[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] SMART MOBILITY: IT'S A COMMUNITY ISSUE ======================================================================= FIELD HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY OF THE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ OCTOBER 25, 2019 __________ Serial No. 116-51 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available via the World Wide Web: http://science.house.gov ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 38-135 PDF WASHINGTON : 2020 COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HON. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas, Chairwoman ZOE LOFGREN, California FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma, DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois Ranking Member SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon MO BROOKS, Alabama AMI BERA, California, BILL POSEY, Florida Vice Chair RANDY WEBER, Texas CONOR LAMB, Pennsylvania BRIAN BABIN, Texas LIZZIE FLETCHER, Texas ANDY BIGGS, Arizona HALEY STEVENS, Michigan ROGER MARSHALL, Kansas KENDRA HORN, Oklahoma RALPH NORMAN, South Carolina MIKIE SHERRILL, New Jersey MICHAEL CLOUD, Texas BRAD SHERMAN, California TROY BALDERSON, Ohio STEVE COHEN, Tennessee PETE OLSON, Texas JERRY McNERNEY, California ANTHONY GONZALEZ, Ohio ED PERLMUTTER, Colorado MICHAEL WALTZ, Florida PAUL TONKO, New York JIM BAIRD, Indiana BILL FOSTER, Illinois JAIME HERRERA BEUTLER, Washington DON BEYER, Virginia FRANCIS ROONEY, Florida CHARLIE CRIST, Florida GREGORY F. MURPHY, North Carolina SEAN CASTEN, Illinois BEN McADAMS, Utah JENNIFER WEXTON, Virginia VACANCY ------ Subcommittee on Research and Technology HON. HALEY STEVENS, Michigan, Chairwoman DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois JIM BAIRD, Indiana, Ranking Member MIKIE SHERRILL, New Jersey ROGER MARSHALL, Kansas BRAD SHERMAN, California TROY BALDERSON, Ohio PAUL TONKO, New York ANTHONY GONZALEZ, Ohio BEN McADAMS, Utah JAIME HERRERA BEUTLER, Washington STEVE COHEN, Tennessee BILL FOSTER, Illinois C O N T E N T S October 25, 2019 Page Hearing Charter.................................................. 2 Opening Statements Statement by Representative Haley Stevens, Chairwoman, Subcommittee on Research and Technology, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives........... 7 Written Statement............................................ 8 Statement by Representative Michael Cloud, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives........... 9 Written statement............................................ 10 Written statement by Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, Chairwoman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives....................................... 11 Witnesses: The Honorable David Coulter, Oakland County Executive Oral Statement............................................... 13 Written Statement............................................ 15 Mr. Mark Dowd, Executive Director, Smart Cities Lab Oral Statement............................................... 20 Written Statement............................................ 22 Dr. Raj Rajkumar, Director of Mobility21 and George Westinghouse Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon University Oral Statement............................................... 28 Written Statement............................................ 31 Dr. Tierra Bills, Assistant Professor, Civil and Environmental Engineering, College of Engineering, Wayne State University Oral Statement............................................... 40 Written Statement............................................ 42 Mr. Scott Averitt, Technical Expert and Manager of Public/Private Partnerships, Robert Bosch LLC Oral Statement............................................... 50 Written Statement............................................ 52 Discussion....................................................... 64 Appendix: Additional Material for the Record Letters submitted by Representative Haley Stevens, Chairwoman, Subcommittee on Research and Technology, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives........... 82 Presentation submitted by Mr. Scott Averitt, Technical Expert and Manager of Public/Private Partnerships, Robert Bosch LLC....... 102 SMART MOBILITY: IT'S A COMMUNITY ISSUE ---------- FRIDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2019 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Research and Technology, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:01 a.m., at Livonia City Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan, Hon. Haley Stevens [Chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding. [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. This hearing will come to order. Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare recess at any time. Good morning. Welcome. It's truly significant to be here today in Livonia, Michigan. I am delighted to host today's hearing and extend my warmest welcome and thank you to my esteemed colleagues, Congressman Bill Foster of Illinois and Congressman Michael Cloud of Texas. We thank our Chairwoman Eddie Bernice Johnson and Ranking Member Jim Baird, who could not be with us here today for the hearing but are supportive partners of today's event. We also recognize our recently departed colleague, Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland. Mr. Cummings was a known and calming presence in the halls of Congress. Reflecting on his legacy and his wishes for our Congress, Mr. Cummings would be doing exactly what we are doing here today: Figuring out ways to advance our country and to help his district. He had a significant emphasis in our Congress, incredible talents, and a voice that spoke truth. As his body lay in state yesterday in the Capitol, my colleagues and I said goodbye to a man who worked up until his last living moments on this earth. May we all be so lucky to witness such service to others and love of the beautiful country we call home. We are here today to examine the use of smart technology to improve the abilities of small cities and suburban communities to provide safe and efficient mobility solutions. Smart mobility: It's a community issue. Michigan's 11th District has been on the forefront of these innovations, playing a key role with our industry leaders and best-in-class workforce, so it is only fitting that we gather here today to discuss how to make technology more effective through collaboration between public, private, and academic stakeholders. These are some of the questions that compel the work of Congress: How to best use government to yield the best results for regional economies like ours. Recent developments in connected and autonomous vehicles, combined with increasing computing power and travel data, have enabled rapid advances in regional planning and mobility. Smart mobility technologies have already begun to shape how Americans move around and live. They are being used to reduce traffic congestion and cut emissions. A 2019 study by Texas A&M University found that national gridlock costs our country $166 billion per year. The most recent highway bill, the Fixing America's Surface Transportation Act, the FAST Act, provides some funding for smart mobility, including $60 million per year for the new Advanced Transportation and Congestion Mitigation Deployment Program and support for several University Transportation Centers focused on improving the mobility of people and goods. While these investments are important, like most of our transportation and infrastructure investments, we must do much more to meet the scale of the challenge and opportunity. Smart mobility technologies also have the potential to move us toward the goal of a society with zero traffic fatalities. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced just this week that overall highway fatalities decreased by 2.4 percent in 2018, the second year of declines. However, nearly 40,000 people lost their lives on our roadways. The same report showed that pedestrian fatalities increased 3.4 percent and bicycle fatalities increased 6.3 percent. Finally, these technologies have the potential to provide affordable and reliable transportation to basic services like health care and employment for those living with disabilities, older adults, and others who do not have access to individual transportation. We need to start having a broader conversation about how smart technology can be applied in all communities. What works within major city limits may not work in the suburbs or small towns in which mobility options are more limited. The solution involves working with our communities, including our city councils, township boards, and county commissions across America with their unique needs in mind. Research is essential to achieving this goal. In addition to supporting near-term deployment and testing of new technologies, it is important to invest in long-term research that looks beyond the horizon of today's capabilities. When America becomes a leader in the equitable development of mobility solutions, we will yet again set the standards and norms the rest of the world will follow. So welcome to this insightful dialog on the transformations and capabilities of the 21st century mobility technologies in the home of American transportation. [The prepared statement of Chairwoman Stevens follows:] Good morning. It is truly significant to be gathered here today in Livonia, Michigan. I'm delighted to host today's hearing and extend the warmest welcome and thank you to my esteemed colleagues, Congressman Bill Foster of Illinois and Congressman Michael Cloud of Texas.We thank our Chairwoman Eddie Bernice Johnson and Ranking Member Jim Baird who could not join us for the hearing but are supportive partners of this effort.We also recognize the recently departed Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland. Mr. Cummings was a known and calming presence in the halls of Congress. Reflecting on his legacy and his wishes for our Congress, Elijah would be doing exactly what we are doing here today - figuring out ways to advance his country and help his district. He had a specific emphasis on our future, incredible talents, and voice that spoke truth. As his body lay in state yesterday in the Capitol, my colleagues and I said goodbye to a man who worked up until his last living moments on this earth. May we all be so lucky to witness such service to others and love of the country we call home. We are here today to examine the use of smart technology to improve the ability of small cities and suburban communities to provide safe and efficient mobility solutions. Michigan's 11th district has been on the forefront of these innovations, playing a key role with our industry leaders and best-in-class workforce, so it's only fitting that gather here today to discuss how this technology can be made more effective through collaboration between public, private, and academic stakeholders. These are some of the questions that compel the work of Congress - how to effectively use government to yield the best results for regional economies like ours. Recent developments in connected and autonomous vehicles, combined with increasing computing power and travel data, have enabled rapid advances in regional planning and mobility. Smart mobility technologies have already begun to shape how Americans move around and live. They are being used to reduce traffic congestion and cut emissions. A 2019 study by Texas A&M University found that national gridlock costs our country $166 billion per year. The most recent highway bill, the Fixing America's Surface Transportation Act, the FAST Act, provides some funding for smart mobility, including $60 million per year for the new Advanced Transportation and Congestion Mitigation Deployment Program and support for several University Transportation Centers focused on improving the mobility of people and goods. While these investments are important, like most of our transportation and infrastructure investments, we must do much more to meet the scale of the challenge. Smart mobility technologies also have the potential to move us towards the goal of a society with zero traffic fatalities. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced this week that overall highway fatalities decreased by 2.4% in 2018, the second year of declines. Which still means that nearly 40,000 people lost their lives on our roadways. The same report showed that pedestrian fatalities increased 3.4% and bicyclists fatalities increased 6.3 %. Finally, these technologies have the potential to provide affordable and reliable transportation to basic services like healthcare and employment for those living with disabilities, older adults, and others who do not have access to individual transportation. We need to start having a broader discussion about how smart technology can be applied in all communities. What works within major city limits may not work in the suburbs or in small towns in which mobility options are limited. This will involve working with our communities including city councils, township boards, and county commissions to develop mobility solutions with the unique needs of our communities in mind. Research is essential to realizing this goal. In addition to supporting near term deployment and testing of new technologies, it is important to invest in long-term research that looks beyond the horizon of today's capabilities. When America becomes a leader in the equitable development of mobility solutions, we will yet again set the standards and norms the rest of the world will follow. Welcome to this insightful dialogue on the transformations and capabilities of 21st century mobility technologies in the home of American transportation. Chairwoman Stevens. Before I recognize Mr. Cloud for his opening statement, I would like to present for the record a robust set of letters of support from Pratt Miller, Ford Motor Company, BASF, Toyoda Gosei, Rolls-Royce, Harman International, General Motors, ZF North America, and ITS. Thank you all so much. And now the Chair recognizes Mr. Cloud for an opening statement. Mr. Cloud. Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens. I appreciate the invitation to be with you here today in Michigan's 11th District. I am excited to be here and look forward to the conversation today. Thank you, witnesses, for being here, and thank you all for caring about this issue and showing up. I'm looking forward to a very healthy conversation on an issue that's really important as we look forward. All of us on this Committee are aware of the challenges our Nation is facing with our aging infrastructure. But as we look to address these issues and support and that we take time to look ahead and dream about the future that can be to ensure that our public policy skates to where the puck is going so to speak. Fundamental research can drive innovation that yields better and safer commutes for our constituents. These technologies, like enhanced safety features in vehicles, smart infrastructure, and wireless communication between vehicles and infrastructure, have the potential to benefit folks from rural south Texas or the suburbs of Detroit. Smart mobility has the potential to increase safety and reduce congestion, and as we work, we must ensure that smart mobility technologies also advance a better quality of life for all communities. Citizens in urban, suburban, and rural communities rely on our transportation infrastructure to go to work, to attend school, to keep medical appointments, run errands, and travel to recreational activities. According to the Texas A&M Transportation Institute, the rural transit system in Texas faces increasing demand from a growing population of older and disabled residents. These men and women are impeded by long travel distances to medical care and social services. Texas Department of Transportation data shows that rural transit districts saw an increase of ridership from 2016 to 2017, providing about 5.4 million trips Statewide. Individually, communities, especially rural ones, have a limited capacity and capability to develop and to deploy mobility advanced solutions. In Texas, to assist in addressing this challenge, the Texas Department of Transportation has created the Texas Innovation Alliance. This alliance is a network of local, regional, and State agencies and research institutions that develop a portfolio of advanced mobility projects across the State of Texas, where I'm from. This alliance provides a platform for cities and regions to leverage resources and expertise to address some of the State's most pressing mobility challenges. Like the Alliance, I today, too, look forward to hearing from our witnesses about the research, development, and technology activities being conducted by research institutions and the private sector and applied at State and local governments. And as a representative of a diverse district with both large, small cities, and many rural communities, I also hope to hear from our witnesses about how your work can benefit both the metropolitan and rural areas and specifically how it can best assist these communities for planning and preparing for the future. I want to thank you all for being here today again, and thank you all for being here. We look forward to just an awesome conversation. I yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Cloud follows:] Good morning Chairwoman Stevens. I'd like to thank you for convening today's hearing and for inviting me to visit Michigan's 11th District. It's great to be here. I look forward to hearing from our witnesses this morning about how communities can, and are, using smart technologies to provide safe and efficient mobility solutions. All of us on this Committee are aware of the challenges our nation is facing with aging infrastructure. To effectively address these challenges, we must support and maintain basic research to aid and inform our state and local governments as they make transportation investments. Such fundamental research can also drive innovation that yields better and safer commutes for our constituents. These technologies, like enhanced safety features in vehicles, smart infrastructure, and wireless communication between vehicles and infrastructure, benefit folks from rural south Texas or the suburbs of Detroit. The promise of smart mobility is vast-it has the potential to increase safety and save lives, reduce congestion and pollution, and save taxpayers' money. However, we must ensure that smart mobility technologies also advance a better quality of life for all communities. Citizens in urban, suburban, and rural communities use public transit to go to work or school, keep medical appointments, shop and run errands, and travel to recreational activities. According to the Texas A&M Transportation Institute, the rural transit systems in Texas faces an increasing demand from a growing population of older and disabled residents impeded by long travel distances to medical care and social services. Texas Department of Transportation data shows that rural transit districts statewide saw an increase in ridership from 2016 to 2017, providing about 5.4 million trips. Individually, communities, especially rural ones, have limited capacity and capability to develop and deploy mobility advanced solutions. In Texas, to assist in addressing this challenge, the Texas Department of Transportation has created the "Texas Innovation Alliance." It is a network of local, region, and state agencies and research institutions that develop, launch and sustain a portfolio of advanced mobility projects across Texas. The Alliance provides a platform for cities and regions to leverage resources and expertise to address some of the state's most pressing mobility challenges. Like the Alliance, I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today about the research, development, and technology activities being conducted by federally sponsored research institutions and the private sector, and how these advances are being utilized by state and local governments. As a representative of a primarily rural district, I also hope to hear from our witnesses about how your work can be beneficial to rural areas and how we can best assist these communities for planning and preparing for the future. I would like to thank all our witnesses for coming today and sharing your thoughts on the future of smart mobility. Thank you and I yield back the balance of my time. Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you. Well, if there are Members who wish to submit additional opening statements, your statements will be added to the record at this point. [The prepared statement of Chairwoman Johnson follows:] I want to thank Chairwoman Stevens for organizing this important hearing. As a longtime Member of both the Science, Space, and Technology Committee and the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, I have great interest in how technologies are being developed and deployed to improve mobility, mitigate congestion, and reduce the environmental impact of transportation. I am from one of the nation's big cities, Dallas, that has been investing heavily in both public transit and so-called micro-transit options such as scooters and bike shares. Texas is known for our love of big cars and we are continuing to expand our roadways to accommodate increasing traffic. However, we also recognize that we must invest in more comprehensive and forwardlooking mobility solutions. According to U.S. Census Bureau data, the Dallas-Fort Worth metro area gained more new residents in 2018 than any other metro area. As economic opportunities continue to expand in Texas, this trend will likely continue. We must find new and innovative ways to move all of our city's residents around safely, efficiently, and quickly, taking into account the unique needs of different segments of our population. Moving goods around efficiently will also be important to maintaining our economic growth. As cities like Dallas continue to experiment with new mobility solutions, we must build partnerships with other cities to share data and best practices. We must also look to our neighbors in less dense communities outside of our city limits to ensure connectivity and flow of people and goods between the cities and suburbs, and to help share lessons that may be applied across diverse communities. The suburbs will face their own unique challenges. Most suburban communities have limited or no public transit options. In many suburban communities, the population is aging, and increasingly, those individuals want to age in place. We must develop and implement mobility solutions that ensure that people who can no longer drive themselves have safe and easy transportation to supermarkets, medical appointments, and other essential services. In many cases, these solutions will involve public-private partnerships, including with ride hail companies. However, we must proceed with caution. Younger people may be perfectly comfortable using a smart phone to order a ride and jump in a car with a stranger behind the wheels. Older people may be less comfortable with both the technology and the idea of getting in an unfamiliar vehicle. Understanding these attitudes and receiving community input into the design of new mobility solutions will be essential. Today's hearing brings together an important and diverse set of perspectives from the public sector, the private sector, and the research community. This is an important discussion and will not be the only hearing this Committee will hold on the future of smart cities and communities. I thank the panel for contributing their time and expertise to our Committee. Chairwoman Stevens. And at this time, I'd also like to introduce and recognize our incredible collection of witnesses who have joined us here today. Our first witness is the Honorable David Coulter. Mr. Coulter currently serves as Oakland County's third County Executive. He previously represented southeastern Oakland County on the Board of Commissioners from 2002 to 2010. During the time on the board, he was a member of the Finance Committee, which oversaw Oakland County's balanced 3-year budget, and he also recently served as the Mayor of Ferndale. Mr. Coulter earned a bachelor's degree from Michigan State University and an executive education certificate from the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. Our next witness is Mr. Mark Dowd. Mr. Dowd is the Founder and Executive Director of Smart Cities Lab, a nonprofit that provides a venue for cities to share what works and partner with the innovation community to forge new solutions. He is also a visiting scholar at the University of California Berkeley. He previously served in several roles in the Obama Administration, including Senior Advisor in the White House Office of Management and Budget, Senior Advisor in the White House Council of Environmental Quality, and a member of President Obama's Hurricane Sandy Task Force as a senior member and also, let us not forget, as a senior member of the President's Auto Task Force. Mr. Dowd holds degrees from Rutgers College and Seton Hall University School of Law. After Mr. Dowd is Dr. Raj Rajkumar. Dr. Rajkumar is the Director of the Metro21 Smart Cities Institute, the T-SET National USDOT (United States Department of Transportation) University Transportation Center for Safety, and Mobility21, a USDOT National University Transportation Center for Mobility. He is also the George Westinghouse Professor at Carnegie Mellon University's (CMU's) Department of Electrical and Computing Engineering. Dr. Rajkumar's work is primarily in cyber-physical systems such as autonomous driving and vehicle networks. His research interests include operating systems, wired/wireless networking protocols, model-based design tools, and power management. Dr. Rajkumar received his Ph.D. from Carnegie Mellon University. Our next witness is Dr. Tierra Bills. Dr. Bills is an Assistant Professor in the Civil and Environmental Engineering Department at Wayne State University. Much of her research focuses on investigating the social impacts of transportation projects. She develops activity-based travel demand models to investigate individual and household-level transportation equity effects for the purpose of designing transportation systems that will provide more equitable returns to society. Dr. Bills holds a bachelor's degree in civil engineering technology from Florida A&M University and a master's and Ph.D. in civil and environmental engineering from the University of California Berkeley, although she is a hometown gal. Our final witness is Mr. Scott Averitt. Mr. Averitt works in the Corporate Government Affairs Group for Bosch located here in southeastern Michigan, where he serves as a technical expert and manager focused on advanced R&D (research and development) projects, public-private partnerships, and government-funded projects. He collaborates across all four of Bosch's business sectors, including mobility solutions, industrial technology, consumer goods, and energy and building technology. Mr. Averitt holds a degree in electrical engineering from Lawrence Technological University right here in Southfield. As our witnesses should know, you will each have 5 minutes for your spoken testimony. Your written testimony will be included in the record for this hearing. When you have completed your spoken testimony, we will begin with questions, and each Member will have 5 minutes to question the panel. And it should also be recognized that we have a robust audience in attendance here today representing the stakeholders in southeastern Michigan who are relying on these mobility solutions, working on these mobility solutions, and proliferating new technologies so that regions like ours will lead the world. We will start with Mr. Coulter for a 5-minute testimony. Mr. Coulter? TESTIMONY OF THE HON. DAVID COULTER, OAKLAND COUNTY EXECUTIVE, OAKLAND COUNTY, MICHIGAN Mr. Coulter. Thank you, and good morning to everyone and especially esteemed Members of the Subcommittee on Research and Technology. I'm honored to be here and grateful to Congresswoman Stevens and her colleagues for the invitation to testify on smart mobility. As the Congresswoman said, I'm Dave Coulter. I'm the County Executive for Oakland County, Michigan, which is the home of Fiat Chrysler headquarters and Engineering Center, General Motors' Proving Ground, Nissan Research and Development Center, and hundreds of suppliers and other companies working on the development of smart mobility technologies. Oakland County is also home to 1.25 million residents and 1.14 million registered vehicles. That's about 912 cars for every 1,000 residents, which far exceeds the national average. We like our cars. The Road Commission for Oakland County, which is a separate entity from the county, maintains the largest county road system in Michigan. Now, in 1967 Oakland County had 6.8 deaths for every 100 million vehicle miles of travel. Fifty years later in 2017 that number was reduced to 0.53 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. It's a huge improvement over 5 decades, but we still have a way to go to prevent fatal and injury traffic crashes, the barriers to reduce if not outright eliminate traffic fatalities. Oakland County believes the solution lies in public-private partnerships that will enable cars to utilize smart mobility technology to talk to each other and the road infrastructure around them. Today, I'd like to give you just a brief snapshot of how Oakland County is partnering with other governments, nonprofits, and private industry to advance smart mobility development. Our biggest project to date involves P3 Mobility, a Toronto, Ontario-based company, which was selected by Oakland County to develop a business plan for a connected vehicle infrastructure using smart mobility technology. The contract between Oakland County and P3 Mobility was signed on January 23 of this year. Our partnership with them is launching a pilot to use roadside units placed at intersections to test both smart mobility technology and multiple revenue-generating opportunities. Advanced safety technologies provide consumers with improved vehicle innovations that save lives. We believe these new technologies can eliminate 94 percent of fatal crashes involving human error. If a successful business model can be developed, this will guide Oakland County in generating revenue to offset the cost of the deployment of connected vehicle infrastructure to Oakland County's 1,600 signalized intersections and create a safer road system. This pilot program has explored funding options with traditional infrastructure financing entities but has experienced resistance. We believe that resistance will continue until a State or Federal vehicle safety mandate is established and/or the industry further advances smart mobility technology to make it more cost-effective. There are other smart mobility projects occurring around Oakland County. The Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) is utilizing its modernization of I-75 in Oakland County from 8 mile to M-59 to install smart mobility technology infrastructure so Congress can receive information about road conditions on the freeway, on weather and road conditions, backups, curve warnings ahead, and that sort of thing. It's worth noting that the auto companies will use this stretch of I-75 as a testbed for smart mobility technology. Another MDOT smart mobility project that runs through Oakland County worthy of mention is roadside units, which will be placed up along Woodward Avenue from downtown Detroit to Pontiac. These roadside units will make drivers aware of real- time traffic information, will perform greenlight prioritization to move traffic through an intersection, and offer a safety message network which will alert drivers to traffic threats such as vehicles approaching an intersection at a high rate of speed. Related smart mobility infrastructure projects by MDOT are also either underway or will be in the near future on major roads in Oakland County like Telegraph and M-59, I-696, and I- 96, among others. So, as you can see, smart mobility is of immeasurable value to Oakland County and its businesses and residents because it will improve traffic safety and quality of life and attract jobs by driving business development. Oakland County is proud to be on the leading edge of this development of smart technology and will continue to work with our public, private, and nonprofit partners to move smart mobility solutions forward. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Coulter follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you, Mr. Coulter. Mr. Dowd, you now have 5 minutes. TESTIMONY OF MR. MARK DOWD, DIRECTOR, SMART CITIES LAB Mr. Dowd. Thank you. Good morning, Chairwoman Stevens, Congressman Cloud, and Congressman Foster. My testimony will focus on how small towns and suburban communities can begin the journey of providing safe and efficient smart mobility solutions. A little bit about the lab, Smart Cities Lab, it grew out of the work I did in the prior Administration. We set up the lab as a city-facing organization focusing on helping communities, cities, and regions to decipher and engage in innovative mobility solutions. The lab is comprised of 12 cities that have a wide range of population from under 100,000 people to over 4 million, different growth patterns from dense to suburban, and diverse political compositions. Our mission is to find ways for cities and communities to collaborate with each other and to share what works and, more importantly, what doesn't work in the area of smart mobility and equity. It is true that smaller communities and cities often lack the expertise and capacity to engage in this space, but I believe it is only through collaboration with similarly situated communities that you'll be able to find the ability to engage in smart mobility. I wanted to provide some of the best practices that we've found over the past 4 years in working with communities, and I think there are nine of them. I'll move through them quickly. First is resist the pull of the shiny technology-driven solution. It's often very hard for communities not to go for the thing that looks good instead of going for the thing that they need. Second and probably most important best practice is understanding and defining your community's needs and challenges as the first thing you do. It is often to rush toward the solution rather than focus on what it is--the problem, and then use the technology and innovation to try to solve that problem. Collaborating and partnering with other local and regional universities: The ability to work with universities expands the capacities of local communities to be able to do and see much more of the opportunity that's out there. Conduct deep community engagement. Understanding what your community needs rather than guessing what your community needs is a critical tool in being able to deploy smart mobility. Developing regional and Statewide communities of practice: I think that this is an important piece, and I wanted to spend 2 seconds on this because Congressman Cloud mentioned the Texas Innovation Alliance. The lab works directly with the Texas Innovation Alliance to develop--we've developed four communities of practice. Those four communities of practice, we drive--the capacity piece I was talking about that many of the communities in Texas and many of the cities and communities that I work with don't have the ability to do the things that they need to do. They don't have the data scientists. They don't have experts like Raj. They don't have them at their fingertips. But cities like Pittsburgh work directly with CMU to work to try to get that done and then share that knowledge with the other cities and the communities of practice. Those communities of practice focus on four areas. The four areas that we focus on are: Seamless mobility, the ability to move seamlessly from one place to the other without having to get necessarily in your car. The second piece is real-time data. It's often very difficult for communities to both develop and then also ingest all that data so they work on that piece. Equity and access, it is often very difficult for people who are transit-dependent to be able to get to the places where they need to get to and being able to get people to work, and so we work on equity and access in that space. And last is energy and sustainability in trying to deal with the fact that transportation is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in our country. The sixth best practice is breaking down the silo barriers that I'm sure that even the County Executive would agree that even within your community that many people work in a vertical way rather than a cross-functional way, and once you start working cross-functionally, you can actually start breaking down some of those barriers. Not all private sector companies make good partners. That's a very important piece to understand. Obviously Bosch I believe is one of those companies that is a good partner. I know that our experience in the lab that General Motors has been an excellent partner. And then there are other companies who are not very good partners. And it's very important for communities to understand the difference between those two things. And again, to the extent that the company is out there co-creating a solution with you as opposed to selling you something, that's the better road to go. Preparing your workforce for an automated future, that's a really important piece that it's hard to do, and the capacity within southeast Michigan to be able to prepare your community for this with the companies that you have here would rely on their expertise and their ability to be able to help you make that transition. Last one is making transportation affordable. It is really, really hard right now for communities that are car-dependent for the people who don't have cars, for the people that don't necessarily have access to those and they have to take an Uber or Lyft, it's $15, $20. It cost me $27 to get here, so affordable transportation in rural communities and in suburban situations is really important. Thank you very much. I appreciate the time. [The prepared statement of Mr. Dowd follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Dr. Rajkumar, you now have 5 minutes. TESTIMONY OF DR. RAJ RAJKUMAR, DIRECTOR, MOBILITY21, AND GEORGE WESTINGHOUSE PROFESSOR OF ELECTRICAL AND COMPUTER ENGINEERING, CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY Dr. Rajkumar. Good morning, Chairwoman Stevens, Congressman Foster, and Congressman Cloud. Thank you for this opportunity for me to testify before this important hearing today. I am Raj Rajkumar from Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I want to thank this Committee for its interest in smart cities technology. My academic career and success as an entrepreneur for AV (autonomous vehicle) technologies have benefited directly from funding from the Federal agencies whose missions have been shaped by this Committee. These agencies and you have helped make possible a revolution in innovation that has helped to sustain U.S. economic leadership. I would like to acknowledge in particular Mark Dowd's leadership during the previous Administration in this regard. My testimony today will highlight three key strategic elements that are vital to realizing a revolution in smart cities and mobility. One, continued U.S. commitment to advancing the basic sciences that underpin smart city, smart region innovation; two, a focus on integrating research and innovation with deployment at the regional level; and three, an emphasis on smart city strategies to create a supportive policy environment that blends workforce and rural development initiatives with innovation. Smart city applications depend upon the integration of technologies that span the domain of cyber-physical systems. Fundamental research on cyber-physical systems, computer networking, AI and machine learning, robotics, human-machine teaming, cybersecurity, and privacy at NSF (National Science Foundation), DOT (Department of Transportation), DOE (Department of Energy), DOD (Department of Defense), NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration), and NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) will continue to be vital to advancing these capabilities. This continued support of basic research should also be aligned with cross-disciplinary collaboration. Smart city innovations involve the science of systems integration. A smart city research initiative could include the development of a roadmap for filling gaps in the science of systems integration and interagency coordination. My second key point is that fundamental research in enabling technologies needs to be effectively combined with application initiatives. At CMU, we refer to this model as research development and deployment, RD&D. We engage with local governments to identify mission targets, develop projects, and pilot solutions that can be scaled once proven successful. For example, an initiative to deploy AI-enabled traffic signals to improve traffic flow and lower emissions started with nine intersections and is now being deployed in cities across the Nation. Our follow-on project enables persons with disabilities to use smartphones to communicate with traffic signals. The system can recognize their presence and accommodate their small movements through the intersection, giving them confidence that they will have the time to cross safely. The RD&D model also accelerates the technology transfer process. Carnegie Mellon started several startup companies emerging from our projects, which are disseminating innovation to cities across the Nation and beyond. The RD&D model also lends itself to creating networks of communities to share the best practices. The MetroLab Network established as a 501(c)(3) organization by CMU links together a virtual community of government-industry partnerships across the U.S. engaging more than 40 cities, 60 universities, and over 100 projects. Another model of collaboration produced by Carnegie Mellon is the Smart Belt Coalition, an effort across Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania to establish a dynamic and proactive collaboration that brings together universities, transportation authorities, and industry to foster a dialog and undertake specific projects that focus on informing the regulatory environment for connected and automated vehicles. Therefore, new funding that supports smart city initiatives should combine basic research with support for deployment initiatives such as grand challenges in specific funding areas. My third key point is that smart city research initiatives should also focus on the effective policy building blocks to ensure broad adoption. One essential area is the critical need to build the workforce to support smart city development. This must include both a focus on specific technical degrees and focus on fostering community capacity building. Funding research programs that incorporate educational components can have a catalytic impact on building the technical and community-based talent pipeline that smart city innovations depend on. The deployment of smart city innovation also creates a very natural pathway to engage communities and neighborhoods in STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) education. Another major policy challenge that's impacted by the design of Federal science policy relates to the critical challenge of engaging rural and suburban communities in smart city innovations. For example, in the earliest phases of our AI traffic signal project, a suburban community was selected for a parallel deployment. Two years ago, Mobility21 launched a smart city challenge competition targeted to draw in participation from outlying suburban and rural communities while the competition fostered capacity-building collaboration between the university and communities across four neighboring counties. Recently, with support from the DOE, Carnegie Mellon has launched an initiative to develop mobility solutions that address problems ranging from job and healthcare access to food insecurity in Greene County, a rural county of Pennsylvania with a high poverty rate and an elderly population. The targeted outcome is the piloting of a Rural County Mobility Platform that can be replicated in other counties. Federal research agencies can enhance the growth of such collaborations in rural areas by incorporating grand challenges into Federal smart city research initiatives, as well as supporting targeted education and outreach programs that incentivize urban, suburban, and rural collaborations. These efforts will be enhanced by national networking efforts that foster best practice learning, tech transfer, and innovation across communities. In summary, the work of this Committee and the programs it has authorized have led to a technology revolution in computing, communications, autonomy, and artificial intelligence. The application of these breakthroughs to cyber- physical systems creates the potential to fundamentally improve the economic, social, and environmental fabric of our communities. By focusing on a three-pronged effort to: A, increase core investments in foundational disciplines; B, foster greater interagency collaboration to support research, development, and deployment; and C, support agency strategies to incorporate workforce development and bring urban, suburban, and rural communities to collaborate, I believe this Committee and the Congress can have a dramatic positive impact on scaling the deployment of smart city innovations across America. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Dr. Rajkumar follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Fabulous, thank you. Dr. Bills, I'm going to recognize you for 5 minutes of testimony. TESTIMONY OF DR. TIERRA BILLS, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR, CIVIL AND ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING, COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING, WAYNE STATE UNIVERSITY Dr. Bills. Thank you, Chairwoman Stevens and Members of the Committee, for inviting me here to testify today. As mentioned earlier, I'm an Assistant Professor in civil and environmental engineering at Wayne State University, and it is my pleasure to share about my current research on smarter transportation technologies and their usefulness for addressing transportation inequity. Much of my current research focuses on investigating the social impacts of transportation projects. My latest project, for which I'm a co-investigator, is funded by the National Science Foundation, and it aims to improve the ability to represent the distinct travel needs of transport-disadvantaged communities. And this is using mixed modes of sampling and data collection. My objective is not only to provide a clear picture of how transportation systems affect society but to support a design of more sustainable transportation interventions that meet the needs of all segments of society. As we know, smarter transportation technologies, which range from GPS data generation to connected autonomous vehicle technology, are transforming our transportation landscape as we know it today. These technologies hold the promise of significantly reducing traffic incidents and traffic delay and enabling new and more far-reaching transportation services in terms of ridesharing, shared ridership, and micro-transit. However, few research efforts and industry efforts have focused on potential benefits and impacts to transportation- disadvantaged communities, and these are low-income, minority, and transit-dependent travelers. And without efforts to investigate how well smart transportation solutions and connected autonomous vehicle technologies can serve as solutions for addressing the broadest set of needs for society, we risk excluding those with the greatest transportation needs from the vast benefits of smarter transportation technologies and potentially reinforcing patterns of decline and underemployment for struggling cities across the United States. The recent project, the NSF project, is titled ``Data- Informed Scenario Planning for Mobility Decision-Making in Resource-Constrained Communities.'' This is a 4-year research effort, and the project is being undertaken by a partnership of faculty researchers and students and stakeholders across the University of Michigan, Georgia Tech, Wayne State University, and Howard University. This project is motivated by the need to understand how smart mobility solutions can be leveraged to empower community- based decisionmaking around solutions for these communities. The emphasis here is on low-income, resource-constrained communities in particular because of the promise of smart mobility that can lead to significant gains in quality of service delivery, even under resource constraints. The project is designed to impart the community with the capacity to define and deploy mobility solutions that support greater accessibility to employment opportunities, education, and health care. There are four clear objectives of this project. First is to define a cost-effective data-collection strategy that assesses the performance of the transit system in Benton Harbor, which is where this research is based; track mobility patterns of residents; and acquire resident perceptions of their mobility. Second is to use that data to collect and calibrate analytical models and predict resident demand for mobility services. Third is to implement a community-based decisionmaking framework based on scenario planning methods and smart mobility technologies, data visualization, predictive analytics used in the process of predicting these outcomes. And finally, to implement a consensus mobility solution and assess the impact. My primary role in this effort is to design and estimate components of what is called a travel demand model, and the key here is that individual data collected in order to estimate these models represent the travel behaviors of various demographics and segments in the community, and therefore, the ability to accurately predict travel choices and outcomes for all population segments is tied to how well these segments are represented in the travel data set and for model estimation. So a major contribution of this effort is to define the extent to which new data collection methods and novel community engagement approaches can improve representation of these target groups in our travel demand models. And this is essentially a pressing issue with regard to under-resourced communities like Benton Harbor. So far to date we are 1 year into our project, and our survey data collection approach, which is a distinguishing factor of our study and travel model development, employs a mixture of traditional and electronic survey modes in order to achieve a higher representation of transport-disadvantaged communities. Prior work that we've done validates the soundness of this approach. And the focal point of this data collection approach is a series of 2-hour survey workshops that provide a personal point of contact for survey respondents. In these workshops research staff, trained facilitators, are made available to assist the participants in completing the activity survey, as well as registering for activity survey data collection using GPS. To date, we've accomplished a total of four of these data- collection workshops, and this resulted in a total of 140 survey respondents. And the most important takeaway here is that there are at least 40 percent of our respondents would not have been able to participate in these surveys had we not offered and emphasized a mixture of data collection efforts. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Dr. Bills follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Great, thank you. Mr. Averitt, we'll recognize you for 5 minutes of testimony. TESTIMONY OF MR. SCOTT AVERITT, TECHNICAL EXPERT AND MANAGER OF PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, ROBERT BOSCH LLC Mr. Averitt. Good morning, Chairwoman Stevens and Congressman Cloud and Congressman Foster. Thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today. As Chairwoman Stevens introduced me, my name is Scott Averitt. I work for Bosch here in Farmington Hills as a technical expert and manager of public-private partnerships. Bosch is a global company with roughly 410,000 employees spread across more than 60 countries around the world. We first established a presence in the U.S. in 1906 and currently employ nearly 35,000 associates in more than 100 locations in North America. We have technologies across all four different business sectors that are applicable toward smart mobility and smart communities. Our vision for a smart city is to create an interconnected ecosystem that works to optimize performance, increase efficiency, and enhance quality of life for all. In order for smart community solutions to be successful, they must be borne out of people's experiences and needs. Bosch draws upon a user experience-driven process to develop our products and services. One of the fundamental truths that defines a thriving community is the accessibility to safe and efficient mobility. For example, our recent grant submission to the U.S. Department of Transportation, in partnership with the Michigan Department of Transportation, aims to achieve this. Through the deployment of Bosch's video-as-a-sensor solution, our cameras will increase pedestrian and vehicle safety through detection, prioritization, and alerts of pedestrians and cyclists. Additional technologies from our partners will help to reduce traffic incidents and congestions through the use of vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to- infrastructure communications. The benefits include reduced emergency vehicle response times and public transportation on- time performance. Additionally, Bosch cameras will be used to identify wrong- way drivers. The system will use communications and digital signage to send out alerts to the driver and to nearby travelers to mitigate risk and save lives. The intelligent video analytics embedded in our cameras can also help cities with tasks such as curbside management, delivery zone violations and availability, parking analytics, and double parking detection. Bosch has partnered with the Ohio Department of Transportation regarding deployment and testing of technologies along the U.S. 33 Smart Mobility Corridor. Video analytics are being used to generate warnings for cross-traffic, curve speed, exit ramp queue, red light violation, work zones, along with detection and notifications for pedestrians and wrong-way drivers. These technologies are applicable and scalable from big cities to small cities to rural communities. As part of a recent USDOT grant awarded through the Ohio Department of Transportation, Bosch is the technology provider on a project that will test and deploy driver assistance systems in the form of truck platooning. The technologies to be deployed are expected to help cities, suburban areas, and rural communities through improved road safety, decreased fuel consumption, and improved freight logistics efficiency. Freight shipping is essential to the success of many industries. Therefore, it is critical that we continue to innovate and transform this industry in a sustainable way. Personal mobility solutions should be scalable and accessible to all. Bosch's eBike system aims to extend cycling accessibility to a wider range of commuters. Bosch's pedal assist motor drive engages only when pedaling. This enables precise assisted speeds of up to 28 miles per hour with hands- free, no-throttle operation. eBikes essentially flatten hills, shorten distances, and provide a viable option to ride for those who otherwise could not. The Bosch 'n Blue Program has been successfully implemented across the country. This program provides specially outfitted eBikes to police departments as a trial period to augment their mobility fleets. Police departments have praised advantages of increased range, higher speeds, and incredible flexibility. eBikes are a great way for officers to engage with the community while still quickly and safely getting to where they are needed. Vehicle parking continues to be a challenge for drivers and communities alike. Bosch's smart parking solution detects parking availability for garages, lots, and on street. The camera solution performs dual functionality by providing security video and parking spot detection. Parking management software and dashboards make it easy to share parking availability via signage and customer-specific apps to the community. More efficient parking systems help to reduce vehicle traffic from circling the block looking for a spot. It improves driver experience leading to greater return customers and improved parking spot utilization rates. Our cameras use onboard intelligent video analytics to generate a separate data stream that provides information about object identification, classification, and path of motion. This method preserves privacy by not sending real live video and also reducing the backend communication bandwidth requirements. Thank you for your time today, and I---- Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you. Mr. Averitt [continuing]. Am looking forward to answering questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Averitt follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairwoman Stevens. Excellent. Well, at this point we're going to begin our first round of questions from the Members of Congress here today. And the Chair is going to recognize herself for 5 minutes. And thank you for this round of testimony. This is nuanced and technical, and we often say that the devil's in the details. Well, my takeaway is the devil's in the data and how we're recognizing working with the data and capturing it. And we certainly have infinite opportunity to capture data this day and age, the rate at which we are collecting, and certainly appreciate the nod to the role that this Committee plays in catalyzing and transforming technology opportunities, mobility solutions, the ``if not but for'' principle of where the Federal Government comes in as an effective partner. We learned from the FAST Act, the most recent surface transportation law that Congress authorized funding for a number of programs focuses on improving mobility, but yet there's still some aching for R&D dollars. And I'm grateful to each one of you if you don't mind to just chime in on your view of the Federal role in supporting research and development in the deployment of smart mobility technologies across this country, particularly including small cities and communities. And then also let's take it down just one more notch and look at how the Federal Government balances long-term research needs with short-term deployment and testing activities. And, Mr. Coulter, if you don't mind, I'd love to start with you. Mr. Coulter. Yes. So thank you. So, as I mentioned, in our pilot program, the traditional funding options are not sufficient to allow us to pursue it, and so, as I mentioned, either through grants and R&D at the Federal level or stricter vehicle safety mandates or whatever it takes to help to make the technology more cost-effective because the technology is there, but the cost is still a barrier. And so if we can use R&D for that or those mandates, that would be very helpful. Chairwoman Stevens. Unlocking barriers indeed. Mr. Coulter. Indeed. Chairwoman Stevens. Mr. Dowd, I know you have some firsthand experience with---- Mr. Dowd. I do have---- Chairwoman Stevens [continuing]. Federal R&D dollars---- Mr. Dowd. I have strong views in this space. The current rate in which communities and universities are being funded right now on mobility is not good. There was a $60 million ADS (automated driving system) grant that was put out by USDOT. It was way short in terms of the amount of money. In Texas there were two excellent applications that were submitted, no funding for Texas at all. Virginia, you got two--it's unfortunate with automation as being the forefront of where we're going that we don't have enough money in the system. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. Yes. Mr. Dowd. The National Science Foundation on the other hand has been great in terms of--they have the smart and connected communities. They have a $43 million grant program with us that's out right now to help communities and universities work together to try to solve mobility solutions. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. And we here in Michigan recognize how much we are doing with so little, and we're doing it almost at the expense of not having---- Mr. Dowd. I'd like to point out, though, Detroit did win an ADS grant this year. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. We'll take all the grants we can get. Go ahead, Dr. Rajkumar. Dr. Rajkumar. Sure. Just part of that, the smart mobility market, if you will, is supposed to become a multitrillion dollar market in the future per year. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. Dr. Rajkumar With a ``T'', right? Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. Dr. Rajkumar. And part of that is actually global competition with China in particular emerging as a very competitive rival. So I think in the U.S. we should continue to be investing substantial dollars above the budgets that we currently have to enable our leadership, which will also not just have a technological implication but an economic implication down the road. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. Dr. Bills. One thing I'll say is that transportation is one of those types of services that really requires the Federal Government to lead. A lot of large-scale implementations just won't happen without the leadership and funding and support from the Federal Government. And so I think that one important thing is to really set priorities for incorporating more smart mobility and making sure that we're doing that in such a way that the most disadvantaged communities are not left behind. So the extent that the Federal Government can serve as a catalyst for bringing together efforts from research, from industry, and from the public sector and mandating that there is clear consideration for the broadest set of transportation needs, I think that that's something that's very important for the Federal Government to lead in. Chairwoman Stevens. The deployment, yes. And our private sector partner, please tell us. Mr. Averitt. So, yes, I mean, it's actually very critical in that respect from a funding perspective. It provides an opportunity that otherwise wouldn't exist with industry. For example, we recently partnered for an ATCMTD (Advanced Transportation and Congestion Management Technologies Deployment) grant, which is the short name of what you pronounced earlier, for going along the Woodward corridor to put in pedestrian detection and those types of systems. And those technologies exist, right, but getting them deployed out into the community and seeing how well they really work and how do they really impact the community around them, you know, it allowed us for that--we partnered with Wayne State to be able to--after the point go and take a look and see how well did it really work, to reach out to the community and see was it effective, how was it perceived, right? So beyond just deploying it, that's one thing. You actually got to make sure that it's doing what it's supposed to do, and that's where the grants really come into play in that respect. Chairwoman Stevens. Well, and with the remainder of my time, the elephant in the room also appears to be productivity. You know, productivity is either going to decline or increase, and inequality might rise. These technologies not only have the ability to save lives and grow our regional economy, they have the ability to create jobs. And I was just wondering if you can touch base a little bit on the economic development opportunity of smart mobility strategies. Dr. Rajkumar, go ahead. Dr. Rajkumar. The average American commutes for about 51 minutes per day to and from work, right? And most vehicles have a single passenger in them who's driving. If the vehicle can drive itself, a significant portion of those 51 minutes can be turned into productive work, so it can have a qualitative impact on productivity. But in regard to transportation jobs, I think there's a lot of fear about driving jobs going away. Luckily, full automation is many years away, but it will happen at some point in time. If we worry about loss of jobs and not using the technology, countries like China will take on the leadership and the jobs will go away anyway, and we will have lost the technology leadership as well, right? What we need--you mentioned the technology, sustained and extended leadership and actually putting programs in place to basically retrain workers to help them garner even higher-paying jobs fixing these higher tech systems and maintaining those systems. Chairwoman Stevens. Mr. Dowd, did you want to chime in? Mr. Dowd. Sure. Again, getting back to the ability for the Federal Government to provide that seed money to create jobs is a critical part, particularly in transportation. We have such an impressive transportation sector, but we aren't always on the forefront of developing what those new technologies are. If we had more grant money along that way, I think that we could create jobs around these spaces. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. Well, it's certainly something we here in Michigan know very well. And one of the joys of my job is boasting about my region and the rate at which we are proliferating technologies and innovations that scale and the jobs that depend on it, but they need to be deployed. And it can't just be, to Dr. Bills' point, for one community over another. It needs to be equitable, so with that, I'm going to yield back the remainder of my time and recognize my colleague from Texas, Mr. Cloud, for 5 minutes of questioning. Mr. Cloud. Well, thank you Chairwoman Stevens. Again, it's really great to be here. I am from the Gulf Coast of Texas. My district includes Corpus Christi. I live in the town of Victoria that's a little smaller than this, and then the rest of it's agriculture. And so it's a pretty interesting and diverse district. I have to say driving in here it was nice to see colored leaves on the trees, so I appreciate the Midwest in the fall. It's a nice treat. We don't get that very often in south Texas, we have about 2 weeks of winter. Mr. Foster. Will the gentleman yield? Do you have trees at all in southeast---- Mr. Cloud. We do have trees. They go from green to no leaves in 2 weeks and then start over. But yes, it's really good to be here. I appreciate it. Dr. Rajkumar, I want to start with you. I understand that a team from Metro21 worked with the Department of Energy to examine how communities in southwestern Pennsylvania can utilize these modern innovations in transportation to improve rural mobility. That's extremely important where I come from. Could you talk a little bit about your work and how the lessons learned from that research could be used in developing modern rural mobility plans across the country? Dr. Rajkumar. Very early in that particular process, several factoids. Greene County that we are working with is probably the poorest county in Pennsylvania, part of the tri- State region. Luckily, they actually have a home university called Waynesburg University, which is located there, as being a huge educational force if you will for the local population so I guess, unfortunately, it's very rural, economically not doing well, but we actually have this brain fuel right at the center. So we are working very closely with the President of Waynesburg University to brainstorm and discuss educational programs, number one; number two, try to define innovation projects if you will that they can start engaging the community in. So we're looking at multiple aspects if you will, looking at how we can bring to bear public transit aspects, subsidize ridesharing, micro-transit, looking at AV shuttles if you will, looking at whether we can bring in electrification of vehicles into the picture and so on. So all of this is ongoing. So forming relationships between faculty of both universities, engage with communities in both locations and see what technologies can be applied. We think incentives would make a big difference and policies would make a difference. Mr. Cloud. OK. Anyone else have examples of projects that are being implemented in rural communities specifically or some successes maybe that we're making, where we are in advancing projects in---- Dr. Rajkumar. It is a challenge in the following sense. I like to draw the analogy with going back to the 1930s when electrification of rural communities was happening. The private energy companies were not interested in basically deploying electrification because the population was sparse and the expenses were heavy. Mr. Cloud. Right. Dr. Rajkumar. So basically we had to revisit some of the experiences of the past and try to repeat it for technology and mobility as well. Mr. Cloud. OK. Our district, too, is an export district, so we have energy assets, and then we have farming communities. Everyone's trying to get their products, so freight becomes a big deal. Could you speak to any developments that are happening along the lines of freight transportation, what can we do to help promote the development of these technologies as it regards to trade in---- Dr. Rajkumar. So automation of freight vehicles of course would be a big application that can drive this forward. Driving on highways actually turns out to be a very monotonous job if you will, and then the truck drivers basically have to travel very far from their homes for long distances, and they are limited to driving 11 hours a day. In terms of the vehicle that can drive itself, it can drive 23 hours a day, right, and be safer as well. And that in turn can actually be coupled with humans actually driving in urban contexts and dense contexts and so on, so I think that technology frontier I think needs further investments. Mr. Cloud. Anyone else want---- Mr. Dowd. So I would---- Mr. Cloud. Yes. Mr. Dowd [continuing]. Just like to echo the fact that automation--often we talk about moving people, but because of the way that it's not developing as quick as everybody thought it would be, but in terms of moving goods, it is actually much more capable because there's less opportunity for people to get hurt. So that's a space where additional investment would be very helpful. Mr. Averitt. There's also the possibility with automation to shift driving of freight to off-hours so that you're not, you know, in the middle of traffic jams and things of that nature, so you can actually better manage your infrastructure and you're not jamming it up with a bunch of freight in the middle of the day. Those are---- Mr. Cloud. That's a good point. Any other thoughts? Mr. Averitt. The other thing--we have this project that we've got with Ohio Department of Transportation, which I mentioned in my testimony that's looking at truck platooning. And it's mostly looking at like driver-assistance features, right? Again, how do you make it easier for those 11 hours a day so that the truck driver is not, you know, having issues with that or they've got a little bit of an easier job. That's one of the things. The other thing is like I mentioned about doing 24 hours and stuff of that nature where you can actually still have a driver in the truck, but they're following behind other ones so that when they get off the freeway, they can manage from that location. So there's lots of different things you can do in automation with trucking to really get you to those points. Dr. Rajkumar. Technology could also help in pooling to get the demand from multiple smaller producers if you will, that if they're able to get together to a virtual market if you will, they can pool their demand and basically one freight vehicle can actually supplement all those demands, so it's basically about pooling of your shipping requirements. Mr. Cloud. Right. Right. Mr. Dowd. I also would like to point out that in rural communities there is a spatial mismatch oftentimes between where people live and where things are, right? And so drone delivery is currently not--you can't realize it the way it should be realized right now because of FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) regulations, but the ability to get medication to people in rural places could--be able to get them even doctor's care through the doctor--basically bringing the camera to the people and having them have--so there are many opportunities to be able to explore some of those opportunities that hasn't been fully realized yet. Mr. Cloud. Yes, thank you. I have a lot more, but my---- Chairwoman Stevens. Yes, excellent. Mr. Cloud [continuing]. Time's up, so---- Chairwoman Stevens. Excellent. But the Chair will now recognize Mr. Foster for 5 minutes of questions. Mr. Foster. Thank you, Chairwoman. And I want to thank you for having this hearing. You know, I'm Congressman Bill Foster. I represent the 11th District of Illinois in the suburbs of Chicago. I sometimes introduce myself as saying I represent 100 percent of the strategic reserve of physicists in the U.S. Congress. I'm the only Ph.D. physicist in the place. I'm also a manufacturer. When I was 19 years old, my little brother and I started a company in our basement that now manufactures about 70 percent of the theater lighting equipment in the United States. And so we do hardware, software, you know, sheet metal painting, and we've kept all those manufacturing jobs in the Midwest, which is something I'm really proud of. And so I'd like to, you know, congratulate Chairwoman Stevens again for having this hearing really in the heart of auto component manufacturing because when the revolutions that we're seeing and we're going to be seeing in automotive are going to have a big impact on the parts that go into cars, and so it's really appropriate and good that the technology is talked about and developed so close to the manufacturing centers here. Now, my question really has to do with the timescales. There's sort of three simultaneous revolutions we're talking about. There's electric cars and trucks, there is self-driving cars and trucks, and then there's smart roadways and infrastructure. And so if the panel could just sort of comment on when they see, say, the 50 percent adoption point for each of those, for both cars and trucks and it's those three technologies: Electric, self-driving, and then smart roadways. Dr. Rajkumar. Sure. I guess if you look at the numbers, Congressman Foster, we have 350 million registered cars in the U.S. today, and we sell about 80 million cars, right, in a very good year, right? So basically then the average age of a vehicle registered is about 11 years. If you do the math, if all the vehicles are being sold every year become automated, connected, electric, it would still take about 15 years, right? Of course, it's going to be a long time before all the vehicles being sold in a given year has those capabilities, so we are talking about at least a few decades for us to reach a 50 percent threshold if you will. Mr. Foster. So there's a difference--there's 50 percent of new cars being manufactured, which will happen much before---- Dr. Rajkumar. Right. Mr. Foster [continuing]. The 50 percent of the cars on the road, and so I was more interested in where we hit the 50 percent of cars being manufactured---- Dr. Rajkumar. Oh, sure. Mr. Foster [continuing]. Say, electric---- Dr. Rajkumar. Yes. Mr. Foster [continuing]. Self-driving---- Dr. Rajkumar. Yes. Mr. Foster [continuing]. Or so on. Dr. Rajkumar. So studies indicate that if--even about 8 percent of the vehicles on the road basically have these safety features, the connectivity features, that's actually a very big positive impact if you will. So basically really if you do the numbers in terms of that, the next 10 years or so we will likely reach that 8 percent, 50 percent threshold within the next decade. Mr. Foster. All right. Other comments or estimates on that on--Mr. Averitt? Mr. Averitt. In terms of time, I couldn't say. I can tell you one of the things that in order to get there is we need to get to cost neutrality with existing vehicles, right? It's one thing to, you know, have the technologies available and on the market. It's another thing for it to be affordable, and those are things that we're striving for with the OEMs (original equipment manufacturers), be able to get those prices down where it's, again, cost-competitive with existing technologies on the road. So that's something that it's a few years out at least before you get to that point. There's a lot of work going in R&D to get to those points, especially in battery research and electrification. There's a lot of other research going on in the areas of automated vehicles. But it's still early yet for those things. There's a lot of extra hardware and sensors and so forth that need to be added to a vehicle to make that happen, so it's a few years off before we get to neutrality. Mr. Dowd. I would also like to--on automation I think maybe you were thinking about things linearly, right? You know, when is that 50 percent going to hit when automation may actually come to us in a different way. The idea that we'll have car lots with automated cars I think is less likely than us changing our mobility choices to include automated transportation. So it's not that you're going to go buy an automated car, but you can actually use an automated car. So I don't think--the 50 percent piece may not really actually be applicable in that space. I think we'll actually be changing a little bit of how we consume cars. Mr. Foster. Well, I was just struck by--I believe that Tesla is claiming they're going to deliver full autonomy next year, OK, there's a pretty wide spread in opinions on when this might actually happen. And it must matter tremendously to industry trying to plan for the transition---- Mr. Dowd. What's fascinating, though, is that the other automated car companies aren't even close to that, so is it that Tesla is so far advanced and so far beyond Waymo and Cruise and like--is that the case, or is it that they define automation differently? So if Google Waymo is out there still testing their cars in Arizona because it's flat and it's dry, they haven't quite gotten to Michigan yet or--you know, how is that possible that Tesla is able to magically come up with an automated car? Mr. Foster. Well, I guess time will--yes. Dr. Bills. So I unfortunately don't have an exact answer to the 50 percent market penetration question, but one thing I think it's tied to is, you know, the network of places where people might refuel. And so we have this, you know, rich network of fuel stations for gasoline. We don't see many fueling stations for electrical vehicles. And so, you know, the extent to which that becomes more of a publicly aware or incentivized thing on the business side, I think that we'll see a lot more people seeing the benefits of electrical vehicles and seeing it as a real option for them and purchasing. So that's what I want to add. Mr. Foster. Yes, and I have to say that from my time living in Ypsilanti, I had this nightmare of what happens at a University of Michigan football game when 100,000 people drive in, discharge their batteries, then the game's over and they all have to find a charging station. Mr. Averitt. To that point, just some quick math, 1 percent--if you take a million electric vehicles and you put them on the grid to charge, it's about 2 percent of our grid's capacity. Now you do that at 10 million vehicles, now you're at 20 percent. You get to the 450 million, and, yes, they're not all charging the same time, but you've quickly exceeded the grid's capacity very easily. So there's a lot that has to be done on both sides of it. It can't just be the vehicle side of it. You actually have to do a lot on the grid side as well. Mr. Foster. Yes. Would you anticipate they'll be around when you have self-driving internal combustion cars and trucks as a significant component just because of the difficulties in getting the electric infrastructure? Mr. Averitt. I think there's going to be a mix. I think one of the things we've seen is that a lot of things is they're rolling out new technologies. They tend to roll out the newest stuff on the latest vehicles, right? So a lot of the fully automated stuff will wind up on the higher-end electric vehicles at the very beginning as they deploy technologies. Again, as it matures and as the costs come down, you'll start to see it more on mainstream vehicles. But there is the point that Bill brought up about there is the possibility there's a massive shift in the way we have vehicle ownership, right, in terms of, you know, where we have that 450 million or if you have a lot of automated vehicles, is it a matter of, you know, you click a button on your smartphone and it just comes pick you up and you go where you need to be and you don't actually own the car anymore. And that might change the ownership model dramatically, as well as the need for how many would charge and so forth. So there's a lot of things that are being looked at by industry as well. Dr. Rajkumar. Electrical vehicles do have fewer moving parts, and the cost of batteries is dropping significantly. At some point it would not make economic sense to basically buy an internal combustion engine car. So the transformation could be abrupt. Mr. Foster. Yes. Now, I've seen--someone says--some others 2 or--2 to 3 years with a crossover--with a total cost of ownership will be lower for an electric car---- Mr. Averitt. That---- Mr. Foster [continuing]. Because batteries are just dropping like---- Mr. Averitt. Yes. Mr. Foster [continuing]. A rock. Mr. Averitt. That's very much the case, yes. Mr. Foster. All right. I yield back. Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you. We are going to do one more round of questions, so the Chair is going to recognize herself for another round of questions. And actually just picking back up on that, you know, we just talked about the need to invest in the R&D and how we define deployment and the role that the government plays in helping us hit some of these goals. You know, the question is, is this all incumbent on industry to hit the electric vehicle considerations. We're working on the electric vehicle tax credit up from 200,000 vehicles per year to 600,000, recognizing that that also helps us hit sustainability goals as far as where industry is moving. And, Mr. Coulter, I'd like to ask you because you tend to have some really great examples of public-private partnerships and models that are working at the county level in one of Michigan's largest counties, so I'd love for you to kind of chime in on ways in which government, be it, you know, at the county level maybe reaching for Federal or State Government in partnership with industry. Mr. Coulter. Yes, it's true. We're very active in that space. The one piece that strikes me because I believe it was Raj who mentioned the talent pipeline, and that's something that we're really concerned about in Oakland County, making sure that we have, you know, the workforce that's going to be able to deploy this technology and do this. And we've been partnering with Lawrence Technological University and Oakland University, but I think that's a bigger issue than a local government can manage, and so making sure that we have the talent to be able to bring this to market is going to be really critical for us. Chairwoman Stevens. I'm looking at Dr. Bills because it's becoming a chicken-and-egg question---- Dr. Bills. It is. Chairwoman Stevens [continuing]. Around equity and, you know, accessing jobs and then being able to do the job. And if it's transportation, accessibility, and throughout that spectrum. Dr. Bills. Absolutely. I mean, you know, mobility is a huge issue for a lot of people, so there are many residents in the area who really struggle to access the opportunities that are available. And we have public transportation, but they are still not quite providing the level of coverage and the level of reliability that is required to maintain employment and maintain visits to healthcare facilities, which obviously has implications in terms of healthcare outcomes and the ability to contribute to the economy. And as you mentioned, there's a real chicken-and-egg sort of dynamic going on here where we're trying to provide people with the services so that they can reach opportunities, and we're trying to do that in a way that leverages the technologies that are coming online. And yes, so that's one of the---- Chairwoman Stevens. Well, and it's going to be intentional development of the strategies, and that's I think, again, in part to a nod to our audience and the extensive outreach that we did for today's hearing, right? This is about establishing legislation, enhancing legislation for the best outcomes for our country and obviously for our community. And you've got to have all stakeholders to the table while you're doing it. You can't just add them in down the road. This is, again, Mr. Dowd, things that you worked on when you were serving in the Obama Administration and bringing, you know, partnerships together. It didn't all just come at the end when the money was awarded as, you know, on the smart cities projects. It's got to be a part of applications. It's got to be a part of the approaches. And with my remaining time, Mr. Averitt, you mentioned in your testimony--you talked about this, how Bosch is deploying video and sensor, you know, solutions to increase pedestrian and vehicle safety. Could you just elaborate on Bosch's privacy and cybersecurity plan for deployment of this technology? Also kind of hanging above this conversation on smart mobility, the big question that everyone likes to ask is, what are the cybersecurity implications of this, and can we hack cars and hack into consumer activity? Mr. Averitt. Yes, certainly, and that's one of the very key points about those technologies is that, again, you know, with these things, we've got connected vehicles as well, right? It's great if it's connected, you can do all this stuff, but if somebody else can track it in a nefarious way, that's not a good thing, right? So there's a lot of things you've got to do from a cybersecurity and a privacy perspective. So when it comes to the video as a sensor, one of the things that we do is we decouple the video feed from what we would consider the data stream or the object identification, so there's a separate data stream that comes out, that that's what you use in the intelligent transportation system, so it says there's an object here, there's a car, there's a pedestrian, there's a cyclist. There's no identification of the person, there's no facial recognition, there's no image of the face whatsoever. It's just there's a person and that they're there or how many of them are there or they're in the cross-section, you know, there's this many vehicles at an intersection. So it's very much decoupled from, you know, what you would think of video cameras doing, right? And then everything else from that side in terms of the actual video stream, those are accessible for, you know, police and fire to be able to do post-accident investigation or, you know, something of that nature, but those are all, you know, kept behind firewalls. They're all part of the networks that have put in place, and there's very high levels of cybersecurity and other information that tries to keep that protected. Obviously, that's an ever-changing thing, so you always have to make it updatable and fixable so that you continue to morph with the threats that are out there, so that's something that we do continuously. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. Dr. Rajkumar? Dr. Rajkumar. Two points. The car makers are very sensitive to this need for cybersecurity, so they anticipate needing to spend extra time and effort on basically making sure that these vehicles are secure. They did not have to do that before. They did not worry about it before, but now they are. Second, this is really a pre-competitive issue if you will, so they're absolutely working with each other to make sure that they understand the best technologies out there so that all these technologies are secure. Chairwoman Stevens. Yes. And I think it's also about defining it for the public, and that's part of the Committee's responsibility as we talk about definitions, you know, how do we define autonomous vehicles, how do we define cybersecurity standards. We have oversight of the National Science Foundation, as well as the National Institute of Standards and Technologies, and these standards become imperative for us as we move forward and, you know, and again the plight for data but data at what cost and for what outcome, you know, certainly one of the means to the end but the empirical experience also moves us forward. I'm out of time, so I'm going to yield back and now recognize my colleague from Texas again for another round of questions. Mr. Cloud. Thank you. This is a great conversation, and I have enough questions we could probably go on for a few more hours. But I'm trying to put this into context of what we're going to have to deal with. We're in a competitive environment. You mentioned the global competitive environment. Could you all speak to the context of where we are in relation to other countries in developing these? I know there's some very specific challenges in the sense of we care about data security and especially privacy in a way that some of our competing countries, they can mass collect and force collect data on every individual, and when it comes to developing these technologies, machine learning, AI, and how that all integrates into this picture. And then speak to how the phases you see us walking through, I guess, from a technological engineering standpoint. Mr. Dowd, you commented on how the FAA regulations are more what's holding up as much as Congress can sometimes move slow. I don't know if you all have heard that before. Mr. Foster. Just the Senate, just the Senate. Mr. Cloud. Just the Senate. Unanimous---- Mr. Foster. Or at least two out of three---- Chairwoman Stevens. Yes, we don't like---- Mr. Cloud. So, you know, one of the things I think we're trying to keep in mind as policy is to make sure that the legislative path keeps up with the engineering science track that's happening in the sense of, OK, what's the outlook for the next phases of development, but then, legislatively, what's the next legislative phase of development that needs to happen, maybe regulations that are in the way that need to be looked at, the next steps of laws, you know, just what's the track forward for that in your mind? Dr. Rajkumar. If I may, Congressman Cloud, it's a huge market, multitrillion dollars per year in the smart mobility space. The technology for our automated vehicles, and connectivity if you will was literally born in the U.S., and so we started out as leaders. It's not going to be an easy task maintaining that leadership or extending that leadership would require substantial investments, I believe, if we're going back to the areas that we discussed earlier. A lot more money needs to be invested in. To build us a huge market, we need to continue to maintain that leadership. It has become a global race. It's not just the U.S. in the race. It's Europe, or Germany in particular, and then in Asia it's actually China, Japan, and Korea if you will. So it's a global competition. We need to be investing resources now to keep things moving forward in our country. The regulatory aspect I think is a very sensitive topic if you will. Regulations may be needed, but if we overregulate compared to other countries where the regulation is less, they may actually end up taking leadership where they're able to test things on their own very quickly and then get that technology to mature. That being said, I think our local companies need to basically have responsibility, so while it needs to be regulated, I do believe that it needs to be regulated lightly to ensure that the companies are acting responsibly. I guess in the United States I think they're doing pretty well in terms of the technologies inside the vehicle, but what's happening, infrastructure--I'm actually afraid that we may be lagging a bit. There's a lot of, I guess, controversy if you will in terms of infrastructure investments and the frequency spectrum allocation and such if you will. And I'm afraid that at this point in time China has basically picked a horse to bet on, and they're actually going forward very strongly, so we need to be very sensitive to that particular dimension of connectivity. So I'm just worried on that front. Mr. Averitt. As a global supplier for these technologies, we are implementing them across the world, right, in all the countries around the world. I wouldn't say that anyone of them has more deployments than another at this point. I think one point that I could mention is that being a global company we can put our centers of competency anywhere, right, but we have a very large presence here in metro Detroit area. We also have a very large presence now near Carnegie Mellon for our Bosch artificial intelligence, and that's primarily because that's where the talent is coming from, right? It's coming out of the universities, and that's a big factor in developing and deploying these technologies is we need engineers. We need software engineers. The last numbers I heard is there's something like a couple hundred thousand open software positions in this country, and we just simply can't find enough to fill those voids. It's a major hurdle toward, you know, getting to the next level of these technologies. Mr. Dowd. I would like to just build on--the university system is by far one of our best assets in this---- Mr. Cloud. Yes. Mr. Dowd [continuing]. In this race. And the ability for universities to work with companies and universities working with communities is where I would push. So there is--the partnership between universities and--like Metro21, the university and the city allows both the city to increase its capacity and allows the university to have a living lab to be able to test out different technologies. And being able to see that type of--with, you know, National Science Foundation, DOT, DOE, DHS all have those types of programs, and being able to get them to try to work better together would be one suggestion I would have is that they all work independently. I personally am trying to get them to work together, all three, DOE, DHS (Department of Homeland Security), and DOT, but it's hard. And it's hard because they just don't do that well. So from a congressional perspective, that would be one suggestion. Like FAA should be working very closely with DHS on drones. And, you can give multiple examples of how this can be done better. The second thing is I think that from a regulatory perspective on automated vehicles, we're in a weird space. It's a weird space. You look at Texas versus California in terms of how those two States regulate automated vehicles. You look at the way that the Department of Transportation is putting out their guidance, and it gets to be a confusing space. And I think if there was some clarity in that space, that would be very helpful. Last, on the ADS piece--I'm just going to hit that again-- $60 million was a drop in the bucket to what the DOT should be doing in terms of trying to drive that because, again, that's universities and communities working together to try to get that grant money. Dr. Bills. I want to bring up the topic of micro-transit. This is a type of smart mobility technology that is a mixture between traditional bus transit and your Ubers and your Lyfts. It's more of an on-demand service, and it helps for providing greater accessibility to areas that don't have very dense transit networks. This is a type of mobility service that we see more prevalent abroad than we do in the United States. We have had efforts here by industry, so we've had Ford's Chariot, we've had BRIDGE. A lot of these have gone away, but they still exist in other countries, in the U.K., in China. And I think that one of the major issues with it being successful here in the United States is that we haven't gotten the right cost structure together. A lot of the efforts that we do see that are collaborations between the public sector and pilots and things like that, they have largely just been funded, and the costs are paid for and this is piloted out to the community, but we haven't looked at how we come up with a cost structure to make this more sustainable. How do we come up with the right mix of city and county and government incentives and farebox contributions to make this type of transit work? We know that it will provide for greater accessibility in areas that don't have heavy public transportation investment. And so this is one of the things that I would highlight is that we need to focus on how we can make these more sustainable from a cost perspective. Chairwoman Stevens. Great. All right. Dr. Foster? Yes. Dr. Foster. Mr. Foster. Well, thank you. Dr. Bills, I'd like to pick up on that point. You know, there are a variety of ways in which we try to provide assistance to under-resourced communities, you know, housing assistance, food assistance, and transportation assistance seems like a real possibility here, you know? The dream that there will be transportation as a service, where you just have essentially automated Ubers. And when you think about the $27 that it cost Mr. Dowd to come here, probably more than half of that was labor that will disappear. The capital costs of an automated Uber will be amortized much more quickly because it's used a much higher fraction of the time than a normal car. You know, the expense of computers will be used most hours of the day. And so I was wondering in terms of the research that you're doing there's a lot of information that might be gleaned when you see Lyft and Uber competing with each other raising and lowering costs. And you can see that the market responds pretty quickly to the uptake when they change their prices. So you might be able to get a lot of information on how under- resourced communities start using ridesharing services as a function of price, and then understand a significant subsidy to those prices so that if you had access to automated Ubers, say, with a 50 percent or a 75 percent discount if you were a member of an under-resourced community, that could be a very effective way of delivering assistance in the community that would offer real economic help, as well as access to jobs, which is the key long-term thing. People use the big data sets from--that Uber and Lyft must have internally to look at how different communities use these services as a function of the price they charge? Dr. Bills. So there is a lot of promise there with regard to leveraging big data to understand travel behavior and therefore target communities in order to provide services that fit their needs. The challenge is--and this is based on the research that we're doing in Benton Harbor. Benton Harbor is a small city on the western coast of Michigan. And there are a lot of people who really struggle to access job opportunities in the area. They're transit-dependent. There are large percentages of the community that don't have automobiles accessible in the household, and so they are really dependent on transit. And the extent to which that we can improve transit to provide more coverage by leveraging smart mobility technologies will provide real returns to these communities. One of the barriers, however--and this is something that--I think that we know but we tend to forget is that, there are many people for who the digital divide is still present. They might have a smartphone, but it's not up to date. They are not positioned well to download an application and use it to call a Lyft or an Uber to take them, and so, you know, we've done a lot of outreach and interfacing with these community members. And it takes a lot of orchestration to get them to participate in generating this type of data. So there is a question of how well we're representing these communities because they are not contributing to the big data at the same rates that others might be. And so that's one thing to remember is that, you know, we do need to think about how well we can capture their needs given the existing ways that we're collecting data. It is true that we are in a position to provide real benefits to the community members, but we have to figure out smarter ways to make sure that we're capturing their needs. Mr. Foster. Yes, because I think everyone is worried that technology is going to drive even more inequality in wealth. You know, the potential loss of jobs and---- Dr. Bills. Yes, that they will be left behind. Mr. Foster [continuing]. Most skilled--right. Dr. Bills. Yes. Mr. Foster. But on the other hand, there's this incredible observation that if you're a billionaire, you cannot get a better smartphone, which is probably the most important device in our lives. And just that simple fact means that there's a lot of equality that's being driven by technology, and transportation as a service delivered at very low cost to everyone would be a tremendous equalizer---- Dr. Bills. Absolutely. Absolutely. Mr. Foster [continuing]. In our economic life. So I think this is a real source of encouragement for me and I want to---- Mr. Dowd. Can I---- Mr. Foster. Yes. Mr. Dowd [continuing]. Just try to give you a little bit more encouragement? So the community of practice that we talked about with the Texas Innovation Alliance and Smart Cities Lab, are 20 cities, we found something fascinating, which is that access to nonemergent medical care, right, trying to get people to the doctor was a significant problem because of cost, that they couldn't get there. Either that, or they had to take two buses, et cetera. And what we found in almost every one of the communities that we worked with, the public health folks were stepping in. They were stepping in and getting their own programs with Lyft and subsidizing the Lyft and not necessarily Uber. They found Uber difficult to work with. But---- Mr. Foster. Geez, I wonder why. OK. Mr. Dowd. But with Lyft in a lot of the communities with the public health folks that's exactly what was happening. They have this little nascent incubating opportunity to get people to nonemergent medical care using Lyft on a subsidized basis. Mr. Foster. Right. And you can imagine even from the point of view of getting people to jobs, you know, if you had effectively access to free or very low-cost transportation on demand, it could be transformative to the economic opportunity of people. And so last question. What is the guess for how much cheaper the Uber ride will get when you go to full autonomy? Is that going to be a factor of two? Dr. Rajkumar. I guess the basic math is that roughly 75 cents of every dollar that you pay Uber and Lyft goes back to the human driver, right? And then I guess in principle the vehicle can drive itself, that 75 cents stays with the company, right? So if--I guess---- Mr. Foster. Well, then they'll compete and they'll lower-- and they'll stay with the consumer? Dr. Rajkumar. So the lower part would basically be 25 percent. Mr. Foster. So there could be a factor of four reduction in---- Dr. Rajkumar. A factor of four, but you have to worry about the initial investment basically is much higher, it needs to be maintained, needs to be delivered, needs to be picked up, and so on, so I think a factor of four is something that we can look at, but some people likely debate whether it'll be that high or not. Mr. Foster. Yes. But that's really promising because that means a relatively small subsidy can get someone to a job where then the job that they--you know, they'll end up paying more taxes than the subsidy--the value of the subsidy. Dr. Rajkumar. And we could even start with a very focused initial program where if somebody cannot have access to transportation to get to a job interview, they aren't going to get the job, right? Mr. Foster. Yes. Dr. Rajkumar. So even if we can just subsidize that first interview step, after that they start making money if you will. So it could be very targeted. We actually have a program at Carnegie Mellon that we basically had a foundation fund, a pot of money with which we generate coupons that we actually hand out to people in rural or suburban communities if you will that they can use to pay Uber. Mr. Foster. Yes. And you don't have to wait for the technology---- Dr. Rajkumar. Correct. Mr. Foster [continuing]. To do that experiment---- Dr. Rajkumar. Correct. Mr. Foster [continuing]. Because a human Uber is just as effective---- Dr. Rajkumar. Correct. Mr. Foster [continuing]. As a--well, I just--now I have to personally jump on an airplane, but I just want to thank the-- -- Chairwoman Stevens. Not an Uber. Mr. Foster [continuing]. Chairwoman again for having this hearing. It's--you know, it's--it really highlights the--you know, everything we're talking about is downstream of decades of Federal investment. And, you know, the DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) challenge that proved you could make self- driving cars--you know, I represent Argonne National Laboratories where all of the lithium ion batteries in cars use cathode components developed, you know, more than a decade ago at Argonne National Lab. And it just goes on and on and on. And I just think one of the great things about this hearing, it should highlight the crucial role in Federal investment in the technology that shows up in, you know, the thousands and tens of thousands of jobs made right here. Dr. Rajkumar. Yes. Mr. Foster. So---- Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you. Mr. Foster [continuing]. Thank you again. Chairwoman Stevens. Thank you, Dr. Foster. Well, before we bring the hearing to a close, I certainly want to thank our witnesses and our audience for participating and coming to today's hearing. It's certainly going to be a marker for us going forward. And it was significant to have those in Livonia, Michigan, and in southeastern Michigan, and we thank all of you for joining. The record will remain open for 2 weeks for additional statements from Members or for additional questions that the Committee may ask of the witnesses. And at this time our witnesses are excused, and the hearing is now adjourned. 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