[House Hearing, 115 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] TRANSFORMING GPO FOR THE 21ST CENTURY AND BEYOND ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON HOUSE ADMINISTRATION HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ---------- MAY 17, 2017 ---------- Printed for the use of the Committee on House Administration [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available on the Internet: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/house/administration/index.html ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 27-218 PDF WASHINGTON : 2017 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; DC area (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 Committee on House Administration GREGG HARPER, Mississippi, Chairman RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois, Vice ROBERT A. BRADY, Pennsylvania, Chairman Ranking Member BARBARA COMSTOCK, Virginia ZOE LOFGREN, California MARK WALKER, North Carolina JAMIE RASKIN, Maryland ADRIAN SMITH, Nebraska BARRY LOUDERMILK, Georgia TRANSFORMING GPO FOR THE 21ST CENTURY AND BEYOND ---------- WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 2017 House of Representatives, Committee on House Administration, Washington, DC. The Committee met, pursuant to call, at 11:05 a.m., in Room 1310, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Gregg Harper [Chairman of the Committee] presiding. Present: Representatives Harper, Walker, Loudermilk, and Raskin. Staff Present: Sean Moran, Staff Director; Kim Betz, Deputy Staff Director, Policy and Oversight; Cole Felder, Deputy General Counsel; Erin McCracken, Communications Director; C. Maggie Moore, Legislative Clerk; Ed Puccerella, Professional Staff; Dan Jarrell, Staff Assistant; Jamie Fleet, Minority Staff Director; Khalil Abboud, Minority Deputy Staff Director; and Eddie Flaherty, Minority Chief Clerk. The Chairman. I now call to order the Committee on House Administration for purposes of today's hearing examining the Government Publishing Office and transforming it for the 21st century and beyond. The hearing record will remain open for 5 legislative days so Members may submit any materials they wish to be included. A quorum is present, so we may proceed. I would like to thank the witness for being here today. I know that you appeared before us, I believe, in February, and, as you know, with a full panel of witnesses, it was difficult to give each witness enough time for a broader discussion. I appreciate your willingness to reappear today. When you testified in February, the Committee's focus was on GPO's priorities. What we did not focus on is the context for those priorities. By ``context,'' I mean the changing environment in which GPO finds itself as a result of the digital revolution. GPO is in the printing and information dissemination industries. Like all industries, GPO has been forced to rethink how it operates in a digital world, from top to bottom. Think of this fact: GPO opened its doors the same day that Abraham Lincoln was sworn in as the 16th President of the United States. So that was the mid-1800s. Printing presses and printing plates, ink, hard copies of documents, and, of course, no delivery trucks other than horse and buggy. Contrast these images with where we are today, printing, publishing, and disseminating government information with one click of a computer or your smartphone. I know that Congress has been concerned about GPO's mission in this digital age, commissioning multiple reports, such as the 2013 National Public Administration report, which provided recommendations to keep GPO relevant. GAO audits have been conducted to examine the status of Federal printing and the relevance of Title 44, which is GPO's authorizing statute and title section. Moreover, GPO's own inspector general continues to audit GPO's operations. Of concern to the Committee are five management challenges identified by GPO's IG in the last 11 semi-annual reports to Congress. At the top of the list is the IG's concern that GPO is not focusing on its core mission of information dissemination. Our concern and that of the IG is to see what progress--it appears maybe no real significant progress--by GPO management in addressing that challenge or the remaining four. So we want to give you an opportunity to bring us up to speed on that. And I look forward to discussing your thoughts on GPO's path forward and your thoughts on the IG's audits. Again, I thank you for your appearance before our Committee today. And I would now like to recognize my colleague, Mr. Raskin, for the purpose of providing an opening statement. [The statement of The Chairman follows:] ******** COMMITTEE INSERT ******** Mr. Raskin. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much for those interesting opening thoughts. I want to thank you for calling the hearing. And I want to thank our witness, Director Vance-Cooks, for appearing today to offer her testimony and also for the written testimony that she submitted. As a newly installed member of the Joint Committee on Printing, I very much look forward to putting to good use everything that I learn here today. The GPO provides functions critically important not only to our government but to a strong American democracy. The agency provides the public free documents and informational products from across the three branches. Whether online through the Federal Digital System, the FDsys, or in person at one of the 1,200 Federal depository library locations, GPO keeps citizens informed and actively engaged in our democracy. Through the daily publication and widespread distribution of documents, GPO is instrumental to maintaining an open and transparent government, which is a precondition for a continually effective democracy. As Madison put it, ``A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.'' GPO is also essential to the continuity of operations of the Federal Government in the event of a disaster. GPO's continuity-of-operations initiative allows Federal Government agencies to continue to administer essential functions in the event of a natural, manmade, or cyber threat and ensures that GPO is still able to print congressional documents, the Congressional Record, and the Federal Register, as well as to produce U.S. passports. As the publication and dissemination of content becomes increasingly digitized, GPO has adapted very well to this changing landscape, which is remarkable for an agency over 150 years old, as the chairman said. I am thrilled that the GPO has recently won awards for digital achievement, graphic design, and innovator of the year from In-Plant Graphics. I look forward to hearing testimony from the Director about how the agency will not only continue to adapt but also to innovate and thrive as technology advances. The spread of the internet is a money-saving opportunity for us in terms of not having to use as much paper but also creates the possibility of greater dissemination of information, and we look forward to your thoughts on that. With that, Mr. Chair, I yield back. [The statement of Mr. Raskin follows:] ******** COMMITTEE INSERT ******** The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Raskin. Does any other Member wish to be recognized for the purpose of an opening statement? I would now like to introduce our witness. Davita Vance- Cooks became the 27th individual to direct the U.S. Government Publishing Office in 2013. Ms. Vance-Cooks is the first woman and African American to lead the agency and has served in a variety of management roles at GPO since 2004. As Director, Ms. Vance-Cooks has guided the agency towards cutting costs, while at the same time modernizing GPO to improve services. Specifically, GPO is focused on expanding the electronic availability of government information via mobile apps, bulk data downloads, and e-books. So we welcome Ms. Vance-Cooks back. The Committee has received your written testimony. You will have 5 minutes to present a summary of that submission. As you know, to help you keep the time, the clock on the table, or the light system, there will be a green light for 4 minutes and will turn yellow when 1 minute remains. When the light turns red, it means that your time has expired. I am not sure that we do anything if you keep going. We are honored to have you back here and look forward to hearing your testimony. So the chair now recognizes Director Vance-Cooks for purposes of an opening statement. You are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE DAVITA VANCE-COOKS, DIRECTOR, UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE Ms. Vance-Cooks. Chairman Harper and Members of the Committee, good morning. Thank you for inviting me to join in this discussion of transforming the GPO for the 21st century and beyond. GPO is one of my favorite topics, and I am delighted to have the opportunity to share my thoughts on GPO's future. I am pleased to report that, in order to meet the needs of the 21st century and beyond, the GPO has been successfully transforming from a print-centric manufacturing facility to a content-centric publishing operation, all within the requirements of Title 44. In the past, GPO transformed itself by adapting new technology to improve the production and quality of printed products. But the transformation we will discuss today is far different and more complex. Today, our transformation is not only to improve our production processes but to introduce new products that meet the demands of an increasingly digital world. We have come a long way. The GPO is a publisher, a print broker, a product integrator, and a developer of digital information platforms. Our transformation reflects strong partnerships with our public-sector customers and our private-sector suppliers. We have developed a diversified and integrated product and services portfolio that leverages private-sector technologies and expertise. It creates jobs within the private-sector business community and offers a cost-efficient set of products and services. Transforming to a content-centric publishing operation has been the overarching goal of the GPO since I assumed responsibility for the agency in 2012. Over the past 5 years, we have adjusted the size and the scope of the workforce, which is at the lowest it has ever been this past century. We are lean, and we are agile. And our information outreach, therefore our value, has exponentially increased because of our digital information operations. We are providing more information in more formats to more people than ever before. Our financials are strong. We are audited each year by an independent auditor, and each year we have received unmodified, ``clean'' opinions. We pride ourselves on being cost-efficient and -effective, and for fiscal year 2018, for the third year in a row, we have submitted a flat appropriations request. In my prepared statement, I provided highlights of our activities and our accomplishments. I listed a number of them. For example, we rolled out the beta version of govinfo, the third generation of our digital information repository; we introduced phase one of our new digital composition system; we are gearing up to begin production of the next-generation passports. But these achievements and others reflect our commitment to our stakeholders--Congress, Federal Government agencies, the depository libraries, and the public--so that you can thrive in the 21st-century digital environment. Especially important to me has been the role that the men and women of the GPO have played in the transformation. In the fiscal year 2016 OPM Employee Viewpoint Survey, GPO employees rated this agency higher than the government-wide average. They consider the agency to be a good place to work. They believe in the mission to keep America informed, a mission rooted in Article I, section 5, of the Constitution. Not only have GPO employees been responsible for carrying out GPO's transformation, they have been the ones, with their expertise and their qualifications and their dedication, who have worked diligently to create a culture of innovation, which is why we have received a number of awards for our digital successes. Most recently, we were named innovator of the year by the In-Plant Graphics magazine. I am proud to work alongside the GPO employees. Through their efforts and continuing commitment to excellence, we will be ready for the 21st century. Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, this concludes my opening statement, and I would be happy to respond to any questions you may have. [The statement of Ms. Vance-Cooks follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Thank you, Director Vance-Cooks, for your testimony. We look forward to this opportunity now to ask you some questions. Each Member is allotted 5 minutes to question the witness. To help each member track their time, we will use the same timing device here. And I will begin by recognizing myself for 5 minutes. Director Vance-Cooks, as you know, of course, Title 44 of the United States Code, Public Printing and Documents, provides that all printing for Congress, the executive branch, and the judiciary, except the Supreme Court, is to be done by or conducted by GPO unless otherwise exempted. It includes all of GPO's statutory authority and requirements, so it is a pretty-- a lot of broad information in Title 44 that I know you have to operate under. Really, Title 44 hasn't seen any significant reforms since 1993, and a lot has changed, if we think just that short period of time since 1993, the technology and other things that are going on and available. To meet the current needs of the American public and the digital age, from your standpoint, from your view, what reforms should Congress consider making to Title 44? Ms. Vance-Cooks. There is a chapter in Title 44, chapter 19, which refers to the work of the Federal Depository Library Program. As you know, the Federal Depository Library Program is responsible for information dissemination to the public, public access. As we stand today, we have about 1,148 depository libraries in our organization or partnering with us. Forty-six of them are regionals; the balance are selectives. We are allowed to have two regionals per State. Last year, it was my decision to send my LSCM staff out to the different libraries to understand what is going on out in the world. How are the libraries handling the shift towards the digital platform? My executive staff even went out. I even went out and visited. We visited over 250 libraries. And what we found was that the libraries are grappling with the issues related to the digital environment. They have problems with staffing. They have problems with funding. They have problems with space. Yet Title 44 has some requirements that require that they continue to hold on to a lot of the publications. But some of those publications are going digital. So I would say to you that it would be in our best interest and it would be of interest to the Federal depository library community to ask them what they think about Title 44 and how they are operating within the restrictions and/or the benefits of it, because we have to make sure that our information is publicly available. But they are shifting towards a digital format. We are too. The Chairman. And of course we can ask them, which we will certainly work through you to do that. Is there anything else, though, that you see that would be of benefit that we need to look to make this work more seamlessly and more smoothly? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Well, when we look at Title 44, we noticed that all of our business segments operate within the operation of Title 44. Of course, that would be our plant operations, our Customer Services, and so on and so forth. We just have to make sure that Title 44 is broad enough to cover the changes that will occur as a result of the digital environment. The Chairman. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. I understand that we can't predict what will happen with the digital environment, but we need to make sure that Title 44 allows us the flexibility to handle it. The Chairman. Okay. You know, Title 44 defines ``printing'' as including duplicating but does not separately define what ``duplicating'' means. How does GPO distinguish between duplicating and copying, if there is a distinction? Ms. Vance-Cooks. I would not say there really is a distinction. The Chairman. Okay. So what guidance is GPO providing to executive agencies to ensure that they are correctly identifying duplicating that should be sent to GPO? Ms. Vance-Cooks. We know that our process involves an SF-1 process. We trust that our government agencies understand their publishing requirements. One of the reasons why we pushed for our name change is because we recognized that printing is simply the core of what we do but that we must have a diversified product portfolio that includes publishing. Publishing includes mobile apps, e-books, bulk data downloads, all sorts of other products that up to this point no one had even thought about with Title 44. But there is a clause in Title 44 that allows us to talk about and to respond to digital information platforms. The short answer to that question is that we are prepared to consult with our government agencies in their publishing requirements, but we cannot force them just to think of publishing as printing. It is more than that. And that is why I believe that we are in the best position to guide them in their publishing aspects as opposed to printing. The Chairman. Thank you. The chair will now recognize Mr. Raskin for 5 minutes for questioning. Mr. Raskin. Thank you, Chairman Harper. I am going to follow up on some of these questions. Madam Director, do you foresee a time when printing will actually no longer be needed or it will be the aberration rather than the norm? Ms. Vance-Cooks. I believe that there will always be room for printing. Let me explain why we will always have a tangible product and why we will always have printing: Because we will always have the need for authenticity. We will also always have the need for archives. We will always have to respond to the fact that some demographic segments will never have access to the internet. And we also have to be aware of the fact that there are lots of questions about authenticity and changes in the data from the point of origin to the point at which it is displayed to us. I don't believe that we will ever reach a point where we will not have the tangible print. When I look at Customer Services--this is the area or the business unit within the GPO that is responsible for printing and publishing print procurement products for the agencies--I have noticed that, instead of the revenue declining, as you would expect if print is declining, the revenue is actually increasing. So it points to the fact that there will always be a need for tangible print products as well as the intangible products. Mr. Raskin. Can you tell me--and forgive my ignorance here--what is your relationship with the Library of Congress, and how closely do you work with them in terms of planning on the digital future or present that we are in? Ms. Vance-Cooks. The Library of Congress is a partner of ours. Let me give you a couple of examples. We have a digital repository system called FDsys. FDsys is a repository of government information that we are responsible for. As it stands now, it has about 1.6 million titles, and we see about 35 million, 40 million documents downloaded each month. FDsys actually is the fuel for Congress.gov. Number two, we work with the Library of Congress to digitize a lot of their publications--well, not their publications, but to digitize. For example, we are working with them to digitize the Congressional Record all the way back to the inception. You might have seen some of our press releases where we have released all the way back to the 1960s. And also the Library of Congress is a member of our FDLP program. So there are very close ties with the Library of Congress. Mr. Raskin. So you are in the process of digitizing the Congressional Record back to the beginning? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Yes, we are, in collaboration with the Library of Congress. We have 1990s, 1980s, 1970s. We just released 1960s, and we hope to release the 1950s in June. Mr. Raskin. So you are doing about a decade, what, every-- -- Ms. Vance-Cooks. A decade a month? Yes. That is true, yes. Mr. Raskin. So, within a couple years, the entire Congressional Record back to the beginning. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Hopefully within a year. Mr. Raskin. Within a year. Wow. That is something. Okay. How satisfied are you that you have the right mix of skills in your workforce today? And what are the skills that you are looking for in terms of hiring? Ms. Vance-Cooks. The skill set of our employees has changed, as you can imagine. When you go from a print-centric operation to a digital-centric operation, of course the skill sets are going to change. For a long time, the GPO was primarily blue-collar. It has now shifted to the fact that we have more white-collar than blue-collar. The skill sets are more along the lines of graphic design, printing, proofreading, those type of skills. We also have a lot of skill sets that are required for our cybersecurity work. We have a lot of work going on in the IT area. It is very important that we protect our work, that we protect it from cybersecurity, so you are seeing a lot of that. Mr. Raskin. Okay. Mr. Chair, thank you very much. I yield back. The Chairman. The gentleman yields back. The Chair will now recognize the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Walker, for 5 minutes for questioning. Mr. Walker. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Vance-Cooks, for being here today. I always appreciate your in-depth research and your preparedness. A few questions that I would have today. I would like to start off with: As a legislative agency, is it in the best use of taxpayers' funds for GPO to continue to serve as its own landlord? Could you address that just for a moment? Ms. Vance-Cooks. To serve as its own landlord? Mr. Walker. Yes. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Okay. I would like to answer that question the other way. Mr. Walker. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. GPO has a building, as you know--we actually have four buildings on North Capitol Street. Those four buildings at one time included 8,600 employees. Mr. Walker. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. We are now at 1,700. We have extra space. We operate our budget in the sense that only 16 percent of our budget is appropriated. The balance of that budget, we earn the revenue. And we earn that revenue and use the retained earnings to pay for the building and to pay for the upkeep. Mr. Walker. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Because of that and because of the fact that we have space, we rent out the space. By renting out the space to other leg branch agencies in particular, we can get about--in fact, we are getting about $2.6 million in revenue, which we use to defray the costs of operating the building. So it is not a matter of us trying to go out to be a landlord; it is a matter of us using our dollars wisely, making sure that we have the space available for other agencies that need that space. Mr. Walker. Let's take a minute then, and I like the direction that we are going here as far as doing a little business modeling or forecasting, if you will. If you are looking out 5 to 10 years from now--you just mentioned as far as the employee reduction, the overhead functions. Give me a little bit of an idea, 5 to 10 years from now, what does it look like in terms of size, staffing, and maybe even the mission? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Okay. The GPO, in terms of size, I think is probably at the level that it will maintain. It is about 1,700 employees. The reason I say that is because we have become much more automated and much more digital in our approach towards our products. We are, as I mentioned earlier, more white-collar than blue-collar. We are adding more equipment that is more digital, and that automation has actually improved our productivity and efficiency. So I think we are just about where we need to be. In terms of the building, we are pretty much at capacity now because we have five tenants. The five tenants, I would like to tell you, are the Architect of the Capitol, the Capitol Police, the International Commission on Religious Freedom, Senate Sergeant at Arms, and just this week the OFR is moving in. And the OFR, as you know, is very tightly connected to the GPO, and they took up 17,000 square feet. We have also designated about 50,000 square feet for NARA because they need space for congressional archiving. So the bottom line is that our building will probably stay the same, the usage of the space will probably stay the same, and our employee base will probably stay the same. Mr. Walker. Those are the tangibles. The third part of that was the mission---- Ms. Vance-Cooks. Right. Mr. Walker. And, kind of, looking on that. I know I threw a three-part question at you, but in regards to the mission, should GPO's goal to be to expand revenue, or should it embrace technology and continue to try or make some effort in reducing the cost of operations? Could you speak directly to the mission? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Sure. I think the GPO's mission is to keep America informed. Our mission is not to expand our revenue or to try to make, and to be colloquial, a lot of money. Our mission is to keep America informed, in accordance with Title 44. We are not allowed to make a profit, according to Title 44. We have retained earnings that we use that are put back into the agency for reinvestment of equipment and supplies and all of that to make us more efficient and to make sure that we can respond to the needs of our stakeholders. We are very much aware of the fact that Congress is going to move towards the 21st century and require more and more support from us to be more digitally savvy. To give you an example, you have asked us to be a member of the Bulk Data Task Force because you have constituents who want to have access to the data that is provided on your behalf so that they can repurpose the data so that they can, in fact, give more information to the public in keeping with America informed. That is what we do for Congress. We do everything we can to help you thrive, to help you be more savvy in the 21st century. Mr. Walker. Okay. Thank you. With that, I will yield back to the chairman. Thank you, Ms. Cooks. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Thank you. The Chairman. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Georgia, Mr. Loudermilk, for five questions--I mean 5 minutes, not five questions. Mr. Loudermilk. Mr. Chairman, I can stretch five questions out for quite a while. The Chairman. It just depends on how long you want to take. Mr. Loudermilk. All right. Well, thank you for recognizing me for 5 hours, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Vance-Cooks. I am sorry, did you say 5 hours? The Chairman. I think he meant 5 days. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. I am sure we will have an opportunity to continue this conversation, but I have a couple questions. I have been really intently listening here, and a couple of areas clarification I didn't hear an answer to. How many of the FDLPs do you currently operate? Ms. Vance-Cooks. We have 1,148 FDLP libraries. Mr. Loudermilk. Eleven hundred and forty-eight. Ms. Vance-Cooks. That is right. They are spread across the United States: 46 are regionals; 1,101 or 1,102 are selectives. You are allowed to have two regionals per State, and then you can have as many selectives as possible. But not all of our States have regionals, not all of our States have two regionals. And there are a number of issues that we need to address related---- Mr. Loudermilk. Have you seen an increase or a decrease? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Decrease. Mr. Loudermilk. You have had a decrease. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Yes, we have had a decrease, which is--I am really glad you asked that question. That is why, in the very first question, when the chairman asked me about which title, which part of Title 44 would we like to look at, it was that chapter that specifically relates to the FDLP. We are losing membership in the FDLP because of the fact that we need to be a little more flexible as the libraries, too, begin to shift and transfer---- Mr. Loudermilk. So what caused the decrease? Ms. Vance-Cooks. I think it is because of the lack of flexibility, in some cases, or probably---- Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. So it wasn't a decrease in the number of FDLPs because we are moving to a digital age. I mean, you weren't purposely decreasing. Ms. Vance-Cooks. No, no, no, no. Mr. Loudermilk. You weren't. Okay. How much of your budget or your money is spent on operating and maintaining the FDLPs? Ms. Vance-Cooks. We have an appropriation; it is called the public information programs. And it is about $29 million, $30 million. It was $30 million last year. Mr. Loudermilk. Thirty million just goes to operating the FDLPs? Ms. Vance-Cooks. That is right. Mr. Loudermilk. None of your ancillary revenue goes to support that? Ms. Vance-Cooks. No. Mr. Loudermilk. So it is just an appropriation. Ms. Vance-Cooks. That is right. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. What is your balance in private and public production? Do you use private sector for any of your production and publication? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Yes. Great question. Our Customer Services area is--another name for it would be called print procurement. We are responsible for procuring printing on behalf of the government agencies. We do that by procuring it through the private business sectors. We have about 9,000 private businesses that are registered with the GPO to provide printing. Most of them, sir, are small businesses, between 2 and 50 employees in that particular category. So when a Federal Government agency sends a request into the GPO, we immediately turn around and procure it out, we bid it out. It is competitively bid, no set-asides---- Mr. Loudermilk. For the physical printing. Ms. Vance-Cooks. That is right. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Or it could be publishing. Mr. Loudermilk. How do you determine--so it is by a bid process is how you determine who gets that? Ms. Vance-Cooks. That is true. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. And this is what I referred to earlier when I talked about the fact that I am surprised to see that our printing revenue is increasing in that area, because, as Congressman Raskin asked, you know, do you think that printing is dying, and what we see is that this is actually increasing as opposed to declining. But the good thing about us going through the private sector is that, by competitively bidding it, we are leveraging all of the power of the entire process so that we provide very, very efficient, very effective, cost-effective rates. I will say to you that, when I looked at all of the members of the Committee to determine exactly how much money you all were getting in your particular States, last year the entire print procurement revenue was $353 million; $197 million of that came from your particular States. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. In the past decade, in the last 10 years, how much printing has the executive branch eliminated? I mean, how much---- Ms. Vance-Cooks. Many years ago, I think it was almost 500 million. Now it is 353 million. That is a good way of looking at it. Mr. Loudermilk. Three hundred and fifty million dollars? Pages? Documents? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Revenue. I am looking at it from revenue-- -- Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. In terms of executive agencies, yes. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. So you have eliminated $353 million worth of---- Ms. Vance-Cooks. No, no, no. No, sir. You asked me, over a 10-year period, how many or how much revenue---- Mr. Loudermilk. No, what work--I mean, what printing work has the executive branch eliminated? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Okay. The way in which I can respond to that is by looking at the revenue, the printing revenue, that we have been responsible for generating on behalf of---- Mr. Loudermilk. So it is very revenue-centric for you. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Well, at this point, for this particular question, it is. But for the question for the record, if you would like me to look at the number of orders, I can do that for you. Mr. Loudermilk. Yeah, I would like to know what we have been able to eliminate. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Sure. Mr. Loudermilk. So kind of what I am hearing is, even though we are moving to the digital age, that digital age isn't reducing the cost of operating because we are still printing as much---- Ms. Vance-Cooks. No. Mr. Loudermilk. As we printed before? Ms. Vance-Cooks. I think it is best to say that, as we shift towards--excuse me, they want me to say something. Hold on. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. What they want me to say is that the jobs---- Mr. Loudermilk. You guys are ``they.'' I got it now. Ms. Vance-Cooks. No, I mean what they want me to say, okay, you know, because I think I am doing pretty good explaining it to you. Okay. We are talking about whether or not the executive agencies have reduced their printing. And I am saying to you that the executive agencies have shifted towards digital, just as we have, and we have supported their effort to shift toward digital. But there are cases where they are asking for the printed product. And in terms of the questions for the record, I will be happy to tell you what kind of orders are---- Mr. Loudermilk. Sure. I would appreciate that. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Sure. And what they want me to tell you is that the jobs are stable. I know that. I am telling you that the jobs are in fact stable. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Thank you. I see the red light is on. That was a quick 5 days, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Yes, it was. Thanks for the questions. I appreciate that. The Chairman. So, actually, the red light has been on for a while, but we let you go. The gentleman yields back. Just a couple of comments before we conclude. And if anything that I say, if either of the members here have any followup, we will certainly allow you to do that. You know, the management challenges in the IG report are of concern. And, in fact, the last 11 IG reports--and I believe you get one every 6 months, correct? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Yes. The Chairman. Have listed these same management challenges. And what we know is that, according to the IG, they say in the report: ``When GPO attains significant progress''--whatever ``significant progress'' in the eyes of the IG is--``when GPO attains significant progress toward resolving an issue identified as a management challenge, OIG removes the challenge.'' And we have had these same five challenges on there: keeping focus on its mission of information dissemination; addressing emerging workforce skills; improving the enterprise architecture and infrastructure to support enterprise-wide as well as GPO's FDsys transformation; securing information technology, or IT, systems and protecting related information assets; and then improving print procurement programs. So those are pretty serious mission statements or items that are under your responsibility. And I know we have to-- certainly, we understand you to be focusing on revenue. But we also have to make sure that we are not, by that, deviating or getting off-message---- Ms. Vance-Cooks. Right. The Chairman. Of what our mission should be. So, this Committee, as an oversight committee, we will have another hearing before the year is over after the next IG report. And we would really like to see some of these come off. Ms. Vance-Cooks. May I address that question? The Chairman. I am going to give you that opportunity. Let me just, kind of, finish where I am here. I know you inherited these, okay? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Yes. The Chairman. But these are significant enough, particularly--we talked momentarily, just a minute earlier in your testimony, on cybersecurity concerns, which have been a great concern and in the headlines this last week. So we want to make sure that we are doing these things. So I don't know what the definition, without going further is, of ``significant progress,'' but I think reasonable minds, we could probably agree without a Supreme Court interpretation of what ``significant progress'' is. And I am just saying, as an oversight committee, we want to see that significant progress so that, when we come back at the end of the year and look at the next IG report, that we have seen significant progress, the IG reports that, and we are happier. How about that? And, with that, I would love to hear your response, Director Vance-Cooks Ms. Vance-Cooks. I certainly agree with you about the importance of the management challenges. I would like to go on record as stating that the management challenges as written will probably remain, but we will work very diligently on reducing the number of recommendations related to it. The very first management challenge that you referenced earlier in your remarks has to do with a statement that the IG made, that we should keep our focus on information dissemination. What he was actually referring to was making sure that we develop a culture that speaks towards information dissemination. And we are doing exactly that through the innovative work that we are doing in terms of digital information. The other three challenges are specifically related to IT and cybersecurity. And you are absolutely right, we need to make sure that some of those come off. I want to assure you that we have been working on those, but we will make sure that significant progress is noted the next time I come in front of you. And the last one, this is the one about improving the print procurement system. If you take a look at the strategic priorities that we have listed for fiscal year 2017, one of them is the fact that we are about to introduce a new system called DASH. We are looking at automating the print procurement system, which, Congressman Loudermilk, is what I was referring to the print procurement area, because that particular system needs to be updated so that we have the ability to see how the print procurement is working through the system. So I hear you, and we will make sure of that. Thank you. The Chairman. Thank you very much for responding to that. And, with that, Mr. Raskin, do you have any followup questions or comments? Mr. Raskin. Okay. Thank you. Just one final point, Mr. Chairman. So I understand that the Partnership for Public Service rated the Government Publishing Office as one of the best places to work in the Federal Government. And I am wondering-- this is music to my ears, since a number of my constituents work at the GPO. I represent the Eighth Congressional District in Maryland. What kinds of things have you been doing to keep morale high and to keep your employees engaged? Ms. Vance-Cooks. I believe in the importance of communication. When I became the head of the agency, acting at that point, in January of 2012, I made a pledge to the employees that I would communicate with them constantly. So every quarter I have townhall meetings. And because we are open 24-7, that means that our townhall meetings are pretty long. We have one townhall meeting every quarter, and it goes all day, five in one day. We start off with the union labor meeting townhall. With that union labor townhall, we always connect with them to make sure that we are on the same page in terms of what we are trying to do to improve the GPO, because we both want the same thing. So, since January of 2012, Congressman, I have had over 100 townhall meetings. That communication is critical, and I think that is helping. Mr. Raskin. Terrific. Well, I just want to salute you for your leadership of the office and for creating such a great place for people to be productive Federal employees. Ms. Vance-Cooks. Thank you. The Chairman. The gentleman yields back. Mr. Loudermilk, any followup? Mr. Loudermilk. Yeah, just a couple. Has GPO moved work previously performed by the private sector to the GPO plant? Ms. Vance-Cooks. I didn't hear you. Mr. Loudermilk. Have you moved any work that was previously done by the private sector actually in-house, to print in- house? Ms. Vance-Cooks. The in-plant operations is primarily for Congress. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. That is congressional work. And then any other work that is noncongressional is primarily the Federal Register. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. And then, after the Federal Register, we do some of the CFR, which is part of that as well. So that is it. Mr. Loudermilk. But have you moved any that was previously printed by the private sector and brought it back in-house? Ms. Vance-Cooks. Every now and then, we have what is called filler work, and we might take one of the Customer Services work, some of that might go into the plant. But it is insignificant in comparison to what we do. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. So, in general, you haven't moved anything in-house. Ms. Vance-Cooks. No. We pride ourselves on putting the executive agency work through the print procurement system. Mr. Loudermilk. Okay. Ms. Vance-Cooks. That is what we do. Mr. Loudermilk. All right. I yield back. The Chairman. The gentleman yields back. I certainly want to thank Director Vance-Cooks for her patience and always appearing and always being willing to come talk to us. And we greatly appreciate you doing that. Without objection, all Members will have 5 legislative days to submit to the Chair additional written questions for the witness, which we will forward and ask Director Vance-Cooks to respond to as promptly as she can so her answers may be a part of the record. Without objection, the hearing is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 11:46 a.m., the Committee was adjourned.] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]