[House Hearing, 115 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] BLUE TECHNOLOGIES: USE OF NEW MARITIME TECHNOLOGIES TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND MISSION PERFORMANCE ======================================================================= (115-44) HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON COAST GUARD AND MARITIME TRANSPORTATION OF THE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ MAY 8, 2018 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available online at: https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house- transportation?path=/browsecommittee/chamber/house/committee/ transportation __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 31-549 PDF WASHINGTON : 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Publishing Office. Phone 202-512-1800, or 866-512-1800 (toll-free). E-mail, [email protected]. COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania, Chairman DON YOUNG, Alaska PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee, ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of Vice Chair Columbia FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas SAM GRAVES, Missouri ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland DUNCAN HUNTER, California RICK LARSEN, Washington ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, Arkansas MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts LOU BARLETTA, Pennsylvania GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California BOB GIBBS, Ohio DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois DANIEL WEBSTER, Florida STEVE COHEN, Tennessee JEFF DENHAM, California ALBIO SIRES, New Jersey THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky JOHN GARAMENDI, California MARK MEADOWS, North Carolina HENRY C. ``HANK'' JOHNSON, Jr., SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania Georgia RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois ANDRE CARSON, Indiana MARK SANFORD, South Carolina RICHARD M. NOLAN, Minnesota ROB WOODALL, Georgia DINA TITUS, Nevada TODD ROKITA, Indiana SEAN PATRICK MALONEY, New York JOHN KATKO, New York ELIZABETH H. ESTY, Connecticut, BRIAN BABIN, Texas Vice Ranking Member GARRET GRAVES, Louisiana LOIS FRANKEL, Florida BARBARA COMSTOCK, Virginia CHERI BUSTOS, Illinois DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina JARED HUFFMAN, California MIKE BOST, Illinois JULIA BROWNLEY, California RANDY K. WEBER, Sr., Texas FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida DOUG LaMALFA, California DONALD M. PAYNE, Jr., New Jersey BRUCE WESTERMAN, Arkansas ALAN S. LOWENTHAL, California LLOYD SMUCKER, Pennsylvania BRENDA L. LAWRENCE, Michigan PAUL MITCHELL, Michigan MARK DeSAULNIER, California JOHN J. FASO, New York STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands A. DREW FERGUSON IV, Georgia BRIAN J. MAST, Florida JASON LEWIS, Minnesota VACANCY ------ 7 Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation DUNCAN HUNTER, California, Chairman DON YOUNG, Alaska JOHN GARAMENDI, California FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland GARRET GRAVES, Louisiana RICK LARSEN, Washington DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina JARED HUFFMAN, California RANDY K. WEBER, Sr., Texas ALAN S. LOWENTHAL, California BRIAN J. MAST, Florida STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands JASON LEWIS, Minnesota, Vice Chair PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon (Ex BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania (Ex Officio) Officio) CONTENTS Page Summary of Subject Matter........................................ v WITNESSES Panel 1 Rear Admiral Michael J. Haycock, Assistant Commandant for Acquisition and Chief Acquisition Officer, U.S. Coast Guard: Testimony.................................................... 5 Prepared statement........................................... 44 Panel 2 Eric J. Terrill, Ph.D., Director, Coastal Observing Research and Development Center, Scripps Institution of Oceanography: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement........................................... 48 Responses to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California................................................. 58 Michael B. Jones, President, The Maritime Alliance: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement........................................... 62 Responses to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California................................................. 66 Thomas S. Chance, Chief Executive Officer, ASV Global, LLC: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement........................................... 70 Responses to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California................................................. 73 Christopher J. Coyle, Member, International Ocean Science and Technology Industry Association: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement........................................... 77 Responses to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California................................................. 81 H. Tuba Ozkan-Haller, Ph.D., Professor and Associate Dean, College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences, Oregon State University: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement........................................... 89 Responses to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California................................................. 94 Rear Admiral Jonathan White, U.S. Navy (Ret.), President and Chief Executive Officer, Consortium for Ocean Leadership: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement........................................... 96 Responses to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California................................................. 102 SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD Rear Admiral Jonathan White, U.S. Navy (Ret.), President and Chief Executive Officer, Consortium for Ocean Leadership, post- hearing supplemental information to remarks made to Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett, a Delegate in Congress from the U.S. Virgin Islands ADDITIONS TO THE RECORD Written statement of Brian Wynne, President and CEO, Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International..................... 106 [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] BLUE TECHNOLOGIES: USE OF NEW MARITIME TECHNOLOGIES TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND MISSION PERFORMANCE ---------- TUESDAY, MAY 8, 2018 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:02 a.m., in room 2167, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Duncan Hunter (Chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Mr. Hunter. Good morning. The subcommittee will come to order. Today the subcommittee will hear testimony on how emerging maritime technologies can improve the efficiency and performance by the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard performs many important missions, from defense readiness and migrant and drug interdictions, to search and rescue operations and fisheries law enforcement. However, since 2010, annual administration requests for the Coast Guard have not been adequate for the Service to acquire new assets to perform its 11 missions at a rate that keeps up with those mission needs. This subcommittee has urged the Coast Guard to strongly advocate for the resources it needs to acquire the assets necessary to conduct its missions. The National Security Cutter acquisition program has exceeded the program of record; the Fast Response Cutter acquisition program is getting close to completing the program of record; while the Offshore Patrol Cutter and polar icebreaker acquisition programs are only just beginning. The reality of the Coast Guard's operational situation is that even with new assets, the Coast Guard has a big job to do. This subcommittee recognizes that technology can be a tool to fill any operational gaps in a cost-effective manner. Unmanned systems, navigation technologies, and new cell phone technologies are all tools that the Coast Guard can use to improve their mission performance. These technologies can improve the Coast Guard's maritime domain awareness and help the Coast Guard more effectively target the use of expensive manned assets. The Coast Guard needs to use every tool out there. The Coast Guard cannot accomplish all their missions by simply putting their service men and women on cutters, helicopters, and planes. The Service needs to be smart and strategic about where to place its assets and use its personnel. This is where data and technology can help. For example, Indonesia has partnered with Google to catch illegal fishing in realtime. Google co-founded Global Fishing Watch, an online mapping platform. Fishermen, or pirates, turn off their tracking system when they are illegally fishing, but Google's mapping platform is able to use machine learning to study vessel movement patterns to locate them. This was all done using Government-owned vessel monitoring system data in the mapping platform and adding new raw satellite imagery to produce a detailed footprint of fishing activities, revealing 5,000 previously invisible boats, and allowing Indonesian law enforcement to address illegal fishing in its waters. This subcommittee will keep pushing the Coast Guard to be innovative. The types of technologies we will discuss today can help the Coast Guard strategically and more effectively use its assets. There is no replacement for trained and capable servicemembers, but if the Coast Guard makes better use of technology, this can make servicemembers' jobs more effective and safer. I held a roundtable in San Diego in February and met with a variety of companies that are working on new maritime technologies. I know we have some of those panel members with us today as well as other experts. I look forward to learning about the current technologies that exist right now and the technologies that the Coast Guard is using and working on to use in the future. Lastly, I want to say when we are at the Joint Harbor Operations Center there in San Diego where the Coast Guard operates out of, now you have a Harbor Police desk inside the Coast Guard operations center where you can see the entire Coronado Bay, all of the San Diego Bay, all of the Naval Institution, everything. You can see around the entire area in realtime. And the Coast Guard cameras are operated by National Guardsmen. When the two National Guardsmen who were watching the Coast Guard cameras, and this was about 2 months ago, left to go to Ukraine, I think, or Georgia to help train people, those two seats were empty. The Coast Guard did not have anybody there. So even with the technology and the cameras and the assets to be able to look at the entire San Diego Bay, they were saying, ``Well, that is great, but we cannot do it because we lack two people.'' So that was not a technology issue. That was a manning problem, which they are fixing now. But it was great to see at least that technology being in place and tied in with the Harbor Police and everybody else in the San Diego Bay region. So I would like to thank our witnesses for being here today and I look forward to hearing their thoughts on these issues. And I yield to Ranking Member Garamendi. Mr. Garamendi. Mr. Chairman, thank you so very much. I appreciate the opportunity to delve into these blue technologies and discuss their potential to transform how we envision both the maritime infrastructure and emerging information systems and the technologies that drive advancements in science and industry. The hearing could not come soon enough. Over the past decade, countries around the world, especially China and the European Union, have turned their attention to their coasts and oceans to investigate the potential of maritime-related industries, ocean resources as a major source of new jobs and economic growth. The U.S. would be well advised not to ignore this push by other nations to expand their economic opportunities in the maritime economy. If we do ignore it, we risk falling behind the development, testing, and deployment of the new blue technologies driven by marine data that is easily accessible, interoperable, and we squander future opportunities to develop new products, services, and applications to strengthen and diversify our maritime economy. Fortunately, many of the folks here have not been sitting idly on the sidelines. In fact, each of our witnesses here this morning can attest to numerous achievements thus far and examples of innovation. For instance, a leading edge, very high frequency-frequency modulation--VHF-FM--communication systems, known as Rescue 21, is the Coast Guard's new advanced command, control, and direction-finding communications system that has enabled the Coast Guard to execute its search and rescue missions with far greater agility and efficiency. Another example is the physical oceanographic real-time system, or PORTS [Physical Oceanographic Real-time System], a decision support tool developed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that improves the safety and efficiency of the maritime commerce and coastal resource management through the integration of real-time environmental observations, forecasts, and geospatial information. I am sure we will hear from witnesses about these and other activities. A recent article in the Maritime Executive focused on Russian activities in the Baltic and eastern Mediterranean to jam and disrupt GPS systems that vessels rely upon, and we will explore some of that with our witnesses. Considering that many blue technology systems rely on satellite telemetry and precision signals for timing, navigation, and communication, what would happen to these new assets, whether they are unmanned gliders or maritime electronic navigational systems, if their GPS signals were disrupted either intentionally or unintentionally. Presently, the U.S. has no active domestic backup timing and navigational system should GPS go down, and I think you have heard me speak on this before. So I will not go on further, except to say that former Secretary of Defense Ash Carter said it correctly. GPS is a single point of failure. So a piece of work we need to do. A fascinating hearing. We are going to hear from others. There is so much that we need to do in this domain and in this area so that the blue technology systems are American and used by our mariners and our military. So with that in mind, let me conclude by welcoming our witnesses. I look forward to hearing from you, and I hope to engage all of you in questions. I yield back my time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hunter. I thank the gentleman from California. And this is a great panel, which we have one person---- Mr. DeFazio. Can I go? Mr. Hunter. Oh, Mr. DeFazio is recognized for an opening statement. Mr. DeFazio. It is early, Duncan. Thank you. Thanks very much for having this hearing. You know, this is an area where the Government should be investing a significant amount more money in acquiring new technologies, not just for the Coast Guard, but for those who research the oceans. Seventy percent of Earth's surface: ocean. We have explored thoroughly about 10 percent of it, and 50 to 80 percent of the life on Earth exists in the oceans. You know, we are a maritime Nation. It is incredibly critical to our future that we not be left mired in the 20th century when other nations are employing 21st-century technology to better understand our oceans and in some cases exploit our oceans, in some cases exploit to the point of being unsustainable. We need to better understand the majority of Earth's surface. And I really want to thank the chairman for holding the hearing, and I want to acknowledge Dr. Tuba Ozkan-Haller. She is a professor of civil and construction engineering at Oregon State University. She is the associate dean of the College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences. We had a little brief discussion beforehand. I know that for one thing we have underfunded the deep-ocean buoys. I have been working both for earthquake detection, remote sensing out near where the tectonic plates meet off the northern California-southern Oregon coast. And I have also been very concerned about the lack of capability of just doing more mundane things like detecting wave heights and directions and that for coastal shipping safety and mariners, and others, and also so we can better understand these oceans if we want to deploy or hope to deploy wave generation systems or wind generation systems on the ocean's surface. We need to know a lot more about what is going on out there. So I think this is critical for the Coast Guard, critical for the United States of America, critical for the future of our economy. With that, I thank the chairman and yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Hunter. I thank the ranking member of the full committee for being here. It is always a great honor to have him and shine some light on what we are doing here as well. I just want to say when I got into this about 6 years ago when I became the subcommittee chairman, I had gone to somewhere in Silicon Valley and saw a thing that the guy that invented Java was working on, floating surfboards that can sense oil in the water and has sensors on it and can drive themselves infinitely, for a long time. So I came back, and it was one of my first subcommittee hearings here, and I asked the Coast Guard. We went through all of the language in Coast Guard regulations to see what they would classify that as, and it came back as ``floating debris.'' That is what the Coast Guard lawyers would call it, the guy who invented Java's surfboard that can sense stuff. It was classified as ``floating debris.'' That was 6 years ago. I think things have changed. So if you could tell us how things have changed, it would be great. Rear Admiral Michael Haycock, Assistant Commandant for Acquisition and Chief Acquisition Officer for the United States Coast Guard, you are recognized. Thank you for being here. TESTIMONY OF REAR ADMIRAL MICHAEL J. HAYCOCK, ASSISTANT COMMANDANT FOR ACQUISITION AND CHIEF ACQUISITION OFFICER, U.S. COAST GUARD Admiral Haycock. Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi, distinguished members of the subcommittee, Congressman DeFazio, thank you for the opportunity to speak about the Coast Guard's ongoing efforts to pursue new technologies and solutions that have great potential to enhance our mission success. I thank you for your oversight and your continued support of our Service, and I ask that my full written testimony be included as part of the official record. As the Assistant Commandant---- Mr. Hunter. Do you mind pulling up the microphone a little bit closer to you, too? Thank you. Admiral Haycock. Is this better? As the Assistant Commandant for Acquisition, I have several opportunities to testify before this body on the Coast Guard's programs, to revitalize our aging fleet of cutters and aircraft, boats and support systems. And with the support of the Congress, and especially this subcommittee, we are making real progress towards delivering the assets and the capabilities that our men and women in the field need to execute the missions for the American people. Our continued operational success will require a broad portfolio of complementary programs and activities that are built upon a foundation of innovation, integration, and strategic vision. One such program is the Coast Guard's Office of Research, Development, Test and Evaluation, which supports research and innovation across the entire span of the Coast Guard's missions. The Coast Guard RDT&E project portfolio is closely aligned with the mission needs and the priorities that are identified by our operational community. Because the program is relatively modest, we are constantly looking at ways to best leverage partnerships with DHS [Department of Homeland Security] and DoD [Department of Defense] research entities, national laboratories, academia, and industry to best support the Coast Guard's needs. One example of leveraging partnerships is our Research and Development Center's effort with the DHS Science and Technology Directorate to form the DHS/Coast Guard Science and Technology Innovation Center, also known as the STIC. This joint Coast Guard and DHS team is focused on rapidly transitioning innovative technologies into the hands of our operational community. We are also working with DHS Centers of Excellence on projects related to maritime cybersecurity and in the Arctic as well. We are also at the table with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, also known as DARPA, to look at counter-UAS [unmanned aerial systems]. We have conducted in situ burning testing at the Joint Maritime Test Facility in Mobile, Alabama, through partnerships with entities such as the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement and the Naval Research Laboratory. We also collaborate with industry through numerous cooperative research and development agreements, also known as CRADAs. These agreements are mutually beneficial in providing industry partners with access to real world requirements while keeping the Coast Guard abreast of the latest developments in technology. We have formalized these cooperative R&D agreements with industry leaders such as Mercury Marine, Lockheed Martin, Conoco Phillips, and several others, and right now we are looking at a number of ways to increase the number of partnerships with smaller innovative technology companies as well. This year marks the RDT&E program's 50th anniversary, and throughout the program's history, it has delivered products and capabilities that are vital to carrying out or Coast Guard missions. Projects have been driven by events such as Exxon Valdez, hurricane responses, Deepwater Horizon, and the recent sinking of the SS El Faro. We have led research in oil spill mitigation, development of electronic navigation, and other research areas important to mariner safety and commerce. Last year was one of our busiest years to date. When the Coast Guard swung into action as Hurricane Harvey swept through the gulf coast, the RDT&E program was there. We used our innovative crowd sourcing platform to collect real-time lessons learned from responders on scene. The responders told us stories about sending 50 small rescue boats and 28 helicopters into the storm with limited ability to track the rescuers or the assets that they were in. The Research and Development Center in New London, Connecticut, immediately sprung into action and began prototyping small, affordable, off-the-shelf tracking devices that could provide our operation commanders with options for greater situational awareness even under the most challenging conditions. The program is nimble, and it is able to respond quickly. In addition to meeting emergent needs, the R&D program is working to help strategically position the Coast Guard for the future. With the ever-increasing level of automation within the Maritime Transportation System, we are working to stay ahead on cybersecurity challenges and threats. The program is developing improvements to communications capability and domain awareness in the Arctic, and we are collectively excited about the potential improved mission effectiveness made possible by machine learning and artificial intelligence and augmented reality and other emergent technologies. The program is looking at potential Coast Guard uses for autonomous and semi-autonomous systems from the seafloor to space, as directed by Congress. Technology changes at a very rapid pace, and the researchers and the engineers and innovators in our RDT&E program are poised to find efficiencies, reduce risk, and explore technologies to optimize mission performance. As the Service moves in new directions, research and development will be increasingly vital to provide this knowledge for the Coast Guard. I thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today, and I look forward to your questions. Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Admiral. I appreciate it. I want to bring up a couple systems and a couple example of things that are not crazy. They are not seafloor to space. They are not big disruptors, but something like the long-range acoustic device, the LRAD, which when I was in San Diego, they had a couple on Coast Guard ships now. I think one or two little cutters have been using them down in Florida. The Navy has had these for over 5 years on every single Navy ship, and for everybody that is watching or listening, it is a speaker, and you are really loud when you talk on it. That is what it is. It is called long-range acoustic device. You can hail people at like 100 meters away, and they can hear you in the pilothouse of the boat when you are yelling at them. I thought it was amazing that the Coast Guard are the people who yell at people to get out of an area don't have that, and the people who shoot at people do have that. Literally every Navy ship has them, and the Coast Guard is still testing as of 2 months ago, after 5 years of Navy use. That is unacceptable. There is no reason to be testing something that the Navy has been using for 5 years on literally every single Navy surface ship that is now on one Coast Guard ship. Another example are Predators. You talk about autonomous vehicles, remotely piloted vehicles, unmanned vehicles, artificial intelligence vehicles. You don't have them. Everybody else has been using them but you. You are the smallest force. You have the fewest number of people. You get the least amount of money every year, and you are the slowest to adopt technologies that can leverage your undermanned Service in accomplishing your 11 missions. But you are the slowest to adapt those technologies, and that is why we are having this hearing today. So I guess the first question I have is a number of unmanned marine systems are being developed that have the ability to act as a force multiplier. We are talking about any kind of UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] that has a maritime sensor, and that is quite a few now, and you can slap different maritime sensors on any kind of UAV, big or small. Such systems have long endurance. It can detect illicit vessel traffic, and some can even act as a visual deterrence, and who knows yet what we can have them do when it comes to turning off motors, doing things like that where they can zap these fast boats if there is not a marine layer or something like that where they can see. So has the Coast Guard explored the use of these systems to improve demand awareness in transit zones? And what role do you foresee in the future? And let us go back to the previous Commandant. Admiral Zukunft said that he did not want Predators or UAVs off the coast of San Diego or Florida. He wanted them flying over South and Central America so they could get good keys and cues on the bad guys coming north, not necessarily when the boat is going 70 miles an hour in the ocean off of Orange County. So that was what he had talked about and kind of his vision, and I would like to hear now how that is going to play into what you think and what the new Commandant thinks of doing that, or whether he wants to see UAVs off the coast of Orange County. Admiral Haycock. Thank you. The unmanned aviation systems come in a variety of capabilities and sizes. So the one you are talking about or most recently were talking about were the semi-long range and ultra-long endurance UAVs. And thanks to Congress and this subcommittee, we received money in fiscal year 2017 to actually explore that and actually do a demonstration of that. We have worked with folks at DHS, in particular, the PEO [Program Executive Office] for UAV systems at DHS, and Customs and Border Protection as well, and we have been working together for the last year or so to put that program into place, and I am excited to announce that we actually issued the request for proposals last week to actually get that demonstration in place to see how that technology can be used in the Coast Guard for long range. In kind of the middle-range area, we make great strides on a small UAS that we can deploy on our ships. So we actually have kind of a prototype system over the last several years with Coast Guard cutter Stratton. So we deployed a UAS onboard for three or four deployments, and that UAS has provided great capabilities, and our crews love them. They provide maritime domain awareness on sight. Mr. Hunter. What is it? What UAS system or what UAS? Admiral Haycock. It is the Insitu ScanEagle, sir. Mr. Hunter. ScanEagle, got you. Admiral Haycock. Yes. So that is a catapult-launched asset that we launch off the flight deck. We launch it up in the air. It provides intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance capabilities. We have had to develop policy to make that happen, but it has been working phenomenally. It has contributed to drug busts in theater, to a number of these things, and the crew loves it. And I am excited to announce that probably in about 2 weeks we will be issuing or we will actually be awarding a contract to put that capability on eight NSCs for the next 5 to 8 years. And that is technology that our fleet loves, and they are going to be really excited to get that deployed. Finally, in kind of the short range, kind of the hand- launched area, our Assistant Commandant for Capabilities has authorized our small boat field units to go out and procure some of the smaller UAS to test them, find out what sort of utility they have in the field, and then we will use those lessons learned to go out and create a policy and then go after a kind of a standard asset. Mr. Hunter. The last thing I would recommend, you have had Special Forces, Army and Navy and Marine Corps, and the Navy just in general, on small boats launching UAS for a decade now, for about 10 years. So they are about 10 years ahead of you, the non-sea services are already ahead of you, including Army and Marine Corps sea service. I think you have got some catching up to do. Can you tell me really quick the difference between launching an unmanned vehicle off of a Navy ship compared to launching an unmanned vehicle off of a Coast Guard ship? Do the ships float differently or what is the difference? Admiral Haycock. So the primary difference between the way we use our ship-launched UAS and probably the Navy is we have slightly different mission sets, and so we need our assets to provide ISR [intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance] for long periods of time. So we are looking for assets that can be up for 12 or more hours off the ship to kind of increase our awareness of what is going on around the actual ship itself. It increases our visibility. We have to contend with weather. We typically find ourselves going---- Mr. Hunter. Wait. The question is: What are the differences? So the Navy contends with weather. They contend with different ship sizes and different things, too. So when you are in the ocean and a Navy ship is in the ocean. It is the same size ship. What is the difference between them being able to launch UAS and having been doing so for years and the Coast Guard? I mean, what is the technical difference of launching a UAS off a Coast Guard ship in the same ocean that a Navy ship is sitting? They are the same size ships. They are in the same ocean. What is the difference? Admiral Haycock. There are no technical differences between the two assets. Mr. Hunter. Should there be a Navy-Coast Guard joint program office for unmanned systems as well, like the icebreaker so we can get everybody on the same page? Because the Navy has more money, as we all know, more people, more testing, the ability to do this because they have been doing it for longer. They are not jumping through hoops anymore. I mean it is a great system to probably copy in your own way is what I am saying. Admiral Haycock. As you know, our integrated program with the Navy on icebreakers has been a phenomenal endeavor so far. We have made great progress. I don't know that we need that for the UAS because we have actually made phenomenal progress on this endeavor as it is so far. We are on the cusp of actually deploying that here on all of the NSCs. So I don't know that we need help at this point in time. It might have been helpful if we had done it years back, but I think we are in a good place, sir. Mr. Hunter. But, again, you are talking about ScanEagle, which is extremely old technology with hopefully new sensors on it, but this is not groundbreaking, right? It is a little bit late to the game, but better late than never. Admiral Haycock. Well, I don't know what system we will actually be deploying because we have not awarded that contract yet. The prototype was ScanEagle. We have not identified any major issues with ScanEagle. That UAS has done phenomenal for us, and we are really excited about awarding the contract and getting this permanently on the ships. Mr. Hunter. Thank you. I yield to the ranking member, Mr. Garamendi. Mr. Garamendi. The chairman is working on a line of questioning that I think is really important here, and that is the adoption of new techniques and technology. And apparently the Coast Guard in its adoption process is slow to adopt, and the questions that I would like to get to really are the organizational structures that would retard the adoption of new technologies, new techniques, equipment, and so forth. Let us start with the budget for the development, testing, and evaluation program. I think you are requesting like $17.2 million, which is 47 percent less. Why? And if this particular budget or line item is critical in the adoption of new techniques, technologies, and equipment, why the reduction? Or maybe this isn't where the problem lies. Could we just go into that for a few moments? Admiral Haycock. Our R&D budget has been fairly consistent over the years. I am wondering if you are talking about the 47 percent because of the $18 million plus-up for the long-range UAS. You know, we have been operating at around $18 million for the last several years for the R&D budget, and that gets us where we need to go. It would obviously be better if we had more, but we find ways of getting around that by leveraging the other entities out there that have done some of this work. One of the things we are trying to prevent ourselves doing is recreating the wheel, duplicating efforts done by others. And so one of the things we do is we partner with the national laboratories, the Naval Research Lab. We just recently got into an agreement with the Air Force, the first of its kind, to leverage some of the stuff they are working with; you know, working with the DHS Science and Technology Directorate. So we do these things to kind of augment that and make up for, you know---- Mr. Garamendi. Well, you know, all well and good. The notion of working with other agencies and using their knowledge and testing, excellent. How then does that get into the operations of the Coast Guard? How do you transition that information? I am looking at the organizational structure. There is something here that isn't working smoothly. Technologies are readily available, techniques, but the Coast Guard isn't adopting them. As the chairman was driving into this, what is it in this organizational structure that is retarding the integration of these new systems into the Coast Guard's daily operations? If it is not this RDT&E, apparently that is not important, and you are able to make up for the less money by utilizing other agencies. Then that information, that knowledge from other agencies has to find its way into the Coast Guard. How does it get there? How is it acquired? Admiral Haycock. There are a number of ways we do this. One of the things we tried to do recently is we are trying to spur more innovation within the Service. So we have stood up an Innovation Council, which has senior leaders here at headquarters that are engaged in RDT&E efforts, to provide guidance and oversight. We have created a crowd sourcing platform that has gotten great use over the last year or so, where we basically allow folks at all levels in the organization, from military, civilian, you know, young, new sailors all the way up to senior officers can all provide input on various topics that we put in the crowd sourcing platform. That allows us to get new ideas to go after. The second thing we do is we use that information to create a portfolio of things we believe are the best return on investment for the Coast Guard. Since I arrived in CG-9 last spring, one of the things I have asked the Research and Development Center to do is place a greater emphasis on the actual transition of the research and development efforts into products that the operational Coast Guard can use. So now our folks up there, when they do this, they also look at, OK, what is the next step in the process. How do we go about putting this into the operational user's hands in the Coast Guard? Mr. Garamendi. Can you develop and deliver to the committee a portfolio, the word you used, of ideas, products, techniques, technologies that are currently being looked at by your organization? Something is amiss here, the adoption and the openness to new ideas. Like how does an individual from--I don't know--say Scripps who has developed a great sensing device that could be used on one of your ships get to your office so that you can acquire that knowledge, that technique? In other words, is your door open? Admiral Haycock. Yes, sir, the door is definitely open, and we are excited about opportunities to do this sort of thing. Mr. Garamendi. There is a whole series of questions. I can go on for some time here about this. We sense that there is a slowness, a reticence within the Coast Guard to adopt new techniques, new technologies, new equipment. The chairman gave three different examples a moment ago. What is it about the organization that is retarding the acquisition of these new systems? Just for example, we know that the Offshore Patrol Cutters are someday going to get out there. In the meantime we have ancient equipment that is not terribly reliable. What are we doing in the intervening period to use these new systems, to understand the domain, the maritime domain? Are we open to that? Are you open to that? Admiral Haycock. We are open to that. Mr. Garamendi. And what are you doing in your openness? Admiral Haycock. Well, part of it is we need to know that it exists, and that is one of the key roles our Research and Development Center plays, is getting out there and finding out what sort of technology exists. So the folks at the R&D Center are constantly on the prowl. They are out there visiting folks. They are doing research online. They are attending conventions. They are having meetings with technology centers, things of that nature so that we are aware of those capabilities. The next step, after you have been made aware of this, you have got to prioritize it and make sure you are using your resources for those things that bring the best value to the operator out in the field. We have a process for that, and that process starts usually in the end of the summer, and we get input from the field, and then we later in the winter we actually bring people together. Usually we get an external look from the Naval Research Lab, S&T, the chief scientist for DHS. We will bring all of these senior folks into the room, and we will go through all of these projects in detail to determine which ones make the most sense for the Coast Guard to go after. And then we put that portfolio together, and then that is the marching orders for the R&D Center, and they go out and they go after this. Mr. Garamendi. Your title is Commandant for Acquisition and Chief Acquisition Officer, and I know this committee puts a lot of pressure on you for things like icebreakers and other major pieces of equipment. I think we are putting more pressure on you about these other systems, not the big ones, but all of the systems that make the icebreaker more effective, more efficient; the Offshore Patrol Cutters more effective, more efficient. And these are not the big, flashy things, but these are UAS, other devices that expand the ability of the Coast Guard to carry out its many, many tasks. And so just since you have such broad shoulders, in addition to the major acquisitions and the recapitalizations that are underway, these other things, my question really goes and my issue really goes to the organizational structure that provides the open door for these systems to be brought to the Coast Guard and then implemented along the way. So I am going to drive at that. Right now I think I have taken much more time than I would otherwise have available, but the specific question: How could the Coast Guard improve its interactions with the blue technology industries and firms sufficient to keep the Coast Guard abreast of the latest development and innovations? So this is an organizational question for which I will be driving, and I suspect the committee will drive, too. So thank you very much for that. I yield back. Mr. Hunter. I thank the ranking member. Mr. Graves from Louisiana is recognized. Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Admiral, thank you for being here. I want to start out with something that is perhaps not in your column but affects the Coast Guard nonetheless. We recently had a boating accident off the coast of Louisiana where three folks were out there, and I have been on the phone with numerous Coast Guard men and women over the past several days, including the commander sitting behind you, and I do want to give a big shout-out to the Coast Guard for their efforts on that search and rescue. That is our mission. I know you had a lot of assets out there. I know you were working very closely with the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, the Plaquemines Parish Sheriff's Office. Certainly all lives are important. One of the gentlemen who was lost really had a transformational effect. My own town of Baton Rouge started a church after the Billy Graham crusade and saved a lot of lives in many, many ways. So I just want to thank all of the men and women of the Coast Guard for their efforts overnight and countless hours and airplanes, helicopters and boats, assisting in that mission. Very, very important. So thank you. Changing gears a little bit, can you talk a little bit? Your testimony makes reference to some of the research and development and perhaps advances that you have made in oil spill technology. You talk specifically about in situ burns at your facility in Alabama. Can you talk about other advancements that the Coast Guard is involved in, but perhaps also collaboration with industry in the aftermath of Deepwater Horizon? Admiral Haycock. First, thank you for recognizing the efforts of the Coast Guard. The folks that go out there and do the rescues, they don't do it for the recognition, but they do appreciate the fact that people notice. They are just doing what they are trained to do, and we appreciate the support, and we appreciate the support of the committee, as well. The Joint Maritime Test Facility down in Alabama is a great national asset. We partner with BSEE [Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement] and Department of Energy and others to make best use of that. Technology is changing all the time, and as we look at things like response to oil spills, we can use that facility to try different techniques to mitigate the oil spill. So that facility is up and running and we get great support on that, and we get a lot of collaboration with industry to make that happen. We take our oil spill responsibilities very seriously, and one of the things we have recently done--I think the committee will be happy to know--is we have looked at things like how do you recover oil that is sinking in the water column. How do you detect it and go after it? So we actually just completed a test recently here in that endeavor, looking at how do you best recover that. So we have got some great data from that. We are going to use that data to figure out what is the next step in that endeavor to improve our ability to mitigate oil spills. Mr. Graves of Louisiana. First, I just want to ask if you all could on the record or perhaps coming back and giving us a briefing on updates on some of the efforts by private industry to improve safety techniques because certainly you need to be working in collaboration with them. I know that they have made substantial progress in new safety techniques and collection devices and other things, and I think it is important that the Coast Guard and industry are working very closely together. Again, I have been briefed on a lot of technology they have developed, and it really is impressive. In regard to the oil sinking, the only time I have really seen that happen is in the case of Deepwater Horizon when you all hit it with the dispersant below the surface. Otherwise I think the oil comes up. The only other instance is when it binds with the fine silts and sands and, therefore, changing the weight of it. But I think there are a lot of lessons learned from Deepwater Horizon that can be applied if there, and we all hope there is not, if there is another oil spill disaster like that. But, again, I would like to follow up with you on some of those technologies. Next, Arctic strategy. We sent a letter last month to the Commandant and the CNO [Chief of Naval Operations] regarding a joint Arctic strategy. I think a number of us are very concerned, and I think I can speak for everyone up on this panel. All of us are very concerned about the apparent separate or siloed Arctic strategy approaches by the Navy and the Coast Guard. Obviously, both of you are critical in that region. We have seen the advances of Russia, China, and other countries. We have discussed it ad nauseum in this committee about the fact that the United States is far behind other Arctic nations in terms of capabilities, icebreaking and others. Could you talk a little bit about the importance of a joint strategy, what you all are doing to have a joint strategy with the Navy? Admiral Haycock. You have indicated, and I think we would recognize, that working together with the Navy is an important part of the Arctic strategy, and I think we would welcome that and we would go after that. I don't have the details because that is more of an operational concern. I would really need to get back to you on that one, sir. I wish I could answer that. Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Admiral, again, I think it is very important that we have a joint strategy. You all worked seamlessly with the Navy in other parts of the world. You do a great job. You have a common mission. Your platforms are compatible. I think that all of us feel very strongly that having a similar relationship with the Navy in the Arctic is important. The last question: Could you talk a little bit about, and I think this is in your wheelhouse, the role of dynamic positioning autonomous vehicles and others in the Arctic and how perhaps advances in regard to Arctic platforms, how those two issues come into play there? Admiral Haycock. Autonomous systems are a very important part of the future in the Arctic. We need to make sure that vessels navigating in the Arctic regions and those that are taking station up there for resources, oil exploration, that sort of thing are safe and can operate up there, basically responding to all of the risks and such. So we welcome the opportunity to work with industry to further explore those things. You talked a little bit about the Deepwater Horizon and some of the folks down in your area that have developed some interesting lessons learned and some technologies. We welcome the opportunity to work with those folks to take advantage of those technologies. Really what it comes down to, sir, is if we are aware of something that goes on, we are interested in trying to take advantage of it and leverage it for the purposes of maritime safety. Mr. Graves of Louisiana. I just want to clarify that I am talking about for purposes of the Coast Guard's assets, the role that dynamic positioning and autonomous in Coast Guard assets, but I know I am over time. Let me yield back. Mr. Hunter. I thank the gentleman. Ms. Plaskett, you are recognized. Ms. Plaskett. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for being here and providing this testimony in what I think is really important technology that you are working on. I wanted to ask you questions that were more related not so much to the research, but the application of the technology in different areas, and the first one is with regard to some of your duties and your mandate in the Caribbean related to illegal drug trafficking. There is a tremendous flow of drugs and weapons between the U.S. Virgin Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the area of Puerto Rico. On all sides, all of these islands are completely surrounded by water, and you all stand in many instances as the first line of defense for us in the flow of those drugs and weapons from the Virgin Islands into the mainland. And what I was wondering is some of the technology that you have spoken about today and is in your written testimony. What is the application of those technologies in that area, and how might it be used to further stem the flow of those illegal drugs and weapons? Admiral Haycock. So some of the technologies that can be used up there include biometrics and improving our intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance capabilities through the use of UAS. In particular, the biometrics, we have employed that starting with our 110-foot patrol boats a number of years back, and we have actually taken that program and expanded it to other assets, such as the Fast Response Cutters. Really our key is to identify those threats before they make landfall, push our borders out, and so our use of things like the UAS and having that ability to identify those threats far out is probably the first key. Ms. Plaskett. And how does the technology do that? How do you improve the maritime domain awareness to be able to do that since there is no way you could have sufficient number of actual vessels in the waters to be able to protect the islands? Admiral Haycock. Thank you. We work with other agencies in terms of law enforcement. So we work with DoD employing some of their ISR capabilities. We work with the FBI [Federal Bureau of Investigation] and other organizations, and we share information. So the information that we get, that we get from our assets, we feed that common operational picture for the other agencies, and we extract information from that as well so we can do a better job at being at the right place at the right time to engage with the trafficking. Ms. Plaskett. OK. I guess I was just trying to drill down into was there any specific technologies that would be more helpful or that you have been testing to be able to utilize in this area, but I understand your joint work with HIDTA [High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas], in particular, and DEA [Drug Enforcement Administration] and others is really a first line of defense is what you are saying, correct? Admiral Haycock. That is correct. Ms. Plaskett. OK. One of the other things that is a concern to me, particularly the announcement. For many years we had an oil refinery in the Virgin Islands, and it is my understanding that our Governor is closing the deal on that reopening. Because the natural resources of the island are so particularly important to us, I am very concerned, and there are discussions of an underwater pipeline to be able to keep the vessels further offshore and pipe them into for refining. Can you tell me? I always have a concern about maritime accidents, as oil spills or grounding pose detrimental impact. Is the Coast Guard pursuing any new technologies to respond to oil spills or other maritime disasters which occur not just in the Caribbean, but on the gulf, in California, and other areas as well? Admiral Haycock. The R&D Center has a lot of different projects that we work on, and we get $500,000 a year coming out of the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund. We put that money to good use trying to find ways to mitigate accidents that have already occurred and to prevent accidents from occurring as well. Our prevention folks, the community of the Coast Guard that tries to prevent these sorts of things, works hard to train their people to make sure they know how to go about identifying problems before they occur, and then we try to share information we get, and we hold people accountable when they don't do what they are supposed to do to keep things safe. Ms. Plaskett. Is this the use of crowd sourcing that you were talking about? In other areas that you have utilized, is this also utilized in oil spills or other natural disasters? Admiral Haycock. Yes, ma'am. Ms. Plaskett. OK. And from that crowd sourcing, are there partnerships that you have with private sector technology companies that might be utilized for more rapid response and mitigation of the damages from some of these? Admiral Haycock. Yes, there are lots of opportunities there. The cooperative research and development agreements are one method we use to get with industry, to form partnerships. We provide an opportunity for them to get on the Coast Guard assets and test things, and then we have the opportunity to learn more about it and figure out how to adapt that for use in the Coast Guard. Ms. Plaskett. Do you find that is really helpful having those partnerships with those technology companies or others? Is that working well, not just in terms of the technology and its application, but as Ranking Member Garamendi said, then being able to adapt to the culture of the Coast Guard, as well? Admiral Haycock. Yes. These CRADAs have been very, very beneficial to us. It is a great relationship we have with our partners, and we are looking for ways to create more. Ms. Plaskett. OK. Thank you. No further questions at this time. I yield back. Mr. Hunter. I thank the gentlelady. I think to Mr. Graves' questions, too, really quickly, you are the Chief Acquisition Officer of the Coast Guard. So when he talks about the operation, I understand you are not the operational guy for the Coast Guard, but you are going to be the one answering and hearing all the operational needs when they ask you to then acquire a piece of gear to meet those needs. So you know. You have the answer to his question, whether you know it or not, because you are hearing what they want to acquire, and you will hear because that is what your job is. So, Mr. Graves, to your point, the Admiral is the Chief Acquisition Officer for the Coast Guard. So he is not the operational requirements guy for the polar icebreaker, but he is going to be getting all of the requests for all the gear that will fulfill the operational requirement needs. So you are the right guy to talk to, and I think you will have those answers going forward on what the Joint Program Office is looking for to be able to fulfill all needs, and I just hope that we make that bigger. I think you got my point earlier. There is no difference launching a UAS from a Coast Guard vessel and a Navy vessel. There is no difference. There is no difference shooting off of a Coast Guard vessel and shooting off of a Naval vessel. There is no difference launching a helicopter off a Coast Guard vessel and a Naval vessel as long as they are the same sized vessels. There is no difference, in the ocean, on a ship, and it is the same thing. So why did it take 5 years to get a loudspeaker on Coast Guard ships? It is a mounting issue. I know you cannot mount it where the guns are and stuff. I get it, but it took 5 years to get a speaker, which is one of the Coast Guard's core competencies, is to keep people out of certain areas where you yell at people. It is not a Navy core competency, but it took 5 years. I was so surprised that the Coast Guard did not have these LRADs on the ship. It blew my mind, and that the Navy did. It should have been vice versa. But I just hope that you look at not necessarily Joint Program Offices, but look at what the Navy is doing and not recreating the wheel, not doing RDT&E because you don't need to. They have already done it. And if we can change the rules or change the law so that you can piggyback on the Navy more so that you don't have to go through steps A through D and you can just jump to E, that would be great, and I think that is what we are kind of pushing for here. So, Admiral, thank you very much. Thanks for being here, and thank you for your testimony and service. Admiral Haycock. It is an honor to be here. Mr. Hunter. And we are going to move to the second panel. While everybody is moving around, I will introduce. Actually we can wait. Take your time. All right. Lady and gentlemen, welcome. We will now move to the second panel. We will hear from Dr. Eric Terrill, director of the Coastal Observing Research and Development Center at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. That is a great place. I go there all the time, to surf, back in the old days. Mr. Michael Jones, president of The Maritime Alliance. Mr. Chris Coyle, member of the International Ocean Science and Technology Industry Association. Mr. Thomas Chance, chief executive officer of ASV Global. Dr. Tuba Ozkan-Haller, professor and associate dean at the College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences at Oregon State University. And Rear Admiral Jonathan White, president and chief executive officer of the Consortium for Ocean Leadership. Dr. Terrill, we realize, too, that you have to leave at 11:45. So just feel free to hop up and roll when you have got to go. We now recognize you to give your statement. TESTIMONY OF ERIC J. TERRILL, PH.D., DIRECTOR, COASTAL OBSERVING RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER, SCRIPPS INSTITUTION OF OCEANOGRAPHY; MICHAEL B. JONES, PRESIDENT, THE MARITIME ALLIANCE; THOMAS S. CHANCE, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ASV GLOBAL, LLC; CHRISTOPHER J. COYLE, MEMBER, INTERNATIONAL OCEAN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION; H. TUBA OZKAN- HALLER, PH.D., PROFESSOR AND ASSOCIATE DEAN, COLLEGE OF EARTH, OCEAN, AND ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES, OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY; AND REAR ADMIRAL JONATHAN WHITE, U.S. NAVY (RET.), PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, CONSORTIUM FOR OCEAN LEADERSHIP Dr. Terrill. Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to be here today and discuss new maritime technologies. As I was introduced, my name is Eric Terrill, and I am the director of the Coastal Observing R&D Center at Scripps in San Diego and have 25 years' experience as an oceanographer, leading basic and applied research programs around the globe. In the interest of brevity, I shall forgo Scripps' very long history of supporting national defense objectives, but that legacy is captured in my written testimony. So my testimony, I will address three points: the merits of the Coast Guard developing partnerships with organizations and agencies that specialize in conducting maritime RDT&E; using existing maritime technologies tailored to the Coast Guard mission; and exploitation of data and products from existing networks to enhance Coast Guard mission readiness. In 2002, at Joint Harbor Operations Center, the one that was referred to in your introductory remarks, Chairman, was developed after the events of 9/11, and in the center, dispatchers worked side by side across a whole range of agencies, including National Guard, Customs and Border Protection, ICE [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement], and various other personnel. And the JHOC is an analog for the type of interagency partnering that will be required if there is an expectation to efficiently field modern blue technologies with the Coast Guard. In the history of Scripps, my organization has maintained a strong emphasis on the development, testing and evaluation of maritime platforms and sensors for the purposes of persistent ocean sampling, and in many cases, these capabilities are directly relevant to the men and women who provide maritime security to our Nation. UUVs, or unmanned underwater vehicles, continue to develop as a frontier technology for subsurface exploration and sensing advances. These vehicles, with appropriate sensors, payloads can assist the Coast Guard in detecting and tracking oil spills of unknown origin; finding sunken wrecks and assessing their potential to leak bunker oil; mapping bathymetry hazards in marine habitats; and detecting IUU, or illegal fishing activities. Unmanned surface vessels are maturing, as well, as another maritime platform for consideration to serve the maritime security mission, and contrary to underwater vehicles, their ever-present surface expression provides and always-on communication, ISR, and navigation capabilities with GPS. In my experience with unmanned surface craft, you referred to your trip up to Silicon Valley to see debris 6 years ago. That debris has now matured to a commercially available platform through a company called Liquid Robotics. We have had a wide range of successes in a range of operating environments with that platform. And applicability to the Coast Guard includes ship traffic monitoring, fisheries protection, ocean sea state characterization, and monitoring of currents in support of oil spill trajectory analysis; communication gateways between surface craft and ship routing. Unmanned aerial systems are another tool that could be transitioned. A lot of discussion earlier this morning on that. An emergent technology of interest in that regime is the hybrid UAS that allows for vertical and takeoff from a fixed location, but transit with a fixed wing similar to an Osprey. So now you have not the load-out that you might have with a catapult type system or the ScanEagle. These capabilities are only now in development for use from ships operating on the high seas. Scripps recommends partnering within the Department of Defense. They are already making investments in developing maritime surveillance tech systems. Office of Naval Research is an example of an Echelon 1 command which invests in RDT&E to routinely conduct small scale demonstrations for developing and testing new concepts of operations and technologies and leverages the expertise and testing of their program managers in operating efficient RDT&E programs. Science and technology in a spiral development with an emphasis on at-sea testing allows the capability to incrementally evolve and improve at lower risk. Successful demonstrations can be transitioned to support operations, while unsuccessful demonstrations provide valuable lessons learned before you field it to a whole fleet. Along the U.S. coast, there is a wide network of 168 high- frequency radars sponsored by NOAA [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration]. Through MOUs [memorandums of understanding] they provide this information to the Coast Guard for missions, such as oil spill and response and search and rescue and operations. This is an operational network. However, the opportunity remains elusive to continue to exploit that system because it is only funded at the 50-percent level at which it was originally earmarked or identified in a national plan to get that radar network in operation. So in closing, I would like to thank the committee for the opportunity to testify on the role of marine technologies and provide suggestions for U.S. to leverage ongoing investments and use new maritime technologies to improve maritime mission performance and efficiencies. Thank you. Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Mr. Terrill. Mr. Jones, great to see you out here. You are recognized. Mr. Jones. Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi, members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity. I am president of The Maritime Alliance. We are a nonprofit industry association founded in 2007 and based in San Diego. We are a leading voice for blue tech nationally and internationally. We are a multiyear strategic partner with the U.S. Department of Commerce and received a grant to organize the first ever U.S. Maritime Technology Export Initiative. In 2017, we helped form the BlueTech Cluster Alliance, the first international coalition of blue tech clusters. The Blue economy is enormous and growing. It is blue tech that allows us to understand ocean problems, and blue tech is critical to develop solutions to these problems. And blue tech companies are providing the innovative tools and services that permit emerging ocean industries to develop. The Maritime Alliance has over 90 members from across the U.S. and internationally. In conjunction with our international cluster partners, we have access to thousands of companies. The following are some maritime issues that The Maritime Alliance blue tech member companies are addressing that may be of interest to the Coast Guard. First, on autonomy software and autonomous vessels. Multiple TMA [The Maritime Alliance] member companies are involved in autonomy in the air, on, and under the water. As examples, Boston-based Sea Machines Robotics recently announced a contract with Maersk, the world's largest shipping company, to try out the world's first artificial intelligence powered situational awareness system aboard a containership. And San Diego-based Planck Aerosystems' drone intelligence improves real-time situational awareness via autonomous takeoff and landing from moving vessels at sea. Second, under big data, enormous amounts of ocean data are being collected. Redlands, California-based Esri, the world's leading GIS software mapping company, is helping unlock the potential of data to improve operational and business results. And San Diego-based XST provides big data consulting services, including high-definition, hyper-local weather prediction. Third, in cybersecurity, we know good cyber hygiene, training, and innovative technologies and services are needed to protect the logistics chain. Philadelphia-based Gnostech helped mitigate cybersecurity risk from sea to shore. Fourth, in ocean observation, the Integrated Ocean Observing System, IOOS, is the national-regional partnership focused on ocean observation and enjoys wide industry support. TMA was coauthor of ``The Ocean Enterprise,'' the first ever national scale assessment of the value of ocean observation published in February 2016 that identified over 400 U.S. companies in 36 States, representing over $7 billion in revenue. Fifth, in pollution mitigation, San Diego-based Earthwise Sorbents is pioneering high-performance algae-based, not petroleum but algae-based sorbents to clean up oil and chemical spills on land and in water. Seattle-based Marine Construction Technologies has patented an innovative pile design that reduces noise pollution from impact pile driving by 80 to 90 percent. Sixth, port and maritime efficiency and security. Durham, North Carolina-based PortCall and San Ramon, California-based OceanManager have developed maritime software to help port and shipowners to be more efficient. Richmond, California-based WAM-V produces a watercraft using patented suspension technology to radically improve seagoing capabilities. And seventh, in predictive analytics, Seattle-based ioCurrents gathers real-time data on important assets on commercial vessels into a central database onboard to permit automated analysis within the cloud's availability and backup. This allows operators to predict and preemptively resolve likely equipment failures. So following are some ideas for the subcommittee to consider to enhance the Coast Guard's ability to identify, test, and incorporate blue tech: Increase travel funding to attend blue tech oriented events; Increase funding to evaluate blue tech products and services; Enhance the on-ramp to make it easier to identify innovative technology and services; Enhance the Innovation Council with regional meetings alongside blue tech events; Make regional tech scouting part of someone's role; Establish a secondary innovation center on the U.S. west coast; Promote blue tech collaboration with other U.S. Government agencies in the marine domain; Promote blue tech collaboration and transfer to and from other countries' forces. Thanks for the opportunity to testify today. We are grateful to the members of the subcommittee for focusing on blue tech. The Maritime Alliance stands ready to be a resource to this committee. I request that the entirety of my written testimony be entered into the record of this hearing. Thank you. Mr. Hunter. Thank you very much. I just want to sing Michael's praises. No one has done what he has done yet, creating a blue tech consortium that someone can go to as a single point. They have this for everybody else, but no one thought to do it on the water, and it is pretty amazing, a lot of money, and it gives the Coast Guard and the Navy and other organizations a single point to go to say, ``Hey, what is out there?'' But thank you for all that you are doing. Mr. Chance, you are recognized for your statement. Mr. Chance. Thank you very much. To help us stay on schedule, I will summarize my written testimony. Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi, and distinguished members of the committee, I am honored to testify today regarding the use of new maritime technologies to improve the efficiency and mission performance of the U.S. Coast Guard. As CEO of ASV Global, the world's largest and most experienced unmanned surface vehicle company, I can speak as to where unmanned vessel technology is today and where it is going. However, before I do so, let me commend the work of the U.S. Coast Guard and this subcommittee for its long history of outstanding service. The Coast Guard is saving lives, fighting crime, and defending our country on a daily basis, and the citizens of this country should never take that for granted. Unmanned surface vehicles, or USVs, are simply unmanned boats. Our company alone has delivered more than 100 USVs to military and commercial users across the globe. These USVs have ranged up to 40 feet in length, up to 1,000 horsepower, and endurance in excess of 30 days. However, we currently have several inquiries, both commercial and military, for unmanned vessels in the 80-foot to 200-foot range with endurance up to 3 months. Leidos Corporation recently built a 132-foot USV, while the Norwegians and the Chinese are starting to build USVs up to 260 feet in length. In addition to USVs that cannot accommodate personnel, industry has built dozens of optionally unmanned vessels. Optionally unmanned allows the asset to be deployed with a full crew onboard, a reduced crew, or no crew at all. Finally, ASV Global has upgraded several existing vessels to optionally unmanned. By upgrading to optionally unmanned, existing assets can experience the progression to unmanned without losing existing capabilities. Just as driverless cars have a steering wheel and a driver's seat, the current pragmatic approach to driverless vessels is to allow them to drive autonomously while remotely supervising their operation over a radio or satellite telemetry link. At the same time, COLREG [International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea] compliant collision avoidance software continues to mature so that remote supervision can eventually be phased out. Economics is the driving force towards the use of unmanned vessels. When you go from manned to unmanned ships, you don't need a galley and a mess. You don't need bunk rooms, hallways, heads, washing machines, dishwashers, freezer, stairways, workshops, a meeting room, or a large bridge. In a sense, an unmanned vessel is a hull with diesel tanks, engines, and a rack of computers and sensors. While I don't want to trivialize what is necessary for unmanned vessel operations, the capital cost of an unmanned vessel can be far less than that of its manned equivalent. In addition to reduced capital costs, unmanned vessels can offer reduced daily operating costs as vessel personnel are condensed to those remotely supervising operations and those maintaining unmanned vessels while at port. Finally, CONOPS, such as offshore stationing, can substantially reduce operating costs. USVs can offer persistent maritime domain awareness, where unmanned or optionally unmanned vessels, large or small, can remain on station for weeks at a time, while providing intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance, as well as interception and to a degree, interdiction. Coast Guard personnel at land-based command centers can dispatch predeployed unmanned vessels to intercept and assess. Nonlethal weapons, such as prop-net entanglement systems, can be used by USVs to stop suspect vessels until manned Coast Guard vessels can arrive and apprehend. Offshore stationed USVs can be used for drug interdiction, illegal fishing interdiction, border protection, collision investigations, search and rescue, pollution incident investigations, and investigation of the numerous reported suspect vessels in distress. Coast Guard vessels of all sizes are candidates for upgrades with collision avoidance bridge aids to mitigate maritime collisions. Future ship build programs should certainly consider fully unmanned, partially unmanned, and optionally unmanned ships. These are just a few of the many applications of unmanned surface vessel technology that can be considered by the U.S. Coast Guard. While additional appropriations are necessary for the Coast Guard to capitalize on unmanned technology, the economic and strategic advantages are likely to be overwhelmingly positive as they are with other unmanned technologies in the military and commercial sectors. I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have. Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Mr. Chance. Mr. Coyle, you are recognized for your statement. Mr. Coyle. Good morning. My name is Christopher Coyle. I want to thank the chairman, ranking member, and distinguished committee for giving me the opportunity to speak to you today about blue technologies, an exciting field. Today I am representing IOSTIA, the International Ocean Science and Technology Industry Association, which represents businesses and organizations that provide technology and services for sectors that sustainably and commercially utilize the oceans. As an example of this hearing, IOSTIA provides a unified public policy voice for those in the industry space. During the day I work for Exocetus Autonomous Systems, a company that designs, manufactures, and services deep-sea robots, autonomous underwater vehicles, or AUVs, in business development and strategic partnerships. I also lead the company's data and analytic initiative for the company's XPRIZE entry. In fact, Exocetus was named a semifinalist in the Shell Ocean Discovery XPRIZE for mapping the ocean floor. We were only one of 19 teams selected from around the world out of 1,400 entrants. So we are extremely proud of this moon-shot award. In addition, Exocetus is a semifinalist in NOAA's prize for detecting chemical and biological signals underwater. Our oceans cover 70 percent of the planet. Yet only 10 percent of the ocean floor has been mapped. We know more about the surface of the moon than we know about what lies below the surface of our waters. How is that possible? Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson have spent billions of dollars of their own wealth and raised billions more from Silicon Valley investors. It is sexy and exciting. Yet, they have reenergized the planet's interest in outer space, intergalactic travel, and potential colonization of other planets. But it is entirely misguided. The final frontier to be discovered is our oceans. The next space race is our oceans. Our planet depends on the access to healthy and plentiful oceans. Blue tech should be the focus, not space. As population growth climbs, as migration to concentrated coastal areas continues, as farmlands around the world shrink, as more and more people become dependent on fish protein, as seas play a more herculean role in carbon capture, oceans need to be today's focus for emerging technology, investments, and U.S. Government attention. And so blue technology is the critical technology to encourage as our children grow into adults and take on leadership roles. This past week, I came across an article entitled ``Can the U.S. Navy Brave the Waves of Autonomous Warfare?'' I will hand the article to your staff in case you would like to include it in the record today. The article's thesis is that AUVs offer greater efficiency, mission range, and lower cost of capital than other more traditional naval means. AUVs will prove to be cheaper to operate, put fewer seamen in harm's way, and therefore, assume greater levels of risk. AUVs are more expendable and can augment a fleet to do search and reconnaissance. Last July, DARPA contracted BAE Systems to build small AUVs to detect enemy subs. Today, AUVs are working on sea sensing and mine countermeasure tasks. By 2025, the Navy's AUVs will support undersea warfare by going into denied waters that are either too deep or too shallow for manned platforms. AUVs will continue to provide greater benefit to the U.S. Coast Guard for port and waterway security, maintaining aids to navigation, marine environmental protection, oil spill protection and response, marine pollution laws, fisheries, ocean shipping lanes, and in support of the Coast Guard Authorization Act of 2017. My company, Exocetus, is a quintessential example of a sound U.S. Government collaboration. Exocetus was started with a $15 million Federal grant to develop its buoyance engine resulting in three patents on the engine design and one on the retrieval system. Today, we are proud to say the Navy presently is using our AUVs. To me, the most exciting thing about AUVs are the sensors and the integration of all the emerging technologies, such as cloud computing, artificial intelligence, machine learning, and blockchain to process the big data and analytics that will provide essential information and intelligence for our national security, coastal erosion, port security, shipping lanes, laying fiber optic cables for communication, internet and media companies, and meteorological disturbances, to name just a few. The future for blue technology is bright. The million- dollar question is: Are we going to seize this amazing opportunity and support and invest in brandnew industries that will create high-paying jobs of the future, or are we going to continue to kick the can down the street? If we don't, the Chinese and the Russians will. I am convinced that the potential for the blue economy and blue tech will be the next biggest revolution that we have seen in decades. The best way to predict the future is to create it. Thank you and I look forward to answering any of your questions. Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Mr. Coyle. Dr. Ozkan-Haller, you are recognized for your statement. Dr. Ozkan-Haller. Thank you, Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi, and members of the subcommittee, for the opportunity to testify today on blue technologies developed within academic settings and how they can support the Coast Guard's mission. I am a professor at Oregon State University, and I conduct research on the prediction and forecasting of ocean conditions. My work also explores ways to present forecast results to make them most usable for various stakeholders, including bar pilots, the fishing community, the National Weather Service, and the Coast Guard. My testimony today will focus on the potential for wave forecasting systems and other forecasting innovations to help advance operational capabilities of the Coast Guard, including safe navigation and identification of illegal activities at sea. The development and refinement of these forecasting tools heavily relies on observations of the ocean both from long-term observing platforms, as well as from innovative autonomous platforms that you have already heard about this morning. Today I will stress that strategic investments are required in technology development and in continuing education activities to ensure the effective utilization of these technologies to meet the mission objectives of the Coast Guard. First, ocean wave and current forecasts are analytical tools that can help stakeholders understand and predict ocean conditions. Recent advances in predictive models allow for detailed and high-resolution forecasts of ocean conditions. Forecasts in the open ocean can be used during search and rescue operations to narrow down the geographical area of interest. Forecasts near navigational inlets are a critical capability at many challenging inlets where transit through the river mouth and over the river bar can be treacherous. The mouth of the Columbia River, often colloquially referred to as ``the graveyard of the Pacific,'' is one such example. Twenty-four billion dollars of cargo moves through the Columbia River system annually. The Coast Guard makes decisions about bar closures that halt vessel traffic, and the cost of a bar closure to the local economy is significant. One of the groups that plays a role in bar closure decisions is the Columbia River Bar Pilots. They require accurate forecasts 10 hours in advance because of the time required by a tanker released from the upriver port to reach the river mouth. Once there, most of these tankers are too big to turn around, so the hazard of making a wrong decision can mean a disaster on the bar. For the last 5 years, the Columbia River Bar Pilots have been utilizing our wave forecasts to inform their decisionmaking on navigational planning. We have worked extensively and iteratively with the bar pilots to create an interface that meets their needs and maximizes their ability to use the results. They now use forecasts for the computation of under-keel clearance values, as well as for recommendations regarding the closure of the bar, along with, perhaps more critically, the timing of the reopening of the bar. Additionally, predictive forecasting capabilities also now show promise for identifying illegal activities at sea. Illegal, unreported, and unregulated activities at sea can be challenging to assess and predict. The key challenge is that vessels committing IUU activities turn off their GPS transponders and, therefore, go dark. New solutions for predicting IUU activity using mathematical models based on conflict systems theories are currently emerging, and these methods exploit the fact that vessel traffic responds to the presence and absence of other vessels in the area whether they are visible to us or dark. So observing the behavior of the visible fleet carries clues about the movement of the dark fleet. While this research is still in very early stages, further development of these methods could aid in more efficient and effective patrol strategies. Finally, there is rapid advancement in research and technology innovation, but strategic investment in technology development by the user, in this case the Coast Guard, is critical to assure that any technology of interest is designed to meet their specific capability objectives. Our experience with wave forecasting products suggests that the needs of the bar pilots are quite different from the needs of the tuna fishing industry, for instance. Hence, close engagement is needed during the development phase of the products, and coordinated education is essential to assure the effective utilization of blue technologies by Coast Guard personnel. In closing, research and innovation in the field of ocean wave and current forecasting is proving to be increasingly significant in its potential to be translated into technology and information systems for the Coast Guard. I thank the subcommittee for your efforts to consider the role of technology innovation and applications for efficiently and effectively advancing critical Coast Guard capabilities, and I would be pleased to answer any questions. Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Doctor, for your testimony. Admiral White, you are recognized for your statement. Admiral White. Thank you, Chairman Hunter and Ranking Member Garamendi and honored members of the subcommittee. During my 32-year career in the Navy, culminating in my assignment as oceanographer and navigator in the Navy, I worked with the Coast Guard at sea and ashore. Thus, it is with great respect and appreciation for their service that I am before you today to discuss blue tech on behalf of the Consortium for Ocean Leadership, which represents the Nation's leading ocean science, education, and technology institutions, industries, and others with the mission to shape the future of ocean science, and many of those institutions are represented on this panel today. There are three important ideas to take away from my testimony. One is that ocean knowledge enables the U.S. Coast Guard to achieve its missions through enhanced maritime domain awareness. Two, that blue tech is vital to understanding the ocean. Three is that blue tech innovation relies on ocean science, technology, engineering, and math education or ``ocean STEM,'' as I call it. This flow from mission success, from ocean knowledge, from blue tech, from ocean STEM education is the best way to understand how marine technologies not only improve efficiencies and performance, but are the very foundation that the Coast Guard relies on to meet its mandated missions now and in the future. Now I am going to dive into my first two themes on ocean knowledge and blue tech as they enhance maritime domain awareness. The late Admiral James D. Watkins, former Chief, Naval Operations, used to declare that oceanography won the Cold War, meaning that our superior ocean knowledge provided us with operational and strategic advantage over the Soviet Union. It is paramount that the Coast Guard maintains its strategic advantage in the maritime domain against today's threats to our security and safety. Ocean research and blue tech provide the critical base to ensure this strategic advantage continues. We must be able to exploit our superior knowledge of the ocean environment to ensure home field advantage at both the home and away games. We can only do that if we have unsurpassed ocean knowledge, which brings me to the importance of blue tech. So how do we monitor, explore, map, and better understand the ocean environment that makes up 71 percent of our planet and surrounds our maritime Nation? It is ocean science and technology, and blue tech has provided our Nation with the knowledge advantage against myriad marine threats. The Coast Guard, like all of our maritime forces, must optimize technological development to best understand the environment to meet its mission objectives while minimizing risk to personnel. For example, the autonomous ocean vehicles and sensors that we have talked about already today with ever-increasing endurance and proliferation enhance our ocean knowledge and understanding, but can also serve a dual use of surveillance and monitoring and of the activity on, under, and above the ocean surface. With collaborative partnerships among Federal agencies, ocean science and technology institutions and industry, these are essential to actualizing the potential of blue tech like this to fulfill the Coast Guard's missions. In my written testimony, I go into more detail on what it looks like in the real world with examples of how understanding the ocean and using blue tech will advance our Nation, whether it is helping the Coast Guard to catch the vessels fishing around the world illegally in our own waters, or allowing us to safely and sustainably maximize new economic opportunities in the changing Arctic, or continuing to improve our preparations in responses to hurricanes and storms that threatened our safety and security. I would be happy to expand more on those examples during questions. So it is clear to me without continuing to grow our ocean STEM education base, the Coast Guard will be unable to maximize technology developments and meet their missions. Other nations are advancing rapidly with the hope of overtaking the U.S. in the global scientific and technical fields as a super power. Increasing our ocean STEM education and training will ensure our sailors and civilians have the requisite skills to embrace new and emerging blue tech ahead of competing entities and threats. I encourage this committee to join others in supporting Federal investments in the prioritization of STEM education to enable programs like those at the Coast Guard Academy and develop the next generation of maritime innovators and servicemembers. It is really rather simple. Greater technology requires greater technicians, and that requires enhanced ocean STEM education. To respond to our ocean's physical, chemical, and biological changes while maintaining security around our geopolitical maritime boundaries and ensuring the safety and prosperity of those within them, the Coast Guard must know the ocean. Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi, and Members, the ocean science and technology community appreciates the interest that this subcommittee has in blue tech, and I want to reiterate those three points: Ocean knowledge enables the Coast Guard to achieve its missions through enhanced maritime domain awareness; Blue tech is vital to understanding the ocean; And blue tech innovation relies on ocean STEM education. I thank you for the time and the opportunity to be before you, and I am ready to answer questions. Mr. Hunter. Admiral, thank you. I am going to take us back to the late 1990s when the Air Force was looking at these unmanned aerial vehicles. At that time it was Predators. So picture a bunch of Air Force officers, mostly generals and colonels, all pilots, the head of the Air Force, and we come up and we say, ``Hey, we would like you guys to look at unmanned aerial vehicles.'' And they are like, ``What do you mean? Ones that we are not in flying?'' We say, ``Yeah, ones that you can fly from the ground that a 19-year-old can fly with an Xbox controller. How about those?'' And the Air Force said, ``Go pound sand,'' or, ``go pound clouds.'' I don't know what the Air Force says, but the Air Force said no because a bunch of pilots in the Air Force did not want an unmanned aerial vehicle. It was a culture shift for them. This Congress, and it was back in the day, the late 1990s, the appropriators in the Armed Services Committee said, ``Air Force, you will have Predators. Here you go. Here are some Predators. Learn how to do it.'' The Air Force had to accept that, and it was a massive culture change for them because they had a lot of excuses, airplanes hitting each other; not a real pilot flying them; a lot of different things. We now see in warfare what a Predator does or a ScanEagle or a Pioneer or any of these different things that we use to support our men and women around the world very inexpensively and effectively. It seems like that is where the Coast Guard is at now, except the analogy would be different. It would be if the commercial world had been using Predators for 5 years and the Air Force finally jumped onboard. That is where the Coast Guard is now. So they are behind the commercial world. They are behind the Navy. They basically don't exist in this world at all, except for looking at different programs and testing and evaluating them. They are not playing yet, while this stuff is being used commercially. So it has gone backwards, and I guess our job in the committee and your job letting us know what is available is to make them adapt and change so that they can be more effective. So, Admiral, I guess my first question to you is you have things. You have RPVs, remotely piloted vehicles, unmanned underwater vehicles, autonomous vehicles. You have the liquid robotic surfboard which can be maneuvered and is autonomous, too. It can be programmed. You have an unmanned surface vehicle right now in San Diego in Point Loma that the Navy is using. It was going to be in the big RIMPAC [Rim of the Pacific Exercise] coming up. They are going to actually use it, one of the first autonomous vehicles there. I guess I am throwing this all at you, Admiral, to start off with because you were in the Navy while they have gone through these kinds of changes in culture of looking at these things as well. They are much more embracing of this, it seems, than the Coast Guard is, and I guess the question is: why is that? And what can we do in this committee to make the Coast Guard embrace what the Navy has and kind of get out of the culture of ``wow, if we cannot drive the boat, we don't want anybody to drive the boat''? And I would end with this. At least for cuing, meaning foreseeing the bad guys driving, the Coast Guard could spend $20 million tomorrow and have a 50-mile line coming out from San Diego with surfboards that could recognize any ship going over 40 miles an hour. That exists very easily right now that can tip and cue them then to go get it. The Coast Guard's reason is we cannot catch these guys. We don't see half of them. When we see them, we can usually hit them. It is hard to see these panga boats coming up the coast of California. You can create a tripwire really easily. It is not in their concept of operations. They talk about it, but the technology has existed now for years, and it is out there. They are not doing it. So I guess the question to you is: Coming after 30 years in the Navy, being their oceanographer, being the guy watching the culture in the Navy, where is the Coast Guard in terms of culture, and is that what needs to be changed, looking at Mr. Garamendi's questions earlier in the last panel? Is that what needs to be changed in the Coast Guard or is it really that they need to change laws and regulations to do these little things, or is it a personality issue? Admiral White. I certainly won't perceive to have the knowledge that our predecessor on the panel does of the Coast Guard's acquisition and research process, but I will tell you that the Navy's is the strongest pretty much in the world. Over time we have showed the innovation, whether it is submarines, it is landing airplanes on aircraft carriers, and many things that you have talked about. That ocean research enterprise that the Navy has put forward has really adopted transformational changes which have impacted all of these services. The Navy has always been committed to that. They spend a lot of money. They have a research, development and transition enterprise that, again, is like none other. The Coast Guard and Navy work very closely, but in many ways, my own opinion is that the Coast Guard is always on the front lines. They are always right there. There are things going on on our coast, and they are stretched because of the operational type of responses and the operational readiness and preparedness, ``semper paratus,'' that they always have to actually be there. I believe there are opportunities, as I mentioned in my testimony, across agency working together in partnerships through things like the National Ocean Partnership Program Act, which was entered into operations in the 1997 National Defense Authorization Act. Partnerships between the Department of Homeland Security, Transportation, DoD, NOAA, and others can advance the research and technology and transition if they are used appropriately, and I believe that is the type of avenue that you, sir, and your Members and partners in Congress can go forward and try to advance the research, development, and acquisition process of the Coast Guard. Mr. Hunter. What would you say was the biggest impediment for the Navy when it came to do an autonomous ship, for instance? Because I have been in a room where you have a bunch of captains going, ``We are not going to have a driverless ship. Every Navy ship will be captained.'' I mean, that was a culture issue. Admiral White. And when Secretary Mabus made the announcement 4 years ago at the Sea-Air-Space Exposition that the F-35 would be the last generation of manned fighter aircraft, naval aviators' jaws dropped on the table, as you can imagine. So but what you have, I think, is a workforce based in STEM education over many decades who understands the importance of embracing new ideas and technology. I think that has been the U.S. Navy's strength. Especially now you see that more than ever. So I think embracing that culture and blending that culture with industry and the academic institutions, which the Navy also does through its Office of Naval Research and the laboratories that were actually talked about, that is how the Navy has managed to do that. But a lot of it is personality driven, and the U.S. Navy and the Coast Guard, I believe they have the right personality and the people in leadership to do that. It is just a matter of giving them the tools, the time, and the resources to do it right, sir. Mr. Hunter. So to extrapolate then on what you said, you are saying the Coast Guard is so operational all the time, it is your opinion that they don't necessarily have time to look into these things and operationalize them or it takes longer? Admiral White. Yes, sir. I believe they are stretched. I don't think they have time or the resources, and I don't think we in the Federal Government have the partnerships across the agencies to be able to accelerate transitions of the great work that the other members on this panel are doing in industry and academics. Mr. Hunter. But the catch-22 is that if the Coast Guard did some of these things, they would have more people to do other things and the ability to have some space there because of the leverage you get by employing autonomous anything in sensors. Admiral White. Yes, sir, but I always caution that we did learn a hard lesson in the Navy early on. Unmanned does not mean totally unmanned. It takes people to operate these systems, more and more technology, more and more knowledge, as I talked about it as well. So I do caution you to not think too much that we are going to free up a lot of people because there is plenty of mission for the Coast Guard, the Navy, and all of our forces out there, sir. Mr. Hunter. Thank you, Admiral. Mr. Garamendi, you are recognized. Mr. Garamendi. First I want to thank the panel, an extraordinary panel, and a wide variety of information, from basic research to applied, and then the actual business of building the various systems. It is extraordinary. And your testimony probably two or three flights across the country for the chairman and I to absorb all of the data that you have given me. So thank you so very much for that. I have got about 20 different questions, and about 5 minutes in which to ask all of the questions. But really honing in on the culture of the Coast Guard here--but before I go to that, your testimony and, really, your work is based upon the application of science and research, much of which is funded through the various Federal organizations--National Science Foundation; for example, U.S. Navy, another example that was given here a moment ago. That is really beyond the scope of what we are talking about today. But it is the application of that science, and the development of the various techniques and technologies that come from it that we are focused on. And most particularly on the culture of the Coast Guard. I am sorry that the admiral left, but the reality is that there is within the Coast Guard two things operating, it seems to me. First the culture is not one of adapting quickly new techniques and technologies. And secondly, a lack of money to do so, if in fact that culture did exist. So my--really, my questions go to--from your points of view and the work that you do, how can we encourage the Coast Guard to more quickly adopt the systems that you have developed, the research that you may have available, and just that area. So how can we motivate change or otherwise encourage the Coast Guard to be a first adopter of a technology? Dr. Terrill, then right on down the line we can go at it. Dr. Terrill. Sure. Mr. Garamendi. Money. Dr. Terrill. Well, I am not prepared to discuss procurement reform. But, as an observation, what I have seen in the Department of Defense, especially those parts of the Department of the Defense with seawater in their veins, is that the organized, vertically integrated programs that bring together the operational fleet all the way down to the R&D community, as part of these test beds or exercises that provide opportunities to demonstrate technologies to those in uniform, having them work together so that there is early adoption within those with uniforms so that they can be the apostles within their own organization to start--many times there is not an awareness of what the capabilities are. And having opportunities for the young lieutenants to actually be observant of the capabilities goes a long way, at least within the Navy. Mr. Garamendi. Thank you. Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones. So we're not really the National Science Foundation level. We are talking about companies that are selling technologies. And my experience is the Coast Guard is extraordinarily operationally oriented. And so, to try and get the attention of people in various areas is very difficult. They want it to go through New London. And I think one of the things that could be done--again, this is a cultural issue--is to encourage them to be looking for technologies, and to give them an opportunity to meet with industry. I had a former Coast Guard officer say to me that some years ago he felt that it was much easier for him to work with and meet with technology companies, and that they no longer have their tech forum which they used to have 5 years ago, 6 years ago. They are no longer encouraged the same way--again, this is somebody telling me, so I am saying this thirdhand-- that he felt like there wasn't the same exchange of information and opportunity between industry and Coast Guard. And again, that is a cultural issue. So what I proposed was that each sector have people whose job it is--maybe it is 15 percent of the deputy commander's job--to go find technology, meet with industry, so they can funnel it up to New London, rather than having it all centralized, and potentially putting something on the west coast. So I think there are cultural things that--notwithstanding the fact it is extraordinary and operational every day, saving a life, you know, plus its military role--I think there are things that can and should be done. Mr. Garamendi. Mr. Chance? Mr. Chance. Sure, I would certainly second what you just said on the concept of having somebody concentrate on that, on meeting with industry and finding out what is available today. I would also say that this hearing is already having its effect. You know, I am looking at it aggressively, which I probably didn't as much as I should have in the past, and now we are lining up meetings with the Coast Guard RDT&E. And seeing the funding that the Coast Guard has got more recently to be able to push in this direction is certainly going to help hugely. Mr. Garamendi. Thank you. Mr. Coyle. I can't speak necessarily to the culture of the Coast Guard, but I can say that some of the challenges that the Coast Guard probably faces in implementing some of this new technology, you see that same hesitancy within the tech community and the investment community, and the potential of the blue economy. And so, trying to get IBMs and the Intels and the Oracles of the world to take those lessons learned in emerging technology and apply them to the ocean, the investment community, has been a herculean task. And I have only been doing this for a year. But that also allows for an enormous amount of opportunity to address those problems. Mr. Garamendi. Thank you. Professor? Dr. Ozkan-Haller. Thank you for this question. I have spent the last 25 years of my career developing software tools that I thought could be useful for many entities or industries. And every time I tried to take these tools to these entities or industries, I got resistance. I found that the path past that resistance in almost every single instance has been the idea that these tools should be co-developed, that the stakeholders should be involved in the development process through the development process. And also, the second piece has been educational partnerships, where folks are brought together and brought along. Perhaps that could be one of the ways in which we could encourage industry, academia, and the Coast Guard to work together to really understand what the key issues are, the barriers are that are preventing adoption, and work our way past those together. Mr. Garamendi. Admiral? Admiral White. I said a lot already. I will just say that the Coast Guard has been successful many years in innovating. Look at the work they have done at the Joint Interagency Task Force, in combating a lot of transnational criminal activities through intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance. Look at the work they have done against illegal fishing activities such as high seas drift nets, going back--more modern entities, as well. The Coast Guard can and does innovate. I still get back to I think in many ways it is a problem of resources, and that you have got to invest the resources upfront in the longer term-- rapid transition of the tech that is out there. But I know we all believe it is something that has to be done, so I think we need to look hard at the resources that are available to the Coast Guard to work in partnership with the Navy and the others to address these gaps, sir. Mr. Garamendi. It would be a serious error for me to try to sum up all that you said, but it seems to me that there are a couple of things here. First of all, the culture of the Coast Guard: Take care of today's problem, operational words that are used. That, I think, goes to the incentives of the--if promotion included innovation, the innovation of an officer or of a--any individual of the 42,000, if their promotion also included their interest in innovation and bringing innovation online, so now you build a different cultural attitude. Secondly, the resource, which is a problem that the Coast Guard does have to deal with. I guess we have to deal with it. And we noted the 47-percent reduction in the research technology. And the third is interaction with other governmental agencies. They seem to be the three lessons that I would draw from this. Mr. Chairman, I will yield back. Mr. Hunter. I thank the ranking member. I would like to differentiate, too, between super high-tech stuff that is in its infancy stages and is nascent--and a floating surfboard that can sense if there is oil in the water that has been around for 5 years or longer--longer than that, actually, I just saw it 5 or 6 years ago. That's not rocket science. And just in the same way, if you look at the southern border and you have a border fence now, you have basically an obstacle planted, what it has allowed the Border Patrol to do is spread their people out. Because there is a high-speed road and a fence. So if someone sees something, someone can get there in 1 minute on a quad. They can cover a mile in 30 seconds and they are there. It is the same with the Coast Guard. I don't get the adapting of new things, when it is really just a surfboard that can cue you on a ship coming at 50 miles an hour, or a storm, or oil in the water. That is not rocket science, that is not crazy, and it is not even new any more. But when it takes the Coast Guard 5 years to put a loudspeaker on a small cutter, we are looking at decades before they will allow a surfboard with a sensor that costs $500,000. It is not where I am talking big money, either. I am talking small money, in terms of being efficient and effective. With that, Mr. Lowenthal, you are recognized for your questions. Dr. Lowenthal. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I want to thank the panelists for being here. I just wanted to mention first--and then I will have some questions--that I represent the port area of Long Beach, California, which is right adjacent to L.A. And so I have had the good pleasure of visiting with the port pilots the CDIP [Coastal Data Information Program] buoy network in the San Pedro Bay. And I know the value of the information that these devices both collect to our ports' pilots, and to researchers, oceanographic researchers, and to the entire maritime community. And so every year I lead a letter in the Congress supporting robust appropriation for the CDIP program. And also another program, which I am so impressed with also is one that I think Dr. Terrill at Scripps really led the effort, and that is the Under Keel Clearance Precision and Navigation Project. We have these huge tankers coming in and the ability to get in and out of our ports with very, very little clearance is so, so important. And it--really, the more we can do that, that reduces the inefficiency of offshore lightering, which is something we would like to eliminate, or do as--you know, as much as possible, because that just adds another step and another danger to the process. But I want to get back to the testimony of Dr. Ozkan-Haller and all the others about partnerships across Government agencies. You all talked about, I think, academia, the private sector, how we need these robust initiatives connected across these multiple entities and geographic--I want to know, what can the Congress do about that? What do you think, if you were going to advise us to take some very concrete steps to promote the partnerships that you are talking about? Could you give us some--just dig a little deeper and give us some examples of what you would like us to do? Dr. Ozkan-Haller. Thank you very much for this excellent question. Partnerships between Federal agencies are really key, and they are key not just for the problem that you just mentioned, but for a variety of other problems that are related to the coastal zone, be it, for instance, coastal flooding due to storm events, or be it energy production from waves or tidal currents across the coastal zone. I think, you know, I have always felt that I have been very fortunate to work in a field where there are multiple Federal agencies interested in funding research and development. That is great, you can really expand your portfolio. But at the same time, sometimes certain tasks fall through the cracks, where no one agency feels--especially mission agencies--feel like it falls squarely within their purview to get something done. And sometimes some of the supplied work that we have been talking about, some of this transitioning the research into the hands of the folks who would actually use it, tends to fall through the cracks. This is one of the reasons why I wanted to stress how important it is to make the strategic investment in the technology development piece, in the actual transition, that last missing link to really make it easy for folks on the ground to utilize these. Admiral White mentioned the National Oceanographic Partnership Program. I am part of the Ocean Studies Board of the National Academies. And as part of that we talk about that program a lot as a potential conduit for getting agencies to work together. There has been some resistance in doing so, partially, I think, because of who is in the leadership position of the NOPP program at any given time. I have been told there are only two ways to get agencies to work together, and you all can tell me if this is correct or not. One is they are all buddies and friends and they get along, and so therefore they work together anyway. Or otherwise, they have to be told from above to work together. So maybe that is a place where this committee can come in. Thanks for the opportunity---- Dr. Lowenthal. So we are good at--we are the tellers. [Laughter.] Dr. Lowenthal. Anybody else want to add something to that, in terms of how we create or, really, the role that the Congress should play in fostering and promoting partnerships, especially across Federal agencies? Yes, Admiral White. Admiral White. Thank you, sir. I should mention that there has been a piece of legislation that has been entered into the process, I believe, by Congressman Panetta and Congressman Palazzo called Commercial Engagement Through Ocean Technology Act of 2018. It's CENOTE, by short. This is an act that is meant to basically make NOAA work more closely with Navy to test and develop autonomous vehicles and other blue tech that we have talked about today. The Coast Guard was not called out in that specific piece of legislation right now. But that type of legislation, I would encourage you to take a look at it. Is it something that you might want to look at with the Coast Guard? And--but those type of vehicles---- Dr. Lowenthal. That would be one of the vehicles that you are talking about that would foster that kind of relationship between NOAA and the other agencies? Admiral White. Yes, sir. It would be a teller type of role that you would be playing. The same with NOPP [National Oceanographic Partnership Program]--by the way, which again is an act from the year of 1996, enrolled in the 1997 NDAA [National Defense Authorization Act]. But, you know, could use probably a fresh look and some fresh telling, as well. Dr. Lowenthal. Thank you. Yes, Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones. I assume that you are involved, as you are naming new Commandants and people like that. And to the extent that you ask questions about innovation and technology, I think that is very telling, particularly for younger officers as they are coming up, that they see that that is an area of particular interest. And I would like to just note that the new Vice Commandant, Charlie Ray, did come down, and we put on an event for him. I think we had 10 companies present. He said he'd never done that before, and he was fabulous. Not only did he make a lot of companies really feel good that he wanted to be open, he brought people with him that followed up. And that kind of regional interface, the ability to talk to industry, to know that leadership is interested--again, thinking of these innovation councils going on a regional basis--I think could have a lot of benefit. Also, younger officers can get involved. So I think that things can be done without great cost that can really help change, but particularly, when you make that an issue at approval levels, the highest levels. Dr. Lowenthal. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I yield back. Mr. Hunter. I thank the gentleman. I want to ask a really quick question before we go to Ms. Plaskett. Is there a kind of symposium that the Coast Guard has every year? The Army has a big AUSA [Association of the United States Army] convention, where every tactical killing thing known to mankind is there at the convention center here. The Marine Corps does the same thing. The Air Force has a Big Safari, the Navy has got a big symposium. Have any of you been invited to the Coast Guard technology symposiums on stuff that is out there? Mr. Jones. So I am told the last one was 5 or 6 years ago. Mr. Hunter. That is good. Nothing has happened since then? Mr. Jones. I am sorry? Mr. Hunter. Nothing has happened, technologically in 5 or 6 years, so that is understandable. Mr. Jones. I have a feeling it was probably cost-driven. But they had contracted with NDIA to do an innovation forum. And I think one other way to address that, rather than putting on their own forum, let's say in Washington, DC, a lot of the smaller companies don't necessarily know about it. And maybe the way to address it is to have officers go to tech forums in parts of the United States. So it reduces their cost, and they can go to where technologies already are being shown. Mr. Hunter. Yes, Doctor? Dr. Ozkan-Haller. I would also argue that certainly the local Coast Guard officers that are within my area, the mouth of the Columbia River and other treacherous inlets in the Pacific Northwest, do interact with companies, as well as with academic institutions, but at a much more local scale than what you are referring to. But those interactions, clearly, I think, are also useful. Mr. Hunter. And there is a different dynamic, too. Because if you are in San Diego and you make a new thing for the Marines, you can go to Camp Pendleton, give a regiment or battalion that is deploying the gear, they can go to play with it and actually test it, do operational testing, and come back. The Coast Guard cannot do that. They don't have the rules and regulations set up. So even from my loudspeaker example, the LRAD, they had to go up all the way through, I think, at the admiral level or the captain level in the Coast Guard to be able to put that on a small cutter in San Diego in order to test it. It wasn't just a thing that the local commander there could say, ``Hey, guys, we are going to test a loudspeaker,'' pop it on one of the cutters. They had to get a person who specializes in that, who was already doing it in Florida, and then took that--it is just not as--it is not easy at all, actually, at the local level or at the small unit leader level. Ms. Plaskett, you are recognized. Ms. Plaskett. [No response.] Mr. Hunter. Ms. Plaskett, you are recognized. Ms. Plaskett. Yes, thank you very much. Mr. Chance, I wanted to ask you a question. You all were at the first panel and the discussion that was had at that time. I had a discussion with the testifier then about the use of technology with the Coast Guard in terms of interdictions on drugs and weapons. He talked quite a bit about unmanned aerial systems and their relationship with other law enforcement entities. What would be the use and the efficacy of using UUVs, as well as USVs in this area? Is that a possibility? Mr. Chance. Sure. USVs, which is my area of expertise, I can tell you would lend itself tremendously. For example, we are now converting a 38-foot patrol craft, optionally unmanned, that can stay and loiter offshore for weeks at a time, running a radar, looking for vessels that need to be investigated. So this vessel and the data on board would be monitored back at a control center on shore, or even on a Coast Guard cutter. And so, if the Coast Guard decides that they want to investigate, they can dispatch that vessel out and be able to interrogate it via the satellite base, through the link to the VHF radio, and actually talk to that vessel. Or if they can't communicate that way, through a hailer and then over the satellite link. And if necessary, they can even, as I mentioned in my testimony, deploy a net system that entangles in the prop that will stop that vessel until the Coast Guard can reach them and investigate that situation. Ms. Plaskett. Interesting, really great. Thank you. I had a second question for Admiral White. This was with regard to the investment that is being made. Do you happen to have any statistics or information that speaks to the amount of venture capital that is being invested in the types of technology that you discussed, and various blue technology and its growth? Admiral White. I don't have those at my fingertips, ma'am, I apologize. But I will get an analysis of that for you and get it back to you. Ms. Plaskett. Would you say that the magnitude of that is how much less that is than space or other areas or--what are the ways that we can get VC funding into this area? Admiral White. I will go back to the comments by one of my cohorts on this panel, is that I think that it is absolutely-- there is an order of magnitude difference in the investment that we are making in exploring space and trying to understand what is going on in oceans on planets that we will never live on--for many generations, at least--whereas we need to pay more attention to our own ocean and our own interspace that we have here. It is an order of magnitude difference---- Ms. Plaskett. Is---- Admiral White [continuing]. In terms of technology---- Ms. Plaskett. Is there a role that Congress can play in incentivizing or getting the private sector and these venture capital groups, private equity groups, to be engaged in this? Admiral White. I think working across the various committees between your committee, looking at the science committee, all the actual committees, and focusing and really trying to balance what is really important to our population right now. And the maritime and maritime transportation, maritime safety and security environment has to be paramount for the reasons that we have all talked about. And I just believe you can help elevate sort of the understanding, not just by the folks here in DC, but by our population, writ large. We all love space. We all want to be Captain Kirk, which means it is either our Navy or our Coast Guard---- Ms. Plaskett. Or Uhura. [Laughter.] Admiral White. Even better. But as we do that, we need to understand that it is a change in perception of that. It is a level of importance. And that is through ocean literacy, and ocean understanding, and the STEM, ocean STEM that I talked about, which would drive education of the next generation of our maritime Nation. We should be vested in ocean STEM as a mandate to drive this type of discourse going forward, ma'am. Thank you for the question. [RADM Jonathan White provided post-hearing supplemental information to his remarks to Delegate Stacey E. Plaskett below:] Venture capital investment in space $18.4 billion in private money (e.g., seed money, prize money, venture capital, private equity, etc.) has been invested in the space industry since 2000. From 100 in 2011 to more than 1,000 in 2016, the number of space companies has grown exponentially. To date, 2015 has been the largest venture capital (VC) investment year at $1.891 billion (more than all previous years combined) from 50 VC firms. The bulk of this money came from Google's $1 billion investment in SpaceX. 2017 was not far off that record with $1.596 billion in VC investments from 87 VC firms (up from 44 in 2016). As of 2017, more than 250 VC firms had invested in space activities with 16 making repeat investments. Experts report that investors see dual function in the technology they are supporting (e.g., satellite imagery data management can serve industries beyond space) and believe this has been a key driver for investments. Venture capital investment in oceans Tracking private investments in startup companies and technology is very difficult unless the transactions are made public or specific industry-titled venture capital funds are created. Venture capital funds are investment funds that manage the money of investors who seek private equity stakes in small- to medium-sized companies and startups. To date, the U.S. does not have any blue technology or blue economy VC funds. Additionally, due to the lack of funds, there are no robust efforts to track this information like there are for space. Any VC investments in blue technology to date have occurred through nonspecific VC funds or individual investments. Experts in marine technology recognize the need to establish a designated fund to drive (and monitor) investments and are working towards this goal. In 2017, an important first step was taken by forming the global BlueTech Cluster Alliance coalition. By bringing blue tech companies together, investors can easily and efficiently see the breadth of technology available and how it works together. This partnership also allows the ability to leverage expertise and share financial investments, including international money to foster growth in the maritime domain. What are other nations doing? Other nations are advancing rapidly. China, Singapore, and the United Kingdom are already identifying gaps and are making substantial federal investments in basic research, technology development, education programs, and workforce training. In January 2018, the National Science Foundation (NSF) reported that for the first time, China produced more scientific publications than the U.S. As a metric for discovery and advancement, this is a concerning data point showing our Nation faltering in global science primacy. Additionally, confidence in China's science and technology innovation was evident with $10.7 billion from VC investments in the second quarter of 2017. While the value is lower than investments in U.S. technology ($18.7 billion during the same time), it shows a dramatic increase (214 percent) from 2013 when less than $5 billion was invested for the entire year. In the blue technology sector, seven nations are called out as leaders in ocean innovation; they are members of the global consortium BlueTech Cluster Alliance (BTCA):Portugal (Forum Oceano) Ireland (Marine Institute) Canada (Oceans Advance) Spain (PLOCAN) France (Pole Mer Mediterranee) U.S. (The Maritime Alliance) U.K. (U.K. Blue Growth Network) Additionally, all of these nations except the U.S. are members of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, giving them a leg up on unity when considering partnerships and combined initiatives. What Congress can do Elevate the visibility of and investment in marine technologies through various legislative tools, including appropriations, authorizations, hearings, and briefings. Look for nontraditional legislative vehicles to address the issue. Through reauthorization of the National Ocean Partnership Program (NOPP) Act of 1996, specifically task the NOPP agencies to analyze and track U.S. VC investments on blue technology. Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. And that actually leads to the second question I had. And we talked about the private sector. I wanted to talk about education. The Virgin Islands has one of the premier maritime or marine biology programs. But in other areas related to ocean STEM, I think that there is a dearth of degree options of areas that young people can go into. Particularly, my question was, are there ways that we have tried to increase communities of color, or other minorities-- African American, people of color, Latinos--in this area? And what are the ways that we can drive interest for individuals who live on the coast, communities of color that are tremendously affected by food insecurities, climate change, that is affected by the oceans? Does anyone on the panel have any thoughts? Please. Mr. Jones. First, to your first question, there is not one blue tech investment fund in the United States today. There is not one. There are a number of people focused on space, but there is not one venture fund in the United States that is really focused on blue tech. We are doing our third year, part of Blue Tech Week, a Blue Tech Pitchfest, and we are reaching out around the United States. So I think there are roles for the SBA and other agencies--could try and help make--fund organizations that would invest in blue tech companies. Related to education, we, this year have a major effort in particular to reach out to underserved communities. In a place like San Diego, where the cost of housing is very high, it is very hard to bring somebody in and--technical workers. So we believe that we are going to have to grow our own entrepreneurs and our own technical workers. So we have started an internship program with heavy emphasis on underserved communities. We got some funding from our--a local foundation. We have just started an immersion program. It will be a pilot program. This year we will do 2 weeks. We also started a blue STEM--we used to call it ocean STEM, but we want to be more comprehensive than that, so we are talking blue STEM--with the San Diego Unified School District. We have picked a middle school and a high school. We are creating an academy and a workforce pathway. We are working with our workforce development agency, with all of our universities to really start at the earliest levels. And once we can create a replicable model, we plan to put it all across San Diego County and then across the country. So it is something that we are spending a lot of time on, is this whole component of education. We know it is critically important to bring females and other underserved communities into this. Ms. Plaskett. Mr. Coyle? Mr. Coyle. Can I get back to your investment question? I think there are--as Mr. Jones mentioned about there is no blue tech fund, I think that is one avenue, in terms of--whether it is sovereign wealth management, asset management, private equity, venture capital, there is huge opportunity on that. I was just at a conference in Santa Monica about what is being done in that regard in the Middle East. I was just at a conference 2 weeks ago at Yale University on the impact investment side, which is looking at how do you make profit and do good in the same equation. And if you look at the chairman of BlackRock, I think, sending these CEOs letters about maybe a month ago that their portfolio companies not only have to make profit, but actually have to make an impact, that is fundamental. When you have got one of the biggest asset management companies in the world, you have got the investment community-- there were plenty of Wall Streeters that were there, banks that are now fundamentally looking at this as--not as just donating to a nonprofit--as how do we use technology to return profit and make societal difference? That is fundamental. That's not happened in the investment community. And so I think there is a role that Government can play incentivizing the investment community to pay more attention to emerging blue technology. Ms. Plaskett. OK. Yes? Admiral White. For 21 years there has been the National Ocean Sciences Bowl, started by Admiral Watkins again. It is a high school ocean quiz bowl competition. It brings together multiregions across States and around the country, not just coastal, but Idaho and Colorado. And this is a high school quiz bowl that, unfortunately, is not being utilized to its full potential today. It was meant to--actually designed to be run by a combination of resources from multiple Federal ocean agencies under the NOPP Act, originally. This is an opportunity to work with aquariums in inner cities and underrepresented populations, to grow not just at the high school, but even the middle school level, and really use the ocean. Because the aquariums and parks--ocean attracts people. They want to engage in understanding it. We have a great opportunity through this program and other programs being run through the education partnerships and through other agencies. Not enough attention is being paid to this, in my opinion, writ large, and it would be a great opportunity to ask some hard questions of the agency. You have got tools out there. Why are you not utilizing them to their fullest potential? [RADM Jonathan White provided post-hearing supplemental information to his remarks to Delegate Stacey E. Plaskett below:] Importance of STEM education Good information enables well-founded decisions. Having a foundation in STEM education can make life easier, from understanding mortgage payments and computer basics to natural processes like erosion and weather. A society that understands how physical parameters contribute to climate and natural hazards can make better informed decisions when building homes or preparing for storms. To remain a leader in science and innovation it is critical to educate the next experts in ocean science and STEM. When looking at science course availability, fewer than 50 percent of high schools offer education in Earth or environmental science. 98 percent offer biology 94 percent offer chemistry 85 percent offer physics 48 percent offer environmental science or ecology 48 percent offer Earth or space science 24 percent offer engineering These subjects can help make complex concepts easier to comprehend because they provide real-world examples across multiple disciplines (e.g., physics, geology, physiology, chemistry, biology). U.S. STEM and geoscience jobs are projected to grow by 12.5 and 14 percent respectively from 2012-2022. In 2016 there were 26 million STEM related jobs, but in some disciplines the workforce is aging rapidly (47 percent of American geoscientists in the private sector and 43 percent in the Federal Government were over the age of 55 in 2016). We're looking at a cliff in geoscience workforce. Additionally, the blue economy is projected to double by 2030 to over $3 trillion and 40 million jobs. These jobs demand an ocean-STEM educated workforce and that must start during primary education. Diversity in STEM and O-STEM A 2018 survey reported, Hispanics and blacks comprise 16 and 11 percent of the U.S. job market respectively, and when looking at STEM careers their representation is much lower (e.g., life science 7 and 4 percent, engineers 8 and 5 percent, physical scientists 7 and 6 percent, respectively). The survey asked why Hispanics and blacks are not working in STEM, and the top reported reasons were: limited access to quality STEM education (42 percent), not encouraged to pursue STEM at a young age (41 percent), and don't believe they can succeed in a STEM career (33 percent). If you examine ocean sciences (graduate students awarded master's degrees) a greater lack of diversity is observed, with Hispanics, blacks, and multirace individuals making up 4, 1, and 2 percent of the degrees awarded. However, underrepresentation goes beyond race, including gender and financial disparity. The 2018 study showed 69 percent of individuals with non-STEM careers were interested in a STEM career during high school and college and the main reason they chose not to pursue the field was due to cost and time barriers. How do we cultivate the diverse and innovative future of STEM? Since most high school curricula don't include oceanography, informal educational programs like the National Ocean Sciences Bowl (NOSB) or community initiatives like Pop-Up/Drill-Down Science are increasingly important to introduce students to (and get them excited about) ocean science and blue technology. The 21-year-old NOSB promotes collaboration, teamwork, innovation, critical thinking, and professional development, all valuable skills for the O-STEM workforce. Specifically, 2,000 participants annually from across the Nation, including Alaska, Hawaii, and noncoastal regions. From 2004-2010, funding was used to increase diversity, specifically targeting minorities and underserved communities. The pilot program highlighted minority and underrepresented students' interest in ocean science and NOSB; students lose interest when programs and access are not stable. With concerted efforts and dedicated funding, diversity was nearly doubled. In fact, the 2018 competition year had a participant makeup of 50 percent female, 34 percent non-Caucasian and 66 percent Caucasian (averaged 37 percent non-Caucasian and 63 percent Caucasian over the last 5 years). Pop-Up/Drill-Down Science is a 5-year pilot program specifically designed to expose communities, across age ranges, to Earth and ocean sciences through an immersive ``pop-up'' exhibit entitled In Search of Earth's Secrets. The exhibit debuted in March 2018 with the following goals: Increase access to and awareness of ocean and Earth science and careers, especially in disadvantaged communities, by bringing the exhibit and associated activities and scientists themselves to nontraditional venues ranging from block parties, local festivals, malls and parking lots to libraries, museums, and science centers Create a sustainable model for STEM learning in informal environments Increase interest in the scientific drilling and research activities of the International Ocean Discovery Program among the general public (children, teens, and adults) who attend the Pop-Up/Drill Down Science events Foster partnerships between educators and scientists that lead to broader dissemination of scientists' research and the larger vision of NSF Programs like the National Ocean Sciences Bowl and Pop-Up/ Drill-Down Science are essential for many underserved communities because it might be the only way they are getting exposure to and knowledge about the ocean. Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to ask these questions. And Mr. Jones, I think that the island of St. John, where we are actually about to rebuild our school, would be a great place for you to try another pilot out for these young people. So thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield back. Mr. Hunter. I thank the gentlelady. If there is no further questions, I thank all the witnesses for their testimony and the Members for their participation. The subcommittee is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 12:03 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]