[House Hearing, 115 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND RECOVERY: CENTRAL TAKEAWAYS FROM THE UNPRECEDENTED 2017 HURRICANE SEASON ======================================================================= (115-29) HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ NOVEMBER 2, 2017 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available online at: https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house- transportation?path=/browsecommittee/chamber/house/committee/ transportation __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 33-620 PDF WASHINGTON : 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Publishing Office. Phone 202-512-1800, or 866-512-1800 (toll-free). E-mail, [email protected]. COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania, Chairman DON YOUNG, Alaska PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee, ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of Vice Chair Columbia FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey JERROLD NADLER, New York SAM GRAVES, Missouri EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas DUNCAN HUNTER, California ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, Arkansas RICK LARSEN, Washington LOU BARLETTA, Pennsylvania MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California BOB GIBBS, Ohio DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois DANIEL WEBSTER, Florida STEVE COHEN, Tennessee JEFF DENHAM, California ALBIO SIRES, New Jersey THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky JOHN GARAMENDI, California MARK MEADOWS, North Carolina HENRY C. ``HANK'' JOHNSON, Jr., SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania Georgia RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois ANDRE CARSON, Indiana MARK SANFORD, South Carolina RICHARD M. NOLAN, Minnesota ROB WOODALL, Georgia DINA TITUS, Nevada TODD ROKITA, Indiana SEAN PATRICK MALONEY, New York JOHN KATKO, New York ELIZABETH H. ESTY, Connecticut, BRIAN BABIN, Texas Vice Ranking Member GARRET GRAVES, Louisiana LOIS FRANKEL, Florida BARBARA COMSTOCK, Virginia CHERI BUSTOS, Illinois DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina JARED HUFFMAN, California MIKE BOST, Illinois JULIA BROWNLEY, California RANDY K. WEBER, Sr., Texas FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida DOUG LaMALFA, California DONALD M. PAYNE, Jr., New Jersey BRUCE WESTERMAN, Arkansas ALAN S. LOWENTHAL, California LLOYD SMUCKER, Pennsylvania BRENDA L. LAWRENCE, Michigan PAUL MITCHELL, Michigan MARK DeSAULNIER, California JOHN J. FASO, New York A. DREW FERGUSON IV, Georgia BRIAN J. MAST, Florida JASON LEWIS, Minnesota CONTENTS Page Summary of Subject Matter........................................ v TESTIMONY Panel 1 Hon. Michael T. McCaul, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas, Chairman, Committee on Homeland Security....... 4 Hon. Gene Green, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas.......................................................... 4 Hon. John H. Rutherford, a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida............................................... 4 Hon. Al Lawson, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida..................................................... 4 Hon. Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon, Resident Commissioner in Congress from the Territory of Puerto Rico.............................. 4 Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett, a Delegate in Congress from the Territory of the U.S. Virgin Islands........................... 4 Panel 2 Hon. William B. Long, Administrator, Federal Emergency Management Agency......................................................... 16 Vice Admiral Karl L. Schultz, Commander, Atlantic Area, U.S. Coast Guard.................................................... 16 Major General Ed Jackson, Deputy Commanding General for Civil and Emergency Operations, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers............. 16 Hon. Peter D. Lopez, Regional Administrator for Region 2, Environmental Protection Agency................................ 16 PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Hon. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas................................. 70 PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY WITNESSES \1\ Hon. William B. Long............................................. 83 Vice Admiral Karl L. Schultz..................................... 143 Major General Ed Jackson......................................... 154 Hon. Peter D. Lopez.............................................. 164 SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD Hon. William B. Long, Administrator, Federal Emergency Management Agency, responses to questions for the record from the following Representatives: Hon. Blake Farenthold of Texas............................... 93 Hon. Peter A. DeFazio of Oregon.............................. 95 Hon. Garret Graves of Louisiana.............................. 139 Hon. Daniel Lipinski of Illinois............................. 140 Vice Admiral Karl L. Schultz, Commander, Atlantic Area, U.S. Coast Guard, responses to questions for the record from the following Representatives: Hon. Blake Farenthold of Texas............................... 148 Hon. Peter A. DeFazio of Oregon.............................. 149 Major General Ed Jackson, Deputy Commanding General for Civil and Emergency Operations, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, responses to questions for the record from the following Representatives: Hon. Blake Farenthold of Texas............................... 158 Hon. Peter A. DeFazio of Oregon.............................. 158 ---------- \1\ Panel 1 witnesses did not submit prepared statements for the record. Hon. Peter D. Lopez, Regional Administrator for Region 2, Environmental Protection Agency, responses to questions for the record from the following Representatives: Hon. Blake Farenthold of Texas............................... 172 Hon. Peter A. DeFazio of Oregon.............................. 172 Hon. Grace F. Napolitano, a Representative in Congress from the State of California, submission of letters to the California congressional delegation from California Governor Edmund G. Brown, Jr.; California Department of Transportation; and jointly from California Natural Resources Agency and California Office of Emergency Services Vice Admiral Karl L. Schultz, Commander, Atlantic Area, U.S. Coast Guard, response to request for information from Hon. Randy K. Weber, Sr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas................................................. 47 Hon. Brian Babin, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas, submission of Cameron Parish Police Jury resolution..... 187 Hon. Sean Patrick Maloney, a Representative in Congress from the State of New York, submission of article entitled, ``With Little Fanfare, U.S. Airlines Mounted Extensive Storm Relief,'' by Robert Silk, October 30, 2017, Travel Weekly................ 189 Hon. Peter A. DeFazio, a Representative in Congress from the State of Oregon, submission of report entitled, ``Puerto Rico: Characteristics of the Island's Maritime Trade and Potential Effects of Modifying the Jones Act,'' March 2013, U.S. Government Accountability Office............................... 192 ADDITIONS TO THE RECORD Hon. Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon, Resident Commissioner in Congress from the Territory of Puerto Rico, submission of Puerto Rico's FHWA/FEMA eligible road repair estimate and bridge damage assessment [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND RECOVERY: CENTRAL TAKEAWAYS FROM THE UNPRECEDENTED 2017 HURRICANE SEASON ---------- THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 2017 House of Representatives, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, Washington, DC. The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:06 a.m. in room 2167, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Bill Shuster (Chairman of the committee) presiding. Mr. Shuster. The committee will come to order. Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess at any time today. Today's hearing is focused on the 2017 hurricane season, specifically Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria. And some of the facts are really staggering. In 2017 there were 10 back-to- back hurricanes, and that hasn't occurred since 1893 in this country. So a season that was just jam-packed with hurricanes-- again, something we haven't seen in over 100 years. Estimates are that it is going to be the most expensive hurricane season on record, ranging anywhere from $200 billion to $290 billion. So again, this was a horrific year in regard to hurricanes, and our thoughts and prayers go out to all those who have been affected and continue to be impacted by the storms, as well as their fellow Americans working to restore the vital services in those communities. These storms, as I said, wreaked havoc upon large sections of the continental United States, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico. They were nothing short of devastating. But thankfully, due to the efforts of the Federal agencies before us today, Americans are recovering and rebuilding. As the committee with primary jurisdiction over FEMA, the U.S. Coast Guard, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and the Environmental Protection Agency, it is our duty to hear from those Federal entities directly about the disaster response and recovery. When a major disaster strikes, FEMA is responsible for coordinating the Federal agency's response and ensuring the necessary Federal capabilities are deployed. Oftentimes the U.S. Coast Guard is one of the first agencies on the scene, conducting search-and-rescue missions, reopening ports, and responding to oil spills. Post-disaster, the Army Corps of Engineers' expertise is drawn upon for emergency repairs, debris management, temporary reroofing of housing, and critical infrastructure reestablishment. The EPA assists in the assessment of Superfund sites, oil sites, critical drinking water and wastewater facilities, and the coordination of storm debris management. This hearing is the first step in reexamining the authorities of those Federal partners to ensure they have the tools necessary to help communities recover from disasters. Indeed, we owe it to those who have lost so much and endured so much suffering to identify and act upon lessons learned from this historic hurricane season. This committee has done so before in a bipartisan fashion, be it post-Hurricane Katrina or Superstorm Sandy. Our discussions here will help us identify solutions that will help reduce future loss of life, while lowering the costs of disasters, and speed recovery. I want to thank subcommittee chairmen Mr. Barletta, Mr. Hunter, and Mr. Graves for their leadership and for laying the groundwork on many of these issues. Our subcommittees have already done a lot of work focusing on how we can respond and rebuild smarter, and today we hope to hear from our witnesses what can be done to ensure each agency has the tools needed to do so. I want to thank Homeland Security Committee Chairman Mike McCaul for being here today to inform us about the needs of Texas and his community. I also want to thank and welcome Representative Gene Green of Texas, and Representatives Rutherford and Lawson of Florida. And our Delegate from the Virgin Islands and Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico are not here yet, Miss Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon, and Ms. Plaskett. They are both on their way, and we will again look forward to hearing from them and get their input on what has happened, how it is going. And there is no better way, I think, than hearing directly from our colleagues who represent those States and those constituencies, and again look forward to hearing about what those communities and regions may need in their recovery. I also want to thank FEMA Administrator Brock Long, Vice Admiral Schultz of the Coast Guard, Major General Jackson of the Corps, and EPA Regional Administrator Lopez. They are critical partners in this effort, and I look forward to their testimony and their ideas for improving on how the country can prepare to respond and work to prevent large-scale disasters. Again, I thank all of you for being here. And with that, I recognize Ranking Member DeFazio for a statement. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I won't repeat much of what you said. But in particular I am hoping that both our congressional witnesses and other members of the subsequent panel can talk about where we are at today, a status report. You know, we are distant from the places that have been impacted. I am certain there is still tremendous displacement in southern Florida and Texas. And mostly these days in the news we are hearing about the problems, ongoing problems in Puerto Rico, where 20 percent of the people still don't have access to safe drinking water. Many of the plants are still offline for lack of power. Twenty-nine percent of Puerto Ricans have power, is the estimate. And this is definitely not something that I would rate as a 10-plus, as the President has rated our response. And I want to find out what the issues are that are delaying actions in Puerto Rico, whether they are budgetary or logistical, in what form they take. Obviously, many of us were concerned when we saw the award of a $300 million no-bid contract to Whitefish Energy Holdings with two employees which is going to be paying linemen $2,500 a day as subcontractors to restore power. I hear that is going to be cancelled. I want to be assured by FEMA that there will be no Federal reimbursement. You know, I am quite familiar with the Federal reimbursement process, and these--we don't do no-bid dubious contracts at outrageous prices and give Federal reimbursement to local entities who enter into such contracts. And then finally, I hope, once and for all, to put to rest the idea that somehow the Jones Act is inhibiting the recovery of Puerto Rico. We have had more than 20,000 containers delivered. The problem has been the logistics of getting those out of the port to the remote parts of the island. I want to hear more about the infrastructure problems that are inhibiting the distribution, and what we can do about that in the short and the long term. I also hope to hear that we are going to be emphasizing, in all of these communities, resilience, as we rebuild, and that whatever the Federal Government can do in terms of its reimbursement to encourage resilient rebuilding so that we won't be paying again and again and again for subsequent floods in Houston or for things that are destructed by wind in Florida and in Puerto Rico. Hopefully, we can learn from this and we can build in such a way that they will better serve their citizens in future events like this, which are becoming all too frequent. With that, I look forward to hearing from our witnesses. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shuster. Thank you very much, Mr. DeFazio. And just a point to make, Ranking Member DeFazio and myself will be, this weekend, traveling down to Florida, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. I have been to Texas before with Chairman McCaul to see the effects of the storms there, and also to Florida one other time. So again, I think it is important that we see it firsthand. But that is why it is so important for you folks to be here, because you are living in those communities, you are talking to those people every day. So I really appreciate you, the Members that are here, taking the time to talk to us today. And with that, I will recognize Chairman McCaul for his statement. TESTIMONY OF HON. MICHAEL T. MCCAUL, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS, CHAIRMAN, COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY; HON. GENE GREEN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS; HON. JOHN H. RUTHERFORD, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA; HON. AL LAWSON, JR., A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA; HON. JENNIFFER GONZALEZ-COLON, RESIDENT COMMISSIONER IN CONGRESS FROM THE TERRITORY OF PUERTO RICO; AND HON. STACEY E. PLASKETT, A DELEGATE IN CONGRESS FROM THE TERRITORY OF THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS Mr. McCaul. Thank you, Chairman Shuster, Ranking Member DeFazio, I appreciate the opportunity to be here today. I would be remiss if I didn't say how about those Astros last night? Being from my home State of Texas, we are proud of that. But this hurricane unleashed a fury on my home State and devastated many homes and communities in and around the district. After the storm I toured much of the wreckage. Some of the images were absolutely horrifying. Roads were flooded, homes were destroyed. And sadly, many people lost their lives. [Slide] Mr. McCaul. I think this image says it all. It is kind of like the Iwo Jima of Harvey. You have a department of public safety, a Marine, Coast Guard, and a Texas guardsman all in this vessel saving lives. My grandfather survived the 1900 Galveston hurricane; 10,000 people were killed. In this event we saved 20,000 lives. So that is--I guess if there is any good news out of this story, it was the lives that were saved and how the community came together. Our first responders answered countless calls, sprung to action, saving, again, 20,000 lives. Volunteers from churches, shelters, other civic groups became heroes during this grave time. And Texans from all walks of life came together to help their fellow Texans. [Slide] Mr. McCaul. One other, I think, image: this is Katy High School in my district. That became a forward operating base for the Texas Guard and Active Duty in service who rescued the lives in the Greater Houston area and then sprung into action into Beaumont and other parts of my State. As the waters receded, the extent of our damage to our community became crystal clear. I remain grateful to Administrator Long and the men and women of FEMA for working with our Governor, our first responders to coordinate the extensive Federal response. The district I represent and the surrounding area has experienced three major floods in the last 2 years. More specifically, the flooding has become a major problem around the Cypress Creek and Addicks and Barker Reservoirs. Chairman Shuster, I know you accompanied me down to Texas, and I appreciate you coming down to see firsthand the effects of this devastating hurricane. [Slide] Mr. McCaul. And as you can see from this map, I think this map really says it all about where we are with infrastructure in the United States and in my home State. In 1940 the Army Corps built the Barker and Addicks Reservoirs. That is what you saw, the controlled spillage that then went into Buffalo Bayou and then into downtown Houston. But where the whole thing emanated was in Cypress Creek that is outlined in red in my district. That levee, unfortunately, was never built by the Army Corps. Had it been built, we may have had a different situation that day. I am proposing that--the building of a reservoir. I think this is preventative infrastructure that can stop this kind of flooding in the future, and I think that is what this committee is all about and, I think, committed to. These investments will minimize risks that we would otherwise have to face down the road, ultimately saving taxpayer dollars. And that is why I am working with FEMA and my Governor and local officials and colleagues to identify options for flood mitigation to protect the Greater Houston area from future disasters. Two ways I think Congress can help in these efforts would be to harmonize the approximately 40 types of mitigation and recovery assistance, and work to address duplication of project issues so States like mine can utilize Federal assistance most efficiently and effectively. As it stands, States would benefit from a congressional waiver of existing law that would allow Federal entities the ability to provide funding to local governments for projects that are receiving other sources of Federal funding in order to expedite critical disaster recovery projects. When communities are dealing with disaster recovery, the Federal Government should not be an obstacle to overcome, but a resource to help people put their lives back together. It is extremely important that we review the lessons learned from local, State, and Federal coordination when it comes to response efforts in the wake of these disasters. But we must also discuss our most pressing infrastructure needs so we can minimize unnecessary damage or loss of life when the next disaster strikes. We cannot afford to wait. I cannot afford to wait 10 years to have the Army Corps of Engineers build this reservoir. Study upon study upon study. So Chairman Shuster, Ranking Member DeFazio, I look forward to working with you and the members of this committee to have a more expedited process that makes sense to help rebuild Texas to make sure this never happens again. And with that, I yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. I now recognize Mr. Green. Mr. Green. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, both you and Ranking Member DeFazio, for allowing me to testify. I first have to say Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson and I started our political careers in 1973 as young State legislators in the Texas Legislature. So Eddie B and I, she has watched when I was newly married and with my children, and now she sees my grandchildren growing up. So the 29th District that I represent includes northeast and southeast Houston and Harris County, a very urban area and one of the most highly impacted districts by Hurricane Harvey. We have 10 Members of Congress who represent the upper Texas coast, from Corpus Christi up to the Sabine border with Louisiana. One of the biggest issues in our district, in Houston and Harris County, is the delay in Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, handling of disaster assistance. Two months after Harvey's landfall there still is significant backlog of disaster survivors waiting for inspectors to verify the damage to their homes and property. Recent reports indicate that the average wait for a home inspection is over 1 month, far exceeding the wait time for inspections following Tropical Storm Allison and Hurricane Ike that also hit our areas. Constituents have registered frustrations regarding the FEMA telephone help line. In the weeks following the flood, impacted individuals sometimes spent hours on hold before reaching a representative, and many experienced repeated disconnections. While we appreciate FEMA's prompt response to our office when we make inquiries on behalf of our constituents, individuals should not have to contact their Member of Congress to obtain FEMA assistance, but we ask them to. It is our office's experience that FEMA's individual assistance program is not administered uniformly. We have seen neighboring properties in our community with similar damage receiving vastly different amounts of Federal aid, subject to inspectors with varying levels of experience and knowledge. We ask that the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee ensure that FEMA's individual assistance program is administered fairly and uniformly. Our most concerning constituent requests are a growing number of senior citizens and low-income families who lived in special flood areas and could not afford flood insurance. Many of these seniors in low-income households who have the greatest need for aid are prohibited from receiving assistance because they could not afford flood insurance premiums. In some parts of Houston, Harris County, flood insurance premiums are in excess of $4,000 annually for a modest home. Our office is currently working on legislation to create an exemption for seniors and low-income households who could not afford flood insurance to be eligible for Federal disaster assistance. And I also ask the T&I Committee to consider ways to provide immediate help for low-income disaster survivors to receive Federal aid they desperately need. The current prohibition treats our families simply as numbers and not as the law-abiding, hard-working Americans that they are, and who may completely be wiped out if their Government refuses to help them. At the same time, many communities face these same barriers when coming to preventing the next flooding disaster. All $8.7 billion has been requested for flood prevention projects for our [inaudible] when it comes to approval for these projects, Harris County Flood Control District, partnering with the Army Corps, is required to do a feasibility study that takes into account the cost of the project against the value of the homes protected. I live in a blue collar district where home values are not as high as they are on the east coast, or even other parts of Houston, Harris County. Oftentimes the Harris County Flood Control District has trouble getting projects green lighted for our district because the price level of homes are not--are being protected. These homes are not wealthy homes, so they say the cost-benefit analysis doesn't work. But these folks got flooded three times in the last few years. This puts families in an incredibly tough place, because your house faces the potential to flood every major storm. You basically are stuck in a high-risk area. It is tough to sell the house, and flood insurance simply is not in their means to afford it. Harris County Flood Control District, along with the Governor, has also requested $800 million for a buy-out program that had been successful in Houston. This allows the city and the county to buy many of the more flood-prone properties, which greatly reduces the future financial burden on the system. Most people are willing to be bought out immediately after a bad flood. It is imperative we get this money as quickly as possible, so local entities can move quickly while there is demand. This is one situation we simply can't afford to wait. I also represent part of the Port of Houston in our district, and I share it with Congressman Brian Babin, who is on the committee. The silt has drastically limited maneuverability and depth. The port has recently completed dredging to 45 feet, allowing for much larger ships to come in from the Panama Canal. Many of the ships can no longer get through the channel, due to the hurricane damage. The port currently estimates that the first phase of recovery from the storm could cost an estimated $457 million. The ship channel is the life blood of Houston. Most of the industry in the city is in the same way connected to the port. It is absolutely essential in our district that we adequately find Corps projects that get the port back at its normal capacity. And on the national significance, we have five refineries in east Harris County, and you saw that--after what happened with Hurricane Harvey, the refineries shut down. They don't turn them off and on with a switch; it takes time to get them up. And we were paying 25 to 30 percent--30 cents more per gallon in our fuel because of the refineries that were shut down because of Hurricane Harvey. I want to thank the T&I Committee for the opportunity to speak this morning, and I will be happy to answer questions if the committee have any. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. I appreciate you being here again. And now I recognize Representative Rutherford for a statement. Mr. Rutherford. Chairman Shuster, Ranking Member DeFazio-- -- Mr. Shuster. Can you pull that mic a little closer to you? Mr. Rutherford. Is that better? Mr. Shuster. I think, yes. Mr. Rutherford. OK. Thank you for the opportunity to be here today. And, as you know, last month Hurricane Irma touched almost every corner of Florida. In my district in northeast Florida, a combination of a nor'easter, high tides, and the torrential rains caused by Hurricane Irma caused flooding in the city of Jacksonville not seen in 150 years. Downtown was literally under water. Power was out for many days. Homes and businesses were shuttered. However, because of the quick Federal response, the leadership of our Governor, and the planning and coordination of local emergency management officials and first responders, as in Texas, lives were truly saved, and our community was back up and running. Florida now faces a long road to full recovery. But for the purpose of this hearing today, I would like to focus on two areas of hurricane response and recovery that are under the jurisdiction of this committee. One is the importance of shore protection projects, and the second is the importance of maintaining the Jones Act. And I think Ranking Member DeFazio spoke a little bit about that. And I am going to talk more about that in just a moment. [Slide] Mr. Rutherford. But first, on shore protection, you can see on the screens here, for coastal communities like mine, beaches and sand dunes and other shoreline infrastructure provide the first line of defense against that storm surge. New Jersey saw it 5 years ago with Superstorm Sandy. And Florida saw it last year with Hurricanes Hermine and Matthew, and then again this September with Hurricane Irma. [Slide] Mr. Rutherford. A great example of what happens when the shorelines are not protected properly can be seen on the screens here in the room. That home that you see in the sand is in a region of my district that was hit by Hurricane Matthew last October, but where the beach had not yet been rebuilt and renourished. And now, after Irma, that home is gone. And it may be difficult to see here, but the 10 homes going south from that location are really on a precipice. They are right about to fall in, as this home already has. Shore protection is very personal to coastal districts like mine. However, I want to emphasize that shore protection projects should be important to more than just coastal communities. Fifty percent of the U.S. population lives within 1 hour of the seashore. Beaches help generate $225 billion for the national economy, and contribute $25 billion in Federal tax revenue. They also contribute to a $26 billion trade surplus in tourism in my State, not to mention that when local, State, and Federal agencies invest in shore protection projects before a storm, less funding is needed for rebuilding roads, utilities, businesses, and homes after a storm hits. When we look back at Hurricane Matthew last October, studies show that beach renourishment can save billions of dollars in infrastructure damages. And that is a matter of safety, but it is also a matter of fiscal common sense. And, Mr. Chairman, I want to commend your work over the last few years, moving water resource bills on time and with strong bipartisan support. It was great to see the WRDA 2018 process last week in my home State. Water resource projects like the pending beach renourishment project in my district that would rebuild northeast Florida's beaches hit by Hurricane Matthew and now Irma, these projects cannot move forward without the important work done in this committee. Now, second I would like to highlight the importance of the Jones Act not only to my district, but also to the recovery of Puerto Rico. And I think Ranking Member DeFazio was absolutely correct. The Jones Act has not added difficulties to the recovery in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. The goods getting to the port were not the problem; it was the distribution from the port into the country where the need was at, that was the difficulty. The U.S. maritime industry, our first responders in times of emergency like Hurricane Irma and Maria--and Jacksonville is ground zero for getting shipments of much-needed goods to Puerto Rico quickly, reliably, and economically. And I am proud of the work that the American maritime industry has done these last few weeks. They have been working tirelessly around the clock to get shipments of goods to those in need. Jones Act carriers today have delivered tens of thousands of containers to the island via the Port of San Juan. They have worked closely with Federal emergency responders, customers, and nonprofit organizations to meet the ever-changing and increasing needs of the island. They have proven themselves committed to meeting Puerto Rico's immediate needs, while also supporting the long-term restoration of the island's economy. And part of the rebuilding effort is also making sure that the hundreds of maritime employees both in San Juan and in Jacksonville are able to keep their jobs. The Jones Act provides stability to these American workers and certainty to industry, which in turn has reinvested more than $1 billion into vessels and infrastructure in the shipping corridor between Jacksonville and San Juan. As an example, over the last 5 years TOTE Maritime has invested more than $500 million in Puerto Rico trade. This includes the world's two liquified natural gas-powered containerships, and these ships have the fastest transit time in the trade, traveling from Jacksonville to San Juan in 2\1/2\ days. Consistent application of the Jones Act enables TOTE to make these 35-year investments that ensure consistent, on-time deliveries to the people of Puerto Rico, and that ensure cargo shipments back to the mainland to support the island's manufacturing sector. And it is this continuity and certainty that position the U.S. maritime industry in Jacksonville to be so capable to respond to the needs of Puerto Rico as the Coast Guard reopens the port after Maria. Again, I want to thank the committee for having this panel today. Hurricanes know no political party. We all must work together so that our communities can recover and rebuild stronger than ever. I yield back. Mr. Shuster. Thank you, Mr. Rutherford. I appreciate you being here today and appreciate your outlook. With that I recognize Representative Lawson for a statement. Mr. Lawson. Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member DeFazio and distinguished members of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. I appreciate the opportunity to testify on the impact that Hurricane Irma had on my congressional district in Jacksonville. I also wish to thank Congresswoman Frederica Wilson and Congresswoman Frankel for the opportunity to appear before this committee. On September the 11th--which is incredible--of this year, Hurricane Irma hit Jacksonville with incredible force, causing record storm surge and massive flooding in several neighborhoods around the city, and power outages for over 260,000 homes, leaving thousands displaced. According to the National Weather Service, water levels for St. Johns River hit a record high of 5.57 feet in downtown Jacksonville and similar dangerous levels in neighborhoods along the river. These are historic levels of flooding which we haven't seen, as you heard with Congressman Rutherford, in centuries, except for the National Weather Service also reported that the vast amount of water in the St. Johns River will continue to threaten communities in northeast Florida, making the areas more vulnerable every year. Jacksonville utility officials estimate that Hurricane Irma produced over 200 billion gallons of rainwater to Jacksonville in a matter of days. This water is equivalent to 22 days of waterflow through the St. Johns River. Hurricane Irma also negatively impacted the Jacksonville economy. Flooding caused extensive damage to Wells Fargo Center, a 37-story office building in downtown Jacksonville, closing the building for 25 days, causing significant damages to the main electrical and air conditioning, elevators and telecommunications system. The Hyatt Regency Jacksonville Riverfront Hotel, where you have 950 rooms, incurred severe flooding that closed the hotel for 7 weeks. Similar businesses also have struggles to get back on track. Power was lost to more than a dozen pump stations, causing more than 1.5 million gallons of untreated raw sewage to overflow into the river and into the city streets. Nearly 200,000 gallons of raw sewage spilled into the streets of our scenic community, which we had the opportunity to observe. Total damage. The storm, high water, and strong winds have left 29 city parks and other facilities with limited access or are closed. Most of the closures are of waterfront parks, piers, boardwalks, floating docks, and boat ramps. The damage caused by Irma only adds to the damage caused by October Hurricane Matthew, which is still waiting, as a city, waiting for millions of dollars, something like $26 million in reimbursement, and have left many residents frustrated about the lack of speed and funding following these areas. During the storm we are glad that our local transportation agency--Jacksonville Transportation Authority--played a critical role in helping transport people to a safe location. The JTA evacuated over 800 citizens and more than 120 people with special needs to shelter. The JTA is integral in assisting Jacksonville electric, water, and sewer utilities by transporting 2,700 mutual aid and other utility workers between hotel and staging areas. What is important on behalf of Jacksonville for local mitigation strategy, I am specifically requesting 11 flood and storm surge projects costing an estimated $79 million. In addition, I am requesting funding for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers flood study of about $20 million for flood resilience efforts in Jacksonville. Additionally, I am introducing legislation to appropriate funds for flood control and storm damage reduction projects to be constructed by the United States Army Corps of Engineers in Jacksonville. This will greatly benefit areas in our community that were deeply impacted by flood in the areas of Hurricane Irma and also offer protection for future storms, which the chairman mentioned earlier, by providing quality flood control infrastructure. I want to thank this committee. And when I look up there and see Congressman Dan Webster, many years--the effort that-- when you were speaker of the house--has really helped out a great deal in Florida, because we have seen significant hurricanes, and money that Mr. Rutherford was talking about for beach nourishment. We had a hard time one time telling Florida Legislature how important it was to bring resources back to the State of Florida and to help tourism and to recover. So the money that was well spent back then during your era has really stimulated economy in Florida, and I thought it was worth mention. I look forward to working together to ensure our citizens are safe and healthy following these events, and to enact policy that would lessen the burden during the next devastation of storms. And, Mr. Chairman, with that I yield back. Mr. Shuster. Thank you very much, Mr. Lawson. I appreciate you being here, appreciate your time today. Thank you. And with that, I recognize Resident Commissioner Gonzalez- Colon for her statement. Miss Gonzalez-Colon. Thank you, Chairman Shuster and Ranking Member DeFazio and all members of this committee, for having me here today. This is a great opportunity. As you may know, I am the---- Mr. Shuster. Can you pull that whole box closer? You have got to pull the whole box closer to you. Miss Gonzalez-Colon. Thank you. Mr. Shuster. Thank you. Miss Gonzalez-Colon. As you may know, I am representing 3.4 million American citizens living on the island. So I have a voice, but I don't have a vote. That is the reason this hearing is so important for Puerto Rico. And in that matter, the help that Puerto Rico received from Congress and the administration after the disaster has made a huge difference. But there is still much left to do, in both short-term remediation as well as long-term rebuilding. From roads to air, seaports, and communication, all aspects of our infrastructure suffered. At the peak of the storm, the whole power grid went offline and communications failed. We still have 70 percent of our island without power, 20 percent without running water, and 20 percent without access to networks. In Puerto Rico we have lived the scenario of a shutdown of almost all the technological resources in a real catastrophe. That is the reason we are living in a humanitarian crisis in Puerto Rico. It caused total paralyzation of the economy. Workers and business are still unable to produce, and this is already impacting the Nation. Puerto Rican plants produce 10 percent of the U.S. pharmaceuticals and medical devices, a $15 billion market. And shortages loom already. Manufacturing represents 42 percent of our economy, 30 percent of it in pharmaceutical medical devices, electronics, among others. One of the main issues is the numbers of roads and bridges cut off limited response access and communities completely. And that is the reason we need to look beyond immediate response for bridges, power grid, and roof tarps under the Corps of Engineers. We also need measures that enable rebuilding infrastructure, waiving the cost share requirement for all Federal Highway Administration and FEMA disaster recovery funding, including permanent construction. Today the situation in Puerto Rico is still challenging: 66 of 68 hospitals are open, but 19 of them still on generation power. Sixty-four thousand temporary roof tarps have been received, 18,000 blue roof installation has been approved, but just 4,000 are being installed. We are really shy in that number. Seventy shelters continue to be open with more than 3,000 people in them, and most of the island still not able to receive regular commodities. That is the reason it has been mentioned that much of the damage we are facing in Puerto Rico is a result of inferior level of infrastructure, construction, and maintenance. While this could be true in some cases, it must be noted that such is a necessary result of budgetary and funding limitations imposed upon the Territories. Differential treatment in programs of funding, outright exclusion in some cases, be it by law or regulation, results in Territories forced to do the best they can with extremely limited resources available because their political status limits their access to Federal grants and credit backing--benefitted from administrative or legislative measures to provide a more resilient infrastructure. This also goes to the disparity in funding from healthcare. And we can go on and on. The obstacles in the response process itself keep reminding us of Puerto Rico's separate but unequal condition. Immediately recovery steps that need to be taken include flexible obligation of NEPA and other regulations to balance the need of environmental protection with the major problem of the cleanup and the debris removal. Flexible application of requirements of housing subsidies, section 8 housing assistance, to take into account that the majority of the housing in Puerto Rico is safe, but simply there is no electric grid running. Administration approval of access to public assistance categories C-G under FEMA for major disaster declaration. These are the categories that address repairs to infrastructure, roads, bridges, water facilities, buildings and equipment, utilities, parks, recreational areas, and so forth. A comprehensive recovery requires that these be included as the extent of damages in Puerto Rico requires permanent rebuilding, not repair, of our infrastructure. Additional congressional measures will be necessary to enable the reconstruction of our infrastructure to begin. Action of Congress will be necessary to waive the cost of shared requirement of the Federal Highway Administration emergency relief program for FEMA funds, including permanent repair in both cases. In the case of Puerto Rico it requires 20 percent local match in permanent repair projects, and the Government of Puerto Rico, as you already may know, lacks funds at this time. Another important step will be to enable Puerto Rico to access funds from the INFRA grant and TIGER grant programs for the permanent rebuilding process. Those programs also need at least 25 percent of funding and require matching funds. Moving forward, the legislation in favor of small business growth, H.R. 2429 and H.R. 2488 will help stem the troubles of small business activity. Congress should consider creating programs in which dollars assigned to cover unemployment may be used to cover wage incentives for job creation, so that the businesses can have their employees return to work. There are many other areas that we can continue to emphasize in terms of what are the urgent needs for Puerto Rico and the Territories. And I hope this committee may find it in the written statement. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shuster. Thank you very much, Resident Commissioner, I appreciate you being here. And I just wanted to tell you again--I don't think--you or Ms. Plaskett weren't here when I said Ranking Member DeFazio and myself and Congressman Garret Graves are going down to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands Sunday and Monday with a contingent from the United States Senate. So again, I appreciate---- [Audio malfunction in hearing room.] Mr. Shuster. Resident Commissioner, thank you very much for being here. And with that I recognize Delegate Plaskett for her statement. Thank you. Ms. Plaskett. Thank you very much. Thank you, Chairman Shuster, Ranking Member DeFazio, members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify on the important matters of disaster response and recovery and transportation and infrastructure. [Slide] Ms. Plaskett. I would also like to direct your attention to the screen, where we have some photos of the actual devastation in the Virgin Islands. That is the hospital that you are seeing right there. I want to echo the sentiments of my colleague, Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon, in that much of the issues that we are facing have much to do with the disparity in funding that the Territories have received before the hurricane occurred. On September 6, Hurricane Irma wreaked havoc on the islands of St. John and St. Thomas. And 2 weeks later, on September 20th, the island of St. Croix was devastated by Maria, both category 5 hurricanes hitting the U.S. Virgin Islands. The people of the Virgin Islands have lost their homes, possessions. Businesses were lost, along with hospitals, schools, utility systems, and vital infrastructure. The President and leaders in Congress have committed to Americans in the Territories that they will receive the support they need. The islands were completely cut off from the world until air and sea support could at least resume basic operations to the islands. I will remain hopeful yet vigilant in my work to see that Congress delivers on the promises to support the Virgin Islands and the Territories. Disaster legislation passed thus far has provided some necessary support. I am pleased to see $5 billion included in the latest package to provide the Territories with additional liquidity assistance, and the flexibility with local match requirements. There is no substantial revenue being generated in the Virgin Islands right now. With the loss of Hovensa, our oil refinery, and the changes in the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004, our tourism-related economy--now estimated at 50 percent of our GDP--is gone. We will miss this year's season, at least. For example, Caneel Bay, the largest employer on St. John and one of the top resorts on the island, has estimated it will take at least 2 years for them to rebuild. Much more will be needed. In terms of FEMA programs, we will need cost-sharing waivers for permanent assistance under categories C through G, especially categories in roads, bridges, and utilities, and a 100-percent Federal share of hazard mitigation. We will also need a temporary waiver of the local match for other needs assistance. We need a suspension on the cap on disaster housing assistance, one to at least double it. Currently, the maximum amount of disaster housing assistance is inadequate in the high-cost, highly damaged areas like the Virgin Islands. The islands are also in need of other important recovery funding left out of the most recent disaster bill. For example, it did not include economic development programs, additional support for repair of our water infrastructure, seaports, airports, and roadways, all of which had been included in previous disaster relief legislation. With an economy that primarily relies on tourism, the Virgin Islands depends heavily on infrastructure. Given the catastrophic level of damage suffered, the recovery of our islands will hinge on the level of support from Congress for infrastructure rebuilding. Our two hospitals devastated--Army Corps has condemned them both--eight schools have been destroyed. Furthermore, we will need regulatory relief of our rebuilding. I urge that this committee consider options for prioritizing disaster-affected areas in permitting done by Army Corps, NOAA, and other agencies, so that we may no longer face permitting backlogs that have delayed important projects. Our needs are great, and it is partly a result of issues that have been longstanding. Our hospitals have been chronically underfunded for decades. Our Medicaid is block granted at an amount that has no relationship to local needs. Our match has been limited to an arbitrarily low 55 percent by Congress, that of the wealthiest States. Our school facilities were already woefully deficient. Congress has not been willing to grant the Department of the Interior requested funding to support maintenance levels for one school. The 2004 JOBS Act overreached in residency, which removed much of the knowledge- based businesses that brought people like myself back home before 2004. So Congress shares some responsibility for the level of devastation due to chronic neglect, a benign neglect of the Territories. That includes this committee, as well. T&I, the Territories used to be treated as States under National Highway System programs, with a percentage of funds. But this was changed to move us into a separate allotment, and an amount significantly lower than what we would have previously received. Federal transportation funding to the islands fell behind other jurisdictions, even though the traffic strains of our infrastructure were greater than our population, due to the high number of visitors. Territorial roads continue to be under stress from inadequate funding, and the Virgin Islands--most of the Federal highways do not meet current standards. Again, this was before two category 5 storms. Because the Territories are islands, much of the road construction is more expensive than on the mainland to accommodate supply costs. As a result of inadequate funds, crucial projects have been shelved, leaving only stop-gap repairs to resolve maintenance issues. After Irma, and especially after Maria, much of our roads and ports, old and lacking upgrades, were destroyed. As the week continued, major roads are impassable. Places like Wintberg, downtown Frederiksted, massive flooding, impassible roads. Charlotte Amalie became a flood zone. The sea took it back over. I would like to emphasize that this negatively impacts everything, from commerce, emergency response capabilities, to disaster relief. Extreme weather during this hurricane season further demonstrates how fragile our infrastructure already was, and how much we depend on it. We must keep this in mind as we move forward and consider changes to help the U.S. Territories. Thank you for the opportunity to speak on this. Mr. Shuster. Well, again, I thank each and every one of you for being here. I appreciate you taking the time today. And again, as we move down the road on this, we will certainly be checking in with you, talking to you. And again, this, as I said, Sunday, Ranking Member DeFazio and myself will be in the Territories to take a look. So again, thank you all very much. I appreciate you being here. And with that, we will take a couple of minutes. Our next panel will make its way here. So everybody sort of be patient. It will be a couple of minutes. [Pause.] Mr. Shuster. The committee will come back to order. And at this point I would like to thank and welcome our next panel. I really appreciate you four taking the time to come up here. I know how busy you have been, I know how busy you will continue to be. There is a lot of work left to do. And so I can't thank you enough for being here, taking the time to do this. But I think it is important that we hear directly from you. We just had a panel of Members of Congress representing those various areas that have been hit: Texas, Florida, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. And so it is important for us to hear from you, the folks that are actually on the ground, doing the work, responding. And so, again, I want to thank you for taking your valuable, valuable time to be here with us today. Our next panel has four participants: the Honorable William Brock Long, Administrator, the Federal Emergency Management Agency; Vice Admiral Karl Schultz, commander of the Atlantic area, United States Coast Guard; Major General Ed Jackson, deputy commanding general for civil and emergency operations, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers; and the Honorable Pete Lopez, the regional administrator for region 2 of the EPA. Again, I thank each and every one of you for being here today. Without objection, first of all, I want the witnesses to have their full statements in the record. We ask you to keep it at about 5 minutes. I am sure there is going to be lots of questions afterwards. So again, the--your full statements will be part of the record. And with that, I recognize Administrator Long. Would you proceed? TESTIMONY OF HON. WILLIAM B. LONG, ADMINISTRATOR, FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY; VICE ADMIRAL KARL L. SCHULTZ, COMMANDER, ATLANTIC AREA, U.S. COAST GUARD; MAJOR GENERAL ED JACKSON, DEPUTY COMMANDING GENERAL FOR CIVIL AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS; AND HON. PETER D. LOPEZ, REGIONAL ADMINISTRATOR FOR REGION 2, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY Mr. Long. Chairman Shuster, Ranking Member DeFazio, distinguished members of the committee, my name is Brock Long, obviously, a FEMA Administrator. And I am here to testify about the critical role that FEMA has played in the unprecedented number of disasters over the past several months. I have been in office a total of 134 days. For 72 of those days we have been working around the clock, my dedicated staff has been working around the clock, to try to alleviate the pain and suffering that has taken place as a result of four catastrophic events that have occurred: Harvey, Irma, Maria, and the devastating California wildfires. We continue to work. In addition to those four major events, my agency is also responding to 25 other disasters across 19 different jurisdictions that many of you represent. This has been the longest activation in FEMA history, and I am extremely proud to continue working with my staff and the members of the national response plan framework that have been going around the clock. While many improvements have been made to ensure a whole community response, I recognize that there are many challenges, and we have got a long way to go to truly building a resilient Nation. And I will be asking for your assistance to help me do so while I am here in office. I think we have to look at this as an opportunity to hit the reset button and truly formulate authorities and the way forward to help us mitigate future disasters. I am also going to use this as an opportunity to acknowledge what FEMA's role is, as granted by Congress through the Stafford Act. An optimal response is designed to be federally supported, State managed, and locally executed, not the other way around. It is my job to coordinate the full firepower of the Federal Government down through Governors to support their response and recovery efforts, not mine. I don't know how to put back your communities better than you do. Each level of Government has a critical role to play, and has to be well defined. In Puerto Rico, the local and Territorial governments, as you know, were struck by rapid- succession--two major hurricanes that basically overwhelmed not only the staff, but the physical capabilities of the island, thrusting us to be the primary responder, and basically the sole responder for many weeks after the fact. That is not a complaint, that is just the facts. I know that we are working very hard with Puerto Rico, as well as the Virgin Islands, but we are also working hard, as I said, with 20-some other jurisdictions around the clock. FEMA was never designed to be the first responder, nor should we be. And I would like to be able to discuss and have open dialogue with you today on how we can better the entire disaster response community going forward. I want to put some magnitude around what has just happened. It is estimated that from Harvey, Irma, Maria, and the California wildfires, that 25 million citizens, or 12 percent of the population, has been impacted by one of those 4 events. FEMA's search and rescue teams alone are credited with saving 9,000 lives. That is in addition to whatever the Coast Guard numbers are. I heard 20,000 or more saved by State and local responders or neighbors helping neighbors in Harvey. Over 4.5 million citizens have been registered in FEMA's Individual Assistance program in 2 months. It is an unprecedented number. It is never going to move as fast as people want, but let me put that into context. That is more than Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Sandy, Hurricane Wilma, and Hurricane Rita combined. Over $3.5 billion has been distributed or expedited through the NFIP [National Flood Insurance Program], and that number is projected to climb to over $16 or $17 billion as a result of Harvey and Irma alone. Since the onset of Hurricane Harvey, mass-care partners like the Red Cross and many State and local responders have housed over 1.1 million Americans in shelters. At its peak, there were 200,000 Americans in a shelter overnight. I have reason to believe that the humanitarian mission to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands is one of the largest humanitarian missions ever pulled off by the United States Government, or at least within FEMA's context. We have a lot of work to do. I realize that. Turning the power on in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands solves a lot of our problems, and we are continuing to work with the Governor. I spoke with the Governor when he was here yesterday. We are working with the Governor, the Army Corps of Engineers, and trying to facilitate mutual aid to do that as quickly as possible. But we have to recognize that there are a lot of deferred maintenance issues and an antiquated system that we are having to overcome. We continue to build up the hospitals and medical functions to a truly stable situation. We have unique disaster housing issues for all over the country right now, from California to the Virgin Islands. And each mission is going to be unique. We have to continue to fix roads, clear roads, but also dispose of debris. And you can never do debris the same way any given time. We have a lot of challenges. But the long-term recovery of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands is going to require a far greater solution than what FEMA can offer. It may even increase the authorities that we have to do things in a more resilient fashion. Going forward to improve the whole community response, I would like to work with the Congress to do a lot of things. One, we got to streamline Federal Government disaster assistance. It comes down from a multitude of Government agencies. We have to bring it together, simplify it to make it down to the local level, where it is understandable and easy to use. We have to implement and ensure survivable communications. We can no longer have communications knocked out if we continue to go to digital solutions. How are we making them redundant? How are we making them resilient, so that we don't lose connectivity and situational awareness? We have to increase pre-disaster mitigation funding. It does not make sense that you have to get hit to have access to mitigation funding. We need to put it upfront. I am willing to work with you to do that. We have to ensure that State and local governments have their own ability to do their lifesaving commodity missions and not be fully dependent upon the Federal Emergency Management Agency to do so. We have to find low- to no-cost ways to truly create a true culture of preparedness within our citizens. We have to help them understand why it is important to be insured, give them affordable insurance, but also help them understand that if you are insured, you are going to respond and recover a lot quicker than those that don't have it. We have to ensure that States have baseline capabilities to perform their own individual and public assistance programs when FEMA assistance is not coming. We have to fix the NFIP, bottom line. I don't like running a program that is too confusing to citizens. It is too cumbersome, and the bottom line is that it continues to go into debt every time we have a major event. I am here to work with you in the spirit of improvement to do everything that we can to alleviate suffering and to build a more resilient Nation. Thank you. Mr. Shuster. Thank you very much for that, Mr. Long. And I recognize Admiral Schultz. Admiral Schultz. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member, committee members. It is my pleasure to be with you today to discuss the United States Coast Guard's role in the broader Federal response to Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria. As Federal Government's maritime first responder, we carry out our statutory requirements under title 14, U.S. Code. And during disaster response missions, we focus on ensuring the survivability of our own forces and capabilities in order to conduct the post-disaster response operations, saving lives in distress, reconstituting the affected ports, waterways, and maritime infrastructure, responding to oil and chemical and hazardous material spills, and supporting other agencies. The Coast Guard stands ready to respond alongside civil first responders. At the same time, the Coast Guard seamlessly integrates with the Department of Defense in a variety of operating environments, as demonstrated during these recent responses. As the lead Federal disaster response organization in the maritime domain, and an armed service at all times, the Coast Guard is uniquely positioned to operate across the full response spectrum, often serving as a bridge between the military and civil response efforts. The Coast Guard has been operating helicopters, boats, cutters, vehicles, and even on foot, rescued over 11,300 people as part of these broader response efforts. Working with partner agencies such as the Army Corps and NOAA, we conducted soundings, corrected 1,200 discrepant aids to navigation, removed obstructions from shipping channels to rapidly reconstitute our maritime transportation system's key ports and waterways. These are critical enablers to jump-starting adversely impacted regional economies. We also worked with the Army Corps and the EPA to coordinate the salvage and environmental remediation of 3,600 damaged or sunken vessels, and that work continues in progress. These storms arriving in rapid succession directly impacted our numerous Coast Guard facilities, our crews, our families. But despite that, your Coast Guard has always found a way to respond, oftentimes in the face of personal adversity, to help ensure the safety of their communities. After Irma and Maria, our multimission cutters and their crews evacuated citizens from the U.S. Virgin Islands to deliver humanitarian supplies to outlying areas, and facilitated port and waterway surveys essential to reconstituting those ports. Several of those same crewmembers then joined task forces to distribute essential commodities like bottled water and food to isolated communities. One out of every four Coast Guard rotary wing aircraft helicopters deployed in response to Harvey, collectively flying over 1,600 hours. That is more than double annual programmed hours for one of those classes of helicopters. Before Harvey's landfall in southwest Texas, two of our short-range Dolphin helicopters battled 60-knot winds to rescue 12 mariners on sinking vessels. While fully engaged in almost 2 months of high-tempo hurricane response recovery operations, the Coast Guard judiciously absorbed risk in other mission areas and locations outside of the storm-impacted areas in order to meet our operational requirements to the Nation. Forces normally allocated to counterdrug, port security, and fisheries enforcement missions were significantly impacted and reduced. As Maria damaged our Coast Guard facilities in Puerto Rico, including the sector San Juan Operations Center and its command and control capabilities, the Coast Guard found itself challenged to coordinate operations. Fortunately, in anticipation of Maria's catastrophic damages, we had diverted one of our newest National Security Cutters, the Coast Guard cutter James, returning from a multimonth drug patrol in the eastern Pacific, to Puerto Rico. In Puerto Rico, she became an afloat command and control-- or C2--node, and was able to run the operations normally run from shoreside facilities. Emblematic of the Coast Guard's agility and our layered defense of capabilities, when James repositioned to Puerto Rico, a 48-year-old ship, the Coast Guard cutter Alert out of the Pacific Northwest, stood the watch against transnational criminal activities in the eastern Pacific. That crew interdicted 4,800 kilograms of cocaine and arrested or detained 19 smugglers. In support of the hurricanes, the Coast Guard mobilized nearly 3,000 people. Roughly 2,000 of that was Active Duty, 800 Reservists, and 150 of our civilians. Also a sizeable number of our volunteer auxilliarists. Coast Guards from across the Nation, as far away as Alaska and Hawaii, supported these efforts in Texas, Florida, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the Territories of the U.S. Virgin Islands. It is really one of the reasons I am tremendously proud of this total workforce. Coastguardsmen and their families are part of the communities impacted, and they were victims of the storm, noting the homes of almost 100 coastguardsmen were damaged to the point they are uninhabitable, and we are seeking relocation for them. Our workforce is agile. We have the centralized command and control structure, and that enables us to respond agilely to these types of situations. Our broad authorities and experiences working closely with other interagency response organizations allows us to take a lead role as the Nation's maritime first responders. But these operations do not come without consequences, without costs. These are measured in the resources operating well above their programmed or planned funded levels, delayed maintenance at the depot level, and damage to our Coast Guard facilities. We have identified hundreds of millions of dollars needed to restore the readiness of our infrastructure. These costs are compounded by over $70 million of unrepaired facility work from Matthew in the fall of 2016. When the Coast Guard has the opportunity to replace our facilities, we endeavor to make them storm-resilient and survivable. In fact, several of our shore facilities that were built following Ike were on the paths of these hurricanes, one being a facility in the Bahamas which has since endured the passage of many hurricanes without damages. And in Houston, the center of gravity for the Harvey response, that was a new facility, also funded with post-Ike dollars. And that facility was absolutely essential to the response operations there. The United States Coast Guard, Mr. Chairman, are among the most dedicated, selfless, effective men and women you will find in Government. They rely on a foundation of good training, reliable equipment, blended with courage, discipline, and vigilance. They remain semper paratus, or always ready to assist. Thanks to the support of this committee, the administration, and the Department of Homeland Security, we have begun replacing some of our aging assets, but we have outstanding needs. We have an unfunded priorities list before the Congress. So I ask your continued support as we strive to provide the assets, equipment, and facilities that our coastguardsmen need and deserve as they answer the Nation's call. And with that, sir, I stand by for your questions. Mr. Shuster. Thank you very much, Admiral. Thank you for your service. I recognize General Jackson to proceed. General Jackson. Chairman Shuster, Ranking Member DeFazio, and distinguished members of the committee, my name is Major General Ed Jackson, deputy commanding general for civil and emergency operations, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and I thank you for the opportunity to testify today. The Corps conducts emergency response activities under two basic authorities: the Stafford Act and Public Law 84-99. Under the Stafford Act, we support FEMA under the National Response Framework as the lead Federal agency for Emergency Support Function 3--Public Works and Engineering. ESF-3 provides temporary emergency power, temporary roofing, debris management, infrastructure assessment, critical public facility restoration, and temporary housing. Under Public Law 84-99, we prepare for disasters through planning, coordination, and training with local, State, and Federal partners, assisting our partners to implement advanced measures that prevent or reduce storm event damages, and repair damage to authorized Federal projects working with States and municipalities to rehabilitate and restore eligible non-Federal flood infrastructure to pre-storm condition. When disasters occur, Corps teams and other resources are mobilized from across the command to assist local offices for their response to the event. As part of this mission, the Corps has more than 50 specially trained teams supported by emergency contracts that perform a wide range of public works and engineering-related support missions, as I just described. The Corps uses pre-awarded contracts that can be quickly activated for missions such as debris removal, temporary roofing, and generator installation. This year, the Corps has supported FEMA-led Federal response and recovery operations in support of multiple events, including Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria. FEMA directed 37 mission assignments to the Corps for supporting Hurricane Harvey response and recovery. Currently the Corps has 183 employees still deployed. The Corps assisted in temporary emergency power, and continues to support the State of Texas with the development and implementation of a temporary housing project management plan. Debris teams led by Corps subject matter experts continue providing State and local municipalities with debris technical assistance to define requirements and monitor debris removal and disposal operations in 15 counties. FEMA directed 81 mission assignments to the Corps for supporting Hurricanes Irma and Maria response and recovery. Currently, the Corps has over 1,500 personnel deployed. As of this morning, the Corps has completed over 1,000 generator assessments and over 500 temporary generator installations across the Caribbean. This includes 250 assessments and 150 generator installations in the U.S. Virgin Islands, and 750 assessments and over 400 generator installations in Puerto Rico. Under FEMA authority, we are also assisting Puerto Rico with operation and maintenance of critical, non-Federal generators across the island. The Corps has completed over 14,000 temporary roofing installations in Florida, and is on track to complete this mission by the 4th of November. We have also completed over 7,000 temporary roofing installations across the Caribbean, including over 2,500 in the U.S. Virgin Islands, and over 4,500 in Puerto Rico. Roofing requirements in both the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico have been extensive, requiring additional material and construction support, which initially slowed progress. We have adjusted added capacity, and are seeing daily improvements in both locations. Corps debris subject matter experts provided technical assistance to counties across Florida and Georgia in response to Hurricane Irma, and continue to provide oversight to five regions within the Florida Department of Emergency Management. The Corps is working to remove an estimated 1 million cubic yards of debris in the U.S. Virgin Islands, and 6 million cubic yards of debris across Puerto Rico. The Corps worked closely with the Coast Guard and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and local authorities to open harbors and navigation channels across all affected areas critical to restoring commerce and allowing the flow of commodities and essential equipment to reach affected communities. The Corps worked closely with officials in Texas and Florida to manage local flood control reservoirs during periods of unprecedented rainfall. In Puerto Rico, Corps dam and levee teams inspected 17 priority dams and 14 levees, working closely with the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority to stabilize the spillway failure at Guajataca Dam. Additionally, the Corps teams cleared existing conduits and placed emergency pumps to further reduce water levels in the dam, yet restore flow to a critical treatment plant that supports the needs of over 30,000 people. On September 30th the Corps was given a FEMA mission assignment under Stafford Act authority to assist the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority in conducting emergency repairs to the power grid itself. The Corps is partnering with PREPA in this effort, and has established a general officer/senior executive-level task force, as well as three area offices on the island, to oversee work and provide technical assistance. The Department of Energy has embedded experts in our team, and continues to assist in all of our efforts. Within 2 weeks of receiving the mission assignment, the Corps awarded contracts for large-scale temporary power generation to stabilize the grid in San Juan, and for additional line repair assets that will assist ongoing efforts by PREPA to complete the mission as quickly as possible. The Corps remains fully committed and capable of executing its other civil works activities across the Nation, despite our heavy involvement in these ongoing response and recovery operations. We also remain ready and poised to assist in any future events as they may occur. This concludes my testimony, and I look forward to answering any questions you might have. Thank you. Mr. Shuster. Thank you, General. And again, thank you for your service. I want to yield to Mr. Faso for a statement. Mr. Faso. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to welcome Pete Lopez, our regional administrator for EPA region 2. Pete is my constituent from Schoharie County. Also years ago, worked for me when I was minority leader in the State assembly. Had a distinguished career of his own in the State legislature, and was also someone who suffered--his family suffered directly from being flooded back in Irene, when it struck our area back in 2011. So he knows firsthand what he is talking about. So I want to welcome Pete, and also excuse myself, because before too long I have to go downtown for a meeting. So thanks for being here. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman from New York. And with that, Mr. Lopez, proceed. Mr. Lopez. Thank you, Mr. Faso. Thank you, Chairman, Ranking Member, committee members. I am Pete Lopez, I am the region 2 administrator, which covers New York, New Jersey, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, and eight American Tribes. And I want to speak to you directly about EPA's response to the devastating impacts of Harvey, Irma, and Maria. Much of my focus will be on region 2, which is where I am serving on the ground. So just a couple notes. This is just a snapshot. For Members, you have full testimony. I will try to keep it--I may not be following the script, exactly. And also I will try to honor the 5-minute rule here, Chairman, so I will keep moving as quickly as I can. So in response to these storms, EPA has assessed morethan 5,000 drinking water systems, nearly 1,200 wastewater systems, including 100 percent of Texas and Florida systems. We have assessed nearly 250 National Priorities List, EPA removal and oil sites. We have assessed more than 1,400regulated facilities, recovered more than 1,500 containers, drums and tanks, and worked with the Coast Guard to address oil and hazardous materials released from more than 1,800 sunken vessels. We were able to predeploy our emergency response special teams and mobile assets to quickly conduct real-time analyses to assist with determining threats to human health. To minimize or prevent disruptions with the supply of diesel fuel for mobile nonroad generators and pumps used for emergency purposes, EPA also waived the diesel requirements in these affected areas. EPA continued its round-the-clock response to these storms, in close coordination with State, Territory, and local partners. EPA remains focused on environmental impacts and potential threats to human health, as well as the safety of those in the affected areas. EPA has largely transitioned away from round-the-clock response to aftermath recovery--a significant difference between response and recovery--for Hurricane Harvey. So here EPA continues to coordinate recovery efforts with local, State, and Federal officials, again, to address human health and environmental impacts, especially with water systems in the affected areas. As Mr. Faso mentioned--and it was my privilege to serve with him and for him--in my years of experience as a State legislator, I was intensely involved in a response to a very similar situation to what has happened in Puerto Rico. So upstate New York was hit by Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee. Here my parents and family members were left homeless and six of my seven counties were placed in states of emergency. The region faced very similar demographic constraints, very similar geographic constraints--mountainous Territories, northern Appalachia, very limited incomes and very limited response capability. And through that experience--and this is personal for me, because my family was affected not only in New York, but also family in Puerto Rico in the Arecibo and Camuy area--here I developed an understanding of how complicated it can be for areas to recover. And significantly for our people here, the more disadvantaged the community, the slower and more painful the recovery. And I cannot overemphasize that point. So, as I turn to the Caribbean, I recently had a chance to travel with my colleague, Deputy Regional Administrator Catherine McCabe, who is here, seated with me, behind me, and we were struck by the incredible devastation. And the sights, the sounds, the smells were all too familiar to me, living through Irene and Lee, very similar. The focus of the trip was not to simply observe, but, as our mission, to engage. And the engagement was substantive, the engagement was working with local leaders, the Commonwealth, the Territory, and our main mission was to find solutions to pressing problems. So very much main mission, but also troubleshooting. We saw incredible needs. And I can tell you the experience was very sobering, but also very galvanizing. So we are blessed to have an incredible team, and including my colleagues here at the dais, who are engaged not just substantively, but also understand the emotions at work and the challenges for all those on the island trying to resolve these issues. The overarching issue--and this has been highlighted by my colleagues--has been the lack of electricity. So if you can imagine dealing with these situations and having no power, so the lack of electricity has dramatically slowed down the pace and greatly complicated our collective response. In terms of our staffing, we have roughly 300 employees and contractors involved, with nearly 200 on the ground in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. You will see in your written testimony, which all the Members should have, a more detailed analysis. I will try to highlight. In those bullets you will see reflections on wastewater treatment assessments, including plants, pump stations, trunk lines, wastewater treatment plants, a number of plants in service, still out of service. You will see reference to drinking water systems, and our assessment of these systems, both utility-driven and systems that are not within utility, particularly on Puerto Rico. In the Virgin Islands there is a focus on taking drinking water samples. There the drinking water system setup is uniquely different from Puerto Rico. There is a heavy reliance on cisterns, and so our group has been supporting local officials as they conduct assessments of those systems and disinfection, to make sure the supplies are adequate. We completed about 320 assessments of facilities covered by hazardous waste risk management and spill prevention, and assessed Superfund sites and oil sites. We are working with Army Corps and other partners to address debris--you have heard some reference to that. That is very complicated, because the debris tends to be commingled. So if you can imagine all of the waste being put into piles haphazardly throughout these islands--so our goal is to separate the waste, make sense of it, and treat it accordingly. That includes possibly burning some of the debris, although we are trying to maximize composting. In our challenges, just quickly, many roads are impassable, so we are still having trouble getting to people. There is a need for ongoing humanitarian aid. You heard that referenced here. Our teams have been trying to work comprehensively to provide additional support, really outside of our role, providing water--thank you, Mr. Faso--food, and supplies to remote areas where we are conducting assessments, and where we may be the first teams on the ground. Also, we are struggling with delays to transport heavy equipment to Puerto Rico. So, as we look to the future, Mr. Chairman, we continue to actively and thoughtfully respond to the devastation. One lesson that we learned is that every situation is different. No disaster is exactly the same. So we will focus on the geography, the focus on the demographics is critically important. And for U.S. policymakers--I know you are wrestling with that--how we provide funding and support remains an open question. So, in closing, Chairman, we are very proud of our engagement, we are very proud of our people. We are mission- driven. And we treat them as extension of family. They are our neighbors, and we are very concerned about their best interests. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shuster. Thank you very much, Mr. Lopez. Now we will go to questioning. I just remind Members we are going to adhere to the 5-minute rule because I anticipate there will be lots and lots of questions today. So let's stick to the 5-minute rule. You will hear the gavel if you go over. So let's be respectful of everybody here's time, our time, and, of course, these four gentlemen that have, as I have said in the opening, a lot of work to do. So thank you all, each and every one, for being here. The first question I have is, Mr. Long, Administrator Long, you had a whole list of ideas that I think--every one that I heard, there is great merit to it. And Mr. DeFazio and I were talking about it. So that is something we really want to explore indepth with you as we move forward. And the dollars are precious around here, and I know that sometimes we don't spend money as wisely as we should, but I just saw there is a new study out that it used to be for every dollar you spent on mitigation you save three to four. There is a new study that came out that said it is one to seven. So mitigation dollars are important. And one of the things that you talked about, which I would like you to expand on---- Mr. Long. Sure. Mr. Shuster [continuing]. Is these pre--the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program only becomes available if you have been hit. And we are talking about pre-mitigation dollars. Can you talk about that and the importance of it and what we in Congress can do, moving forward? Mr. Long. Sure. I would truly appreciate the opportunity to work with you to specifically change the Stafford Act. The Stafford Act is what guides my authorities to administer funding. Section 404 of the Stafford Act provides a formula that allows each one of your States, after a disaster, to access mitigation funding, based on a percentage of dollars obligated from public assistance. To me, that is totally backwards. We need to shift that to the pre-storm side. And it does a couple of things. It allows States to better plan for how they want to implement the key to their success for future disaster resiliency. If it is all put on after the fact, you can't plan and strategize how you are going to access funding, and ultimately to put your plans in place. It sounds very simple, but I know it takes a lot of work to do that. And I would love to be able to accomplish that with you and your support. Mr. Shuster. Again, you have a whole list of things that, again, Mr. DeFazio and I are up here shaking our heads saying we got to explore these things. So we look forward to working with you. Second question to Admiral Schultz. One of the little-known facts is we know you folks are out there doing great work, you are--not only are you responding, but you are usually in the eye of the storm. And there has been significant damage done to your assets in the Coast Guard. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because again, I think that is something that most Americans, most Members of Congress may not even know, is how hard hit the Coast Guard actually was. Admiral Schultz. Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the question. You know, we are nationally deployed all around the country. And in the areas that were hit by these storms, we have had significant damages to more than 40 facilities. I think if you roll up those damages in terms of cost to replace that infrastructure in the hundreds of millions. We have had wear and tear on our resources, we flew our helicopters, as I mentioned in my opening statement, you know, almost 2 full years' worth of operating hours in the 3-day period around Texas for support of Hurricane Harvey. So there is a roll-up cost that approaches or slightly exceeds $1 billion here as impact to the Coast Guard. Mr. Shuster. And that was $1 billion? Admiral Schultz. $1 billion, roughly. Mr. Shuster. Yeah, because the number I got for your facilities was in excess of $500 million. But if you---- Admiral Schultz. Yes, sir. Facilities, $500 million. I think when you roll in personnel cost, other things, some ability--I mentioned in my statement about reconstituting building facilities--standards, modern standards. That gets you to that number, just slightly over $1 billion. Mr. Shuster. All right. Well, thank you all. And again, I want to thank you all for being here. I may have further questions, but I have about 1 minute and 40 seconds left. I want to yield to the vice ranking member. I know she has to go down to the White House for a meeting, and I want to make sure she makes that meeting. It sounds like it is going to be a good meeting. So with that I yield the remainder of my time to Ms. Esty. Ms. Esty. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And thank you so much for being with us here today. And I can assure you we have already been talking about forming a working group to work on this issue of how do we need to change the Stafford Act. And I think it is tremendously important that we learn from this and plan for resiliency. So I want to thank you all for your prior commitment to help us do right by this. I want to thank the chairman and Mr. DeFazio for allowing me to go out of order here today. But we are not here today only talking about how to get it right the next time. We are also here talking about what we need to do right now, today, to help American citizens who live in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. I have 75,000 residents in my district--that is 1 out of every 10 residents of my district in Connecticut hails originally from Puerto Rico. They and their families want answers. They can't even find some of their folks. They still have, you know, three-quarters of the island without power, 800,000 without water. We have hospitals with black mold. I had a meeting in my district the beginning of this week, and family members inland want to stay. They don't have roofs on their houses. You know, we are having real difficulty getting supplies around the island, so it is tremendously difficult. We know that, and we want to thank the FEMA workers and Coast Guard and everyone--you can imagine Coast Guard from Connecticut, we are very appreciative of their efforts. But we need to do better, and we need answers. And so, we ask again for your continued work with us to do better to work to allow debris to clear--to be cleared, to clear the roads, to get these supplies in as quickly as possible. But we are not there yet. We need to do better. We will be there with you and give you the resources you need, but we need to do better now. Texas and Florida got immediate relief in ways that Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands did not. They deserve it. All Americans deserve the aid of the Federal Government wherever they live in this great country. Thank you, and I yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentlelady, and I am going to go out of order again. I know that Mr. Smucker is going to the White House for that same meeting, so I am going to yield him a minute because I know that he has a lot of concerns that--Mr. Smucker, I yield you a minute. Mr. Smucker. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I really appreciate that. I would like to first thank all of you for being here today, thank you for your service, and that--all you have done in response to--what has been very difficult, multiple emergencies, multiple hurricanes. So I really appreciate that. I know you have saved lives, and so we want to thank you for that. I had the opportunity just about 2\1/2\ weeks after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico to join a congressional group and visit the island. And my friend from New York, who is a member of the committee here, Mr. Maloney, was on that trip, as well. And we had meetings with Governor Rossello, General Buchanan, FEMA, Coast Guard, the Corps, a lot of folks, not only did we survey the damage, but had meetings and received updates in regards to the progress that had been made at that point. And again, I think the takeaway from that was, you know, this is an all-out effort from each of your agencies to respond. It is a 24/7 operation. We saw the number of people that were on the ground. So there is no concern about the commitment from each of your agencies, from the commitment of the administration to respond. And I am specifically focused on Puerto Rico. My district is in Pennsylvania, but I also have a large number of people who hail from Puerto Rico, over 70,000 as well, so a lot of concern from folks in my district about family and friends in Puerto Rico. The--one concern, or--there were, of course, many concerns. But one of the other takeaways from that--again, this was about 2\1/2\ weeks--I think it was 17 days after the hurricane hit, and the response around restoring the electrical grid, I will be honest, was unsatisfactory at that point. And there were many agencies, of course, that were involved with this. But we--or at least, speaking for myself--came away from there concerned that we did not at that point yet have a really good plan to restore the grid. So, I guess, you know, my first question is--and Administrator Long, I think you said it very, very well-- restoring the electrical power will solve a lot of other problems. It is absolutely clear that is the critical path activity. So, you know, at that point it wasn't even clear which agency was taking the lead. So I guess that is my first question in this regard, and I will start---- Mr. Shuster. The gentleman--you can answer the question, but then we got to get back to regular order. Mr. Smucker. OK. Mr. Shuster. So I appreciate the gentleman's question, but go ahead and--who are you directing it to, anybody in particular? Mr. Smucker. Yes, Administrator Long. Mr. Long. Sure. Mr. Smucker. Tell us about which agency really is in charge of restoring the power. Mr. Long. Immediately after the storm we had no choice but to basically mission-assign the Army Corps of Engineers, who has been working around the clock on that. And that was actually done very quickly because of the diminished capacity. PREPA was nowhere to be found. And largely--that is not a shot at PREPA, that is just--they are also disaster victims, and the equipment was damaged, as well. So the bottom line is that we moved forward and mission-assigned the Corps to first do emergency power. So, before you even start to talk about the power grid, you have to make sure that the generators at hospitals are working and are fueled. You have got to clear the roads, you have got to do so many things. So there was emergency power, and then they folded over into, basically, the grid. So--and now General Jackson is here to--if you would like to say a couple words on what the plan is. General Jackson. Sure, I would love to do that. First of all, thank you for the question. I know this is on a lot of people's minds, so, Mr. Chairman, if I could take a few minutes to explain it, that would be helpful. Mr. Shuster. Sure, go ahead. General Jackson. I think one thing that is important to note is the Corps of Engineers typically does emergency temporary power through the use of our generators. That is part of our ESF-3 mission, that is what we have done in every storm so far. And typically, we flow into the affected area under a FEMA mission assignment. We do assessments, we install generators, and we deinstall generators as the grid comes up in operation. Typically, large-scale grid repairs are done differently. The affected public utility in the affected area activates mutual assistance agreements, and the multitude of public utilities from across the Nation flow in to provide additional capacity to allow that grid to be more quickly restored. That was the case in Texas, that was the case in Florida. That was even the case in the U.S. Virgin Islands. That was not the case in Puerto Rico. The Corps of Engineers does not have pre-scripted, pre- awarded contracts, like we do for debris for temporary power, where we can quickly pull something off the shelf and award it and get things moving. We have to use our contingency contracts that we have, which are competitive contracts, to be able to bring in the resources that are required to do the work that we were mission-assigned to do. So I think that is important to note. Mr. Chairman, can I keep going, or---- Mr. Shuster. I am sure you are going to get more questions on that. General Jackson. OK, OK, I will cover more at a later time. Mr. Shuster. All right. Well, again, I thank the gentleman. The gentleman from Pennsylvania can submit his other questions, as we are back to regular order. And with that, I recognize---- Mr. Smucker. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shuster [continuing]. Mr. DeFazio for 5 minutes. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, Administrator Long, the chairman and I discussed-- and I think you have got a lot of great ideas about how to streamline the programs, and I want to work with you on that. And I particularly support the pre-disaster mitigation. I won't put you on the spot by asking you a question, but I will observe that the President's proposed budget cut pre-disaster mitigation by 61 percent, not going in the right direction. Hopefully you can have some influence on that. Quick question. On Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, have you made any request for the movement of goods by sea that has not been fulfilled by Jones Act carriers? Mr. Long. To my knowledge, the Jones Act--any time there is an issue that we would perceive that we would need the waiver from the Jones Act, we work very diligently with the Department of Homeland Security and Customs and Border Protection---- Mr. DeFazio. Right. But, I mean, has there been anything you have wanted to---- Mr. Long. Not to my knowledge. Mr. DeFazio. OK. Mr. Long. And we would be very careful. We do not want to get in--the Jones Act to get in the way of life safety. Mr. DeFazio. Right, OK, thank you. On--with--since we are on the issue of power, obviously the Whitefish Energy no-bid contract has received a lot of press. There is a provision in that contract--and another one, which I just became aware of, with a company called Cobra--for $200 million, no-bid contract. And both contracts say that, ``by executing this contract, PREPA hereby represents and warrants that FEMA has reviewed and approved this contract.'' Did you or anyone at FEMA approve the Whitefish contract and/or the Cobra contract? Mr. Long. No, we did not. And there is not a lawyer within FEMA that would have ever approved that contract. And the bottom line is it was not our contract. And the other thing, to be clear here, is we don't approve contracts. We review and we make sure that our applicants are following 2 CFR. Mr. DeFazio. Right, right. So, basically, as I understand both these contracts, there is a big question about whether you could find them eligible for reimbursement. The local entity spends the money and then they apply to you for reimbursement. That is the way it works, correct? Mr. Long. It is---- Mr. DeFazio. And then follow your guidelines. Mr. Long. So there is an OIG inspector. I know that even the Governor was concerned about it, so that---- Mr. DeFazio. Right. Mr. Long [continuing]. He has also launched an investigation into it, as well. Mr. DeFazio. Well, there is--and again, in the Cobra contract, there is a very peculiar provision--and again, I am glad to hear your agency didn't approve it--because it says, ``In no event shall PREPA, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the FEMA Administrator,'' you, ``the Comptroller General of the United States, or any of their authorized representatives have the right to audit or review the cost and profit elements of the labor rate specified herein.'' That is in this Cobra contract to some company in Oklahoma. I mean what the hell is that about? I mean we can't review it? Mr. Long. That is not--again, we would never approve any language like that. Mr. DeFazio. OK. Mr. Long. And that language is added in after the fact. Mr. DeFazio. I am thrilled to hear that. Before I forget, I am going to ask unanimous consent to put the statement by Sheila Jackson Lee, who wanted to testify today, in the record. Mr. Shuster. Without objection, so ordered. [The statement of Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee is on pages 70-82.] Mr. DeFazio. OK. And then I would move on quickly to the Coast Guard. Again, Admiral, I believe the estimates I saw were, like, close to $1.3 billion in damages. Have you submitted a supplemental appropriation request? Because you are already way behind on, you know, your ongoing capital needs. Have you submitted a request to OMB for that to be included in the next disaster appropriation? Admiral Schultz. Yes, sir, Congressman. There was a request for that from OMB to the Departments here a couple weeks back. We have submitted our request that is more than $1 billion to the Department of Homeland Security, sir, and it is making its way up, I believe, to the Office of Management and Budget. Mr. DeFazio. Excellent. I am really happy to hear that. And to General Jackson, then, quickly, you didn't get to finish. I would give you--you get 1 minute if you could talk about anything else that relates to the grid. Because obviously, that is a critical problem. We don't have drinking water, because we don't have distributed electricity, and do you have anything to add in 1 minute to what you were saying? General Jackson. Congressman, I will go as fast as I can. I am from Georgia, so that may be hard. Mr. Shuster. Take your time in answering. General Jackson. The Administrator has already talked about temporary emergency power generation. That is a key element of our overall strategy to provide power to the island. We have put in over 400 generators. Just by comparison, we put in 307 generators for Katrina, which was the largest in the past history of the Corps for our temporary generator mission. So, this is significant. We are also servicing non-FEMA generators under FEMA authority to provide additional capability for temporary power generation to critical facilities that are prioritized by FEMA and the Territory there on the ground. That is ongoing, it has been ongoing since Irma hit, and will continue to go on until we finish the grid repair mission. The second thing that we were asked to do--we got a FEMA mission assignment to do the grid repair mission on the 30th of September. So about 10 days after the hurricane, when it was apparent that that was the best course of action. So the bottom line is, since 30 September, we have awarded a competitive contract, brought in a 50-megawatt temporary power plant to hook into the Palo Seco plant in Greater San Juan that was designed to help stabilize the grid and be able to leverage the 602 megawatts of the entire grid, for the entire system at Palo Seco to be able to help provide power to the citizens in San Juan, where the largest population density is. We have also awarded two additional contracts, one to the Fluor Corporation, and one to PowerSecure, which is a subsidiary of the Southern Company out of the Georgia-Alabama area. Those contracts were awarded the third week of October, competitively. They had their advance party on the ground within a week, finding places to do life support, arranging for transportation, and they have already started flowing their crews in. Two big ships are due in within the next week that are bringing in over 300 pieces of rolling stock that will allow these folks to get up into both the transmission and the distribution systems across the island to start the restoration work. Additionally, the Corps, within a week of receiving our mission assignment, initiated the purchase of over $150 million worth of critical material that is required: 60,000 poles of different kinds, 6,100 miles of transmission wire of all high- voltage distribution to replace. And we have gone from site to site to site with the Department of Energy and PREPA to understand what stocks they have on the island, to refine our requirements to get stuff in production, to go around to warehouses to find off-market materials, so that material is not going to be a limiting factor. And we have done a multitude of that over the last couple of weeks, and that material is flowing into Puerto Rico right now. So, within the next week or so we have equipment, we have people, we have material, all on the ground there to start making a much greater rate of progress on the power grid than is currently being done right now, which I know is frustrating to the Governor. Mr. DeFazio. Excellent, thank you. Mr. Shuster. Thank you, gentlemen. Again, I knew that question was going to come up. It is probably going to come again and again. But I think it is really important that people understand, because there has been a lot of criticism about what is going on in Puerto Rico, but the mutual aid agreements weren't in place. And, unlike the other States--which I think was pointed out by--I forget who pointed it out, but that is something we need to encourage everybody to make sure that they have. So, with that, just remind Members we are going with--when the gavel went down after that we are--go by seniority before that. But I know both sides operate in that way, so Mr. Farenthold is recognized. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you, Chairman Shuster. August 25th Hurricane Harvey made first landfall of the 27th District of Texas, the district that I represent. Over the next week he would slowly move up the coast, destroying homes, communities, and lives. Often TV news cameras go in search of the worst possible damage to make the most dramatic story on television. Well, in the case of Hurricane Harvey in the district I represent, you could have dropped a camera almost any place in towns like Rockport, Port Aransas, Aransas Pass, Ingleside, Refugio, Tivoli, Woodsboro, and others. And it would have been as dramatic as the worst footage they probably could have found in many disasters. Hurricane winds completely destroyed many of my friends' homes. Businesses were damaged or destroyed. And towns like Wharton had many neighborhoods left under water for days following the unprecedented flooding left by this storm, the worst we have seen in decades. I have visited the areas ravaged by Harvey, along with President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Governor Abbott, and I have seen firsthand the destruction caused by the hurricane. And I am working hard to make sure folks are connected with the resources that they need to rebuild. You know, a town like Rockport--just got an email from the mayor today. They have removed 1.3 million cubic yards of debris, and they are 53 percent finished. And they say they will be lucky to finish this year. And I have got to tell you there is nothing more psychologically painful than walking out and seeing your belongings, parts of your house, on the street. It is bad enough just seeing your trees there for months. But when it is your personal effects and your scrapbooks, I mean, it is heartbreaking. And I do want to thank the hard-working folks at FEMA, the SBA, the Army Corps, State officials, other Government officials. Everybody is working hard and trying to do their best, and I want to thank you. And we will rebuild. But there are a couple of questions that I want to ask. And Administrator Long, I think you and I have actually talked about this before. Earlier on in the process, in the first months or so, people would go online and fill out their applications for FEMA. And about a week later they would get this letter. Right up at the top it says, you have been denied FEMA aid, and then they would go through paragraph upon paragraph of legalese. And then at the bottom it will say, oh, by the way, you forgot to dot this ``i'' and cross that ``t.'' If you will reapply, we will probably help you out. Why can't you get a letter that doesn't just add insult to injury to folks? Mr. Long. I would be happy to work with you on that. A lot of times people are denied individual assistance without bringing proper paperwork or levels of insurance. I am very aware of that. I would be happy to work with you on the language for that. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you very much. And General Jackson, I want to talk a little bit about the Army Corps of Engineers. There are dozens, if not more, of authorized but unfunded projects in the area that have been declared disaster areas. For instance, up in the Houston area, there were improvements to reservoirs and levees that have gone for years not happening. Had those been funded in a timely manner, would the property damage, and even possibly the loss of life, been less? General Jackson. Congressman, that is a really difficult question to answer. I can tell you that I think every bit of flood control infrastructure that we can put in place can be helpful. How much specific property damage it would have prevented in this particular disaster is hard to tell because of the unprecedented amount of rainfall that came down that far exceeded anything that I think the area has ever seen. But I think that any piece that we can work with the Congress and the administration to get the funding for, working with the local authorities to get it put in place, all of that together will help to reduce the damages and hopefully reduce loss of life, as well. Mr. Farenthold. Surely after Hurricane Harvey--I began hearing from companies located along some of the waterways--the Colorado River and even some of the ports that were having trouble because they couldn't get the raw materials necessary because they were waiting for the Corps to get contracts or dredges in place. FEMA did a great job pre-positioning resources in Texas. Puerto Rico, obviously, more of a challenge. Has the Corps looked at pre-positioning or contracting for emergencies, where--or writing in your contract you have the ability to pull dredges off the other jobs or pre-position them in light of this happening? Because we saw gas prices go up 30 cents or more as a result of closed ports. General Jackson. Congressman, that is a great question. We monitor the dredge fleet very closely. Obviously, many of them are under contract to the Federal Government in various places. And we have the provisions to be able to quickly move them and repurpose them, based upon an emergency situation, and we have done that time and time again. Many of the dredges are working private jobs. And my experience has been that when we ask, the dredge companies are more than willing to do everything they can to try to reconfigure and move to wherever it is that we need them to do in the interest of the Nation. And so I am happy with the response, but we have a limited number and we have to manage it very carefully. But, we have great cooperation from the industry to help us turn on a dime when we need to. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you. I see my time has expired. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. And I recognize Ms. Norton. Ms. Norton. First, Mr. Chairman, I would like to thank you for the workman-like committee hearing you are holding. A couple of committees called off the hearing when the Democrats asked for a witness. You have had everybody here before us, and you have had all the agencies here before us. This is what real oversight is about. I certainly appreciate the testimony of the witnesses, and I appreciate that you have been working under quite arduous circumstances. Actually, the gentleman from Texas presaged my concern, and that is, for lack of a better word--perhaps, Mr. Long, I should turn to you--I will call preparation for the inevitable. Puerto Rico is an island. The Virgin Islands is a series of islands. Annually--if not annually, often I should say--they are the objects of frequent hurricanes, floods, and other natural disasters, almost on a predictable basis. Yet they are offshore. And unlike Texas, for example--which is far away, perhaps, from some supplies--or Florida, you--as we saw with the controversy about shipping, there is a big difference there. Yet it appears that the agencies were, if not unprepared-- and it does look like they were unprepared on the ground, or may even have been surprised about these inevitable events, given the slow response, for example, that both Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are complaining of. So what I really want to know, given the inevitable, why there isn't a virtual branch of FEMA, for example, on these islands. Why supplies aren't pre-positioned there, so that this kind of a dispute, which is predictable, about getting to the islands does not come up. It is not as if this is the first time we have encountered this. I would like to know what kind of preparations were made a year ago, when there wasn't any hurricane. And what have you learned about pre-positioning for the next hurricane, which could be next year? Mr. Long. You know, ma'am, I can't speak for what happened a year ago. Again, I have been in office 132 days. Ms. Norton. I am talking about looking to what happened a year ago, or the year before that, to decide what you are going to do next year, for example. Mr. Long. Right. Well, first of all, we do have a Caribbean area division office. OK, we do have people in place---- Ms. Norton. Where is that located, sir? Mr. Long. It is in Puerto Rico, right outside of San Juan. And not only do we have staff there, we also have commodities prestaged. Ms. Norton. Could you tell me something about supplies, any of you? Mr. Long. Sure. Ms. Norton. Since these are offshore, why did supplies have to--a dispute have to arise about whether there were enough supplies there? Why weren't there enough supplies to at least begin to take care of a catastrophe? Mr. Long. We were there before Irma, we were there after Irma, we were rebuilding the power grid as Irma was passing. The second thing is that, as Maria was coming in, we resupplied food and commodities on the island in Puerto Rico. We also verified that Governor Rossello had food in all of the shelters that were there. And the problem with an island is that you can only shove so much food, so many staff into an island, and then you start to basically take away critical shelter spots for the citizens. So we actually had---- Ms. Norton. You take away what? I am sorry. Mr. Long. You take away shelter spots from the citizens. We have mobilized almost 20,000 Federal Government workers---- Ms. Norton. Mr. Long, I am talking about, basically, supplies. I know you can't preship power, but when it comes to supplies, you could have a warehouse. Mr. Long. We do. Ms. Norton. You know, you--and what I am trying to ask is have we learned that perhaps we need to pre-position a great many more supplies, basic supplies there, basic food, basic commodities, so that we don't have to depend upon how many trucks will pick up supplies in a devastation like Puerto Rico, for example, is experiencing. Have we learned? Can we rent or build a warehouse in those island communities so that we are not so dependent upon getting there in the first place? Mr. Long. Yes, ma'am. We have a warehouse. The question is is it large enough, and we haven't been able to do any---- Ms. Norton. Can you make it larger? Mr. Long. I am sorry, I---- Ms. Norton. I am asking you---- Mr. Long. If I may answer the question? Mr. Shuster. Yes. Mr. Long. The question is we have not been allowed to do an after-action review of all the things, not just commodities. We do have a warehouse. The question is how do we expand that. But also, what is the role and responsibility of also the State and local governments to do commodities, not only from Puerto Rico, but across the States. If you look at the model way it is done, Texas has their own contracts, they store their own food. We backfill their ability to do the first 72 to 120 hours' worth of commodities, if we are ever needed to be called in. Every State, every island should have that capability. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman and, with that, recognize Mr. Barletta for 5 minutes. Mr. Barletta. Thank you. Before I turn to my questions, I want to thank Chairman Shuster for holding today's hearing. I thank the Members and all the witnesses for being here, as well. As chairman of the Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings, and Emergency Management, we have held a series of hearings and roundtables on how we can rebuild smarter and better after a disaster. In every instance, we found mitigation is a critical part of saving lives and reducing costs. We must build in mitigation on the front end and ensure that, as the communities rebuild from these recent disasters, we are building back in a way that will minimize damage in the next storm. So to these points I want to turn to my questions. Administrator Long, FEMA has expert personnel who get called to deploy when disasters strike. How can we support the work of FEMA personnel and ensure continuity in staffing and the response to and recovery from disasters? Mr. Long. In a multitude of ways. Look, my staff works under austere conditions away from their families. They deploy, they sacrifice a lot of their personal time to help others, and they work around the clock. And when it comes to pay capping, we could help there. The bottom line is I would like to redesign the entire workforce structure in the way we hire. I would like to move to an FBI or Secret Service model, where we hire in a true academy format. I would like to increase the footprint of FEMA. I would like to move us out of the regional offices and be embedded in stage agencies and on island Territories. I would like to have multifaceted teams that can approve plans, do things on the ground, rather than having to go back through a region or all the way to the headquarters. There is a multitude of things that we could do, and I would be happy to provide it to you in writing. Mr. Barletta. That would be great. I understand some States have robust State-level programs that can effectively leverage private investment in public infrastructure. The use of public- private partnerships, or P3s, could be another tool that States impacted by disasters could use to help speed up recovery. Administrator Long, do you think allowing States to use such programs following a disaster could be helpful in the recovery process? Mr. Long. Absolutely. I ran a private-sector company for 6 years before coming back to FEMA. And I am a true believer in public-private sector partnerships. We have to expand ways on how we utilize our business emergency operations center to get more private companies included. One of the things I would also like to do is introduce a private-sector toolkit to State and local governments, so that they understand what types of pre-event contracts they should have in place, and how to use them. Mr. Barletta. You know, we have been working to find ways to encourage mitigation in rebuilding after a disaster. What can be done to ensure that people don't just build back to the way things were? How can FEMA help ensure that the infrastructure is rebuilt or repaired better after a disaster? Mr. Long. So this is a concern. If you look at Puerto Rico, for example, there are deferred maintenance issues. Like the average age of the power plants are 44 years old, versus the global average of 18. When it comes to rebuilding, if we spend a lot of taxpayer dollars, which I would love to protect, and if we are going to do it, we need to be able to do it right. But I am not so sure that the Stafford Act gives me the authority to be able to do it in that manner. I also believe that disaster resiliency--the key to that success lies at the local elected official level when it comes to building codes and proper land use planning. It has got to be a greater partnership than what FEMA provides to State and local governments. It is a whole community effort when it comes to mitigation and how we focus on resiliency. Mr. Barletta. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman and now recognize Mr. Nadler for 5 minutes. Mr. Nadler. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lopez, I have to start by saying that I am greatly concerned about EPA's response to Hurricane Maria. It is eerily similar to EPA's response after 9/11 at the World Trade Center in my district in New York, when EPA infamously and incorrectly declared the area safe to breathe, and the water was safe to drink. Thousands of people became sick and hundreds died because of EPA's negligence and lying at that time. So I am very concerned with that precedent. Now, I hope you can finally clear up some confusion related to news reports of people drinking water from wells on the Dorado contamination Superfund site. On Tuesday an EPA spokesperson was quoted that water being pulled from the Dorado Superfund site is ``OK to consume, based on the analysis that we have done,'' a quote that could have come directly 17 years ago. The day before, EPA responded to committee staff to the very same question about whether people were obtaining drinking water from the Dorado site--that ``people are not drinking water from the EPA Superfund site wells.'' That is troubling, because it adds to the confusion, secrecy, and distrust of Government sources in protecting public health and the environment. So I have some specific questions regarding the Dorado Superfund site and EPA actions to protect human health from known contaminants on that site. The Dorado Superfund site was listed to the National Priorities List just last year, correct? Mr. Lopez. Yes, sir. That is correct. Mr. Nadler. Thank you. The Superfund site consists of a groundwater plume of industrial chemicals and solvents including TCE, PCE, chloroform, and other chemicals known to have adverse human health effects, both short-term and long- term, correct? Mr. Lopez. Correct, sir. Mr. Nadler. Thank you. It is my understanding that two wells in the Dorado Superfund site, the Navarro and Santa Rosa well sites, still have active wells in operation, some of which the press has reported were used as a source of drinking water following Hurricane Maria. Mr. Lopez. That is also correct. Mr. Nadler. Has EPA investigated whether any other well on the Dorado site was used as a source of drinking water since Hurricane Maria? Mr. Lopez. So, sir, those are the two that we understand are the ones that are used on a interim basis by PRASA [Puerto Rico Aqueducts and Sewers Authority], which is the utility. Mr. Nadler. So the answer is you haven't investigated whether other sites were used. Mr. Lopez. Our understanding is that no other sites are used. Mr. Nadler. OK. Mr. Lopez. So those are the two. Mr. Nadler. It is also my understanding that when the Dorado Superfund site was listed on the NPL, sampling at the Navarro and Santa Rosa sites both found traces of these industrial chemicals, including chloroform, DCE, TCE, and PCE. Is that correct? Mr. Lopez. It is correct. Just as a note, though, if I may, so---- Mr. Nadler. Talk a little louder, please. Mr. Lopez. If I may, the chloroform piece was a byproduct of chlorination. So that was an early indication that that is part of a public water supply. Mr. Nadler. But all of these chemicals were found there. Mr. Lopez. In terms of the---- Mr. Nadler. OK. Mr. Lopez. If I may, in terms of the chemical analysis, the analysis is roughly--was conducted on a regular basis by the Department of Health on Puerto Rico and by PRASA. We also have done sampling. Ultimately, in terms of the threshold of safety, those levels for the Santa Rosa and---- Mr. Nadler. OK, but---- Mr. Lopez [continuing]. Are below safe tolerance levels for standard drinking water. Mr. Nadler. You are saying that all of these chemicals are found there, but they are below tolerance levels. Mr. Lopez. Correct, sir. Mr. Nadler. All right. Now the Wednesday news report quotes an EPA spokesperson saying that water being pulled from the Dorado Superfund site ``meets Federal drinking water standards.'' Is that based on EPA testing since the landfall of Hurricane Maria? Mr. Lopez. Yes, sir. We have testing underway. We actually completed the testing for bacterial, microbial---- Mr. Nadler. So--but that statement that the water meets Federal drinking water standards, that is based on the EPA testing since the landfall? Mr. Lopez. It is, and we have the results in-house. Mr. Nadler. OK. Has EPA made all the drinking water sampling data publicly available? Mr. Lopez. We are working towards that, sir, and would be happy to provide a greater expanded---- Mr. Nadler. But you haven't made it publicly available. Mr. Lopez. We have the VOC and the microbial. We still are working on the drinking water, and would be happy to---- Mr. Nadler. And you will make all the sampling data---- Mr. Lopez. Happy to do that, sir. Mr. Nadler [continuing]. Immediately available. Mr. Lopez. As soon as we have the available data, we can give it to you. Mr. Nadler. The press also reports that in 2016, when the Dorado Superfund site was initially listed on the Superfund National Priorities List, that EPA stated, ``Drinking water with the solvents which include tetrachloroethylene and trichloroethylene can have serious health impacts, including damage to the liver and increasing risk of cancer.'' Now EPA is saying that the water is safe to consume. Is that because they are below threshold levels? Or why the change in position in just 1 year? Mr. Lopez. So there is no change in position, sir. There are thresholds that are part of the drinking water--safe drinking water standards. And in terms of testing, again, for the Navarro and Santa Rosa sites, those are---- Mr. Nadler. All right. So your testimony is that all of these poisonous chemicals are there, but they are all below tolerable levels. Mr. Lopez. Sir, we are--again, our testimony is they are within drinking water tolerance levels. Mr. Nadler. Yes, but you said most of them---- Mr. Lopez. Which are national standards. Mr. Nadler. All the ones I mentioned were there, but they are within drinking water tolerance levels. Mr. Lopez. Correct, sir. Mr. Nadler. Is there any scientific dispute as to what drinking water tolerable levels are? Mr. Lopez. I would have to get back to you on the detail of any scientific dispute. In terms of the standards, the standards are nationally known, and are regularly imposed, not---- Mr. Nadler. And the reason I---- Mr. Lopez [continuing]. Just in Puerto Rico, but in all communities across the United---- Mr. Nadler. The reason I ask the question---- Mr. Lopez. But---- Mr. Nadler. And my time is expiring, so let me give you quickly here--is because this is exactly what we got from EPA after 9/11. All the toxins in the air were below tolerable levels, they were all OK, and everybody was going to be fine, and thousands of people are sick and hundreds of people are dead because they weren't fine. And that is why I am very skeptical. I thank you, I yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. With that I recognize Mr. Webster for 5 minutes. Mr. Webster. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you all for what you have done in Florida. And a lot of our counties have taken full advantage of category 8 funding, Mr. Long, and I would just like to say a little bit about that. And it has helped immensely. The 30-day window for some of us in some of our counties is a concern. I wrote 3 weeks ago a bipartisan letter. Actually, it was signed by me and others in the Florida delegation, talking about the fact that in my district many of the homes were still under water at that time because Florida is flat. And when the rivers crest, it runs everywhere. And so many of them could not even do an assessment a month after, which is just about the time the 30-day window was dissipating, and there wasn't going to be an opportunity. And so, we were hoping there could be some flexibility in that 30-day window because of the fact--not only was it impossible to do the debris cleanup, it was impossible to do an assessment of what that would take. And so--and I just--I get an update from FEMA every day on flood alerts, and there is still one existing on St. Johns River, which is part of my district, also, along with the Withlacoochee River. And so, anyway, we had a lot of lakes. Takes them a while to drain into the rivers. When they do, that crest moves down the river, it floods everywhere, and it is usually past the 30 days. So I don't know if there is any way that could be modified. I know the State has a role in setting that. But could there be a dual track, or could there be an opportunity-- and this is not the first time I have brought it up, but I just think it is something that is still concerning--just within the last week, along the Withlacoochee, did the flood waters go low enough to where it is almost below flood stage. And so, anyway, what can you say about that? Mr. Long. I would be happy to look into that. In some cases, the 30-day window is dynamic, where you can shift it to where it is more effective at the local government, but let me go back and verify that. And not only that, we can also discuss with Governor Scott the length---- Mr. Webster. Right, because this is--it is not just a couple of days, you know, it is weeks. And the storm is gone, the wind is gone, the rain is gone, the surge is gone. It is just these flood waters are still there, and it is still affecting thousands of my constituents. Mr. Long. I would be happy to follow up with you. Mr. Webster. Thanks a lot. I yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman and now recognize Mr. Larsen. Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, being the ranking member on the Aviation Subcommittee, I really have questions regarding the role of aerial surveillance and sort of the immediate response, as well as an evaluation of disaster and what to do next. So for Mr. Long, can you walk through the process that FEMA and FAA use to considering airspace waivers so you can better utilize unmanned aerial systems in the evaluation of damage, as well as providing direction to your folks? Mr. Long. Great question, understand the concern, because the air traffic control system was totally wiped out, which made it even more, you know, complex to sequence aircraft in, as well as the air traffic control above the islands. I would have to follow up with you specifically on that question on how we can work closer together on whatever decisions we can make. Mr. Larsen. Yes, could you do that? Could you--so you have provided a list in your testimony of a variety of directions you will--are going to take sort of in your after-action report. So I would ask you to include that set of questions and that set of issues in your AAR, because of the clear role that drones are playing in not just commercial space, but also in disaster relief and response. We did hear quite a bit about how drones assisted emergency response in Texas and Florida. So were they used specifically in USVI and Puerto Rico, as well, from---- Mr. Long. I do not know, but I would like to work with the Congress. You know, particularly, we get a lot of complaints about the speed in which the inspection process takes place. Mr. Larsen. Yes. Mr. Long. One of the innovative ways we can move forward on that is through aerial imagery and desktop assessments, rather than having to find thousands and thousands of inspectors to go door to door. I am all for expediting processes through technology, just like that. Mr. Larsen. Yes, there were--I don't know how much detail you can get into with the use of drones, but you can get some detail. Insurance adjusters were in the office a few weeks back to talk about how they are now beginning to use unmanned aerial systems for claims purposes, and so there may be some routes to go. So, Admiral, can you expand a little bit on if Coast Guard used drones, drone technology, for your assessments? Admiral Schultz. Yes, sir, Congressman. First off, the short answer is no, we did not use drone technology in any of the response operations. We are doing some partnership with Customs and Border Protection on drones for some of our maritime enforcement-type duties. One caution I would say, when we talk about response operations and drones in the airspace, so when we rolled in and were responding to Harvey, at one point we had more than 40 helicopters flying in the area with fixed wings, flying C2. First 2 days, first 36 hours, you know, the other agencies-- National Guard, Department of Defense--were falling in on our operations. When Department of Defense started coming in heavily, you know, you start having a very convoluted, clouded airspace. We had Coast Guard helicopters with aircraft stacked on top of that. Mr. Larsen. Yes. Admiral Schultz. There is an airspace deconfliction safety thing. I think there is a role for drones, an appropriate role for drones in certain times. Mr. Larsen. Yes, and I agree that the space gets conflicted, it is crowded. My point is that the technology is advancing to a point where maybe you can relieve some of that fixed-wing aircraft. Maybe you can relieve some of that rotor aircraft and use different technology to achieve the same thing. And that is just, again, looking forward. It is probably worth looking at. Admiral Schultz. Absolutely, sir. I think we are embracing the technology. We are looking at, you know, bringing unmanned systems more on board the Coast Guard. We have done some work out at sea. And like I said, I think there is definitely technological advances, as the Administrator said. I think we support that. I just caution, as we move into that space---- Mr. Larsen. Yes, yes. Admiral Schultz [continuing]. There is just some balance there to look at. Mr. Larsen. Well, the big, big issue we have is traffic management in this world on that. General, do you have any thought on that, as well? General Jackson. Sir, we have, in many cases after disasters, used unmanned surveillance to verify damages to systems, unleveed systems, or whatever, that are hard to access. In Puerto Rico, we didn't have a need. We had access to be able to get out to the sites we needed to, so we didn't need to use them. But we do have them, and have used them in the past. Mr. Larsen. Yes, I am sure. All right. Mr. Lopez, you are off the hook. You are off the hook, Mr. Lopez, I will yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman and, with that, recognize Mr. Graves for 5 minutes. Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Long, first of all, I want to say that I--I want to commend you for your testimony and your statements so far. Having been through a number of hurricanes and other disasters in a previous life, you sound like someone who has been on the ground and actually dealt with these things. And I know that we did somewhat cross paths when you were working in Alabama. But I want to urge you, as you deal with the bureaucracy, keep the perspective of focusing on people and outcomes, because we are continuing to see all sorts of challenges in recovery that I think are items that can be preventable with the right leadership. First, I know you are aware of this, but I want to remind you anyway, we did have a 1,000-year storm in Louisiana last year. It was an unnamed storm. We received more rainfall in about a 36-hour period than most Americans receive in an entire year. And we still have much devastation from that. And certainly our friends in Texas, Florida, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands need much attention and the focus of FEMA at this point, but we still have a lot of lingering concerns in Louisiana, as well. You talked about leaning forward on pre-disaster mitigation. I couldn't agree with you more. The fact that you come in and use HMGP [Hazard Mitigation Grant Program] after a disaster--statistically, that is not the way--the place where we should be investing dollars, yet it is what we do. There is a particular concern--and I understand that Chairman McCaul might have noted this. Right now, under the Stafford Act, there is a provision called duplication of benefits. There are many projects that your friend two people over, General Jackson, runs regarding the Corps of Engineers, where the Corps doesn't have sufficient funds to implement a project. Yet after a disaster you have situations where FEMA comes in and gives hundreds of millions--or, in some cases, billions--of dollars to a community for hazard mitigation, reducing flood risk or other types of hazard risk in the future. Why in the world would FEMA prevent a State, a municipality from using those dollars to finish a Corps of Engineers project that has been through cost of benefit scrutiny, been through environmental scrutiny, and is viewed as having the greatest return of investment for Federal dollars? Mr. Long. I can't speak on the individual issues that you are talking about specifically, but the issue, nationwide, is fragmented recovery when it comes from--you know, have we ever taken a look across the Federal Government as to the number of funds that come down not only from FEMA, but HUD, economic injury loans, and how we actually streamline them and use them concurrently to do the greatest good? I am all for that. Trust me, it is too confusing. And local governments and State governments have to basically hire consultants to be able to come in and help them navigate that funding. I would be happy to meet with you specifically to overcome the issues with that policy. If we are standing in the way, I don't want to do that. I want to do what is right, and I want to do what makes sense. Mr. Graves of Louisiana. This duplication of benefits issue and the way it is interpreted has some very serious flaws. I had the opportunity to meet with the chairman and the ranking member on it, and had very productive discussions there, and the subcommittee chairman, as well. There is a belief on the part of FEMA that you are going to duplicate Corps of Engineers money by using these FEMA dollars. Nobody is asking to build these projects twice. That is an idiotic response. And if we are all trying to be good stewards of Federal dollars, this just doesn't make sense. Similarly, on the duplication of benefits issue, there is a position within FEMA now that if someone applies for an SBA loan that is duplicative of, well--duplicative of a Community Development Block Grant, Disaster Recovery Grant--I don't know how people view a loan being duplicative of a grant. Those are two totally different things. And so I just want to ask if we can work together to try and resolve some of these things, because these are not in the best interest of flood victims. Mr. Long. Absolutely, and I agree with you. It is way too complex. In some cases, where does FEMA's assistance begin and end, versus some of the other agencies? We have got a lot of work to do to streamline, and I haven't had a chance to catch my breath to be able to put forward my vision of emergency management and the way we should go forward. I would be happy to work with you, because that is one of the initiatives of streamlining fragmented recovery across the Federal Government that I would love to be able to put forward. Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you. I think I could probably sit here for an hour and ask you questions. I am going to try and get two other things in real quick. Under staff--the law says that when you are applying deductions for facilities--and the law specifically says ``facilities''--that you are to deduct $500,000 per facility whenever providing assistance for schools and other flooded structures. Yet FEMA has come in and determined that a school should consist of a $500,000 deduction for a gymnasium, a storage facility, one classroom building, another classroom building, cafeterias, or whatever else. So in some cases you could have millions of dollars in deductible coming from one school facility from a community that is entirely flooded, like in Livingston Parish, Louisiana. They don't have the ability to actually reopen their schools because of this structure versus facility interpretation from FEMA. And lastly, I just want to say that on HMGP and other things, perhaps coming in and looking at ideas like a block grant, we also need to work together on housing and trailer issues. But again, I could probably sit here forever. I want to thank you for being here and urge you to keep the bold perspective. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman and now I will recognize Mrs. Napolitano for 5 minutes. Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for the witnesses for being here. I might add although today's focus is on the east coast natural disasters, I would like to acknowledge the unprecedented hardships faced by the western communities this year with historic storms in the past winter and tragic fires that we are still addressing today. The 2017 severe winter storms in California cost $1.2 billion in damages to our State and highway system that is eligible for the Federal Highway Administration's disaster relief program, but DOT is sitting on $911 million in disaster relief program funding they have not obligated to the States, plus sufficient funding to cover $4.1 billion in outstanding Federal disaster obligations owed to California through the years since 1983. DOT needs to obligate the money they already have for disaster relief, and needs to increase the funding to the Federal Highway Administration in disaster supplemental. Wildfires in California have been devastating--245,000 acres have been burned, 8,800 structures have been destroyed. In the peak of the wildfires, 11,000 firefighters battled 21 major fires that forced 100,000 people to evacuate, 43 lost their lives. And on October, the President approved a major disaster declaration. Over 300 homes were burned, a whole city was devastated. According to the California Office of Emergency Services, California has $2.1 billion in outstanding Federal disaster assistance funding that has not been allocated. We need to pass emergency supplemental that addresses the disaster assistance and prevention for the whole country. In going back to this, Administrator Long and General Jackson, can you discuss FEMA's and the Army Corps' efforts to address these happenings in California? Mr. Long. Yes, ma'am. I personally made a visit and met with Governor Brown in California regarding the wildfires. And I got to tell you the urban wildfire that impacted mostly Santa Rosa and Napa and Sonoma Counties is one of the most disturbing events I have ever seen in my career. There are actually--the last count--and I am sure it has grown--6,800 destroyed homes, and the fire was apparently moving at 200 feet per second. And I am very aware, we are there with Californians, helping them to respond and recover. When it comes to expediting funding--and, you know, here again it is a partnership--in many cases it takes three levels of Government to make sure that the money can go down. I mean I am always in this balancing act--or FEMA is--of expediting funding down quickly to activate, you know, recovery, but then also staying within OIG expectations of making sure that we are utilizing taxpaying dollars. I do believe that section 428, the pilot program within FEMA, you know, within the Stafford Act, is the way to go. I do believe that we need to do more to expedite funding down, but ensure that project controls and grant monitoring and oversight training is provided at all three levels and upheld. It has got to be more than FEMA making sure that the taxpaying dollars are being used correctly. And so I am--we are with you in helping Californians recover. Mrs. Napolitano. Well, the wildfires were not expected. So we need to expect the unexpected. And I am sure that we need to expedite the use of agencies' ability to respond immediately, due to the severity of the disasters. In other words, can we find a way to work together and eliminate--not eliminate, but waiver some of the restrictions the agencies have on certain things? Because waiting in Puerto Rico is outstanding, it is just too long. And the people are still--some of them still don't have power, they still don't have housing, they still don't have potable water. Could there be a way to be able to get some of those things done, addressed immediately? Mr. Long. I would be happy to work with you on any waiver issues that you may have. I would be happy to work with you to understand them better. Mrs. Napolitano. OK. And is the energy going to be restored to modern standards, instead of the 1950s standards? General Jackson. Ma'am, we are going to repair the system to get the power restored to the condition it was before the storm. That doesn't mean it is going to be repaired with 1950s parts; it is going to be repaired with modern parts. It is going to be repaired to current electrical code. But there is not going to be any overarching improvements to the system. For example, if a line is above ground, it is going to remain above ground. We are not going to put it below the ground. Mrs. Napolitano. Well, certainly. Mr. Chair, I would like to submit for the record some letters from the Governor of California. Mr. Shuster. Without objection, so ordered. [Letters from the State of California are on pages 179-186.] Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentlelady. Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you, gentleman. Mr. Shuster. And just--General Jackson, I spoke to General Semonite about the underground-aboveground, and he told me that some of the power lines, when they are dealing with hospitals and public safety and security, will be underground. But to do the whole system underground is just cost prohibitive. General Jackson. That is correct, Mr. Chairman. There are underground lines there now. And so those, if they have sustained damage, will be repaired and will be underground. But the vast majority of the transmission lines are above ground across the island. Mr. Shuster. Thank you very much. And with that, I recognize Mr. Weber for 5 minutes. Mr. Weber. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I represent District 14 on the Texas coast, the first three coastal counties from Louisiana. We are ground zero for Harvey flooding. Harvey was a three-rain event for us. It came in at Rockport and Corpus Christi, and we got the bad side of the wind and the rain. Then it went up above us, it rained in all the watersheds north of us. And then it moved down and back on top of us and into Louisiana. About 80,000 homes were flooded out. My guess is probably 40,000 of those people are still out of their homes. Then, to Admiral Schultz, as I criss-crossed the district, we were able to fly over with our great Coast Guard and see it firsthand. I have learned more about disaster relief that I hope I never, ever have to use again. So I appreciate you all's work. I tell people that Harvey brought the downpour, but Texans and friends and neighbors brought the outpour. And so we appreciated all that response. Ike was the forgotten hurricane. Let me tell you about our district. My district on the Texas gulf coast produces 60 percent of the Nation's jet fuel, almost 20 percent of the Nation's gasoline, east of the Rockies. We are the 13th largest exporting district out of 435 Members of Congress. We have 60 percent of the Nation's strategic petroleum reserve. We have the largest petrol chemical refinery in the Western Hemisphere, the second largest in the world. We produce a lot of gasoline and fuel, especially jet fuel. You saw fuel prices spike after Harvey. So Sabine-Neches Waterway, which has the Port of Beaumont and Port of Port Arthur on it, Port of Beaumont sends out more military personnel and equipment than any other port in the United States. That is how important this is. Sabine-Neches is shoaled in. It is extremely important--the Sabine-Neches is the second largest waterway on the gulf coast, second only to the Mississippi River. This is a hugely important district. If you added a congressional district or two north of me, then we produce 80 percent of the Nation's jet fuel, almost 40 percent of the Nation's gasoline east of the Rockies. It is a huge energy district. We dodged a bullet with Ike. Ike almost hit the Houston ship channel and brought a 20-foot wall of water up into the ship channel. Had that happened, we would have devastated the Texas energy economy, produced fuel prices--although it already did, because a lot of the refineries were shut down after Ike. And so this infrastructure, being on this committee, is extremely important. This infrastructure needs to be highlighted, how important it is. You just cannot imagine how important it is for our State, for our Nation, because it is national security. We can't--we need to fly jet planes and tanks and all kinds of things. Ike--I want to talk to Mr. Long with FEMA. There are some backlogged FEMA claims still held up from Ike. Now, let's put this in perspective. Ike landed ashore on September the 13th, 2008. We would like to see FEMA come back and pay the counties for debris removal. There is a lot of claims out there that would help make whole some of these small communities. We need to absolutely have an ounce of prevention worth a pound or, in this case, millions of pounds of cure. So I would like for you gentlemen--Mr. Long and perhaps you, Major General Jackson--to give us a white paper of three things that we could do better in preparedness to make sure we have got better infrastructure, that you work well with Texas agencies, as I-- well, all of our agencies. As I said, Mr. Long, I have learned more about disaster recovery than I thought I ever wanted to know. And you are right, Texas does a fairly good job. But we rely on the Federal Government for backup. When Ike hit we pretty much repaired our own State. The week after Ike--I call it the forgotten hurricane, because a week after Ike, the world recession came into--the bottom of the stock market fell out, the housing bubble burst, and Texas pretty much did most of the stuff on its own for Ike. So we cannot afford to do that. The Governor of Texas now has submitted a request for about $61 billion, just a few days ago, to Congress. We can do things to make the coast better. We can do things--we are going to have another hurricane. We can do things to make sure we protect our energy supply, protect our ability to get the military in and out of the Sabine-Neches Waterway. They were in the middle of an exercise, and they had to shut it down because of all the shoaling. Would you all be willing to give us just a white paper--I would go with you, too, Admiral Schultz--three things we could do better to prevent this in the future? Mr. Long. Absolutely. General Jackson. Yes, sir. Admiral Schultz. Likewise, sir. [The U.S. Coast Guard has provided the following three ways that the Service can improve disaster response preparedness:] Three ways the Coast Guard could improve preparedness to respond to disasters such as the hurricanes of 2017 are: Rebuild Facilities to Modern Resiliency Standards: At a minimum, the Coast Guard must rebuild its damaged shore infrastructure to pre-hurricane conditions, but more importantly the Coast Guard should rebuild with a focus on resiliency to withstand damage from future events to ensure uninterrupted response operations. The hurricane supplemental request the administration provided to Congress is sufficient to restore Coast Guard's depleted operational response costs and repair our damaged infrastructure to pre-existing conditions, but additional funding would be needed to invest in Coast Guard facilities to meet modern resiliency standards. Restore Readiness: While the Coast Guard was able to meet the Nation's call responding to all three disasters this past year, this response has a cost. Operational missions, patrols, and training were canceled, additional unplanned hours and fatigue were incurred on Coast Guard ships and aircraft, and increased maintenance and repair will be required. All of this erodes the Coast Guard's future readiness without adequate resourcing. Like the other armed services, the Coast Guard has experienced significant deterioration in readiness, and its aging assets are in dire need of operations and maintenance restoration until recapitalization of these capital assets can occur. But unlike the other armed services, the Coast Guard has not been included in efforts to rebuild and restore military readiness simply because most of the Coast Guard's budget does not fall under the ``defense funding'' umbrella. The Coast Guard's budget is not protected within the ``non-defense funding'' category, requiring the Service to compete with every other Federal discretionary account to merely sustain critical operations. Grow the Coast Guard to Meet Increasing Manpower Requirements: The Coast Guard needs to grow by 5,000 Active Duty members and 1,100 Reservists over the next 5 years to meet increasing mission demands and effectively respond to contingent events. The Coast Guard must be ready to respond at all times and that demands a full strength and highly trained workforce. Unlike the other Armed Forces, the Coast Guard does not garrison its forces, and during contingency responses it must take forces from the front-line. The Coast Guard has been relied heavily upon to support man- made and natural disaster responses, most recently associated with the 2017 hurricanes. While the current Reserve workforce was able to support the immediate response to these hurricanes, the Coast Guard does not have the ``bench strength'' necessary to maintain surge operations for an extended period of time. Mr. Weber. Mr. Chairman, I yield back 7 seconds. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. With that I recognize Mr. Sires from New Jersey for 5 minutes. Mr. Sires. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for holding this meeting. Thank you for all the work that you do. I represent the Eighth District of New Jersey, which is across from New York City, Hoboken, Jersey City, the whole area that was hit pretty hard by Sandy. And I hope that we can work together on streamlining this whole mitigation process, because I have been working for the last 5 years on a project, trying to get something from FEMA that was rejected. Tell them why, then you appeal, they say you are still rejected, they don't tell why. It is not a big project, but the response is just ridiculous. And it takes forever to get a response. So I hope that we can work together on that. But my question has to do with Puerto Rico, and I hope you can help me determine this. I know that New Jersey has sent State troopers through to Puerto Rico, and I have some--that I have spoken with. Pretty lawless over there now. And I was wondering. Do you have an input, do you determine, or do you have a recommendation on how many National Guards are sent to a site like Puerto Rico? When you get there do you maybe--do you say, well, we don't have enough National Guards? Do you also-- -- Mr. Long. We would be happy to get you the specific number that was there pre---- Mr. Sires. Well, there are 4,000 there now. Mr. Long. Yes, so---- Mr. Sires. There are 4,000 there. But I don't know if it is enough. What I am saying is when you are there and you see how bad the situation is, do you pick up the phone and say to somebody, look, I think we need more help, or you don't say anything, or you don't have the authority, or you don't talk to anybody. Mr. Long. Sure. So right now in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands we have roughly 20,000 Federal--that is civilian and DoD--officials on the island. Now, if you put that number into context, 20,000 people is like the average population of most American cities. We have deployed, basically, an entire city's worth of Federal Government workers to the island. Now, there are thousands of DoD officials there, in conjunction with the National Guard. But I would be happy to get you a specific number. Mr. Sires. OK. No, because one of the things that I was talking to the State trooper from New Jersey, he says it is pretty lawless. And I was just wondering if the people that you have down there, are they safe in some of these areas? Mr. Long. I--you know, I would be happy to look into the lawlessness piece, but I have not heard that. Now, is there everyday crime that takes place, as normal in Puerto Rico? Probably so. But I have not seen lawlessness. And quite honestly, you know, one of the things that-- because of the response effort, we kept security in check, you know, after Maria went through. I am not aware of what you would determine as lawlessness. Mr. Sires. Well, I mean, just a State trooper would not lie to me. I mean I know him pretty well. And there are a number of them there. But if you could get that information for me about the National Guard, because I think that is important. And I think you should--if you are there on site, and you can make a recommendation that maybe we don't have enough, you know, I think that would be great. Mr. Long. Absolutely. And, you know, I speak with Governor Rossello on a regular basis. And not only that, but we have constant communication with all 78 mayors that are there. And in addition to that, we have over 100 intergovernmental representatives embedded with all the mayors in Puerto Rico on a day-in and day-out basis. So we use them as sensors to make sure that we are trying to do everything that needs to be done. Mr. Sires. Well, and as far as trying to streamline, you can count on my support on streamlining, because it is just very frustrating dealing--when you have a situation as bad as you have had in some of these areas, and you get very little response, and it takes forever--I mean this is 5 years later that I am dealing with this. And I know he was talking about 8 years ago, you know, 8 years later. And one of my pet peeves--I will finish--I don't know if you have anything to do with this, but I just hate these airlines. They charge you $900, $1,000 for people to come to the States, and $90, $100 to go there. And you might not have anything to do with it, it might not be your responsibility, but I think we should look at this. Because I have about 80,000 people from Puerto Rico in my district. And one of the things that they are trying to do is alleviate the situation that the family has. And they are telling me that they are charging $900, $1,000 to come to the United States, when it is only $90 or $120 to go to the island. I think that is something that this committee should look at. I am not saying that you should. You got enough on your plate. Thank you very much. Mr. Davis [presiding]. The Chair recognizes Mr. Mast from Florida for 5 minutes. Mr. Mast. Thank you, Chairman, and thank you all for your testimony. I will be brief with my questions. As you, General Jackson, you know, we have had conversations before. My district is a ground zero for stormwater across the breadth of Florida. Whenever we have a hurricane coming through there or several hurricanes, water goes towards the Kissimmee River from the breadth of Florida. It flows down into Lake Okeechobee, and then it flows into my backyard. This is largely freshwater and it goes into our saltwater estuaries. So I want to ask a little bit about this in terms of emergency response, this in the context of emergency response and what goes on there. Vice Admiral Schultz, you did speak about your role as responding to oil, chemical, and hazardous material spills. And in your purview, does stormwater ever fall into hazardous material? Or in your purview have you ever seen that be something that falls in there? Admiral Schultz. Sir, I do not have much expertise in that stormwater piece of that. Generally it would be a vessel that would bring us out to a site. We work very closely with EPA. And in that type of situation, we would come out generally to remediate, you know, oil on a vessel, other type of hazardous chemicals on a vessel. The actual stormwater, testing of stormwater, generally I am not familiar with that being our--I am not sure if my EPA colleague has something to add to that, or not. Mr. Mast. Trying to look for clarity on hazardous--really, for--take it from any of you, clarity on hazardous materials. Admiral Schultz. Hazardous material in a wet, maritime environment generally brings out attention out there, and we do get involved with that under ESF-10. And, like I said, from a vessel standpoint, there are 3,600-plus vessels. Down in Katrina there are different hazmat things that have floated into the city that drew our attention. So I think it depends on the specifics, sir, and we will certainly work with your staff to understand if there is something particular you are looking at. We will try to be responsive---- Mr. Mast. Quite often the case for us is the conversation of algal blooms, which often are transferred as a result of flood control--it is in the name of flood control--because we do have an aging and failing dike there. But it leaves another area with a great deal of debris of very harmful algal blooms, often very harmful to human life, certainly harmful to sea life. And so that is the issue we face. I would hope that we could have a conversation, perhaps as a group, about this at a future date. Admiral Schultz. Thank you. Mr. Mast. With that, I will yield back. Thank you. Mr. Davis. The gentleman from California, Mr. Garamendi, is recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. Garamendi. I thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the witnesses and the work that you are doing. I have three different questions. First to FEMA, Mr. Long, the disaster recovery program-- excuse me, the disaster response. You have adjusted the cost- sharing requirements for disaster aid for Texas and Florida, as a result of the recent hurricanes. California has had a recent disaster. Do you intend to also adjust for California the cost- sharing requirements for the emergency aid? Mr. Long. So it depends. There are a couple things. The 90/ 10 cost-share is triggered and there is a formula that is set forth by procurement of the Post-Katrina Emergency Management Reform Act. And here again I can submit specifically to you how that formula works. But basically, if I remember correctly, if the damage cost is $140 per person for the entire population of California, then that basically triggers the 90/10 cost share. Mr. Garamendi. We will work with you on that. The disaster recovery program, a couple of our colleagues have already raised this question about past Presidential disasters and the FEMA's IOUs to State and local government for the Federal cost- share in the recovery. And that is infrastructure repair, and so forth. Do you intend to request in the upcoming emergency appropriation bill sufficient money to cover past Presidential declarations and the local and State recovery money that is owed to them? Mr. Long. Right now I don't have an understanding of the issue specifically that you are referring---- Mr. Garamendi. It has been raised by three of my colleagues here, and this has to do with past emergencies declared by the President in which local governments have put up their 25 percent and have paid for the recovery of various infrastructure, and FEMA has yet to pay the 75 percent Federal share of that recovery work. Mr. Long. I would be happy to look into it. Mr. Garamendi. If you would, we think there is about $5 billion owed to the State of California for past Presidential declarations. You heard from Texas just a moment ago and, similarly, most every State where there has been a Presidential declaration. My understanding is what has happened is you have had little enough money to deal with the emergencies and the response to the emergencies. And therefore, you have delayed payment on these IOUs. So if you would look into that, I would appreciate it. Mr. Long. Yes, sir. Mr. Garamendi. Coast Guard, you are at about $1.8 billion in infrastructure damage as a result of the hurricanes. Is that correct? Admiral Schultz. Congressman, as a result of the hurricanes, this season here may be a little carryover--about $70 million--from 2016, Matthew. I would say we are at about $1.1 billion, $2 billion, $3 billion, somewhere in that range. Mr. Garamendi. OK. How do you expect to get that money to rebuild the infrastructure? Admiral Schultz. Well, sir---- Mr. Garamendi. This is infrastructure that is being used that has been damaged, in some cases not even available for us. Admiral Schultz. Yes, sir, Congressman. There are more than 40 facilities that have been damaged here in the recent round of storms. We, at the request of OMB, through our parent department, the Department of Homeland Security, have submitted our needs. That number is, again, a number north of $1 billion. It is working through the Department. I am not sure if it has left the---- Mr. Garamendi. I believe you have also submitted information to the subcommittee of this--the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Subcommittee of this committee, and we will work with you on trying to secure that funding, and it is out there. You have also had an extraordinary expense in the immediate emergency response. How much have you spent in the immediate emergency response for the three hurricanes? Admiral Schultz. Well, sir, like I said, that number, that billion-plus number there, there is about half-a-billion that I believe is actual hard facility costs. There were some damages to our aircraft. There are, you know, other wear-and-tear type things. There are personnel costs in there. That collectively gets you to that number that is north of---- Mr. Garamendi. Ongoing operational costs are what I am referring to. Admiral Schultz. Ongoing operational costs, sir? Mr. Garamendi. I guess my point is that my understanding from the information that we have received is that the Coast Guard has spent into its annual appropriations to deal with the emergencies, and you may have a shortfall for the remainder of the current fiscal year. Admiral Schultz. Yes, sir. I think---- Mr. Garamendi. I am curious how you are going to backfill, or if you will be--if you need to backfill that amount of money. If so, then we need to know so that when there--the new emergency appropriation bill goes through, that we include in that bill the Coast Guard. Admiral Schultz. Yes, sir. I think if you look at, sir, where we were at the close of a fiscal year, at the end of September to 1 October, we deferred things in our operating and maintenance class. We deferred a $7 billion contract to replace 19 small operational boats. We had to make decisions as you close out the fiscal year in a responsible way to do that. So there are some things. There is deferred maintenance, and that stuff plays forward. And we can work with you, sir, on those specifics. Mr. Garamendi. We would appreciate specific information so that we can work on the appropriation, the emergency appropriation. Finally, I am really curious how we are going to pay for all of this. I believe we just made a major move here in this House to significantly reduce the Federal revenues. It is called tax cuts. I will let it go at that, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. With that, I recognize Dr. Babin for 5 minutes. Dr. Babin. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, witnesses, for being here. My district is in east Texas, as well, dovetails right in with Congressman Weber, who--we actually have the dubious honor of having the continental rainfall record in one single storm in my district, District 36. I also have more petrochemical refining facilities than any other district in the country. I have Port of Houston, a lot of damage, a lot of siltation and shoaling. And we certainly need to have some of these funds for disaster. But my biggest concern here--and I direct this to General Jackson, or really, anybody who can answer this--a lot of tough questions had to be made during this storm, and will have to be made in the future by local river authorities and water jurisdictions with regards to lowering reservoir levels prior to the onset of a predictable flood event, so that we can save lives and property for those who are down below these dams. However, at locations that are under the authority and jurisdiction of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, or FERC, because of their proximity and relationship to federally managed hydropower facilities, these local river authorities have told me that they believe they are basically powerless to make these critical decisions that have to do with lives and property. I have heard more about this issue from constituents over on the east side of my district, in Texas, than any other area. And I have here a resolution that was recently passed by the Cameron Parish Police Jury in Louisiana to demonstrate that these issues are often not limited to just one State. And I would like to submit this for the record, Mr. Chairman. What are your thoughts on a solution to these issues? And could the Army Corps perhaps find a role as the arbiter between FERC and local authorities when these decisions need to be made, or possibly do you see a need for an interagency process to steer these decisions? For example, a process by which the Corps, local river authorities, and FERC all might have a voice in developing more flood storage capacity or lowering these lake levels when we have a known flood event about to occur. [The resolution from the Cameron Parish Police Jury is on pages 187-188.] General Jackson. Yes, Congressman, I appreciate that question. You know, water management is always a very controversial issue. We don't have any authority over FERC, but we work very closely with FERC on water management across the Nation. I think there is always room for continued dialogue, especially as situations in a watershed change over time. To help us make better informed decisions on how we manage water, how we manage the releases, there are significant advances in meteorology that have given us better forecasting capability that allow us to see events coming and better understand what is going to happen in the basin. I would be happy, sir, to get with you and your staff---- Dr. Babin. I would love that. General Jackson [continuing]. And better understand some of the concerns, the information that you have, engage with FERC, and then, with FERC, come and see you and have a discussion on what we can do. Dr. Babin. Well, these poor folks that are with these river authorities have their hands tied. And they don't--the people that live below and lose their property and some lives, some of them are ready to take up arms. I mean this is how angry these folks are, and blaming the river authorities, when really it is a protocol, it is a guideline from the Federal Government. Who can make these decisions? We had a terrible flood on the Sabine River the year before last, and we asked these questions we could not get answers to. So I want to have some answers. Do you know how we could amend these protocols? General Jackson. Sir, let me get with your staff offline and we will figure out specifically which issues are most concerning. I understand the general issue that you are talking about, and I want to be able to get with FERC offline, make sure they are aware of the concerns, and then come in together and lay it all out for you so it is not confusing. And we can think about what we need to do next. Dr. Babin. Yes, indeed. I appreciate that. Anybody else want to have anything they want to add about that? OK. Well, with that, I will yield back, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Mr. Shuster [presiding]. I thank the gentleman. And then, with that, I recognize Mr. Johnson for 5 minutes. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Back in September, the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico were devastated by a 150-mile-per-hour category 4 hurricane that inflicted damage that was described as being catastrophic. A humanitarian disaster was unfolding with food and water being unavailable, and communications being cut off. And there was a sense of desperation among the people of the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. And it was during that time period that the mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico, Carmen Yulin Cruz, became a public voice of the frustration being felt by the people of Puerto Rico. And Administrator Long, on or about October the 8th you are reported to have stated, ``We filtered out the mayor a long time ago. We don't have time for political noise.'' Is that your statement? Mr. Long. Poor choice of words under a lot of stress. Yes, sir. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. What did you mean when you said you had filtered out the mayor? Mr. Long. As I said, it was a poor choice of words. The bottom line is that we were under tremendous stress at the time, and---- Mr. Johnson of Georgia. I understand that. Mr. Long [continuing]. Then the rapid-fire questions of the media and everything---- Mr. Johnson of Georgia. I appreciate the stress that you all were working under, and I appreciate your efforts. Mr. Long. Right. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. But what did you mean when you said you had filtered her out? Mr. Long. Bottom line is that any time we are going through--unity of effort is what is required. At the time, the mayor refused to be a part of the joint field office organization that we had to ensure a unified effort. There are over 78 mayors in Puerto Rico that---- Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Did you---- Mr. Long. Do you mind if I answer the question? Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Well, I do, but I have limited time, and that is why I am interrupting you. Did you freeze the mayor out of those discussions with the other mayors? Mr. Long. No, Congressman, we did not. She had---- Mr. Johnson of Georgia. You didn't mean that when you said that you had filtered her out. Mr. Long. That is not true. As I said, it was a poor choice of words. And specifically, we have had staff embedded with her basically since Maria exited. I have one of my best Federal coordinating officers there right now, as we speak, along with intergovernmental staff that has been embedded with her and all the other mayors, if they choose. Those are only two mayors that have chosen not to have my staff in there. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. And she was one of them? Mr. Long. No, she was not. We---- Mr. Johnson of Georgia. So she---- Mr. Long. But all the other mayors have been regularly---- Mr. Johnson of Georgia. So she--Mayor Cruz has been trying to cooperate with FEMA, but she has been critical of the response. And I would note that, you know, 75 percent of the people in Puerto Rico to this day are still without power. Isn't that correct? Mr. Long. Yes, sir. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. And what about in the Virgin Islands, same situation exists? Mr. Long. There are many without power in the Virgin Islands as well, yes, sir. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. And so, when people complain about it, is it the Trump administration's muscular approach now to critics that you can vocalize your frustration? Do you feel that that is appropriate for a person in your position to make those kinds of assertions about publicly elected officials who are only trying to serve the public that they are elected to represent? Mr. Long. At the end of the day I believe the mayor of San Juan and I share the same goal, and that is to help people. I didn't take this job to step on people, by any means. I have spent two decades as an emergency manager, dedicating my career to taking care of a lot of people. You don't---- Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Yes, you have a long history as a professional in emergency management, and I deeply respect it. Mr. Long. Thank you. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Let me ask this question. In restoring the electrical grid, I know that some of my colleagues have asked a question about the suitability of going underground with power lines. And it has been stated that it is cost-prohibitive and, in certain cases, the terrain does not lend itself to undergrounding. What I want to know is are there any cost estimates that back up that assertion that it is cost-prohibitive with respect to laying in underground utilities in Puerto Rico? Mr. Long. That is a great question. My authorities are limited in what we can do by the Stafford Act when it comes to making improvements, particularly when there are deferred maintenance issues on the power grid. It is a very antiquated system that was not working before the storm that we are having to fix underneath my emergency authorities. But when it comes to the permanent work of repairing that power facility, it is going to take an act from Congress that is far greater than my authority to be able to rebuild in a more resilient fashion so that we do not go through this collectively, as a Nation, ever again. Mr. Shuster. The gentleman's time has expired. Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. Mr. Davis is recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. Davis. Thank you. Administrator Long, did you have anything else you might want to add on the interactions with the mayor that my colleague asked about? Mr. Long. Negative. Well, I take that back. Look, uniformity of effort is definitely what is needed. My goal is to support the Governors. I mean I talked to Governor Rossello, Governor Mapp. There was one day when I spoke to seven Governors from California to the Virgin Islands to ensure response and recovery priorities and making sure that we are meeting the mark. And we embedded--we realized that there was not an emergency management infrastructure in place at the local level in Puerto Rico, and we proactively have embedded a lot of staff in each one of those offices to make sure that the mayors have a voice back to what needs to be done. Mr. Davis. Thank you. Thank you. General Jackson, as you are fully aware, there has been a lot of discussion among members of this committee about the Corps' implementation of section 408 permissions. From my end, you know, a lot of those concerns deal with section 408 permissions on non-Federal levees. First, can you tell me how many miles of levees will need to be repaired, modified, or rebuilt, due to the recent hurricanes and storms? General Jackson. Congressman, I don't have, off the top of my head, the miles of levee. But I know that they have been addressed in our submission for damage estimates to the administration. But I can pull that information and get that to you. Mr. Davis. Is there a different process that the Corps uses for section 408 permissions in the aftermath of a disaster, to expedite them? General Jackson. Congressman, if a levee is damaged and the Corps repairs it under Public Law 84-99, a section 408 permission is not required. Mr. Davis. OK. Do you think there are many levees that will be repaired by the Federal Government that will not fall under that provision? General Jackson. Perhaps there will be. Mr. Davis. Will there be an expedited process to go through the section 408s? General Jackson. The section 408 process itself has obviously been under a lot of criticism. And we have looked inwardly in the Corps to determine how can we improve the responsiveness of section 408s. And we have waived and changed a lot of the provisions that we have had before, such as the percentage design requirement not requiring section 408s for more routine operation and maintenance-type activities, trying to eliminate environmental reviews for section 408s that are redundant with other types of environmental reviews, and we have worked very hard to power down the decisionmaking authority to the lowest level. So it is below the district commander, now, all the way down to a responsible GS-15, like the chief of engineering and construction at a district, to allow for greater responsiveness. Mr. Davis. So there is a great responsiveness at the district level. Are you noticing that when you implement these internal changes, are the districts uniform in implementation? General Jackson. It is going to be really interesting. We like to call them geographically tailored solutions. And the reason I say that is there is going to be some difference when you have 41 districts all doing something; we have given autonomy to them to do it as fast as they can, we are using the right engineering standards, there is going to be differences of opinion. There is difference in topography, difference in projects. They are not all the same. So there will be some differences, but I am not going to call them inconsistencies anymore. I am going to call them geographically tailored solutions. Mr. Davis. That is a good paraphrase, I guess. We will look forward to working with you. And obviously, we will bring up the geographical whatever exclusions--inclusion, however you called it--when we see some discrepancies. But I do appreciate you really looking at the section 408 process, because, obviously, it needed to be--needed to have some changes. And thank you for that. Administrator Long, it is great to see you again. You were in my office not too long ago--I appreciate that--long before the storms. And I think you have done the yeoman's work in doing everything you can to address many of the issues that we have heard about today, especially from our colleagues who represent those areas that have been hit. I know we are talking about the hurricanes today, but you and I talked about a bill that I had, which is the Disaster Declaration Improvement Act, that would allow FEMA to utilize more localized impacts when determining whether or not an area that had been hit by a disaster would be eligible for Federal disaster assistance. As we move ahead on this, you know, this bill actually passed the House in May, 425 to nothing. We are not going to stop. As you see these storms hit, you see many storms hit areas in the Midwest even. How can you tell me how those localized impacts can be taken into consideration by FEMA in the future to better assess true disasters, and whether or not States and localities can cover their costs in absence of the Federal Government? Mr. Long. Here again it goes back to the Stafford Act. In many cases, small communities can have devastating storms, but the overall statewide impact doesn't meet the indicators that would say Federal assistance is down the road. I hear you loud and clear. I would like to continue to work with you on how we can work through those issues. Mr. Davis. Well, we will do that. And just like--you know, it seems even smaller storms--not the ones we are talking about today--once the disaster happens, the communities come together, agencies come together, clean up, and then we forget about the underlying policies that may have led to some heartaches during that storm process and recovery process. So we will work together when you get to catch your breath. Thank you all, and I yield back. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. I now recognize the gentleman from New York, Mr. Maloney. Mr. Maloney. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I read an article in Travel Weekly about the response of private U.S. airlines to the disaster. I would ask unanimous consent that it be entered in the record. Hearing no objection? Mr. Shuster. Hearing no objections, so ordered. [The Travel Weekly article is on pages 189-191.] Mr. Maloney. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, I am going to have some questions that are going to sound critical, but I want you to understand they actually are not. And I think that will become clear. First of all, I did have the opportunity to go to Puerto Rico 2\1/2\ weeks after the storm with Congressman Smucker and a bunch of other Members. We saw firsthand the extraordinary work and dedication of the men and women of FEMA, of the Coast Guard, Lord knows, the Army Corps of Engineers, and all the other responders. So thank you, first and foremost. In particular, Admiral Schultz, a constituent of mine--I have got a bunch of constituents who had family there, very concerned. One gentleman in particular named Doug McHoul from Hopewell Junction, New York, was very concerned about his parents, who own a bed and breakfast. Your folks actually located them and put them in touch specifically for him. That was great for his family. I want to thank you for that, publicly. General Jackson, here is the deal. On this power grid issue, the bottom line is you guys don't normally do that, do you, after a storm? General Jackson. That is correct, we don't normally do that. Mr. Maloney. And the reason you don't normally do that is because States normally have emergency mutual assistance compacts with other States. Isn't that right? General Jackson. That is correct. Yes, sir. Mr. Maloney. And so private crews from other power companies show up within the days after a storm and flood the zone, if you will, and put those wires back up. Isn't that right? General Jackson. That is correct, yes---- Mr. Maloney. And those agreements contemplate reimbursement to those power companies by the power company in the jurisdiction affected. Is that right? General Jackson. Yes, sir. Mr. Maloney. Right. And so, when the Administrator says that you are--I believe his term was mission-assigned that task, that is a polite way of saying that got landed on your plate, but you don't normally do it. Right? General Jackson. That is correct, sir. Mr. Maloney. And so, when you say that within--by the third week of October you had awarded contracts on that, unfortunately that is a month after landfall, right? General Jackson. Yes, sir. Mr. Maloney. And a month went by without power for the vast majority of the island's population, while we are still sorting out who is going to do it. And then we award those contracts a few weeks later. We know all about the Whitefish stuff, I don't want to get into that. But the fact of the matter is today your testimony, I believe, was that we now have Fluor and PowerSecure and some other companies--I am very familiar with Fluor, I understand these are very capable entities--and that we have about 300 pieces of rolling stock, I think you said, that are on their way to the island. Is that right? General Jackson. Sir, if I may, we have 450 Corps of Engineers employees and contractors doing the temporary emergency power mission, which is what began after Irma's landfall and continues and will continue until the grid is restored. Today we have over 150 contractors from Fluor and PowerSecure that are on the ground. Mr. Maloney. Right. General Jackson. Mostly---- Mr. Maloney. You are talking about individuals. General Jackson. I am talking individuals. Mr. Maloney. But in terms of the rolling stock, I think you said 300 pieces are en route? General Jackson. Sir, there are two vessels that are due in within the next week, one this weekend and one on the 7th of November. Each has about 300 pieces of rolling stock for those individual contractors. So when---- Mr. Maloney. Each? Each has about 300 pieces of rolling---- General Jackson. That is correct. Yes, sir. Mr. Maloney. So we are talking about 600 pieces of rolling stock. How many crews does that equate to, do you know? General Jackson. We should have 108 crews on the ground the first part of next week. Mr. Maloney. 108? General Jackson. And by the 25th of November we will have 181 crews. We have gotten approval and we are working through the action right now to increase those numbers. Mr. Maloney. I understand that, General, but my---- General Jackson. That---- Mr. Maloney. So if I may, sir, I understand that. I had an opportunity to speak to the Governor of Puerto Rico yesterday, Governor Rossello. We were all together in Puerto Rico 2 weeks after the storm. At that time, Brigadier General Holland, who is your senior commander on the island, told us there were about 200 crews available, and they were going to double it through these private contracting to 400. You may recall I had the opportunity to ask this question here in the auditorium a couple days later. General Jackson. Yes, sir. Mr. Maloney. And your answer to me was that we were going to surge that to whatever the level was needed. But here, as we sit here, 6 weeks after landfall, the Governor of Puerto Rico told me yesterday, sir, that the number of crews he has on the island right now is 400, and he needs 2,000. He needs, minimum, 2,000 crews--not individuals, crews-- to get that power grid up. Now, I know it is not normally your job, and I know we got a couple hundred pieces of rolling stock that are going to get there at some point. And I know we got a few hundred individuals on the island. But, for God's sakes, we are nowhere near the resource level we need, are we, to get that power grid back up, because the mutual assistance compacts that are normally in effect aren't working. Isn't that right? General Jackson. They are not working, sir, because they weren't requested until this week. Mr. Maloney. In fact, Puerto Rico has an emergency mutual assistance compact, does it not? General Jackson. Yes, sir, they do. Mr. Maloney. It is a signatory. It was said here earlier that they weren't in place. But that is not true, is it? They are in place. General Jackson. No, they are in place, sir, but they were never---- Mr. Maloney. It is just that the power companies from other States aren't responding---- General Jackson. Excuse me, if I may, they were---- Mr. Maloney [continuing]. Isn't that right? General Jackson [continuing]. In place. They were available, but the Governor chose not to activate them until this week. Mr. Maloney. But isn't the issue that the power companies that would have had to respond were worried about reimbursed? Isn't that really the issue, General? General Jackson. That I can't answer. Mr. Maloney. Fair enough, fair enough. But do you agree with me that right now we have maybe--maybe--20 percent of the resources, strand wire and running cable, that we need to get that power grid back up? General Jackson. Sir, we have resources that are flowing in as fast as we can get them in, and---- Mr. Maloney. That wasn't my question. Respectfully, General, that was not my question. We have about 20 percent, maybe, of the resources we need to get the power grid back up. General Jackson. Congressman, I don't know what the number of resources are, in terms of the overall---- Mr. Maloney. You disagree with the Governor that he needs 2,000? General Jackson. We are still doing the assessments that we need to determine what the resources are, at the same time we are flowing in as many resources as we can physically---- Mr. Maloney. You disagree with the Governor's assessment that he needs 2,000 and we have got 400? General Jackson. I would like to see the Governor's assessment on what is driving 2,000. I know we need to get crews in faster, and are working to do that, but I don't know what the Governor said, I don't know what he is judging 2,000 crews on. But we are working very diligently to get as many as we can under the authority that we have to be---- Mr. Shuster. The gentleman's time has expired. General Jackson [continuing]. Able to address the problems in Puerto Rico, and we are---- Mr. Maloney. I appreciate that. And I want to reiterate I understand this is not normally your responsibility. And thank you for your efforts. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. And with that, Governor Sanford, you are recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. Sanford. I thank the chairman. I would like to follow up on the interchange that I just heard. Because whether it is 300 crews, 400 crews, 2,000 crews, whatever number of rolling stock, I think the question is how do you get more there faster. And so I guess my question would be to the Administrator, to the admiral. And there was, as we all know, a 10-day repeal, if you will, of the Jones Act in an effort to get more things to Puerto Rico quicker and cheaper. Would it help if that repeal was reinstated? I guess I would ask that first of you, Mr. Administrator. And second to you, Mr. Admiral. Mr. Long. We constantly evaluate with the Department of Homeland Security and our partners at Customs and Border Protection. If there are any issues that we can't seem to get any U.S.-flagged vessels in to bring, whether it is commodities, fuels, or whatever else to the island---- Mr. Sanford. I am just asking for a yes or no. Would it help, or not? Mr. Long. At this point I don't believe it would help the way that---- Mr. Sanford. You don't think it would. Admiral, what is your thought? Admiral Schultz. Congressman, I would echo the Administrator's words. Currently I believe there are sufficient vessels to deliver the commodities to Puerto Rico. So my answer is no, I don't believe there is a need for a Jones Act waiver at this time. Mr. Sanford. So then neither of you care about the cost of doing so. Because there are finite dollars in addressing the issue in Puerto Rico, and what, you know, the U.S. International Trade Commission has said is, in essence, the Jones Act represents about a 65-percent surcharge on cost of goods sold going into Puerto Rico. So what you would say is yes, we may have enough in the way of capacity, but it is at a much greater cost. And neither of you care about the cost? Admiral Schultz. Congressman, I would say on the Jones Act, sir, that is a law that is nearly 100 years on the books. There are many complexities, in terms of national security, there are complexities with economic factors with the U.S. Fleet that I think would have to be approached very thoughtfully. Mr. Sanford. OK, but that is not really answering the question. It is indisputable that it is at a higher cost. And you are saying that cost shouldn't be factored in, in getting finite resources into Puerto Rico? Admiral Schultz. Sir, I believe the cost, when you are dealing with U.S. Fleets, there is reasons for that cost. They tie back to the safety management systems and structures on that ship. So there is a cost, but with that cost comes factors that factor into the broader whole conversation. You can't--you know, obviously, doing things in Puerto Rico at the most efficient cost is a consideration. The Jones Act is a--it has a longstanding, you know, almost a 100-year history, sir, of why---- Mr. Sanford. I understand that, but it is also why the President repealed it for 10 days, because, based on cost and availability, they said we have got to get aid. But what we have seen is this is a much longer rolling crisis in Puerto Rico than people would have presupposed. And consequently, wouldn't it make sense to again enact that repeal for a longer time period so that more aid at a lower cost could go into Puerto Rico? You say no---- Admiral Schultz. I would say my understanding was the 10- day repeal was to make sure there was an availability of platform ships to meet the immediate commodities delivery need. Administrator, I am not sure if you have anything to add to that. Mr. Long. I would agree. I believe that that question is beyond FEMA's authority to make that decision. I believe that decision lies with you. Mr. Sanford. Well, it doesn't lie with me, it lies with the President. But I think it is instructive, because both of you all, as I understand it, requested that waiver of the President at the--you know, prior to the 10-day repeal. Am I mistaken in that belief? Admiral Schultz. Sir, I believe that waiver was triggered by the Secretary of Defense for purposes of national security for that short duration period. Mr. Sanford. OK. Admiral Schultz. And then that process is through the Secretary of Homeland---- Mr. Sanford. But you all did not object at that time. Admiral Schultz. Sir---- Mr. Sanford. You thought it was a good idea. Admiral Schultz. Sir, at the time it was a decision by the administration that we supported. Yes, sir. Mr. Sanford. You supported it, and FEMA, if I am not mistaken---- Mr. Long. Yes, sir. Mr. Sanford [continuing]. You all supported it, as well. So my simple question goes back again to the backlog that we were just listening to in that interchange. Given the fact that this crisis has lasted much longer than people would have presupposed, given that there is a higher cost to people in Puerto Rico in bringing aid and armament--if you want to think about it in defense terms--then why wouldn't it be a good idea to extend, in essence, that moratorium or repeal, whatever you want to call it? And both of you are saying, well, I--you know, it is outside my pay grade, I am just asking for your recommendation, because you all are seeing firsthand the degree of hardship and plight that the people of Puerto Rico have seen. And therefore, I would see that anything that would help the situation down there--and particularly dollars are finite. And if you can get more throughput at a lower cost, that would ultimately be good for the people of Puerto Rico. I don't know why you all wouldn't support that idea and push for it. Admiral Schultz. Congressman, I would echo the Administrator, that I believe that is a choice of Congress. The Jones Act has been in the books, it serves many different purposes. Cost response for Puerto Rico is a consideration. That may be something that would factor into any discussions about whether the Jones Act remained in effect and was eventually repealed. Mr. Sanford. If I might, just for 1 more second? Mr. Shuster. You have got 15 seconds. Mr. Sanford. Yes, sir. That seems such a push answer, respectfully. I get--you can throw it back to Congress. But what I am asking, given that you all are on the front lines, is what is your opinion. I want to make sure both of you think leaving it alone is best for the people of Puerto Rico. Admiral Schultz. Congressman, in full respect, sir, I am saying obviously, as a responder, we care about helping those in need, as--you know, as best possible. I would say determinations such as the Jones Act have many layers of complexity and political considerations of that. Ultimately, this expenditure of dollars is not in my lane, outside of what I do with monies appropriated to the Coast Guard. And I guess, politely, I am pushing that back, sir, that I think it is a consideration for the Congress. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. Mr. DeFazio and I are going to take another round of questions, but we will go back and forth, Democrat, Republican. So I am going to go to Mr. DeFazio first, and then Mr. Perry, and then I will finish up. So Mr. DeFazio is recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. That--I am going to provide you a copy of this. This is the last definitive study on whether or not there are additional costs, and whether or not Puerto Rico would benefit from the loss of the Jones Act. And, in fact, basically, it says they wouldn't, because they wouldn't have regularly scheduled shipping, they would be at the whim of the international lines, who aren't very interested in a little tiny market like Puerto Rico with regular service from Jacksonville. No, no, no, I am sorry. You can--after you read this, we can have a discussion. But the bottom line is I asked was any shipment delayed, you know, or denied because of the Jones Act, and the definitive answer from the Coast Guard and FEMA was no. So let's not create a myth here, pursuing an ideological agenda which would both undermine national security, probably deprive the people of Puerto Rico of a good shipping service and other things. And I am also going to put a copy of this in the record. So these are facts. And I know we have fake facts these days, but these are real facts. And let's move on from there. So, the--I am curious about this mutual aid thing. The Governor is alleging that FEMA told him that because he had-- because the Corps was designated to restore power, that he could not execute the mutual aid. Are you aware that anybody in your agency told him that? [The U.S. Government Accountability Office report referenced by Congressman DeFazio is on pages 192-237.] Mr. Long. I am not aware of that, no. Mr. DeFazio. OK. So we are--we have to get to the bottom of that. But that is his claim that that is why he didn't execute it. And the mutual aid, obviously, is less expensive than a couple of contracts, which I mentioned already, these no-bid contracts that Puerto Rico entered into. So we will have to get to the bottom of that. And to one other quick question, do you have--I mean you gave us a litany of good ideas at the beginning that I would like to pursue, but do you have also ideas about how we are going to deal with noncompliance of NFIP? Because we already heard that, well, we got a bunch of people here who didn't buy the insurance who were supposed to, and now we got to bail them out. You got any ideas on that? Mr. Long. We got to fix the--we have to make a decision. Do we want to continue to reward people building in vulnerable areas by giving them insurance that is not at an actuarial rate? Or do we hit the reset button and allow the private- sector market to start dictating more of what those rates look like, and taking over some of the market? I mean it is going to be a tough question. But I can tell you that I am not interested in running an NFIP program that is going to go into debt continuously. You did the good work of listening to our requests when it came to providing the additional funding for Harvey and Maria--but if we do that, we have got to fix the framework of the NFIP to honor the taxpayers' dollar. Mr. DeFazio. OK. And, I mean, you know, one--seemed to me one simple fix would be we will insure you once, you have a loss, next time you go to the private market. Mr. Long. We would be happy to provide you our thoughts on an NFIP restructuring, as well. Mr. DeFazio. Great. General, just since I know your expertise is not necessarily the restoration of a--you know, a power grid, and we talked about that extensively, but one thing I know the Corps is really good at is construction, temporary bridges. What are our barriers to--I mean we are still hearing about problems with access to remote areas and highways that are, you know, that--where the bridges are out, or the highway itself is out. I mean what are the barriers there for getting better access? General Jackson. Sir, first of all, the Department of Transportation has the lead for all the roads and bridges, and they are working very closely with the highway department and the Department of Transportation in Puerto Rico to do the assessments to identify the requirements. They have already installed a number of temporary bridges, and they have already put in a request for funding that the Federal Highway Administration has, to make more permanent, long-lasting repairs to some of the infrastructure. One of the real challenges in the remote areas--and I spent some time with General Buchanan a couple weeks ago--is that many of the remote areas suffer from landslides. You may have a road that is cleared into a remote area on one day, it rains a lot, and you have a landslide that causes a road to close, you have to go back in there and open it back up again. So it is an on-again, off-again, long-term issue that we will continue to deal with, especially gaining access in the remote areas. But I believe DOT has a pretty good handle with the Puerto Rico Department of Transportation on the way ahead for transportation infrastructure on the island. Mr. DeFazio. OK, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. Mr. Perry is recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. Perry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, gentlemen, for your service. Every single Member of Congress, I think--all the American people, their hearts are broken for the people of Puerto Rico and their continued suffering without power and without access to services and infrastructure. My questions will go to Administrator Long, initially, and Major General Jackson. PREPA was created--the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority was created in 1941, when the Governor nationalized private electric companies on the island. And prior to the hurricane, the State-owned monopoly, which is PREPA, was $9 billion in debt with an estimated $4 billion in needed infrastructure upgrades at that time. A contributing factor to PREPA's dire financial situation is the fact that PREPA had been giving free power to all 78 of Puerto Rico's municipalities--many of its Government-owned enterprises and even some of its for-profit businesses. The practice has occurred for decades, even as PREPA continued to take on debt, borrowing billions of dollars in the process. Property taxes, which pay for it, were last assessed in 1958. Another contributing factor to PREPA's financial situation is its own mismanagement. According to a 2016 Synapse Energy Associates report compiled for Puerto Rico, it says this: ``Our review indicates that PREPA's operational spending has not been consistent with operation of a safe and reliable system since at least FY 2014. A major component of PREPA's operational spending lands in Administrative and General functional area, and that spending in this area has increased in recent years for unexplained causes.'' And to give this figure context, in 2016 PREPA spent the equivalent of more than one-third of its entire capital budget on discretionary A&G spending. And according to the report, PREPA's financial woes led to a deliberate decision by its leadership to forgo the necessary infrastructure upgrades needed to produce a reliable system. To keep its budgets under the cap, PREPA has engaged in what appear to be self-defeating practices, such as deferring maintenance, extending outages to avoid overtime, and allocating budget away from critical but low utilization unit. The report conclusion is a damning indictment of the island's infrastructure, and explains the difficulties encountered in reelectrifying the island. And it says the current reality is stark. Many of PREPA's existing units are in such a poor state of repair that PREPA must consider itself lucky if they remain operational for more than several months at a time, and that PREPA's transmission and distribution systems are falling apart, quite literally. They are cracking, corroding, and collapsing. And it is my understanding that there were no activated mutual aid agreements, which we are familiar here, where, when something happens, other power companies come to the aid. It seems to me that it is a dereliction of duty and incredibly irresponsible, in caring for the people of Puerto Rico, what has happened there. While restoring power to the island is necessary, the question is should FEMA and the Federal Government be on the hook indefinitely, after years of willful neglect of PREPA's grid? Mr. Long, are you set up for that? Mr. Long. I don't think we should be on the hook. We have been put in a terribly complex situation, as a result of deferred maintenance and a system that was allowed to decay. And, unfortunately, everybody wants the power back on--nobody wants the power back on more than FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers. Mr. Perry. Right. Mr. Long. And we have been working through that, sir, left and right. But the thing is that a large portion of it never worked before Maria hit, and now we are having to basically---- Mr. Perry. And you are not set up to be there indefinitely, because some were kind of implying--they are making the implicit claim that you are supposed to be there indefinitely. Are you set up for that? Mr. Long. Indefinitely? Mr. Perry. Yes. Mr. Long. No. No, we are not. Mr. Perry. All right, and I just want to make that clear. We all want the power. Everybody wants the power on. Mr. Long. Right. Mr. Perry. No more than you folks sitting in front of all of us. General, do you believe that PREPA should strongly consider privatization? General Jackson. Sir, I think there are a lot of decisions that face Puerto Rico right now, and privatization could be one of those. I know that the Department of Energy is really taking a hard look at the grid itself. They are looking at what can be done to make the grid more effective, more efficient. They have 15 power plants right now. They are supposed to put out about 5,200 megawatts, but they only use about 2,500 megawatts. The power plants that produce most of the generation are on the southern side of the island, but all the people live on the north, which makes big, high-voltage transmission lines vulnerable to the winds that hit Puerto Rico. There is a lot of room for improvement. DOE is looking really hard at that, and they are going to be making some recommendations not only to what needs to be done to the grid itself, but they are probably prepared to make some recommendations on what the public utility could do to be more efficient and effective. I have read all the same reports that you have, so I am not unfamiliar with some of those conditions that caused it to be the way it is right now. I think there is a lot of room for improvement. The Corps of Engineers is really focused on the response piece, and that is just getting this power grid back up as fast as we can, and getting it to the most essential places where it needs to be. But we realize that what we are doing is in no way going to be the ultimate end-state solution for where the grid needs to be. Mr. Perry. Thank you, sir. Gentlemen, thank you. Chair? Mr. Shuster. I thank the gentleman. I recognize Mr. Hunter for 5 minutes. Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, gentlemen, for being here. I didn't want to be the one Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure member that didn't talk today, so I figured I would add on to the end here. So two specific things. There is a--it is called a--the Hermes. Are you familiar with this, Admiral? The Hermes, it is a, let's see, 30-inch outer hull, rather than 34, the void on the vessel's bottom, 47 instead of 50. So they were turned away for bringing fuel to Puerto Rico because of the 3 inches in the double hull width, and then the void. That sounds kind of crazy to me, unless there is a really great reason for it. Admiral Schultz. Congressman, I think there is a vessel that has requested a waiver from the Coast Guard. I think, as you know, sir, as our subcommittee chair, better than anyone, you know, we are an Armed Force, we are a first responder, we are a regulatory agency, we are a law enforcement agency. Each of those has statutory reach-back that tells us what we can do, where we have discretion. The--a subchapter vessel, a general freight cargo-type vessel, it is also an offshore supply vessel, a subchapter L vessel. It is not a subchapter D vessel that is allowed to carry bulk quantities of flammable and combustible liquids. They are asking for a waiver to be able to do that. By law, subject to---- Mr. Hunter. But you don't look at different things if there is an emergency like this? I mean, and it is months after, so it is different. But I mean during an emergency you would say a subchapter whatever can still do something, right? Admiral Schultz. Well, sir, I think there are many considerations in granting a waiver. The short of this, as of Friday the 27th, the 7th District--who is working supporting the officer in charge of marine inspection down in Puerto Rico because of their workload, being the center, they are supporting them--basically, this waiver was denied. I think when you say, well, why is it denied, you are talking about whether it is a double-bottle hull or not, the engine---- Mr. Hunter. A double-hull---- Admiral Schultz. It is not a double-hull vessel, by the law. There is an appeal process for this waiver, and I would encourage---- Mr. Hunter. And one of the reasons I ask this is because, getting into the Jones Act and how much capacity there is for shipping, so there is so much capacity now we are turning down ships is my point. Admiral Schultz. Sir, I would say there is--I believe there is sufficient capacity of subchapter D ships, these ships, that do this, you know, move flammable cargoes like that. They are available. Mr. Hunter. So the capacity is there. Admiral Schultz. My understanding is capacity is there, yes. Mr. Hunter. Second specific question. There is a guy named Sean Carroll that does the pre-positioning for Air Force One and Marine One for fuel. He pre-positions fuel. And you can imagine if you get that contract, you have got a--you have to be ready at all times, anywhere, to be able to fuel up Air Force One, right? He has approached FEMA in the past, and Coast Guard. He has that contract now, by the way. He pre-positions fuel, he was-- and FEMA has said great things, said yes, we should do this when a big storm is coming. The Coast Guard has also said yes, we should do this when a big storm is coming. He has been in Puerto Rico now for about 44 days. FEMA called him and said on like day one or two and said, this would be great, if you could actually--yes, come on, you are in. So he has been on the ground with portable fuel, getting resupplied for over 40 days now. And I just want to bring that to your attention. This is one of those things where you have a person that could fill that gap, and they are doing it now, and they are actually on the ground in Puerto Rico. So I would just encourage you--I am happy to give you the information on it, but I think that is pretty important, to pre-position stuff. I think we have already talked about it, but this guy is doing it, he is there, he does it for the President. It is a pretty good system of pre-positioning fuel, but that is one of the things that you got to have, and it is hard to transport into the country, right, or to the province. Anyway, thank you, Mr. Chairman, for letting me add on to the end, and thank you all for what you are doing. Mr. Shuster. Well, thank you. Thank you for yielding back. I just have one final question. And I just have to say I have been in a position in my time in Congress that seems that I was subcommittee chairman during Katrina, and so we--I was very involved, and we tried to rewrite the law and streamline it. And then I was full committee chairman in 2013 with Sandy, and we were able to change some things, and one specifically. And so my point I was making is I have been involved in trying to streamline FEMA and emergency response for a number of years. But in the Sandy legislation we did the FEMA reauthorization. We were able to enter in--and you mentioned it, Administrator Long--the section 428 authority, which is based on estimates, and it gives flexibility. And I just wonder if you could just talk a little bit more about that, because I think those are the kinds of things we need to strengthen and move forward through all the agencies, where we can do it. Mr. Long. Anything we can do to expedite funding but protect the taxpaying dollar is what we need to be able to work on. The section 428 pilot program is something that I truly believe in, and we are working with Governor Rossello to implement that in discussions now. For example, at one point I read a report where there were 3,200 different roadway obstructions. Instead of writing 3,200 different project worksheets to fix these various portions in the road, we can write one project worksheet, estimate what it would cost to do that, but it makes it outcome-driven at the very beginning, so we can say here is the design, this is what we are going for. You can cap the expenditures. And if we don't go that route, then each one of those project worksheets can be reversioned and reversioned and reversioned, and then we wind up being there for over a decade without completing the projects. Mr. Shuster. And it has been your experience the States-- this is something they welcome? Mr. Long. Some do, some don't. But I think that it is a constant balancing act. And I have invited the office of inspector general to FEMA. I want to understand how to make sure that we protect taxpayer dollars and increase grant monitoring. But whereas section 428 says be more efficient and put money down, the office of inspector general reports are saying you need to batten down the hatches and do more oversight. So we are caught in this balancing act of which way to go. But I would rather get the money out and get recovering kickstarted and done, rather than wait years and years and years because of the reversioning that takes place on project worksheets. Mr. Shuster. Well, I agree with you, and this committee is going to be working diligently over the next several months to talk to all the four agencies here to try to figure out--give us the ideas, tell us what makes sense, what doesn't make sense, and we are going to push for that. So again, I know that talking to Mr. DeFazio--and as we--as I have said earlier, your list of reforms is something that I think Mr. DeFazio and I will be pretty much on the same page. So again, I want to thank each and every one of you for coming here. I know you are very busy, and I know you got lots of work to do. So again, thanks. Thanks for being here, taking the time. And with that I ask unanimous consent that the record of today's hearing remain open until such time as our witnesses have provided answers to any questions that may be submitted to them in writing, and unanimous consent that the record remain open for 15 days for any additional comments, information submitted by Members or witnesses to be included in the record of today's hearing. Without objection, so ordered. And again, thank you very much for being here. And with that, the committee stands adjourned. [Whereupon, at 1:27 p.m., the committee was adjourned.] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]