Energy, to Mr. Pallone, et al., submitted by Ms. Schakowsky............... 91 Letter of March 14, 2019, from John D. Bodnovich, Executive Director, American Beverage Licensees, to Ms. Schakowsky and Mrs. Rodgers, submitted by Ms. Schakowsky...................... 93 ENHANCING VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY TO PREVENT DRUNK DRIVING ---------- THURSDAY, MARCH 14, 2019 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Consumer Protection and Commerce, Committee on Energy and Commerce, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:00 a.m., in the John D. Dingell Room 2123, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Jan Schakowsky (chairwoman of the subcommittee) presiding. Members present: Representatives Schakowsky, Castor, O'Halleran, Cardenas, Soto, Rush, Matsui, McNerney, Dingell, Rodgers (subcommittee ranking member), Burgess, Latta, Guthrie, Bucshon, Hudson, and Carter. Staff present: Sharon Davis, Chief Clerk; Evan Gilbert, Press Assistant; Lisa Goldman, Counsel; Waverly Gordon, Deputy Chief Counsel; Alex Hoehn-Saric, Chief Counsel, Communications and Technology; Zach Kahan, Outreach and Member Service Coordinator; Kaitlyn Peel, Digital Director; Chloe Rodriguez, Policy Analyst; Andrew Souvall, Director of Communications, Outreach, and Member Services; Mike Bloomquist, Minority Staff Director; Jordan Davis, Minority Senior Advisor; Melissa Froelich, Minority Chief Counsel, Consumer Protection and Commerce; Peter Kielty, Minority General Counsel; Bijan Koohmaraie, Minority Counsel, Consumer Protection and Commerce; Ryan Long, Minority Deputy Staff Director; and Brannon Rains, Minority Staff Assistant. Ms. Schakowsky. The Subcommittee on Consumer Protection and Commerce will now come to order. I want to thank everybody for coming on this going-away day. My plan is that we will get as many opening statements as we can before votes, and then, hopefully, all of you will come back to talk to our witnesses. So, I recognize myself for 5 minutes. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. JAN SCHAKOWSKY, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS As the Consumer Protection Subcommittee, we are committed to ensuring the safety of the American people. We have addressed a number of auto safety issues over the years, holding hearings on the Takata airbag defects and the GM ignition switch defect. We had a hearing last year on drugged driving, which has been on the rise in recent years. But we haven't really addressed the No. 1 cause of death on America's roads, drunk driving. More than 10,000 deaths, about 30 percent of all fatal crashes, are caused by drunk driving each year. That translates into almost 30 people dying in drunk-driving crashes every day or one person every 4 minutes in 2017. That is when the data is from. And that is not counting the number of people who are seriously injured in drunk-driving crashes. The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, NHTSA, conducted a study in 2016 that found that, quote, ``Alcohol was the largest contributor to crashes.'' Unquote. We all know drunk driving is a problem, but whether it is because they are too intoxicated to make reasonable judgments or they inaccurately estimate their level of intoxication, people are still making the choice to drive drunk. So, today we are exploring some technologies that make it harder for people to make the wrong decision. Currently, ignition interlocks are available for installation in cars on the road. These are devices that can detect levels of alcohol in a person's system, and if above the legal limit, will prevent a car from starting. Generally, this involves breathing into a tube and waiting for an analysis to be completed, which may take a little time. This, too, has been effective in preventing individuals convicted of drunk driving from doing so again, as long as the device is in his or her car. All States have some form of ignition interlock laws, some making it an option/condition after conviction, and some requiring them for repeat offenders, and some requiring them for all offenders. Often, people who have been convicted of driving under the influence of alcohol will still drive, even if their license is suspended or taken away. They still need to drive to get to work or run necessary errands. Interlock devices allow them to drive when they need to, but stop them from putting themselves and others in danger by preventing them from driving drunk. So, I look forward to hearing today whether expanded use of interlock devices can help lower the number of drunk-driving crashes. Today's interlock devices, however, are not enough. They are too intrusive for general use, and that is why NHTSA has been working with the auto industry to develop more integrated technologies, known as Driver Alcohol Detention Systems for Safety, or DADSS, that can be deployed even more expansively. I know my friend and colleague, Debbie Dingell, will be recognized, but it should be noted that several of her constituents recently died in a tragic accident because of drunk driving. Debbie has introduced legislation aimed at curbing drunk driving. And so I thank her for her efforts to make our roads safer, and I stand with you as an ally in your fight. NHTSA can and should be pressing automakers to develop and deploy this technology faster, these different technologies faster, and let's stop wasting time and start to take meaningful steps to turn back the tide on these tragedies. So, I want to thank all our witnesses for coming today. [The prepared statement of Ms. Schakowsky follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Jan Schakowsky As the Consumer Protection Subcommittee, we are committed to ensuring the safety of the American people. We have addressed a number of auto safety issues over the years-- holding hearings on the Takata airbag defects and the GM ignition switch defect. We had a hearing last year on drugged driving, which has been on the rise in recent years. We have not really addressed the number one cause of death on America's roadways--drunk driving. More than 10,000 deaths-- about 30 percent of all fatal crashes--are caused by drunk driving each year. That translates to almost 30 people dying in drunk-driving crashes every day or one person every 48 minutes in 2017. And that's not counting the number of people who are seriously injured in drunk-driving crashes. The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHSTA) conducted a study in 2016 that found ``alcohol was the largest contributor to crash risk.'' We all know drunk driving is a problem. But whether it's because they are too intoxicated to make a reasonable decision, or they inaccurately estimate their level intoxication, people are still making the choice to drive drunk. So today we are exploring some technologies that make it harder for people to make the wrong decision. Currently, ignition interlocks are available for installation in cars on the road. These are devices that can detect levels of alcohol in a person's system and if above the legal limit, will prevent a car from starting. Generally, this involves breathing into a tube and waiting for an analysis to be completed, which may take a little time. This tool has been effective in preventing individuals convicted of drunk driving from doing do again as long as the device is on his or her car. All States have ignition interlock laws-some making it an optional condition after conviction, some requiring them for repeat offenders, and some requiring them for all offenders. Often, people who have been convicted of driving under the influence of alcohol will still drive even if their license is suspended or taken. They still need to drive to get to work or run necessary errands. Interlock devices allow them to drive where they need to but stop them from putting themselves and others in danger by preventing them from driving drunk. I look forward to hearing today whether expanded use of interlock devices can help lower the numbers of drunk-driving crashes. Today's interlock devices, however, are not enough. They are too intrusive for general usage. And that is why NHTSA has been working with the auto industry to develop more integrated technology, known as Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety or DADSS, that can be deployed even more expansively. I know my friend and colleague Debbie Dingell will be recognized, but it should be noted that several of her constituents recently died in a tragic accident because of drunk driving. Debbie has introduced legislation aimed at curbing drunk driving, and so I thank her for her efforts to make roads safer. And stand with you as an ally in your fight. NHTSA can and should be pressing automakers to develop and deploy this technology faster. Let's stop wasting time and start to take meaningful steps to turn back the tide on these tragedies. Thank you. I now yield 5 minutes to the ranking member of the subcommittee, Cathy McMorris Rodgers. Ms. Schakowsky. And I yield 5 minutes to the ranking member of the subcommittee, Cathy McMorris Rodgers. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF WASHINGTON Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Consumer Protection and Commerce Subcommittee hearing on enhancing vehicle technology to prevent drunk driving. ``Drive sober or get pulled over'' is a phrase we all remember hearing in the classroom or on television, and it remains just as important a message today as it ever was. Drunk driving is a significant public health concern that tragically cuts life short for so many, not just those who make the reckless decision to get behind the wheel after consuming alcohol, but our family and friends on the road in the wrong place at the wrong time. Although alcohol-impaired driving has decreased by about 30 percent over the last three decades, it remains a serious and fatal risk on our roadways, claiming almost 11,000 lives each year. The status is not acceptable. We can, and we must, do better. Drug-impaired driving is also on the rise. Drug use and abuse have increasingly become central social issues. On opioids, last Congress we passed a comprehensive bipartisan package to help combat the epidemic, expand access to treatment, and protect our communities. But opioids aren't the only drug making our roads less safe. So is marijuana. In fact, marijuana is the most common drug found in fatally injured drivers. It increases drowsiness and decreases reaction speed, both of which severely limit a driver's ability to operate a vehicle safely. In 2012, my home State of Washington legalized marijuana, and Washingtonians have seen decreases in roadway safety since then. In 2017, the Northwest High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area conducted a report of the effects of marijuana. The report produced some pretty disturbing results. One in five 10th- graders, one in four 12th-graders reported riding with a driver who had been using marijuana. One in six 12th-graders admitted to driving a vehicle within 3 hours of consuming marijuana. The percentage of marijuana-positive drivers has more than doubled from 7.8 percent to 18.9 percent, and fatal crashes involving marijuana have spiked to almost 13 percent from 7.8 percent prior to legalization. The increase in recreational use of marijuana poses a serious threat to roadway safety. We must learn from the lessons we have seen in my home State and make sure we are focusing on addressing drug-impaired driving and alcohol-impaired driving. On this committee, it is our job to explore how technology and innovation can improve people's lives, even save their lives. For example, ride- sharing technology platforms have given people better and more options to get home safely. By providing an easy and user- friendly option, more people are opting for ride sharing rather than getting behind the wheel after drinking or taking drugs. The subcommittee has been working on these issues for years, highlighting the sharing economy at a disruptor series in 2015. We should not lose sight of the fact that we lose about 40,000 Americans on our roads every year. Ninety-four percent of car crashes are caused by human error. Whether it be driving while tired, distracted, or after drinking or taking drugs, human error causes crashes. Self-driving cars offer a technology-based solution that will save lives if the Government regulations are updated from their 1970s approach over brake pedals and steering wheels. I joined Republican Leader Walden and Representative Latta on a letter to Chairman Pallone yesterday asking that we continue our work in a bipartisan manner again this Congress. I commend Chair Schakowsky for her leadership on this important issue and look forward to working with you. I want to thank our distinguished panel for your willingness to engage in this discussion today, and I would further welcome discussions with leaders who offer other technology-based solutions to protect Americans. I yield back. [The prepared statement of Mrs. Rodgers follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Cathy McMorris Rodgers Good morning and welcome to the Consumer Protection and Commerce Subcommittee hearing on Enhancing Vehicle Technology to Prevent Drunk Driving. ``Drive sober or get pulled over'' is a phrase we all remember hearing in the classroom or on television and it remains just as important a message today as it ever has. Drunk driving is a significant public health concern that tragically cuts life short for so many--not just those that make the reckless decision to get behind the wheel after consuming alcohol but our family and friends on the road in the wrong place at the wrong time. Although alcohol impaired driving has decreased by about 30 percent over the last three decades it remains a serious and fatal risk on our roadways claiming almost 11,000 lives each year. The status quo is not acceptable. We can, and we must do better. Drug-impaired driving is also on the rise. Drug use and abuse have increasingly become central social issues. On opioids, last Congress we passed a comprehensive bipartisan package to help combat the epidemic, expand access to treatment, and protect our communities. But opioids aren't the only drug making our roads less safe--so is marijuana. In fact, marijuana is the most common drug found in fatally injured drivers. It increases drowsiness and decreases reaction speed-- both of which severely limit a driver's ability to operate a vehicle safely. In 2012, my home State of Washington legalized marijuana and Washingtonians have seen decreases in roadway safety since then. In 2017, the Northwest High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area conducted a report on the effects of marijuana. The report produced some pretty disturbing results. One in five 10th- graders and one in four 12th-graders reported riding with a driver who had been using marijuana. One in six 12th-graders admitted to driving a vehicle within 3 hours of consuming marijuana. The percentage of marijuana-positive drivers has more than doubled from 7.8 percent to 18.9 percent and fatal crashes involving marijuana have spiked to almost 13 percent from 7.8 percent prior to legalization. The increase in recreational use of marijuana poses a serious threat to roadway safety. We must learn from the lessons we've seen in my home State and make sure we are focusing on addressing drug-impaired driving and alcohol-impaired driving. On this committee, it's our job to explore how technology and innovation can improve people's lives--even save their lives. For example, ridesharing technology platforms have given people better and more options to get home safely. By providing an easy and user-friendly option, more people are opting for ridesharing rather than getting behind the wheel after drinking or taking drugs. The subcommittee has been working on these issues for years, highlighting the sharing economy at a Disrupter Series hearing in 2015. We should not lose sight of the fact that we lose almost 40,000 Americans on our roads every year. 94 percent of car crashes are caused by human error. Whether it be driving while tired, distracted, or, after drinking or taking drugs, human error causes crashes. Self-driving cars offer a technology- based solution that will save lives if the Government regulations are updated from their 1970s approach over brake pedals and steering wheels. I joined Republican Leader Walden and Representative Latta on a letter to Chairman Pallone yesterday asking that we continue work on the issue in a bipartisan manner again this Congress. I commend Chair Schakowsky for her leadership on this important issue and look forward to working with you. I want to thank our distinguished panel for your willingness to engage in this discussion today. I would welcome further discussions with leaders who offer other technology-based solutions to protect Americans. I yield back. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentlewoman yields back. The votes have been called, and it looks like we have one to two votes, we think about 30 minutes. So, in fact, we are going to recess. And I apologize to our witnesses, but we will be back soon. Thank you. [Recess.] Ms. Schakowsky. I will call the subcommittee back to order, and yield for an opening statement. In the absence of the chairman of the full committee, I am happy to yield to Congresswoman Dingell. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. DEBBIE DINGELL, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN Mrs. Dingell. Thank you, Chairman Schakowsky. And I want to really give you a sincere and heartfelt thank you for holding this important hearing today. As both of you spoke about before votes, drunk driving brings pain to families and communities across this country. Our community in Dearborn and in Michigan felt it only eight weeks ago. In January, the Abbas family, Issam, Rima, Ali, Isabella, and Giselle, were driving back from a family vacation in Florida when their car was struck head-on by a drunk driver. No one survived, and everybody in our community felt it. They were active, integral members of our community. But what is sad is that this story has been repeated for years over and over again. And Congress needs to step up and do something about it. Their deaths, and the thousands just like them each year, are avoidable and preventable. The technology exists to save lives. A little girl at the funeral came up to me--she was a classmate--and said, ``There is technology. Why are you not using it? Why won't Congress act? My friend should be here today.'' That statement is my heart. So, my question to each Member, witness, and all the public watching today is simple: Why aren't we using it? We need to explore every possible solution, including giving law enforcement the resources that they need to get drunk driving off the roads. Institute mandatory first-offender interlock laws across the country, and get the DADSS technology in cars as fast as we can. Nothing is going to bring back the Abbas family or the thousands--there are more stories in the last week. I mean, we should stop hearing these stories. Their lives are too important to forget. We need to make sure that the family that I know from my community, the Abbas family's death is not in vain, for we need to make all of these deaths an example of why we must act now. We must address this challenge. Thank you, Madam Chairman, and I yield back the balance of my time. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentlelady yields back. I now recognize Mr. Latta for 5 minutes for an opening statement. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. ROBERT E. LATTA, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF OHIO Mr. Latta. Well, thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you very much for holding this very important hearing today. And I thank our witnesses for being with us today. We have the opportunity to discuss how we can utilize different technologies to address and prevent drunk and drugged driving. Over 10,000 people lost their lives in 2017 in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. We have also seen a significant increase in the number of American drivers killed in vehicle crashes in which drugs were detected. Ninety-four percent of overall vehicle accidents are attributable to human errors or decisions, and we have seen a significant increase in the number of Americans killed in vehicle crashes in which drugs were detected. The statistics are staggering and show that it is imperative that the public and private sectors work together on a solution to prevent more tragedies. Amid the devastating opioid crisis, and as more States legalize the use of marijuana, tackling this problem is now more important than ever. According to the Governors Highway Safety Association, in 2016, the number of drivers who were fatally injured in accidents with drugs in their system surpassed the number of those with alcohol in their system for the very first time. That is why in the last Congress I recognized the importance of promoting and fostering innovation in self- driving vehicle technology. As chair of this subcommittee in the last Congress, I introduced the bipartisan SELF DRIVE Act, which would have clarified the Federal and State roles in regulating self-driving vehicles, ensure consumer safety, reduce traffic-related fatalities and injuries, and improve mobility for individuals with disabilities. U.S. companies are investing major resources in the research and development of this technology, and the SELF DRIVE Act would have removed outdated regulations that were created when self-driving vehicles were considered science fiction. Since this legislation passed unanimously both in committee and on the floor, it is my hope that we can make this a priority again in this Congress. We have an opportunity through technology to make investments needed in self-driving technology as one step to ending senseless deaths on our roads. Until that day comes, we all need to do all we can to raise awareness of the dangers of impaired driving. And again, I want to thank all the members on this committee and all of our staff on both sides of the aisle for all the hard work that they did. With that, Madam Chair, I yield back the balance of my time. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mr. Latta follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Robert E. Latta Good morning, I would like to thank our Chair holding this important hearing, and I thank our witnesses for being here. Today, we have the opportunity to discuss how we can utilize different technologies to address and prevent drunk and drugged driving. Over 10,000 people lost their lives in 2017 in alcohol- impaired driving crashes. We have also seen a significant increase in the number of American drivers killed in vehicle crashes in which drugs were detected. Ninety-four percent of overall vehicle accidents are attributable to human errors or decisions. The statistics are staggering and show that it is imperative that the public and private sectors work together on solutions to prevent more tragedies. Amid the devastating opioid crisis, and as more States legalize the use of marijuana, tackling this problem is now more important than ever. According to the Governors Highway Safety Association, in 2016 the number of drivers who were fatally injured in accidents with drugs in their system surpassed the number of those with alcohol in their system for the first time. That is why last Congress I recognized the importance of promoting and fostering innovation in self-driving vehicle technology. As chairman of this subcommittee, I introduced the bipartisan SELF DRIVE Act, which would have clarified the Federal and State roles in regulating self-driving vehicles, ensured consumer safety, reduced traffic-related fatalities and injuries, and improved mobility for individuals with disabilities. U.S. companies are investing major resources in the research and development of this technology and the SELF DRIVE Act would have removed outdated regulations that were created when self-driving vehicles were considered science fiction. Since this legislation passed unanimously both in committee and on the House floor, it is my hope that we can make this a priority again this Congress. We have an opportunity through technology to make investments needed in self-driving technology as one step to ending senseless deaths on our roads. Until that day comes, we need to do all we can to raise awareness of the dangers of impaired driving. Again, I want to thank our Members and staff on both sides of the aisle for their bipartisan legislation. Thank you again, and I yield back my time. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentleman yields back. So, I would now like to introduce our witnesses for--oh, the Chair would like to remind Members that, pursuant to committee rules, all Members' written opening statements shall be made part of the record. And now, I would like to introduce the witnesses. Ms. Helen Witty is the national president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Dr. Robert Strassburger oversees the DADSS program that I am really anxious to hear more about. And the Honorable Joan Claybrook, board member of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety and former Administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, NHTSA, welcome. And Dr. David Kelly, the executive director of the Coalition of Ignition Interlocks Manufacturers. We want to thank all of our witnesses for joining us today, and we look forward to your testimony. At this time, the Chair will now recognize each witness for 5 minutes. I think everybody here has testified. You know that you have 5 minutes, and there is a light that will go off when you have 1 minute left. So, I hope that you will consider wrapping it up. So, I am going to first begin, I want to begin. Ms. Witty, you are recognized now for 5 minutes. Put your microphone on. There you go. STATEMENTS OF HELEN WITTY, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING; ROBERT STRASSBURGER, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, AUTOMOTIVE COALITION FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY; JOAN CLAYBROOK, BOARD MEMBER, ADVOCATES FOR HIGHWAY AND AUTO SAFETY, AND FORMER ADMINISTRATOR, NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION; AND DAVID KELLY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, COALITION OF IGNITION INTERLOCK MANUFACTURERS STATEMENT OF HELEN WITTY Ms. Witty. Thank you, Chairwoman Schakowsky, Ranking Member McMorris Rodgers, and other distinguished members of the committee, for holding this hearing and for inviting me to testify. I am here today on behalf of Mothers Against Drunk Driving and representing the millions of victims of drunk-driving crashes. I would also like to thank Representative Debbie Dingell for her leadership and action following the tragic death of a family from Dearborn. The Abbas family, Issam, Rima, Ali, Isabella, and Giselle, were killed by a wrong-way driver, a drunk driver. Like the Abbas family, I have a story. I am here because my 16-year-old daughter is not. One day on a bright, sunny June afternoon, she went rollerblading on a well-known route and didn't come home. Until that day, my husband and I had the dream family, the one we had always dreamed of, two children, a girl and a boy. They were named for us. So, we had the perfect names, John and John and Helen and Helen Marie. It was Helen Marie because I didn't want to be ``Big Helen'' or ``Old Helen''. And she was my first born. So, she put me through my mom paces, and she was so excited when she learned that her brother John was due to arrive. But, yet, when she learned that he was there to stay and she had to learn to share, she had to get used to that, and she did. But the most important thing was she learned to love him deeply. They were not perfect children, perfect names maybe, but not perfect children. They were well- adjusted and that what we had prayed for. An alcohol- and marijuana-impaired teen driver ended our dream. Helen Marie was rollerblading on a bike path when she looked up and saw a car on that bike path spinning toward her. There was nothing she could do but die very suddenly and very violently. I can't tell you what the days and months and years were like after that. It was preparing for my 16-year-old daughter's funeral. It was receiving a call asking for body parts. It was packing up her things that still held her essence. It was standing in a criminal courtroom. But I can tell you that MADD was there. They were there to show me I would not die of the grief. They were there to give me hope, and they also gave me a platform on which I could learn and, then, fight from--first, I could only lean on it-- toward a day when there's no more victims of this awful crime. And the technology is there. That is the frustrating part. H.M.'s life ended, but mine did not, and that is why I am here. MADD's campaign to eliminate drunk driving is our top priority, and the testimony I submitted contains detailed information about two campaign components: law enforcement and ignition interlocks. Today, I would like to specifically talk about advanced vehicle technologies which could one day prevent a drunk driver from operating a vehicle. The idea for such technology was born in 2006 at a MADD Technology Symposium in New Mexico. The concept was to integrate into the vehicle a passive alcohol sensor to unobtrusively detect a driver's BAC. The concept became a reality over a decade ago and is known as DADSS. MADD worked diligently to get this program started and to get the Government funding to advance this program. I represent drunk-driving victims who want this killing to end now. Our goal is to get this technology into vehicles for consumers to purchase as soon as possible. Therefore, I issue a challenge to the auto industry, including OEM suppliers and the Government, to make DADSS commercially available and for NHTSA to begin a rulemaking on DADSS as soon as possible. To aid in transferring DADSS to the auto industry for commercialization, a large fleet test would help expedite the technology. In 1982, the General Services Administration ordered 5,000 cars with driver-side airbags. This stimulated the market and resulted in widespread acceptance and use. MADD calls for a similar model. We understand that DADSS development is challenging, but the industry has the resources and the expertise to make safety advancements a reality. Auto detection technology needs to be a top priority. With this committee's continued leadership, we could soon witness historic results with 7,000 lives saved every year. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman Schakowsky and Ranking Member McMorris Rodgers, for allowing me the opportunity to testify on this important issue, and I look forward to working with all of you and answering any questions you have for me. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Witty follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you very much. Mr. Strassburger, you are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF ROBERT STRASSBURGER Mr. Strassburger. Good morning, Madam Chair, Ranking Member McMorris Rodgers, and distinguished members of this subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to update you on the DADSS research program. Despite significant efforts over the years, drunk driving in the U.S. remains our most intractable safety problem. To help address this, automakers and NHTSA formed the DADSS partnership to research the widespread use of noninvasive technology to prevent drunk driving. Public-private partnerships like DADSS have led innovations that have enhanced our everyday lives, such as the internet, GPS, the microchip, and WiFi. The DADSS program is working to invent technology that can detect when a driver is impaired by alcohol and prevent the car from moving. Once the technology has met rigorous performance standards, it will be offered voluntarily as a safety option, similar to other driver-assist systems like automatic emergency braking or lane departure warning. DADSS technologies hold the greatest promise and are likely the fastest pathway for reversing the drunk-driving trends in the United States. Two technologies are being researched, a touch-based system and a breath-based system. The breath-based system measures alcohol as a driver breathes normally when seated in the driver's seat. The touch-based system measures blood alcohol by shining an infrared light through the fingertip of the driver when he or she touches a vehicle control like the starter button. A significant part of our research is focused on achieving the performance specifications for speed, accuracy, precision, and reliability of the alcohol measurement. These stringent specifications are necessary to ensure that no driver at or above .08 is allowed to drive, while also ensuring that sober drivers are not hassled by the technology. We are not modified existing or off-the-shelf technologies, but inventing new technology that must reliably operate over the 20-year life of a vehicle in the harshest environment, the interior of a car. One measure of our progress is DADSS patent portfolio, which currently includes 10 patent families worldwide and covering 10 patent areas. The number of applications exceeds 50, and nine patents have issued. On-road testing of the DADSS prototype sensors is underway. This is one of those sensors. This testing complements more controlled testing in the laboratory and human subject testing in a hospital setting. We are pleased and honored to have the Virginia Highway Safety Office and James River Transportation participate in the on-road evaluations. Virginia is also helping in other ways to ready the public for the deployment of DADSS technologies and to reduce drunk driving generally that I describe in my written testimony. Virginia is a model for other States to follow. While the DADSS program is currently still in the invention phase, we estimate that, in 2020, we will release the breath- based DADSS technology for fleet vehicles and accessory applications. And in 2024, we are targeting the release of both the breath-based and touch-based DADSS technologies for consumer vehicles, depending on resource availability in 2020 and beyond. While continued research is needed to achieve our 2020 and our 2024 objectives, I am more optimistic than ever that we will be successful. I will be happy to answer your questions. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Strassburger follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you. And now, Ms. Claybrook, you are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF JOAN CLAYBROOK Ms. Claybrook. Thank you so much, Madam Chairman and Ranking Member McMorris Rodgers. It is a pleasure to be here with the members of the subcommittee. I am Joan Claybrook, and I am representing Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, a coalition of consumer health-safety groups and insurers who are working together to save lives by promoting the adoption of safety laws. Thank you for this opportunity to testify. The topic of the hearing, enhancing vehicle technology to prevent drunk driving, is an issue I feel passionately about and to which I have devoted many efforts over many, many years in the last five decades. While we have made progress over the years, the grim reality remains that a drunk-driving fatality occurs every 48 minutes on average, and alcohol-impaired crashes are the largest single contributor to traffic fatalities in the United States. It is past time to address drunk driving with bold Federal action to facilitate wider use of these proved technologies, enactment of proven State laws, and enhanced law enforcement. Advocates, as always, champion proven technology, and for good reason. It is one of the most effective strategies preventing deaths and injuries. In 2012, NHTSA estimated that, since 1960, over 600,000 lives--and that is old data now--have been saved by motor vehicle safety technologies, most of them in Federal standards. One of our most recent achievements was the Federal requirement for rearview cameras as standard equipment in all new cars as of May of this last year. This landmark law never would have been enacted without the remarkable leadership of Chairwoman Schakowsky and the tireless devotion of the victim families. So, thank you so much, Madam Chairman. Similarly, we push forward to reduce drinking and driving with proven technologies, including ignition interlock devices, known as IIDs, and sensor technology. Advocates commends Representative Debbie Dingell--thank you so much--for your recent introduction of legislation to reduce drunk driving following the horrific crash that you mentioned in Northville, Michigan. State laws requiring all convicted drunk drivers to have an IID installed in their vehicle have been shown to be incredibly effective. As such, Congress and NHTSA should continue to motivate the States to enact this lifesaving law and to consider the addition of sanctions for States that fail to act. Federal legislation, enacted with the warning of financial sanctions, encourages every State to adopt the age 21 minimum drinking age, a zero tolerance BAC law for under-age drinking and driving, a .08 percent BAC law. Every one of these lifesaving Federal laws resulting in every State--every State--taking action. And not a single State lost a dollar in Federal construction money, highway construction money, as a result, although that was the penalty if they did not, because they acted. Additionally, the further development of sensor technology holds great promise to reduce drunk-driving crashes. Considerable research has gone into developing the Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety, known as DADSS. After more than a decade of research and millions of dollars provided by Congress, NHTSA and the industry should be doing everything they can to get these technologies into the vehicles without further delay. But, unfortunately, they aren't, and I think the instrumental word that Mr. Strassburger mentioned was that they didn't want to have this in vehicles so that people wouldn't be hassled by the technology. Well, people aren't hassled by this technology because it doesn't come into play unless you are drinking and driving. So, that is a ridiculous statement. I call Mr. Strassburger ``the industry excuse man''. I have testified against him on many, many occasions. And I hope that he will get over this one day. All right. So, placing DADSS into these vehicles is essentially, and there is no better way to advance a potential lifesaving technology. I just talked to Mr. Kelly, and it is my estimate, based on what he said--I want to emphasize that--that if we put these in every single vehicle, it would be about $10 a vehicle. Who wouldn't pay $10 to put this system into their vehicles, so that people would not drive drunk? While IIDs and sensor systems prevent drunk driving, one of the most important defenses, of course, for the drunk driver is a safe car as well. Current advanced driver assistance systems such as automatic emergency braking, lane departure warning, and blindspot detection have verified safety benefits. Yet, none of these systems--none of them-- are required to be standard equipment in all vehicles, and all of them are in some vehicles. So, we know that they work. In fact, many of these technologies are offered only on the most expensive models as a part of a costly luxury package. We urge Congress to require these proven technologies to be standard equipment in all new vehicles by issuing new Federal motor vehicle safety standards with a deadline for implementation, just like the rear camera. In addition to achieving these benefits now, these advanced technologies can serve as building blocks on the path to autonomous vehicles, which we have already heard Mr. Latta mention today. And I appeared recently on a panel with some industry individuals who said that they are a long way down the road. So, they are not going to be the substitute for these technology systems on alcohol, but---- Ms. Schakowsky. Please wrap it up. OK? Ms. Claybrook. OK. Sorry. Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you. Ms. Claybrook. And I would like to commend the law enforcement officers who daily risk their lives in order to prevent drunk driving. Their lives, too, would be better off if we have these systems in cars. So, by deploying all of these known sensible solutions, we can once again make significant progress to reduce drunk driving, and I hope that the committee will not fail to act on this. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Claybrook follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Ms. Schakowsky. The gentlewoman yields back. And now, Mr. Kelly, you are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF DAVID KELLY Mr. Kelly. Good morning, Madam Chair, Ranking Member McMorris Rodgers, members of the subcommittee. Thank you for the invitation to appear before you today to discuss an issue that I have dedicated most of my professional career towards, reducing drunk driving. My name is David Kelly. I am the executive director of the Coalition of Ignition Interlock Manufacturers. I do want to thank Representative Dingell for the leadership that you have shown with your bill. I can tell you from firsthand experience that the family really appreciates what you have done and the support that you have given them. So, I thank you for that. The Coalition is composed of the Nation's leading companies that manufacture ignition interlock devices. These devices prohibit alcohol-impaired drivers from starting their vehicle. We combine our members' expertise, innovation, and experience to speak with one voice to reduce alcohol-related vehicle fatalities. Ignition interlocks do what no other technology available today does. They stop drunk drivers from starting their vehicle. An ignition interlock device is a breathalyzer, just like this, that is installed in a drunk driver offender's vehicle to prevent drinking and driving. Interlocks must meet specific standards that are set by NHTSA. All of the breath test data is stored in the device and is sent to the monitoring agency that is subscribed by that State. Interlocks are a cost-effective and innovative solution designed to keep our public roadways safe. At a cost of less than $3 per day, paid for by the offender, interlocks provide a safety blanket for the cost of a cup of coffee, while freeing up law enforcement to pursue other crimes. The supporters of ignition interlocks are a who's who in traffic safety: MADD, AAA, Advocates, the Alliance for Automobile Manufacturers, American Trauma Society, CDC, the Governors Highway Safety Association, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the National Safety Council, Responsibility.org, just to name a few. All of these organizations actively support ignition interlock devices and first-offender laws. Many convicted drunk drivers, however, continue to drive on a suspended license because they must in order to keep their jobs, take care of their families, or continue with school. Interlocks provide an opportunity for offenders to continue to drive legally and safely to successfully get on with their lives. The Coalition works with policymakers across the country to provide the latest, credible, factual information on ignition interlock devices. Our members are at the forefront of effective ignition interlock programs in every State to deploy this lifesaving technology. According to MADD, over the last decade, interlocks have stopped 2.7 million attempts to drive drunk--2.7 million over the last decade. Our challenge is to get all 50 States to adopt first- offender ignition interlock laws. Currently, 32 States have first-offender laws on the books, and we are working with the remaining 18 States to pass first-offender ignition interlock laws. However, we also advocate for other improvements to State laws. This would include an immediate reinstatement measure where you can get your driving privileges the day after you get arrested or compliance-based removal where you do not have the device removed from your vehicle until you can demonstrate a changed behavior and a 30-day--60-day, depending on State law-- change of behavior where you have an alcohol-free experience with the device. Some of our cameras have cameras, have GPS. We have lots of advanced technology in the devices. So, this is a lot of technology in a very small handset. Currently, States that have passed first-offender ignition interlock laws should be awarded an incentive grant from NHTSA. That was authorized in the last highway bill. However, the NHTSA rules for awarding these grants are needlessly complicated and inflexible. As a result, only seven of the 32 States with first-offender laws have even qualified for the grant money. We are hoping to streamline that process in the next authorization. One of the other things that we need to think about in the next authorization is law enforcement, providing them more funds, as has been talked about, and also looking at how we are going to get more arrests. We know drunk-driving arrests are down over the past decade. We need to reverse this trend. There are other technologies being developed and supported by many in the safety community. While these technologies hold promise, it is important to note that the only commercially available technology that exists today to prevent an impaired driver from starting their vehicle is the ignition interlock. Technology will continue to evolve, including in the interlock industry. As a safety community, we must be prepared to adapt to emerging technologies. However, until they are ready to be deployed, we can't forget what is proven and will likely be the only technology available to prevent drunk driving for the foreseeable future. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Kelly follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you so much. And now, we will begin 5 minutes of Member questions, and I will recognize myself to begin. I wanted to thank you, Ms. Witty, for the dedication that you have had over the years now and your compelling story about your daughter. Moms, everybody knows moms, and I'm just wondering, the No. 1 priority, obviously, is to stop drunk drivers. Is your No. 1 priority in that category that solutions like DADSS are necessary? Ms. Witty. Yes, DADSS needs to be commercialized and deployed in a large fleet, so that more people hear about it. Safety just is not an option. We need to stop the killing. Here she is. Here is my rock star. And what a beautiful way to use technology. Like Representative Dingell said, why don't we use the technology? And so, yes. Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you. So, Mr. Strassburger, the technology being developed for the DADSS program shows some real potential for saving lives, but progress seems to have stalled. And I would like to hear more from you about the progress of the program. Mr. Strassburger. Thank you, Madam Chair. Progress is anything but stalled. We have made significant progress with the breath-based technology, as I mentioned in my statement and in my testimony. We are targeting releasing the breath-based technology in 2020 for fleet applications. I support and agree, and I think it is a constructive suggestion, that this technology be deployed in GSA vehicles, and would look forward to having a discussion about how we can make that happen, how that should be structured as quickly as possible. I agree that that would help further deployment. Ms. Schakowsky. Can I just ask you a question? Mr. Strassburger. Yes. Ms. Schakowsky. Can someone disconnect, not deploy--the driver I am talking about--I mean, is this something that can be overridden by the individual in the car? Mr. Strassburger. The design of DADSS is intended not to be overridden by the driver. And, in fact, our performance specifications are such that we would make that very difficult. However, we are looking at different operating scenarios where, under extreme circumstances, it might need to be overridden, and then, if it is, what followup action should be taken by the driver. For example, performance of the vehicle is degraded until they see a dealer to have the system restored, what have you. Ms. Schakowsky. Let me talk to Ms. Claybrook, who has certainly been the lifelong advocate on auto safety. Do you have any concerns about the DADSS program or the compliance of or willingness of the industry to help move that forward? Ms. Claybrook. I don't know what is the matter with the industry on this issue. This issue came up when I was NHTSA Administrator in the 1970s. John DeLorean supported it in the 1970s and '80s on his experimental car, and he was a former General Motors executive. Now we are talking about this has been an active partnership since 2006. 2006, that is 13 years ago. Where is this system? It didn't take that long to produce airbags. Airbags are a lot more complicated than this, a lot more complicated, and they cost a lot more. So, why isn't this system in every car? I do not understand that. I think this committee should pass a law that requires NHTSA to issue a rule within 3 years to have them in every single car in America. What is the problem? We have so many people who drive drunk, and we can't figure out who they are one by one. If we wait until they kill somebody or harm somebody before a judge requires them to put this system in their car--and there are 18 States that still don't do that--it is just like a morass. Why not just do the simple thing? And plus the fact they have to be wired into the car. The manufacturer should put them in with their wiring as standard equipment in every single car in America. If the DADSS system, then, further develops and we feel we can use that, then let's use that. But I don't understand this. It just is impossible. I mean, it is a killer. This is a killer, and the auto industry is fostering the deaths of these people, in my view. Ms. Schakowsky. Let me quickly just get to Mr. Kelly. Is this a passive system? I am not quite understanding how this works. Mr. Kelly. So, it is an active system. And so, there is a wire that would come out of the bottom of the handset that would go into the ignition system. So, as you turn the car, you take a test. When you pass the test, it completes the circuit and the car then starts. Ms. Schakowsky. What if you don't do the test? Mr. Kelly. The car doesn't start. Ms. Schakowsky. Oh, OK. I understand. So, it is really not passive. You are required to do it? Mr. Kelly. It is active. Ms. Schakowsky. OK. I yield back. And now, I yield to our ranking member for 5 minutes. Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you, Madam Chair. Ms. Witty, I, too, want to thank you for sharing your daughter's story. It is heartbreaking, and I appreciate your being here today. I wanted to hear more about MADD's work with self-driving vehicle technology companies. Do you believe that self-driving vehicles could help reduce the number of alcohol-related fatalities on our roadways? Ms. Witty. Absolutely, yes. We support self-driving vehicles. The problem is we don't know when that is going to be possible. That is in the future. The DADSS program is right now. We could do this. If DADSS was a top priority, it would be in cars, and we could save 7,000 lives a year. Yes, absolutely. AVs, wonderful, but it may be decades away. Now we have got this. Let's stop the killing and save the lives we can today. Mrs. Rodgers. Are there any lessons we have learned from all the important work done by MADD and others to address drunk driving that you think would apply to drug-impaired driving? Ms. Witty. Absolutely, yes. Yes. It is frustrating for me because my daughter was killed be a teenager who was impaired on alcohol and marijuana both. Polydrug use is a huge issue. But, right now, we have the science to stop the drunk part, which they are still saying is the No. 1 killer. That is what worries me so. Often, you know, oh, we have stopped focusing on that. And the deaths are rising, almost 11,000. So, let's keep our focus there and, also, deal with what is emerging with marijuana. The science is still not there. Did that answer your question? Mrs. Rodgers. Yes. Thank you. Ms. Witty. I mean, you can see it. I am like there she is. And there are so many stories that I meet; I see in the eyes that the grief is there. Why can't we stop this? Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you. Ms. Witty. So, thank you. Mrs. Rodgers. Mr. Kelly, 94 percent of traffic accidents are due to human error, which includes making the decision to drive while impaired, either after drinking, taking drugs, or both. We are hearing about technologies inside traditional cars, but how can new technologies, like self-driving vehicles, help improve roadway safety and reduce impaired driving? Mr. Kelly. Thank you for the question. I think, as we have heard today, self-driving vehicles are going to put the traffic safety community out of business, but it is going to be out of business in 20 years, in 30 years, in 40. Who knows where that is, where that technology is? And what we need to do, continue to work on that technology, continue to develop those technologies because they are very important. A lot of the technologies that go into self-driving vehicles are already being implemented on sort of a one-by-one basis in vehicles today. Putting them all together to get a vehicle that works collectively is great, but we need to make sure that we are dealing with what we can deal with today. And that is one of the reasons that we are so passionate about ignition interlocks and getting more of them installed on vehicles. Mrs. Rodgers. Part of the reason I asked the question is because in Washington State we are seeing a dramatic increase in the number of traffic accidents, traffic fatalities that do involve marijuana and other drugs. And I wanted to ask, while you were at NHTSA, was drug- impaired driving a focus for the agency, and are there any lessons learned from drunk driving and what we have done to counter drunk driving that you think that we need to apply to drug-impaired driving or masking, which is mixing drugs and alcohol, that we should be thinking about here in Congress? Mr. Kelly. Absolutely. Unfortunately, during my time at the agency, the drug-impaired driving debate was much similar to the drug-impaired driving debate of today. The discussion was focused around what is a legal standard for driving while impaired with marijuana, and that continues to be the big question within the drug-impaired driving community. How are we going to measure? How are we going to test? What is a legal limit? And there is still no data, no science, and it is frustrating that that discussion is the same. One of the things that can be done, however, and as Helen alluded to, one of the things that can be done today, and the best thing that can be done today on drug-impaired driving is to continue in the enforcement of our current laws, continue enforcement of alcohol-impaired laws, get law enforcement out there. Because with the poly use, we know that if the person has been smoking marijuana or taking other drugs, the odds are they have also been drinking. So, if you can get the impairment, you can get to the drugs. That is what can be done today. Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you. I will yield back my time. Thank you. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentlewoman yields back. And now, I recognize Congressman Castor for 5 minutes. Ms. Castor. Well, thank you, Madam Chair. As a Floridian, this hearing is particularly timely because it is spring break time back home. And unfortunately, that also brings binge drinking and a spike in traffic crashes. Studies have shown that death tolls were 9 percent higher during spring break in spring break destinations, with more deaths among drivers under 25 and those traveling from out-of-State. In Florida, drunk driving caused more than 15 crashes per day in March of last year. So, this spike in deaths is an unfortunate and ongoing problem. And I am not sure that interlock devices after DUI convictions is getting to this problem, especially folks who are driving rental cars. So, Ms. Claybrook, you made it fairly clear you think that Congress should pass a law and that interlock devices should be mandated in all vehicles? Is that---- Ms. Claybrook. I do believe that for several reasons. One is because they are not an irritant. I would prefer to have one that is sensitive to your touch. But, for now, if we can't get that immediately, I would say put in the interlock device. Ms. Castor. OK. Ms. Claybrook. What it does is it reminds everybody that they are not supposed to drink and drive. Ms. Castor. And how about the other witnesses? Do you agree? Ms. Witty. Me? Ms. Castor. Yes, go ahead. Ms. Witty. I want to stop the killing. I want to do what it takes. So, if that is what it is going to take, then that is what I would be for. I don't want to meet another heartbroken person. So, I want it stopped. Ms. Castor. And I really do appreciate you being here. I have two daughters myself. Ms. Witty. And I am a native Floridian. Ms. Castor. So, you understand what happens at spring break then. Ms. Witty. Yes, I have been working in schools for 8 years down in Miami. So, yes, absolutely. Ms. Castor. OK. Mr. Strassburger. Yes, in my written testimony I give some benefits estimates of various technology approaches, of various countermeasures. One of the conclusions that I make is that, if we are to make significant progress reversing the tide on drunk driving, we need vehicle-integrated technology. I am actually technology agnostic. We have a number of ideas here today between conventional interlocks, autonomous vehicles. I personally think DADSS is the technology that will get us there the fastest, but we need vehicle-integrated technology. Ms. Castor. Thank you. Mr. Kelly? Mr. Kelly. And I think that one of the issues that we grapple with in trying to get ignition interlocks installed on vehicles for folks that are supposed to have them, I liken the idea of mandating interlocks back to when we had an ignition interlock system for seatbelts back in the '70s. I think that there needs to be a lot more work done sort of proactively for consumer education, for consumer acceptance. That experiment was around for a year before Congress, then, reversed itself because there was such a backlash. I think there needs to be more work done to sort or prime the pump to get some better consumer acceptance before we would go down that road. Ms. Castor. OK. Ms. Claybrook. Could I comment on that? Ms. Castor. Yes, and I want to ask you a related question, too. Back home in the Tampa Bay area, we have had this phenomenon that is growing where drunk drivers and drivers are now going the wrong way on the interstates. I mean, this has happened over and over again. People are like, why are you driving the wrong way on a bridge? Why are you going onto the interstate? And oftentimes, it is a drunk driver and they have already been convicted of drunk driving. So, Ms. Claybrook, I mean, it is a similar issue. How do we get at that problem, too? Ms. Claybrook. Well, first of all, I hate to admit it, but I was around when the interlock was proposed and put into place. And I was working at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, and then, as a consumer advocate. The real issue was that it was very difficult sometimes to fasten the belts. It was often the passenger side belt, where you had your dog or your groceries that stopped the car from starting because the belt wasn't around your groceries. So, there were a lot of other problems that are quite dissimilar from this. And this is very simple. You blow into it and you are on your way. So, it is far simpler than the other one. I think it does need a consumer information program to educate people, but most people are scared to death of drunk drivers. They don't want to be hit by a drunk driver, and they are going to support whatever it is that stops people from driving drunk and hurting them or their children. So, I don't see the public relations problem with this at all. Ms. Castor. Thank you. I yield back. Ms. Schakowsky. Congressman Burgess, I recognize you for 5 minutes. Mr. Burgess. Well, thank you. And thanks to our witnesses for being here today. Ms. Witty, I have a constituent who has a similar story to yours, unfortunately, which involved both alcohol and a positive qualitative test for marijuana in the driver. Because the blood alcohol level was below .08, no charges were filed. So, here's a young man who was crossing in a crosswalk and hit by a Jeep at night. And mom came in to see me, distraught as you are, as you tell your story today. And her further question to me is, why is it that when there are--she understands the .08 being the level, the legal limit. But if there is a confounding circumstance like a positive test for marijuana, a good defense attorney can make a case for, well, that could be remote, so it might not be active. I get that. But if there are those two things coupled with a death in an accident, that ought to be an automatic referral to a grand jury, and in this case it wasn't. So, I guess my question really is, I am appreciative of trying to bring the technology into play and have it be helpful, but are we educating our local DAs, our State folks? Because drunk driving has been around for a while, but the imposition of, as you said, polypharmacy along with the alcohol really can confound the issue. And I might just ask our two former Administrators, or Acting Administrator, is this something on which you focused during your time at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, helping the local DAs and the State officials? Most of these are State laws, the driving laws that are violated. I have just got to tell you, it is heartbreaking that a mom comes in and says, ``This is what happened and they didn't even prosecute.'' Ms. Claybrook. I didn't quite understand the nature of your question. Are you asking whether it should be lower than .08? Mr. Burgess. Well, .08 does not conform to the legal definition of driving impaired, but .08 plus a positive qualitative test for a metabolite of marijuana---- Ms. Claybrook. Yes. Mr. Burgess [continuing]. Coupled with the death of someone in the accident sequence, those things to me should elevate that. The accident investigation said, well, alcohol was tested; it is below .08. No violation. Terribly sorry, sad accident. Everyone goes on about their business. Ms. Claybrook. Well, I certainly agree with you. I think that it should elevate it. But I don't think that perfection should stop the good. And so, I would step now as fast as possible to try and have a vehicle-integrated system, as Mr. Strassburger said the industry favors, not which one, but an integrated vehicle system to start. And there does need to be more development on how do you measure the drugs and, of course, also some pharmaceuticals that are a problem as well, and so, that are permissible. So, I think that that definitely needs it. I was concerned about it when I was the Administrator. There wasn't as many drugs around, I have to say, when I was NHTSA Administrator. So, it wasn't the main focus. I was focused more on trying to get .08. It was then .10. Mr. Burgess. Sure. It came up again with--yes, ma'am, Ms. Witty? Ms. Witty. The thing is, I faced this with my daughter. The person who killed her was .09, but she was on marijuana. Well, that doesn't matter. And 20 years more, and it still is there. But what we have today is we have an empowered police force. A DRE, a drug recognition expert, can tell. I have worked with these officers. They can look at somebody and they can say what they are on and what it is. So, I would love to see an empowered police force that is believed in court and that could be empowered in court. Because I have ridden with them. Mr. Burgess. Yes, I need to reclaim my time, not to cut you off---- Ms. Witty. OK. Mr. Burgess [continuing]. But my time is limited. Ms. Witty. OK. Mr. Burgess. And the chairwoman is very aggressive about gaveling me. [Laughter.] We spend a lot of time in this committee--and I have got two former NHTSA Administrators--we spent a lot of time in this committee, the subcommittee, on airbags and the Takata airbag crisis, as you recall. We also spent time with the Chevrolet Cobalt and the ignition switch cutting off, so the airbag was not powered. I have encountered a situation back home that I had not encountered before. And that is the placement of a fake airbag when an airbag is replaced, in this case after an accident, but I guess it could also occur if an airbag was recalled in one of these Takata sequences. But here was a young woman, and the story is she was impaired, so it fits into this discussion. But the airbag did not deploy because the airbag was just junk. It was a shop rag and some wax and some electrical tape because the airbag had deployed on the car previously. They had fixed the damage. It had cost $1,500 to put a new airbag in. Nobody wants to make that expense. So, they go to a cut-rate shop that says, ``We will get the sensor turned off,'' and as a consequence they put in something that looked like a module but was not a module. She hit a tree at 45 miles an hour, transected her aorta, and died. So, I had not encountered that before. I don't know if the agency, if this is something that is appearing or this is just a one-off. But, Madam Chairman, I will submit that in writing to you, because I know we don't have time to answer. But I hope we would spend some time talking about the airbag situation because we did not solve it 2 years ago when I was chairman. Ms. Claybrook. If I could just respond, Madam Chairman, just to say that, yes, there are examples of people doing that, but it is not very frequent. And so, I wouldn't focus on that in terms of whether or not these other systems would work well. Mr. Burgess. If we don't surveil, if we don't know the number, I mean---- Ms. Claybrook. Well, there needs to be surveillance. And the insurance industry is also very helpful in that regard because they pay for the new airbag to be put in after the crash. Mr. Burgess. It didn't work out in this case. Ms. Schakowsky. So, I am going to recognize Mr. Soto, yes, for 5 minutes for questioning. Mr. Soto. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. What a fascinating topic, and how technology is just evolving in so many areas of our society. You look at the original solutions to drunk driving, in addition to just not doing it. It was having designated drivers and taxis and the DC Metro, or SunRail back in our district. Now we have Uber, Lyft, and other ride shares that contribute a lot to helping get those folks off the roads; driverless vehicles eventually. And now, we have the Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety program. And I really appreciate my colleague, Representative Castor, talking about, should it be a penalty for existing drunk drivers, an optional feature in cars, or should we go right into it and make it a standard feature, particularly if it was a push button? And the idea that, could technology make drunk driving obsolete? It is just a fascinating possibility in the world we live in. And when you think about it, it would save all these lives of folks who are victims who get hit, but also save a lot of people from making a lot of bad mistakes and getting into the criminal justice system by being drunk drivers, not only from the injuries that they could sustain, but all the legal expenses and that our court systems deal with on a daily basis. So, if we were to eventually have this technology to a level where it was standard equipment, and you simply, as an American, pushed the button, and your car doesn't start because you are over the limit, and we went nationwide with something like that, it would be great to hear from each of the panelists. What are the various concerns and issues that we should be contemplating and addressing to create a regime like that? And we will start from left to right, starting with Ms. Witty. Ms. Witty. The DADSS is what we would prefer for everyone because ignition interlock, we would agree with you then, the ignition interlock is more punitive and it makes the person work. So, exactly, the DADSS program would be passive unless you are breaking the law, exactly. Let's add hospitals to the saving the money. Mr. Soto. Sure. Ms. Witty. We wouldn't have the injuries and all those. So, as far as MADD is concerned, we see DADSS as what we would want installed because it is not there unless you are breaking the law. Mr. Soto. Sure. Mr. Strassburger, what concerns? What do we have to address if we were to put together legislation eventually that would address that? Mr. Strassburger. So, the DADSS program has always been structured from the beginning to build consumer awareness and acceptance of the technology, in sync with the technology, so that there is a consumer pull, coupled with an industry push for the technology. I actually think we can get full penetration faster that way. There may be two things that need to be taken into consideration with respect to a mandate. One is that we should not be picking technology winners and losers. We should be technology agnostic. And some of the technologies that we are talking about here today are good examples of why that should be. The other thing I want to address is that, while I will, no surprise, disagree with former Administrator Claybrook, not hassling drivers who are not the problem, who don't see they are the problem, is a very important consideration. And seatbelt interlocks in the 1970s are very instructive. Mr. Soto. Thank you. And we can imagine just a push button where it turns or not, and your car doesn't start, for every driver. It would be great to hear from you next, Ms. Claybrook, as well. Ms. Claybrook. Well, I think that the most important thing is for Congress to act. I think the people are just sick and tired of waiting and waiting and waiting. This has been going on since I was Administrator 40-plus years ago, and it is still going on today. And people are dying every single year. These deaths destroy families. You know, Ms. Witty has risen to the height above it, but most families are so devastated, and particularly if it is the breadwinner. So, we should act, and if it means that we act as something less than perfect, let's do that, and then, let's make sure that we can get to DADSS. I hope that we could. That would be fine with me, and I think the Government has put a huge amount of money in it. The industry has put money into it. Let's finish the job. Mr. Soto. And Mr. Kelly? Mr. Kelly. I think that in a perfect world what needs to be done, and one of the big landmines in sort of going with that type of program, is the public education. Look, nobody thinks they are a bad driver. Nobody thinks they are a drunk driver. It is always everybody else's fault. You know, you are the bad driver; you are the one that cut me off. It doesn't matter you were on your cell phone doing 30 miles an hour in the lefthand lane, right? But that is the mentality of the driver. And we need to do a lot more work to overcome that before we start thinking about mandating technology across every vehicle. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentleman yields back. And I now recognize Representative Bucshon for 5 minutes. Mr. Bucshon. Well, thank you very much. My wife's first cousin was killed on her first car date when she was 16, a drunk driver. So, this affects every family. I was a cardiovascular and thoracic surgeon before, and obviously, in my role as treating trauma patients, I have seen many people who have been hit or, honestly, have been driving themselves drunk and have been injured. This is a critical problem, and I would agree that it is something that we probably have slowly tried to address, probably too slowly. And it appears there is technology now that there is no excuse really for not addressing this issue. So, in that vein, Mr. Strassburger, when will the Driver Alcohol Detection Systems that you are working on be commercially available? Mr. Strassburger. As I mentioned both in my written testimony and my opening statement, we expect that, by 2020, we will be releasing the breath-based technology for fleet and accessory applications, and that by 2024---- Mr. Bucshon. So, at that time, what you are saying is that you will release it, and I get that. There's a lot of technologies that are released, but, then, are not economically feasible. If you are going to add a thousand dollars to a $12,000 car, a lot of times for many people that is not economically feasible. So what you are saying is, by 2020, this should be not only available and potentially installed in vehicles, but it will be economically feasible to install in all levels of vehicles, not just high-end vehicles? Mr. Strassburger. That is correct. The task that we took on back when the campaign to eliminate drunk driving launched was to demonstrate the commercial feasibility, viability, and assure the certainty of the technology. That has been our focus from day one. Mr. Bucshon. Yes. Mr. Strassburger. So, it is our intention that, if we can demonstrate feasibility, viability, and certainty, that it will be used. Mr. Bucshon. Great. And I do agree that--and some of you have talked about it--that you do, unfortunately and frustratingly, have to have consumer buy-in on these types of issues, because if you don't, people will go to the extremes to try to subvert them. They will have friends touch the ignition with their finger because they think they have had too much to drink, and then, they will hop in the seat. Or they will have a kid touch it, believe it or not. So, these types of things, we do have to have consumer buy-in and understanding. We also have to make ways that people can't get around these things, if we decide to do it, as we should. Mr. Kelly, what are the particular challenges drug-impaired driving pose that alcohol-impaired driving does not? Mr. Kelly. The biggest problem is setting the legal limit, to define what is impairment from a drug. And each drug is going to have a different--whether it is marijuana or whether it is prescription drugs, whatever it is, each impair differently. And setting a legal limit is probably the No. 1 challenge to try to define. Because as we talk about this in this setting, when it gets down to an enforcement perspective and in a prosecution perspective, judges and juries, they like per se levels. And that is the biggest challenge of getting these types of cases prosecuted. Mr. Bucshon. And, for example, in my district in Newburgh, Indiana, there was a sledding hill all the kids used, but they probably shouldn't. But they have been doing it for decades. It crosses a road, right? And so, a young lady, 16 years old, a couple of years ago, an impaired driver was coming down the road too quickly and hit her as she sledded across the road, where she shouldn't have been. But, you know, kids do crazy things. I have got four kids; I know this. It turns out she blew zero on her breathalyzer test in the field, did have some field sobriety tests that said she was impaired. But it actually took the prosecutors and law enforcement months and months and months to finally prove that and convict her of reckless driving, essentially, being impaired. But it was a struggle, right, because there was no definable level of impairment. So, I would agree that that is a substantial challenge. And when you see the level of use, I mean, some people have mentioned the data about how many high school kids are using this. We need to work on that. So, are there other things, other than breathalyzers and other things, that we can do in vehicles that would help with this? I mean, it is one thing. Maybe we shouldn't be able to open the door, for example. Does anybody have an opinion on that? Even get in the car at all? Ms. Claybrook. Do what? Mr. Bucshon. You would have, on the outside of the car, you would have a detection system, and if you don't pass that, you can't even open the car door. Ms. Claybrook. Oh, I see. Mr. Bucshon. I don't know. Ms. Claybrook. I like that idea. I love technology. Mr. Bucshon. I mean, that is an extreme. But, anyway, my time has expired. I appreciate your testimony. It is powerful. And, Ms. Witty, obviously, yours is very powerful testimony, and we need to take all these things into consideration and improve our systems. Thank you. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentleman yields back. And now, I will recognize Congressman McNerney for 5 minutes. Mr. McNerney. Well, I thank the Chair and the ranking member. I thank the witnesses for really good, excellent testimony this morning. Mr. Strassburger, could you give us an update on the test program, and specifically, how many cars are being tested? Mr. Strassburger. Yes. So, with the wonderful cooperation of the State of Virginia and James River Transportation, we are operating up to four vehicles out of two sites, the Norfolk Airport and the Richmond Airport. There is consideration being given to expanding the number of vehicles tested in what we call a naturalistic evaluation. We will also, once we have OMB approval, be testing anywhere between 20 and 40 vehicles in different locations around the country that are representative of the extreme environmental and other environmental conditions that you would normally experience in a car. So, we are working on, we are actually doing shakedown testing of those vehicles right now in anticipation of OMB clearance, but we don't have that clearance yet. Mr. McNerney. So, about how many cars does it usually take for an automaker to adopt a new technology? Mr. Strassburger. Well, it depends on the technology and the test matrix, but, normally, a lot more than what we are testing right now. We are working on securing other evaluations, as I have mentioned. Mr. McNerney. Are you looking to partner with other States? Is California one of the States you are---- Mr. Strassburger. California is not. They have not expressed an interest, but we would love to have them. Mr. McNerney. So, what are the obstacles that are keeping from expanding to those States? Mr. Strassburger. We will talk to any State that wants to talk to us about deploying vehicles. NHTSA has issued guidance to every State--that was, I think, back in 2016--that allows them to use their Federal grant funding for DADSS programs. So, I am open to talk to anyone, States or otherwise. Mr. McNerney. So, it sounded like your testimony showed you are expecting another 4-year extension of the DADSS testing, is that right? Mr. Strassburger. Not testing. There is, we estimate, another 4 years of research that we need to conduct to be able to release the DADSS derivative for privately owned vehicles, that is, the version that would go on every car and truck that a consumer would buy. Mr. McNerney. Ms. Claybrook, what do you think about that timeframe? Ms. Claybrook. Well, what amazes me is, when the auto industry wants to introduce a new technology, it is zip, it is done. On the autonomous cars, which are so much more complicated than what we are talking about today, they are pushing hard to get autonomous. They tried to push legislation through last year to get autonomous cars to be tested on the highway and to be sold very shortly thereafter. So, I think that it is like a bureaucratic nightmare that we are experiencing here, and I see no reason why it is going to take this long to test such a simple system as this. And it is discouraging. It is discouraging to all the organizations that have been working on this for so many years, but it is like a slow walk. You know what I mean by that? Mr. McNerney. Right, right. Ms. Claybrook. So, I think it is time to get past the slow walk. And there is one body in this United States Government that can do, and that is the United States Congress. Mr. McNerney. Thank you for that. I want to follow up a little bit on what Mr. Bucshon was talking about, universal impaired driving. There is no mechanical--I mean, obviously, the blood levels are all over the place for different substances. There is no mechanical test. Is it feasible to have a mechanical test that a driver would have to take before turning on the key, before the key would turn on the ignition? Ms. Claybrook. You mean for drugs? Mr. McNerney. For impairment. Ms. Claybrook. For impairment. I see. Mr. Strassburger. That actually has been looked at in the 1970s, for example, to measure your cognitive ability. That is something that we looked at. You would be given a string of numbers, for example. Mr. McNerney. Well, I think it is more important to have a reflex than a cognitive---- Mr. Strassburger. But I think the approach was to look at your ability to drive a vehicle safely. And so, that one was looking at entering a string of numbers that were displayed on the screen. The problem with that is that most people couldn't, even if they were not impaired, complete that task. [Laughter.] Mr. McNerney. OK. Mr. Kelly. And I think that there have been some discussions around that as well. You know, impairment is impairment; let's define the impairment and let's try to test to the impairment. And that is one way to get around the legal limit levels. I know a lot of groups are talking about that, but action items there are very difficult to come by. Mr. McNerney. I yield back. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentleman yields back. And now, I recognize Congressman Carter for 5 minutes. Mr. Carter. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank all of you for being here. What an important subject. And, Ms. Witty, God bless you. Thank you so much for your testimony. We appreciate it. Mr. Kelly, I am going to start with you. And you make a good point: We do need to do something, and obviously, as much as we can do about drunken driving. But your devices, you are not up to the point where you can use it for drug driving. Because what I want to discuss in my little bit of time here is the drug driving. So, you are not at that point yet? Yours is just with alcohol? Mr. Kelly. The ignition interlock, yes, right now it is specific to alcohol. There are some testing devices that are out there that can detect marijuana, but it is the presence of marijuana, and that is when you link it back to the impairment level. Mr. Carter. So, there are devices out there that can actually monitor or measure for marijuana? Mr. Kelly. It detects marijuana. Mr. Carter. Detects marijuana? Mr. Kelly. Detects it. And there are some other companies that are looking at some research and some devices that would be able to detect other types of drugs as well, but it is just a strict pointer system, as opposed to saying, OK, well, now you are impaired. Especially with marijuana, marijuana, first of all, whether you smoke it, you vape it, it is an oil, it is an edible---- Mr. Carter. Right, right. Mr. Kelly [continuing]. It all is different. Mr. Carter. Right. Mr. Kelly. And so, even just pointing to it, it was marijuana, it is difficult to say, OK, well, you know, was it a week ago---- Mr. Carter. OK. Mr. Kelly [continuing]. Or an hour ago? Mr. Carter. Yes, that is exactly right. Ms. Witty, let me ask you. I understand that in your testimony, when I was reading it, it said that you support MADD---- Ms. Witty. Yes. Mr. Carter [continuing]. And the work that they are doing with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to address drug driving. What do you want to see come out of that effort? I know you are not here representing MADD, but what are they looking for? Ms. Witty. Well, what is MADD looking for? Mr. Carter. In the way of monitoring for drug driving? Ms. Witty. For drug driving? Mr. Carter. Right. Ms. Witty. I am here to support MADD. Mr. Carter. OK. Ms. Witty. And we are working hard. We are working in tandem. The thing is, there are so many drugs. And what I hear from police officers is, we can determine impairment, but for a certain device to determine impairment is the question. Mr. Carter. Right. Ms. Witty. So, what happens is we know what determines impairment through the BAC of alcohol. So, that is something we know. The drugs, with the number of them and how they change so quickly, that is an emerging issue. So, yes, but we are right on it. We are drunk and drugged driving. Mr. Carter. OK. OK. Ms. Witty. So, absolutely. Mr. Carter. Absolutely. OK. Well, here is my point: I agree with Dr. Bucshon. I agree with Representative McNerney that we need some kind of universal device that would help us or universal solution. Here is the point I want to make in full disclosure: I am absolutely, adamantly opposed to the recreational use of marijuana. Currently, I am the only pharmacist serving in Congress. And I will tell you, I consider it to be nothing more than a gateway drug. I am sorry, that is just my feeling. If that offends you, then that is something you will just have to deal with. But let me tell you, right now, marijuana is a Schedule I drug. That means that it is for investigational use only. It cannot have research done on it. The DEA is failing the American public here by not letting research take place on marijuana. I would hope that MADD will address that. We had an Attorney General who was going to address this, who was going to say that we have a Federal law that prohibits marijuana use. Yet, we have States going out legalizing the recreational use of marijuana. But that Attorney General is gone now. So, it is not being addressed. This is something that needs to be addressed by the DEA. Currently, I am writing an op-ed right now, in conjunction with one of my Democratic colleagues, Representative Earl Blumenauer, about the need for research in the medical marijuana. Now that is a whole different subject than the recreational marijuana. But we need to have the ability to do research. If we could do research on marijuana, we would have the ability to detect and maybe provide some of these and create some of these devices that would check this. So, I hope that that would be something that MADD would address and something that MADD will work on and help us with. Ms. Witty. I would hope so. Here is the issue: MADD has got to focus on driving, drunk and drugged driving. And so, exactly what you are saying. We can't get to the driving until we have that research done. Mr. Carter. Absolutely. Ms. Witty. So, we have to be careful that we remain focused. Just like we are not against alcohol; we are against drunk driving. We have to take the position we are not against marijuana; we are against marijuana and driving. Now don't ask to say personally. OK? I mean, I get it. And that is where our power is. We remain focused. But what my worry is, this is not a priority. We need to keep this, the drunk and drugged driving, a priority, so that we can stop the killing that is happening. Mr. Carter. Absolutely. A valid point. Thank you, Ms. Witty, again, and God bless you. Ms. Witty. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Carter. And I yield back. Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you. The gentleman yields back. And I now recognize for 5 minutes the Honorable Debbie Dingell. Mrs. Dingell. I want to thank you, Madam Chairwoman. And before my colleague leaves, I want to say to you that I am a pragmatic person. Having had a sister that died of a drug overdose and a father that was a drug addict, I have a very natural reaction. But I also know it is a reality. My State just legalized it, and it is being legalized in State after State in this country, and we need to deal with it. Part of the problem is--Madam Chairwoman, this is totally off--but I would encourage us to get the Acting Administrator of NHTSA in, who has this as a priority. Her problem has been that they have not been able to test it. You are starting to see more. But it needs to be an absolute priority. I think everyone in this room is worried about impaired driving, period. It is killing people. So, pragmatically, you are absolutely right. I am having to deal with it is legalized in Michigan now, and I want to make sure we keep people safe in the process. So, I want to say that. Now I want to go to drunk driving, which we do know, we do have the technology, and it is killing people. So, while we have got to get there--and I want to thank my colleagues on the Republican side, for I think today has truly been a very bipartisan hearing--we have got a problem. And that is why we are here. And we have had a problem since the '70s or the '60s and the '50s. But, as Joan Claybrook says, we have been talking about it since then. I would also agree with Mr. Kelly that we do need a public relations campaign because I don't remember this--some people think I am old; I am seasoned, but not old; you are seasoned and not old, either, Ms. Claybrook--but we still to this day hear about that campaign to require seatbelts being buckled. And it is used as an excuse for everything. And we have got to stop using it. It is now 2019; it is not the 1970s, and people are dying and the technology exists. So, I am looking at that little girl who said to me, ``It exists. Why aren't we using it?'' I thank all of you for being here. Mr. Strassburger, you answered some questions about how many are being currently tested. But what I want to figure out is how we are going to get this from limited field testing to something that is placed in the vehicles. I totally agree the 4 years is just way too long. We keep having that excuse. And you said California--you got asked a question about whether California was one of those States. Have you gone to California? What are you doing to actively go out and market it and to accelerate it? Mr. Strassburger. So, what we are doing, number one is just next week I am meeting with all of the OEMs to update them on this technology and tell them that, now that we are moving to fleet or see the time for fleet deployments, that they should begin to consider including this in their own program plans and package-protect for the technology. Next month, we are at the National Fleet Administrators Conference in Kentucky, meeting with them and trying to get this deployed through fleets, et cetera. Mrs. Dingell. I don't want to interrupt, but I am going to have you give us more answers because I have only got 2 minutes left. But how many more vehicles do you need to get this solid testing data? Mr. Strassburger. I think that the suggestion that Ms. Witty made about the GSA fleet is an excellent one. Mrs. Dingell. OK. So, I am going to ask all of you, what should Congress be doing to accelerate the pace of deployment for DADSS? Mr. Strassburger. Well, in our case, it would be to continue to fund this research, and if we have additional funding---- Mrs. Dingell. OK. We keep funding it, but it is not getting there. Ms. Claybrook or Mr. Kelly, would you care to comment? Ms. Claybrook. What I would say is that the Congress should mandate it with a date certain and pick a date when these systems have to be in cars. Ask NHTSA to do the rulemaking. Take all the research that has been done and evaluate it, and show that these systems work, can be used. They are being used now on the highway. If they are used now on the highway, why can't they be in every car? I don't get it. And so, that is for the interlock. The DADSS should certainly be pushed, and NHTSA should be given an instruction to do that and a date for getting them into cars. Mrs. Dingell. Mr. Kelly? Mr. Kelly. I think the public education campaign needs to be ramped up and some oversight on that and what is happening there, especially working with NHTSA. What they are doing from their involvement is helpful, too. Mrs. Dingell. OK. I am going to move quickly. Ms. Witty, I am going to switch subjects because I am down to 20-some seconds. In States that have mandatory first-offender interlock laws, have you seen a reduced number of alcohol-related fatalities? Ms. Witty. Yes. Yes, by about 16 percent. Yes. Mrs. Dingell. Ms. Claybrook, what do you think is needed to have the other 18 States adopt mandatory first-offender interlock laws? Ms. Claybrook. Well, this Congress could require that the States do that. Just like they did on age 21 and .08, have a penalty, maybe a 2- or 3-year phase-in, and then, a penalty apply. And as I said, the penalty is never going to apply because all the States have always done it. Mrs. Dingell. Ms. Witty, what is the cause of resistance from States that haven't implemented the mandatory first- offender laws? Ms. Witty. That is a good question. Mrs. Dingell. So, we will get you to answer that for the record because I am now over. Ms. Witty. I don't understand that. Mrs. Dingell. Can I submit questions for the record, Madam Chair? Ms. Schakowsky. Without objection, so ordered. Mrs. Dingell. Thank you. And I also request unanimous consent from the committee to submit the full text of a report from the National Academy of Sciences, which has items we should all be considering as we are working this issue. Ms. Schakowsky. Without objection, so ordered.\1\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The report has been retained in committee files and also is available at https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF17/20190314/109109/ HHRG-116-IF17-20190314-SD004.pdf. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mrs. Dingell. Thank you. Sorry I had to be so fast. Ms. Schakowsky. The gentlewoman yields back. There are other things for the record: a letter from the Coalition for Future Mobility--I am asking unanimous consent to enter all of these into the record--a letter from the Consumer Technology Association, a letter from Securing America's Future Energy, and a letter from the American Beverage Licensees on drunk driving and technology. Without objection, so ordered. [The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.] Ms. Schakowsky. Let me just say that this hearing has clearly raised a number of questions about whether NHTSA should prioritize or is prioritizing the DADSS program. I think it should be, but we want to hear. And we will have the NHTSA Administrator before the subcommittee for an oversight hearing. But, in the meantime, I plan to send a letter to NHTSA requesting information about its current commitment to, and future plans for, the DADSS program. So, at this point, I want to thank all of our witnesses. I want to thank all the Members that did come today. I want to thank the ranking member. And I want to thank our staff on both sides of the aisle for the good work that they did. I remind Members that, pursuant to committee rules, that each Member has 10 business days to submit additional questions for the record to be answered by the witnesses who have appeared. I ask each witness to respond promptly to any such requests for information that you may receive. And at this time, the subcommittee is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 11:54 a.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.] [Material submitted for inclusion in the record follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Frank Pallone, Jr. You will hear this statistic or some form of it many times today--more than 10,000 people die every year from drunk- driving crashes. It is the leading cause of traffic crash deaths in the country. In my home State of New Jersey, drunk driving killed 125 people in 2017. And we shouldn't forget that drunk driving not only kills the people who drink and drive, it often kills others. This committee has spent lots of time over the past few years exploring ways to make our roads safer. Yet, this issue is rarely discussed. So I am glad we are finally shining a light on the problem. The thing is, drunk driving is preventable. But the statistics haven't really changed since the mid-1990s. Drunk driving has killed around 10,000 people every year for the past 25 years. That's more than 250,000 people who did not have to die. We know it's bad. The people who drive drunk know its bad. But despite the statistics and despite all the tragic stories, they still choose to drive drunk-whether it's because they are too impaired to make a reasonable decision, or they can't read their own level of intoxication. We can no longer rely only on education campaigns or punishment after the fact. The average drunk driver has driven drunk more than 80 times before the first arrest. Fifty to 75 percent of drunk-driving offenders will drive drunk again. We need to explore the ways we can stop this cycle. There are devices available today to help. Many State laws require ignition interlocks, which prevent the car from starting if alcohol is detected through a breathalyzer or other system, for repeat offenders. Now 30 States and Washington, DC, require ignition interlocks even for first-time offenders. These devices have been shown to be very effective is stopping repeated offenses while they are installed. Ignition interlocks, while quite effective, are generally a temporary measure, used as a punishment after someone is caught driving drunk. Use of the device can be intrusive-it may take up to 30 seconds to get a reading. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration teamed up with a group of automakers, the Automotive Coalition for Traffic Safety, or ACTs, to engage in a research program to study advanced technology to help eliminate drunk driving. The program, known as the Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety, or DADSS, Program has been exploring technology to automatically detect when a driver is intoxicated and prevent the car from starting. Unlike current interlock devices, DADSS technology would not affect normal driving behavior. The program is looking at a breath-based system and a touch-based system. Each of these technologies would be fully integrated into vehicles. The hope is that these technologies could be made available as an option for every new car or for installation in cars previously purchased. This may be particularly important for parents with teens just learning to drive. The DADSS program shows a lot of potential to significantly reduce drunk driving. The program started 10 years ago, and it's made significant progress developing these technologies. But I'm concerned that progress has stalled. DADSS technology is being tested in a few cars. But a few cars aren't enough. I look forward to hearing today about how we can encourage progress in the DADSS program as well as any other vehicle technology that can help eradicate drunk driving and save thousands of lives. Thank you, and I yield the balance of my time to Congresswoman Dingell. Prepared Statement of Hon. Greg Walden Good morning, and thank you Chair Schakowsky for holding today's hearing on drunk driving and ways in which we can use technology to help prevent it. I would like to note that last Congress, this subcommittee held a hearing to examine the growing problem of drug-impaired driving. The fact is, impaired driving, whether it be alcohol-impaired or drug-impaired, is a serious public risk that continues to tragically cut so many lives short. Nearly 11,000 Americans lose their lives on our roadways each year because of the reckless decision to get behind the wheel after having consumed alcohol. That is almost 1 person every 48 minutes. Just think, while we are here discussing ways in which we can address this problem, we will lose several lives. It is simply unacceptable. Data indicates that younger adults are more at risk to be involved in an alcohol related fatal crash. Among fatal crashes, the highest percentage of drunk drivers is for ages 21 to 24 followed by 25 to 34. We must promote innovation and education to save our youth. Drug-impaired driving has also taken hold on our roadways and the terrible scourge of opioid addiction shows its lethal effects on driving. The number of American drivers killed in car crashes in which drugs were detected has steadily increased. Just a couple years ago, almost half of all fatally injured drivers with known results tested positive for drugs. The 10-year trend demonstrates that drug-impaired driving has increased despite seeing decreases in alcohol-impaired driving. But let me be clear, it is never acceptable to drive impaired. Even the slightest consumption of alcohol or drugs can have devastating effects. Thankfully, we are seeing technological advancements and innovations that can help address the risks of impaired driving. These technology-based solutions include ridesharing companies giving consumers more transportation options, appropriate uses of ignition interlock devices for those convicted of driving impaired, breath- and touch-based sensors, and self-driving vehicle technology. Taking a step back, the committee has been focused on roadway safety and technology to improve safety on the roads throughout our history. With the recent rises of highway fatalities, I would encourage this subcommittee to continue to support new technologies that can drive that number down as we see incredible investment and growth trajectories for companies developing self-driving technologies. Last Congress, this committee focused on self-driving vehicle technology that could drastically reduce impaired driving from our roadways altogether. We worked across the aisle in a bipartisan fashion to help address the unacceptable number of lives we lose each year and crafted the SELF DRIVE Act. The SELF DRIVE Act was championed by Representatives Latta, Schakowsky, Upton, and Dingell--I want to thank you all for your leadership on this issue. I believe the SELF DRIVE Act was an example of this committee at its absolute best: working together to address a real public crisis. As a result of that approach, we were able to pass the SELF DRIVE Act out of committee on a 54-0 vote and it eventually unanimously passed the House. As a reflection of our commitment to support technology to reduce all highway fatalities, including those caused by drunk driving, I hope this committee will prioritize this bipartisan legislation issue to improve safety, increase mobility options, and support American innovation and jobs. Reducing impaired driving is a bipartisan issue. We all care deeply about protecting lives on the roadways and doing what we can to address the safety risk of impaired driving. This issue has impacted every person in this room and I hope with that in mind we can continue to work together on solutions. I want to thank our distinguished panel for being here today and I look forward to our discussion. Thank you. I yield back. [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [all]