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PRIVATE SECTOR LUNAR EXPLORATION
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COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS
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COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY
HON. LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas, Chair
FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas
DANA ROHRABACHER, California ZOE LOFGREN, California
MO BROOKS, Alabama DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois
RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon
BILL POSEY, Florida ALAN GRAYSON, Florida
THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky AMI BERA, California
JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma ELIZABETH H. ESTY, Connecticut
RANDY K. WEBER, Texas MARC A. VEASEY, Texas
STEPHEN KNIGHT, California DONALD S. BEYER, JR., Virginia
BRIAN BABIN, Texas JACKY ROSEN, Nevada
BARBARA COMSTOCK, Virginia JERRY MCNERNEY, California
BARRY LOUDERMILK, Georgia ED PERLMUTTER, Colorado
RALPH LEE ABRAHAM, Louisiana PAUL TONKO, New York
DRAIN LaHOOD, Illinois BILL FOSTER, Illinois
DANIEL WEBSTER, Florida MARK TAKANO, California
JIM BANKS, Indiana COLLEEN HANABUSA, Hawaii
ANDY BIGGS, Arizona CHARLIE CRIST, Florida
ROGER W. MARSHALL, Kansas
NEAL P. DUNN, Florida
CLAY HIGGINS, Louisiana
RALPH NORMAN, South Carolina
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Subcommittee on Space
HON. BRIAN BABIN, Texas, Chair
DANA ROHRABACHER, California AMI BERA, California, Ranking
FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma Member
MO BROOKS, Alabama ZOE LOFGREN, California
BILL POSEY, Florida DONALD S. BEYER, JR., Virginia
JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma MARC A. VEASEY, Texas
STEPHEN KNIGHT, California DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois
BARBARA COMSTOCK, Virginia ED PERLMUTTER, Colorado
RALPH LEE ABRAHAM, Louisiana CHARLIE CRIST, Florida
DANIEL WEBSTER, Florida BILL FOSTER, Illinois
JIM BANKS, Indiana EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas
ANDY BIGGS, Arizona
NEAL P. DUNN, Florida
CLAY HIGGINS, Louisiana
LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas
C O N T E N T S
September 7, 2017
Page
Witness List..................................................... 2
Hearing Charter.................................................. 3
Opening Statements
Statement by Representative Brian Babin, Chairman, Subcommittee
on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S.
House of Representatives....................................... 4
Written Statement............................................ 6
Statement by Representative Ami Bera, Ranking Member,
Subcommittee on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and
Technology, U.S. House of Representatives...................... 8
Written Statement............................................ 10
Statement by Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, Ranking
Member, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House
of Representatives............................................. 12
Written Statement............................................ 13
Witnesses:
Mr. Jason Crusan, Director, Advanced Exploration Systems, NASA
Oral Statement............................................... 14
Written Statement............................................ 17
Mr. Bob Richards, Founder and CEO, Moon Express, Inc.
Oral Statement............................................... 23
Written Statement............................................ 25
Mr. John Thornton, Chief Executive Officer, Astrobotic
Technology, Inc.
Oral Statement............................................... 35
Written Statement............................................ 37
Mr. Bretton Alexander, Director of Business Development and
Strategy, Blue Origin
Oral Statement............................................... 46
Written Statement............................................ 48
Dr. George Sowers, Professor, Space Resources, Colorado School of
Mines
Oral Statement............................................... 53
Written Statement............................................ 55
Discussion....................................................... 63
Appendix I: Answers to Post-Hearing Questions
Mr. Jason Crusan, Director, Advanced Exploration Systems, NASA... 80
Mr. Bob Richards, Founder and CEO, Moon Express, Inc............. 87
Mr. John Thornton, Chief Executive Officer, Astrobotic
Technology, Inc................................................ 92
PRIVATE SECTOR LUNAR EXPLORATION
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Thursday, September 7, 2017
House of Representatives,
Subcommittee on Space
Committee on Science, Space, and Technology,
Washington, D.C.
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:05 a.m., in
Room 2318 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Brian
Babin [Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
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Chairman Babin. The Subcommittee on Space will now come to
order.
Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare
recesses of the Subcommittee at any time.
Welcome to today's hearing titled ``Private Sector Lunar
Exploration.'' I recognize myself for five minutes for an
opening statement.
Exploration, particularly space exploration, is inherently
and inescapably a matter of vital national strategic
importance, both today and in years and decades to come.
Because space exploration is so strongly linked to a wide range
of current and future national interests, it is easy for us, as
lawmakers, to fall into the habit of thinking of space as a
strictly government operation and effort.
But not only can space involve the private sector, it must
involve the private sector. Fully incorporating newly explored
domains into our sphere of economic influence will ensure U.S.
leadership in the future. Moreover, space is so vast and
immense that it is foolish to propose that we can meaningfully
plumb its depths without resources, talent, and drive that are
so abundant in America's private sector.
There's no guarantee that the private sector will be
successful. To the contrary, there will certainly be failures
but the failures and successes should be determined by the free
market. For this same reason, the private sector should not be
artificially subsidized by the government. We should not leave
our nation's space exploration future purely to the whims of
market uncertainties, and we should not bet our nation's future
in space on any one company. As we've seen so often in space,
companies, and even entire sectors, come and they go. Our
leadership in space is far too important to subject it to that
kind of risk and uncertainty.
So while we will begin our discussion here today with
NASA's testimony to provide context and help frame our
deliberations, our intent is to understand not just how
government-led exploration of space is proceeding, but where
the private sector will take us and how these public and
private actors will work together for their mutual benefit.
This hearing gives us an opportunity to understand what has
worked well in the past, as well as what we could do better in
the future. NASA has a vast array of tools at its disposal:
traditional contracts, grants, cooperative research and
development agreements, various funded and unfunded Space Act
Agreements, and anchor tenancy agreements. All of these tools
offer unique advantages and risks. Careful consideration should
be given to which tool is used in order to ensure that the
taxpayer is protected, and that the government does not corrupt
the market. Ultimately, I hope that we can better understand
if, how, and when the Moon can be integrated into human
economic activity.
The Moon is the closest source of raw materials to Earth.
In particular, the lunar poles may contain vast quantities of
water, an invaluable resource for space exploration. Water is
not only necessary to support the life of astronauts and crew;
it can also be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, which are
excellent propellants.
Industrial, financial, and technical giants like Carnegie,
Rockefeller, JP Morgan, and Edison dominated the economic and
industrial landscape of the late 19th century America. Advances
in information technology in the late 20th century brought us
Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon.
Will space be the next sector to lead economic growth? I
don't know. If space becomes a home and workplace for humanity,
if space can become part of our sphere of economic influence,
then someday, perhaps in the far future, we will see those
industries take root and grow.
But we cannot compel such an ambitious outcome, but by
careful and thoughtful consideration we can, hopefully and
humbly, enable it. At the very least we should not stifle it. I
hope that today's discussion will help inform all of our
thinking about the future of private sector exploration of
space.
[The prepared statement of Chairman Babin follows:]
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Chairman Babin. And now at I'd like to turn to the
gentlelady from--the gentleman from California, Dr. Bera.
Mr. Bera. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And actually before I
begin, I want to express my full support and sympathies to both
you, your constituents in your district, and the employees at
the NASA Johnson Space Center, and all those that were affected
by Hurricane Harvey as well as those being affected by
Hurricane Irma. Our thoughts and prayers go out to them, and
they have our full support and you have our full support
through the long recovery.
Chairman Babin. Thank you.
Mr. Bera. It also does emphasize the important work of this
Subcommittee as well as the Full Committee in better
understanding Earth sciences, better understanding weather
changes, and making sure that we do have the best forecasting
equipment and satellites that are out there.
With that, I want to welcome the distinguished panel today,
and thank you for calling this important hearing on lunar
exploration plans and proposals.
Forty-eight years ago, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin
touched down on the Moon, imprinting mankind's first footsteps
on the Moon's surface. When astronauts Eugene Cernan and
Harrison Schmitt lifted off the lunar surface on December 14,
1972, who would have imagined that they would be the last
humans to visit the Moon for nearly a half-century and
counting?
Now, we don't know exactly when humans will return to the
lunar surface, but what is clear is that we're at the doorstep
of a renaissance in Moon exploration. Soon, the Moon may
entertain many visitors in the form of robotic spacecraft and
rovers from many countries, and some, as we will hear today,
will be owned and operated by commercial entities. Innovative
technologies that will enable testing and demonstrations may
one day lead to routine cargo and perhaps even routine human
flights to and from the Moon and help promote increased
economic activity in space. However, let's also not forget that
the Moon remains an important scientific research center and
the importance of finding that public-private nexus.
A 2007 National Academies report identified several
scientific priorities for Moon exploration including the
exploration of the lunar poles. According to the report, the
South Pole Aitken Basin, in particular, is a priority for
further scientific exploration because ``it is the oldest and
deepest observed impact structure on the Moon and the largest
in the Solar System.'' And, you know, that exploration, as the
Chairman touched on, you know, if in fact we confirm the
presence of lunar ice there, can have huge impact, and
certainly as we think about the Moon as a potential secondary
launch site as we go and further explore into deep space, it's
incredible important. But also as we look at this pristine
laboratory, we want to make sure that, you know, we are
balancing the research needs--if I think about Star Trek and
the prime directive--and that we are not actually introducing
other organisms or anything else, that may actually disrupt our
science.
So, I look forward to hearing about the commercial
entities, the potential of that nexus of the commercial sector,
the scientific community, NASA all working together, and I
think this is an incredibly important time for both lunar
exploration but also for deep space exploration, and the
importance of this Committee at this particular time I think is
incredibly important.
A few questions that I hope to hear being addressed in
today's hearing are, what are the market drivers for commercial
efforts to explore the Moon? Who are the projected customers
for planned private lunar exploration services and what
services will be provided to those customers? How is NASA
currently collaborating with the private sector on exploration
of the Moon and are the current models of partnership working
well? And are there opportunities for the private sector to
collaborate with the science community on their exploration
plans?
I'm looking forward to hearing, and I think it'll be very
interesting.
With that, Mr. Chairman, I will yield back
[The prepared statement of Mr. Bera follows:]
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Chairman Babin. Thank you.
And now I would like to recognize the Ranking Member of the
Full Committee for a statement, Ms. Johnson.
Ms. Johnson. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Good
morning, and welcome to our witnesses. This hearing on private
sector lunar exploration, I think is important.
While not a substitute for our governmental space programs,
there are many innovative ideas for potential non-governmental
roles in space emerging. Private sector innovation can capture
the spirit of opportunity and engage and inspire the
development of scientific and technical talent. It has the
capacity to support commercial interests as well as
governmental space activities, where appropriate.
This morning, we will hear about one example of potential
commercial space activities--private sector lunar exploration.
To date, only governmental entities have explored the Moon, but
the private sector is getting interested in the Moon too.
It's no surprise that the Moon and its vicinity are of
interest to a growing number of private sector entities and
other nations. The Moon provides a potential testing ground for
human exploration systems, operations, and activities. It
harbors resources that could potentially be used to support
lunar surface operations or exploration beyond the Moon, and
some would argue that it even offers a destination for
potential space tourists. I look forward to hearing from our
witnesses about their plans for private sector lunar
activities, NASA's current role in those efforts, and about
both the opportunities and challenges that lie ahead for the
private sector in carrying out their plans.
In addition, while not the focus of this hearing, it is
important to note that the Moon has long been a body of
scientific study, through U.S.-led and international lunar
science missions, including from samples collected and returned
on the Apollo missions. To that end Mr. Chairman, as we discuss
private sector plans for lunar exploration, it is important
that we understand the potential impacts of such activities on
scientific priorities related to the Moon.
Before I close, I want to extend my thoughts and prayers to
those in Houston and the surrounding areas and, especially, Mr.
Chairman, to you for being a stalwart in an area that was
devastated with the storm. I want to include the NASA
employees, contractors, and partners of the Johnson Space
Center. Their steadfast commitment to ensuring the safety of
the ISS crew and continuation of the James Webb testing during
Harvey's devastating rains exemplifies the professionalism and
commitment they give our country's space program every day,
even during times of extreme duress.
I thank you, and I yield back.
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Chairman Babin. And we sure thank you for your comments
there.
Now let me introduce our witnesses. Our first witness today
is Mr. Jason Crusan, Director of Advanced Exploration Systems
at NASA. He holds bachelor's degrees in electrical engineering
and physics, a master's degree in computer information systems,
and is currently a candidate for a doctorate in engineering
management at George Washington University. Thank you for being
here today.
Our second witness today is Mr. Bob Richards, Founder and
CEO of Moon Express. He also chairs the Space Commerce
Committee of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation and serves
on the Board of the Space Foundation. Mr. Richards studied
aerospace and industrial engineering at Ryerson University,
physics and astronomy at the University of Toronto, and space
science at Cornell University. Thank you for being here.
Our third witness today is Mr. John Thornton, CEO of
Astrobotic Technology. Mr. Thornton led development of
Astrobotic spacecraft including Red Rover, Polaris, and the
Artemis lander, and the Griffin lander. He holds both a
bachelor's of science and a master's of science degree in
mechanical engineering from Carnegie Mellon University. Thank
you for being here.
And then our fourth witness today is Mr. Bretton Alexander,
Director of Business Development and Strategy at Blue Origin.
He has served as a Senior Policy Analyst for Space Issues in
the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy under
both Presidents Bush and Clinton as well as President of the
Commercial Spaceflight Federation. Mr. Alexander holds both a
master's degree and a bachelor's of science degree in aerospace
engineering from the University of Virginia. Good to see you
this morning, too.
Our fifth witness today is Dr. George Sowers, Professor of
Space Resources at Colorado School of Mines.
Mr. Perlmutter. Colorado. You heard that.
Chairman Babin. Thank you, Ed, appreciate that. I think
they heard that, though.
Dr. Sowers has also worked for Martin Marietta, Lockheed
Martin, and the United Launch Alliance. Dr. Sowers holds a
bachelor's of science in physics from Georgia Tech as well as a
Ph.D. in physics from the University of Colorado. He is also a
Fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics and
Astronautics.
So I now recognize Mr. Crusan for five minutes to present
his testimony.
TESTIMONY OF MR. JASON CRUSAN, DIRECTOR,
ADVANCED EXPLORATION SYSTEMS, NASA
Mr. Crusan. Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,
thank you for the opportunity to appear today to discuss NASA's
support of private sector exploration of the Moon.
NASA is working to foster commercial use of space and
engagement with the broader domestic and international space
community. This effort will build on the progress NASA
commercial partnerships have been using to develop spacecraft
and rockets capable of delivering cargo and soon astronauts to
low-Earth orbit.
Its capabilities could also enable new science and
exploration missions of interest to the larger scientific and
academic communities and can fit well with concepts being
discussed for human missions in cislunar space. In turn, they
have the potential to provide important enabling competencies
as NASA expands human presence into deep space.
NASA lunar science has helped map the Moon in incredible
detail, determine the presence of water ice, and understand the
Earth's satellite's irregular gravity field. NASA lunar
missions are increasing global knowledge and understanding of
the origins of our solar system, informing future exploration
efforts of the Moon and other planetary bodies, and bringing
the agency closer to having infrastructure and technologies
needed to explore future destinations like Mars.
As part of the agency's overall strategy to conduct deep
space exploration, NASA has been supporting the development of
commercial lunar exploration. In 2014, NASA introduced an
initiative called Lunar CATALYST, and the purpose of this
initiative was to enable development of U.S. private sector
robotic lunar landers that can deliver payloads to the lunar
surface using U.S. commercial launch capabilities. Through
CATALYST, NASA has provided partners with in-kind contributions
including technical expertise, access to test facilities,
software and loaning of equipment, and the initial flights of
these commercial lunar landers may begin as early as 2018.
As a result, one or more of our partners would be able to
market lunar payload delivery services for small instruments
and technology demonstrations. Future commercial lunar
transportation capabilities could also support science and
exploration objectives such as sample return, geophysical
network deployment, resource utilization, and technology
advancements.
The agency is currently assessing possible robotic mission
concepts, acquisition approaches, and associated payloads for a
potential series of lunar cargo missions to the surface of the
Moon starting as early as 2018.
In support of these objectives, NASA issued a Request for
Information seeking ideas from industry for NASA participation
in existing or future commercial missions to the Moon. The
agency is interested in assessing the availability of
commercial delivery services from Earth to the lunar surface as
early as next fiscal year.
NASA continues to pursue other lunar exploration efforts as
well. NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, has produced
the highest quality global topographic map of any planetary
body and continues to share its data openly with the public.
The Korea Pathfinder Lunar Orbiter mission, South Korea's first
mission in exploration, will include NASA's ShadowCam, a highly
sensitive optical camera that will peer into the regions that
may hold volatiles, including water. NASA plans to include four
Lunar Research CubeSats as part of the 13 CubeSats that are
launching on Exploration Mission 1, the first launch of the
Space Launch System. And lastly, NASA has been studying a
potential Resource Prospector surface mission that would take
the next step in understanding in the harvesting of resources
and regolith, specifically volatiles, particularly in the lunar
polar regions.
So NASA is committed to expanding partnerships with the
U.S. government agencies as well as academic, industrial and
entrepreneurial and international communities. NASA's
collaborative efforts for fostering innovation in a growing
space industry are continuing to transform capabilities and
accelerate technologies to achieve national strategic goals.
Mr. Chairman, I'd be happy to respond to any questions you
or the other Members of the Subcommittee have. Thank you.
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Chairman Babin. Thank you very much, Mr. Crusan.
I now recognize Mr. Richards for five minutes to present
his testimony.
TESTIMONY OF MR. BOB RICHARDS,
FOUNDER AND CEO, MOON EXPRESS, INC.
Mr. Richards. Thank you, Chairman Babin, Ranking Member
Bera and Members of the Subcommittee. It is an honor to be
invited to speak with you today about the efforts of U.S.
commercial space industry in pioneering new business models for
lunar exploration and development.
Only a few decades ago, Earth orbit was an economic
frontier and the singular domain of government space agencies
today. The private sector satellites generated billions of
dollars of commerce annually in a mature, well-established
economic sphere that impacts our everyday lives and has
immeasurably improved life on Earth.
Now commerce looks beyond Earth orbit to a lunar frontier,
which has also been the realm of governments but over the last
decade, a combination of exponential technology and private
sector investment has brought the Moon within reach of the
commercial sector.
Today, I address you as Founder and CEO of Moon Express, a
privately funded commercial space company created to seek and
unlock the resources of the Moon through a progressive series
of commercial robotic missions starting with our maiden voyage
scheduled to launch next year.
I founded Moon Express with dotcom pioneers Naveen Jain and
Barney Pell in 2010 as an enduring business, which starts with
the creation of new space technologies and low-cost missions
designed to capture and generate new markets for robotic lunar
exploration. We are a Silicon Valley-born and -backed
enterprise with investors ranging from billionaires to venture
funds to celebrities. We began our life at the NASA Ames
Research Park in Mountain View, California, and in 2015 we
relocated the company to Cape Canaveral on Florida's Space
Coast where we have licensed the historic Launch Complexes 17
and 18 from the U.S. Air Force and are currently refurbishing
these facilities for our spacecraft, engineering tests, and our
mission control.
Our vision is to open up the lunar frontier for everyone
with turnkey payload data and mission surfaces to the Moon for
a wide range of customers globally including governments, NGOs,
commercial enterprises, universities, and consumers.
To do so, we have developed a flexible, scalable robotic
explorer system that can reach the Moon and other destinations
in the solar system from Earth orbit. After years of quiet
development, we unveiled our robotic exploration architecture
on July 12th just down the hall from this hearing room ranging
from our MX-1E scout-class micro lander to our frontier-class
MX-9 supporting lunar sample return. We have contracted for up
to five launches from Rocket Lab USA aboard their electron
rocket, which achieved a remarkable level of success during its
maiden flight last May, and we expect to become operational
later this year. Our first lunar scout mission in 2018 will
utilize the electron together with our MX-1E explorer to
deliver a diverse manifest of scientific and commercial
payloads to the lunar surface. This will be followed by
expanded capabilities and ongoing missions. Our manifest is
fully booked for our maiden mission, and we will be offering
payload accommodations on our future ongoing missions planned
at the rate of about one per year, but we are also prepared to
scale up our systems and increase our flight rate to meet
rising market demand and opportunity.
We have a big vision but it wouldn't be possible without
the help we received from NASA. Moon Express has been honored
to be partnered with NASA since the inception of our company
through reimbursable Space Act agreements with both NASA Ames
and Marshall Spaceflight Center. We were able to invest in and
make use of NASA lunar lander test vehicles that allowed us to
advance our own spacecraft control software. In 2014, we were
selected as one of three industry partners with NASA for the
Lunar CATALYST program established to spur commercial cargo
transportation capabilities to the surface of the Moon.
Supported by Lunar CATALYST and the Kennedy Space Center, we
conducted test flights of our own lunar lander test vehicle at
the shuttle landing facility, beginning a long-term
collaboration with KFC, and that continues today. Thanks to our
partnership with NASA, we're well on our way to building our
maiden launch mission next year, which is in various stages of
fabrication, assembly and test.
In the big picture, it's been 45 years since the United
States left the surface of the Moon to the legacy of Apollo and
a generation past. Moon Express is working to reopen the
American frontier and the Moon and redefine what is possible
for new generations.
The American flag is returning to the surface of the Moon
next year, not because of a government program but because of
private sector investments into low-cost rockets and smart
robotic explorers that are collapsing the cost of lunar access.
Together, we will begin a new democratized program to make the
Moon accessible to entrepreneurs.
We are at the cusp of a glorious adventure. We aspire to
the stars. Mars beckons as a second home for humanity, and the
Moon is our gateway.
Thank you for the time and the opportunity to present this
testimony.
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Chairman Babin. Thank you, Mr. Richards.
I now recognize Mr. Thornton for five minutes to present
your testimony.
TESTIMONY OF MR. JOHN THORNTON,
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER,
ASTROBOTIC TECHNOLOGY, INC.
Mr. Thornton. Chairman Babin, Ranking Member Bera, and
Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to
discuss our nation's future on the Moon.
Incredibly, America has not returned to the lunar surface
since the Apollo program ended in 1972. This has put our nation
at a disadvantage as other nations like China have landed
increasingly ambitious robotic missions on the surface of the
Moon.
As we approach the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 landing,
our nation has a unique opportunity to answer a growing global
demand for a reliable, proven means to access the lunar
surface. Some nations are beginning to fly with the Chinese but
it's not too late. By supporting our nation's entrepreneurs,
America can once again lead the world back to the Moon.
Thankfully, with the strong technical support of NASA,
especially through the leadership of Jason Crusan's AES Office,
American industry is restoring access to the Moon with small
robotic lunar landers.
Founded in the Rust Belt city of Pittsburgh in 2007,
Astrobotic is leading the way to reestablish American access to
the Moon with small-scale cargo delivery. We have assembled a
world-class team of partners including NASA, United Launch
Alliance, Airbus, and DHL. Together, we are building the
Peregrine lunar lander, a privately developed spacecraft
capable of delivering up to 265 kilograms of cargo to the Moon.
In August, I celebrated ten years of building Astrobotic and
the lunar market. Today, I am proud to say that Astrobotic is
leading the world in lunar sales and market development with 11
deals representing six nations and a lunar pipeline of over 115
deals worth more than $1.8 billion. Astrobotic is flying its
first mission to the Moon in 2019, the 50th anniversary of the
Apollo 11 landing.
Peregrine is not a precursor or a demonstration. It is
right-sized from the beginning to address the existing lunar
market. At the historic price of $1.2 million per kilogram,
Peregrine enables activities like resource development,
scientific investigation, technology demonstration, and
exploration.
The future is bright but tenuous for sustainable commercial
lunar cargo delivery. The government would be wise to leverage
and augment existing international lunar payload demand rather
than overwhelm it with an oversupply of large landers that have
no sustaining commercial demand for the foreseeable future.
Small landers like Peregrine stand ready to support
upcoming NASA crewed exploration missions on SLS Orion to the
deep space gateway by enabling telerobotic access to the
surface. Small lander missions are our first step toward one
day reestablishing human presence on the Moon and launching a
cislunar off-world economy.
Much of Astrobotic's market progress is owed to a proven
technical track record and world-class partnerships. For
instance, Airbus is providing engineering support and expertise
from ESA programs. Throughout partnership with United Launch
Alliance, we will launch as a secondary payload from Cape
Canaveral on America's reliable Atlas V launch vehicle,
continuing a proud history of successful lunar missions
including LRO, LCROSS and GRAIL.
NASA is providing access to their engineers and facilities
through the highly successful Lunar CATALYST program, and we
are encouraged by steps NASA has taken this year including
issuing RFIs for small lunar payloads and lander services. With
CATALYST insight into our service, Astrobotic believes now is
the time for NASA to join our payload manifest.
We appreciate the leadership of House CJS Appropriations
Subcommittee Chairman Culberson, Ranking Member Serrano, and
Members of the Committee in providing $30 million in the fiscal
year 2018 appropriations bill for a small robotic lunar lander
demonstration mission. We are hopeful the Senate will follow
the House's lead, and this funding will be included in a final
omnibus, which could allow NASA to send payloads to the Moon.
We encourage this Committee to lend its full support for this
program in the appropriations process this fall.
As this Committee plans for the next NASA authorization, we
urge you to authorize a frontier-class lander services program
for small lunar landers within the launch services program
similar to the Venture-class program. This would provide a
contractual mechanism for NASA to easily purchase lunar payload
services.
Mr. Chairman, we are proud to be leading the Moon shot from
America's Rust Belt. This is a special moment for our company,
our industry, our region, and our nation. Small lander services
like Astrobotic have a proven market with sales, world-class
partners, and credible spacecraft. With support from Congress,
we can ensure American lunar market leadership and NASA's
return to the Moon.
I look forward to any questions you may have.
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Chairman Babin. Thank you very much, Mr. Thornton.
I now recognize Mr. Alexander for five minutes to present
his testimony.
TESTIMONY OF MR. BRETTON ALEXANDER,
DIRECTOR OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY, BLUE ORIGIN
Mr. Alexander. Chairman Babin, Ranking Member Bera, and
Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to
speak before you today about private sector lunar exploration,
a topic that we're very excited about at Blue Origin.
Before I begin, I'd like to extend our thoughts and support
to our friends at Johnson Space Center and the broader Texas
community as they recover from Hurricane Harvey and to those at
Kennedy and throughout Florida in the path of Hurricane Irma.
Blue Origin was founded to bring about a future where
millions of people are living and working in space. We are
committed to building the next generation of space
transportation and are prepared to bring significant private
capital to partner with NASA for return to the lunar surface.
It's time for America to return to the Moon, this time to
stay. Enabling NASA and U.S. commercial activities on the Moon
is a key step on the path to long-term exploration of the solar
system.
Imagine driving from DC. to Los Angeles nonstop. You'd have
to carry with you all of your fuel, food, and other necessities
with you, which would make for a difficult trip. The Moon
provides the resources and proximity to enable human
exploration of deep space destinations like Mars, making it the
ideal proving ground and first step.
For example, the lunar South Pole's Shackleton Crater
contains critical resources for fuel and power generation while
also offering a nearby proving ground for deep space
exploration technologies.
All of this potential has not gone unnoticed. Many
commercial entities and nations have plans for an ambitious
decade of lunar exploration. The United States should be the
leader in this worthy endeavor.
Blue Moon is a space transportation and lunar lander system
that can cost-effectively deliver more than 10,000 pounds of
cargo from Earth to the lunar surface. This equates to about
five Mars Curiosity Rovers, or two Ford F-150 trucks. When you
can cost-effectively and precisely soft land large amounts of
cargo on the Moon, there are few limits on what you can do,
everything from science rovers to resource discovery and
utilization mission to surface habitats is made possible.
Blue Moon is scalable, repeatable, and based on proven
technologies. Optimized to fly on NASA's Space Launch System,
Blue Moon also scales to fly on many different launch vehicles.
Just pick the launch vehicle and go. Smaller payloads, such as
NASA's Resource Prospector, can use an Atlas V rocket, while
larger payloads can use Blue Origin's New Glenn launch vehicle
or NASA's SLS.
Blue Origin's proven technology provides a fast path to a
U.S. lunar landing capability for medium to large payloads.
Blue Origin's BE-3 is the first new liquid hydrogen-fueled
rocket engine to be developed for production in over a decade.
It has been proven during five launches and landings of our New
Shepard vertical landing booster. The BE-3's efficiency, deep
throttling and relight capabilities all translate into more
useful payload mass landed on the Moon.
Precision landing is also key, and Blue Origin has
demonstrated this capability with the same New Shepard vehicle
five times in less than a year. Both technologies reduce
development time and risk.
Blue Origin has made and continues to make significant
investments in the foundational technologies needed for Blue
Moon. As part of a public-private partnership with NASA, we are
willing to invest further in developing this capability. We
invite NASA to partner with Blue Origin using innovative
contracting mechanisms that require private sector investment
and cost-sharing. NASA's Commercial Cargo and NextSTEP programs
represent successful models that require partners to bring
money and technologies toward achieving shared goals. These
partnerships allow the country to meet big objectives more
rapidly, while also promoting economic development and U.S.
strategic leadership in space.
A NASA Reauthorization Act should include provisions that
prioritize landing on the lunar surface in the near term. It
should establish a regular cadence of cargo missions and
include a strategy for the Moon as a stepping-stone for
expanding human exploration in our solar system.
We are on the verge of a new space age, one defined by
multiple international competitors focused on getting to the
lunar surface. This Congress has the opportunity to ensure
America's continued leadership in space. The Moon should be the
near-term focus of human spaceflight beyond LEO as a necessary
step toward exploration of the solar system, and Blue Origin is
willing to significantly invest in partnership with NASA to
accelerate America's return to the Moon.
Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
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Chairman Babin. Thank you, Mr. Alexander. I appreciate
that.
I now recognize Dr. Sowers for five minutes to present his
testimony.
TESTIMONY OF DR. GEORGE SOWERS, PROFESSOR,
SPACE RESOURCES, COLORADO SCHOOL OF MINES
Dr. Sowers. Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee,
thank you for the opportunity to appear today to discuss
private sector lunar exploration.
The subject of today's hearing is of great interest to me.
It's part of a larger topic, one that is truly revolutionary,
that of bringing the resources of space into the economic
sphere of humankind.
There have been two major economic revolutions in human
history: the Agricultural Revolution of 10,000 years ago, which
gave birth to human civilization, and the Industrial Revolution
of 300 years ago, which gave rise to the tremendous increase in
human well-being and prosperity we enjoy today.
Space resources will be the third major economic revolution
and will usher in an era of unprecedented prosperity and
flourishing. Furthermore, the development of space resources
will enable us to save the Earth as we unchain human progress
from the constraints of Earth's ever-diminishing resources.
Compared to Earth, the resources available in space are
virtually infinite. Consider the power output of the Sun is 10
trillion times the power consumption of humans. Just one
metallic asteroid 500 meters in diameter contains more
platinum-group metals than have ever been mined.
Finally, we now know that the solar system contains
abundant quantities of water. If you have water, you have
hydrogen and oxygen, which are the most efficient chemical
propellants known. Water is the oil of space.
We know these resources exist. Bringing them within the
economic sphere of humankind requires the machinery of a robust
space economy, and that means harnessing the power of the free
market. Competition in the free market spurs innovation,
leading to efficiency and growth. But the foundation of the
free market is the consumer, the ordinary citizen, the
taxpayer. The space economy must deliver value to consumers on
Earth. Hence, the first place to begin is cislunar space.
The goal then of private sector exploration of the Moon is
economic development. Extraction and utilization of lunar
resources will be cornerstone of that development. The Moon is
rich in resources that will drive the cislunar economy but the
resource that would be most valuable in the near term is water
processed into propellant. It happens that water is abundant at
the lunar poles, billions of metric tons per pole by some
estimates. A year ago, while at United Launch Alliance, I
became the first person to offer to buy propellant in space. I
set up price for propellant bought either at the lunar surface
at $500 a kilogram or in high-Earth orbit like the first Earth-
Moon Lagrange Point at $1,000 per kilogram. At these prices,
the cost of any activity beyond low-Earth orbit becomes
dramatically reduced. For example, the cost to deliver mass to
the surface of the Moon will be reduced by a factor of three.
The cost of a Mars mission will be similarly reduced. So you
can see that the water on the Moon is an immensely valuable
resources. Strategically, we should view the poles of the Moon
as the next Persian Gulf.
I've described the cislunar economy as a free market but
the operation of a free market requires government to establish
a framework of rights, enforce contracts, and to provide
security. These things are part of the machinery of a robust
space economy and are essential to reduce business uncertainty
and enable private sector investment.
Beyond the minimal, there's much the government can do to
stimulate the creation of the cislunar economy. First is to
invest in the basic science to characterize the resources and
develop the technologies to exploit them. One approach would be
for NASA to establish a space resources institute, partnering
with both academia and industry, domestic and international, to
solve some of the basic problems common to all.
Second is to participate in the cislunar marketplace. I set
a price for propellant based on purely commercial
considerations, but having NASA as an additional customer
purchasing propellant for, say, a Mars mission would
significantly improve the business case and attract more
competitors, driving more innovation and lowering costs even
further. That's the virtuous circle of the free market.
Finally, NASA could invest through public-private
partnerships in, for example, lunar water mining operations.
This approach has proven successful with Commercial Crew and
Cargo, and works well when the risks are too great for the
private sector to take on by itself.
In conclusion, humankind is on the cusp of a third major
economic revolution that promises to bring unprecedented
prosperity and well-being for all. The first step is the
creation of the cislunar economy with important roles for both
the private sector and government.
Thank you again for inviting me to testify, and I look
forward to your questions.
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Chairman Babin. Thank you, Dr. Sowers.
I'd like to thank all the witnesses for your testimony. The
Chair now recognizes himself for five minutes for questions.
Mr. Crusan, how could NASA leverage private sector
technologies, products and services on future exploration
concepts such as the potential deep space gateway or the
hypothetical deep space transport? What elements are better
suited to partnerships, and what aspects are more appropriate
for a government-owned and operated effort?
Mr. Crusan. Mr. Chairman, we've been analyzing those exact
cases that you've been asking about. We have our Next STEP
initiative related to the gateway activities and how we
construct and actually build that critical infrastructure, and
we're trying to find that proper balance between government
objectives and commercial objectives, both in the creation of
that fundamental infrastructure but also in the utilization of
that infrastructure as well.
Lunar CATALYST now with the potential to buy lunar landed
services, are another extension of that instead of building
technologies that are only for our own use here at NASA but
building technologies that are fundamental to the industry
demand that they need as well. So through CATALYST, we've been
sharing the vast wealth of knowledge we have at NASA, sharing
it with the U.S. industry openly to allow them to make the
maximum best use of that. In every one of these endeavors, we
have to tread carefully, though, to find that proper balance,
and that's why we've been so deliberate about what we've been
doing.
Chairman Babin. Well, then that'll lead into the next thing
I'd like to ask you about, the potential pitfalls of leveraging
private sector investments in space. Are there any areas about
which we should be cautious when it comes to partnerships for
lunar exploration?
Mr. Crusan. Yes, so in a couple areas of alignment of
incentives. So expanding the marketplace is a function of
commercial demand and government use as well, so trying to get
a proper balance and making sure that the government isn't
expecting a higher level of performance that isn't commercially
sustainable in the marketplace and getting that balance
correct. So buying services at a rate which the industry is
going to utilize for non-NASA use as well is one of the strong
pitfalls that I would advise.
Chairman Babin. Okay. And then to Mr. Richards, Thornton
and Alexander, I'm pleased to see such a diversity of lunar
landing capabilities being developed by your three companies,
and it shows how the United States continues to lead the world
in developing innovation and affordable solutions. Can each of
our industry witnesses briefly explain what makes their lander
unique and different from the others and so the Committee can
better understand the differences and the capabilities between
your services? We'll go with you, Mr. Richards, first.
Mr. Richards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So Moon Express's
approach has been to establish a family of vehicles that begins
small and can grow with partnership with NASA, not presuming a
dependency, but looking at the long tail of the market where we
can do for lunar access what CubeSats did for access to low-
Earth orbit. We believe there's a big market here. So we're
starting with a micro lander that can go in a very low-cost
launch vehicle. When we started Moon Express, we were looking
at missions that might cost $100 million or more to get to the
Moon. With a combination of the current technology and the low-
cost vehicles that are coming on the market, we can do initial
precursor missions for under $10 million of our cost.
But those can scale up, and our modularity is key. So like
rockets and especially being the manufacturer take advantage of
modular systems and stages don't get changed over time, our
basic propulsion model scales up into larger and larger lander
systems that can reach the Moon and deliver materials back.
Chairman Babin. Thank you. Mr. Thornton?
Mr. Thornton. Thank you. So we are developing the Peregrine
lunar lander. From the get-go, we are market-focused, so we say
okay, what's the market out there for payloads, what sizes is
necessary, and then we design a lander and the scale that's
appropriate for that. So what we have determined is 265
kilograms of capacity serves the majority of the existing
market for payload delivery. Our first mission to the Moon
flies that commercially viable craft right from the get-go.
It's a single-set secondary vehicle that flies on a United
Launch Alliance launch vehicle to low-Earth orbit and then we
fly the rest of the way to the Moon. Once on the surface of the
Moon, we become the local utility so we provide power, we
provide communications for payloads that come with us. Some
payloads can stay attached to the lander. Some payloads can
deploy and drive across the surface and use our WiFi on the
surface to talk back to Earth. So the lander itself is designed
to be a simple, robust system. It's single stage. There's no
separations, very few mechanisms to actually move on the
spacecraft, so we're all about simple reliability for robust
delivery, and what we have found from our customers is that
customers are very sensitive to any changes, substantial
changes in spacecraft. The customers around the world tell us
that if you change your spacecraft configuration mission to
mission that they're going to think of that next launch as a
demonstration launch and they want to make sure that it's a
proven capability. So that's why we have a single spacecraft
designed from the get-go to address the commercial market, and
we believe that it's affordable enough to get that first flight
demonstrated and to capture a large portion of the
international market.
Chairman Babin. Thank you.
Now we'll go to Mr. Alexander.
Mr. Alexander. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Blue Moon is
designed as a large lander so it is designed to take more than
10,000 pounds to the lunar surface when launched on an SLS, a
NASA SLS rocket. So that vehicle, that same spacecraft lunar
lander can be flown on a variety of different launch vehicles
ranging from 1,000 pounds of payload delivered to the surface
all the way up to more than 10,000 pounds. So a single design
does the in-space transfer as well as the landing down to the
surface and carries with it that large payload capability. So
it is designed to enable other missions. It's designed to
enable NASA to preposition logistics for future human missions,
to provide resource utilization missions, delivery and access
to the surface, or to provide landers like Resource Prospector,
a way of actually getting to the surface. It's repeatable,
scalable, and based on proven technologies.
Chairman Babin. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate the
witnesses.
Now I'd like to recognize the Ranking Member from
California, Mr. Bera.
Mr. Bera. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
So if I think about when I was a kid, probably six or seven
years ago, and thinking about what I thought was the coolest
Apollo mission when they sent up the lunar rover, the Moon
buggy, and you think about how space was done then. It was NASA
doing the launch vehicle, NASA doing the landing vehicle, in
some ways NASA then doing the research vehicle, the Moon buggy.
I want to make sure I'm thinking about this correctly. Let's--
and maybe this is a question for Mr. Crusan. Let's say NASA is
thinking about something like the Moon buggy or a research
vehicle. They can now in this new world of space travel say
okay, let's do some competitive bidding, see if Moon Express is
the right landing vehicle or, you know, Astrobotic or Blue Moon
is the landing vehicle we want to use. They can also then say
okay, what launch vehicle do we want to use? Do we want to do
an Aerojet Rocketdyne rocket or a Blue Origin rocket or a
SpaceX rocket, or ULA rocket? And so we're creating this
competitive marketplace where NASA in some ways could be the
customer. Am I thinking about that correctly?
Mr. Crusan. Absolutely. So the Apollo reference is an
interesting one in that during the development of Apollo and
many times we were the entire--we were the user of the entire
industrial base, and in fact, a lot of the industrial base
didn't even exist at the time, and you think about that
difference in that we had to pay the entire percentage of all
the non-reoccurring costs in order to get a capability into an
existence, and we were the only user of that at the end of the
day so we also had to sustain it. What you now see are merging
space economy activities, both launch vehicles and
communication satellites and Earth observation work that's
going on now where now we can be a leveraged buyer of those
capabilities, especially in low-Earth orbit and geosynchronous-
type environments that we have, and then we can then stretch
those commercial capabilities to start applying towards
exploration initiatives, and it comes down that there's--we
have a mixed environment of traditional development with the
high-risk, high-reliability needs that we have, and with
commercial services and commercial technologies that we can
apply into that environment that we need to execute the
national mission. So at the same time, then we don't have to
sustain the entire industrial base anymore either, and there's
a very productive space sector that's growing.
Mr. Bera. And to the folks in the commercial sector, maybe
Mr. Richards, Mr. Thornton, Mr. Alexander, are we looking at
this--we're creating a competitive economy here where it could
be NASA as a customer but it could also be academia or others
as a customer. Is that how you're looking at your business
model?
Mr. Richards. For Moon Express--thank you--we certainly
are. We love the idea of NASA as a customer. They've certainly
been a great technology partner. We're building on the
shoulders of giants and working shoulder to shoulder with
giants, so that's great, but we're looking at a global
marketplace, and bringing the cost accessible to where
university endorsements, I mean, we've got kids sending
CubeSats into low-Earth orbit. We see the long tail of the
market a great leverage for us to begin our lunar business and
be able to scale up on the way, and I'm sure my friends will
agree with me that competitiveness rocks, and we're very much
in favor of it.
Mr. Bera. Same thing--same thoughts for Mr. Thornton and
Mr. Alexander?
Mr. Thornton. Yes, I'd agree with the sentiments. We think
of the market for lunar services as global. We've identified
115 payloads worldwide that want to fly to the surface of the
Moon, and that's a mix of government, international
governments, domestic, small and big. We think of the smaller
space agencies as the non-vertical space agencies. They need a
little help because they don't have their own spacecraft, they
don't have their own launch vehicles. We can enable that. One
of our customers is the Mexican space agency, a perfect example
how we are enabling their access to the surface of the Moon,
and then we also see a mix of commercial interests as well.
Mr. Bera. And same thing with Blue Origin?
Mr. Alexander. Yeah, absolutely. I think there's a large
market out there of international, government and commercial
activities, but I do also think that NASA should be leading
this effort. The United States should be leading the world in
returning to the Moon in terms of utilizing the Moon's
resources and so there's a large role for NASA to play in that.
Mr. Bera. Great. Excellent.
Dr. Sowers, in your opening testimony you raised some
interesting questions. Obviously there's a value of that water
on the Moon and that ice on the Moon, and I think, you know, it
raises questions. Is this going to be the Wild West? Whoever
gets to that water first, do they own that water? I mean, we're
talking about another planetary body. So, who owns that water?
What country can claim that water, or is it our entire planet
Earth? And then I would imagine there's some urgency that this
body ought to be thinking about those questions. You know,
certainly how do you create the framework that addresses and
creates some certainty for folks that are going to go out there
and explore, creates that market but then also doesn't stifle
innovation. And I'd just be curious as you're thinking through
those questions, what things we ought to be thinking about as a
body.
Dr. Sowers. That's a very important question. You know, I
view the space economy as a free market but the free market has
to have constraints and controls. There also has to be a system
of rights. So you raise the question, who owns it. You know,
there needs to be the establishment of a framework of, if you
will, property rights for space so that if a company invests
in, you know, developing a resources that they can return--reap
a return on that investment. You know, those are important.
Enforcement of contracts, you know, how do we make sure that,
you know, if some company buys something from a country, you
know, that those contracts can be enforced. Then you have also
the issue of physical security. You know, if there's wealth in
space, eventually there's going to be pirates in space, and so
kind of have to have a way of ensuring the security of the
enterprises that take place out there.
Mr. Bera. Great. Thank you.
Mr. Chairman, it looks like we might have some work ahead
of us.
Chairman Babin. Absolutely. We'll have another Texas oil
boom out there but it'll be water this time. Thank you very
much.
I now recognize the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Posey, who
is trying to get out of here to get his district ready.
Mr. Posey. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman Babin. Yes, sir.
Mr. Posey. Mr. Richards, Thornton and Alexander, you
mentioned that you got help and encouragement from NASA. I
wonder in 30 seconds or less each if you can briefly tell me
what kind of assistance you got from NASA.
Mr. Richards. We've been partnering with NASA since the
beginning with technology development so we've been given
access. Sometimes we--most of the time we have to pay for that
access but more recently with Lunar CATALYST, based on a mutual
exchange, access to technology, test facilities, expertise,
software, things that have displaced otherwise capital costs
that we would've had to use investment money for.
Mr. Posey. Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Thornton. NASA has been a great partner of Astrobotic
for a very long time. Most notably, the CATALYST program has
been fantastic for us. It's taking NASA's best spacecraft
engineers and landing engineers and fusing together with our
technology to create a great vehicle. We just had our
preliminary design review. We had 20 NASA people in the room
including another dozen people on the phone looking over our
whole system and helping us out. It's a first time for us so
it's great to have the best in the business part of the
mission.
Mr. Posey. Thank you.
Mr. Alexander. Blue Origin does not currently have a
partnership with NASA on lunar lander activities. However, we
do have a long history of cooperating with NASA on propulsion
and other technologies. We've worked very well with NASA, and
we appreciate their technical expertise and look forward to a
partnership with NASA on the Blue Moon lunar lander.
Mr. Posey. Okay. Mr. Crusan, I appreciate that NASA is
trying to privatize what it can here and keep a long-term, I
hope, focus on Mars. We've kind of helped incubate, move along,
assist and encourage these companies. Have we made any
agreements with them yet? I mean, how are we going to utilize
them?
Mr. Crusan. Yes. To date, we've done a no-exchange-of-funds
Space Act Agreement where we haven't exchanged any funds for
that but just providing, as we said, the support services that
you heard from the partners here, and what we are now looking
at doing is actually buying landed delivery services in the
next fiscal year here of actually buying the first ability to
land small payloads, and that's in our plans and our budget
submit that we did this year.
Mr. Posey. Okay. And tell me a little bit more about those.
Mr. Crusan. Yeah, so we're talking initially about small
landed services so small payloads of everything from scientific
context to instruments to do single-point measurement related
to volatiles to small technology demonstrations. This is a sign
of our confidence of--growing confidence in the commercial
industry, and managing a risk without getting too large or too
costly payloads for us on the first maiden flights. So it's
that balanced risk approach of us giving confidence in them but
also not risking large endeavors at this point at NASA. So it's
that balancing act that we're doing with them as we've done
with Commercial Cargo and such when were in the development
phases for those.
Mr. Posey. Okay. Have you signed any contracts yet?
Mr. Crusan. No, we've not. The RFI was the first step
towards that.
Mr. Posey. Okay. And when do you anticipate we would be
doing contractual agreements?
Mr. Crusan. We're preparing for the solicitation as we
speak, basically was informed by the Request for Information
that was done only a couple months ago.
Mr. Posey. Okay. That's good.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
Chairman Babin. Yes, sir. Thank you.
Now I'd like to recognize the Ranking Member of the full
Committee from Texas, the gentlewoman, Ms. Johnson.
Ms. Johnson. Thank you very much.
Let me express my appreciation for your interest,
motivation and enthusiasm for what you are doing, and hope that
it'll inspire the next generation of thinkers for the future.
I want to ask you who you anticipate or do you have any
ideas of who your customers will be from the private sector
service for vacationing or whatever? How do you anticipate
seeking them?
Mr. Richards. So that's--thank you for that question. We
already have customers so we've been marketing for a number of
years now. An example is, we'll be delivering a lunar telescope
for a private customer starting with a precursor, then a large
system to the south pole of the Moon in 2019, and this is a
nice nexus of science, of commerce, of private investment
capabilities with a global scientific foundation, but led by a
U.S. entrepreneur. So that's one of the examples of how science
and commerce can intertwine. Our maiden mission has a full
manifest, and we're marketing into our future missions now.
Ms. Johnson. How do you anticipate determining the cost for
services?
Mr. Thornton. So first for us, it starts with the customer.
We have customers the world over that are interested in flying,
and I think that's a really notable important thing because we
started ten years ago, and 7, eight years ago, there were no
customers. It was too new. People thought it was a little
crazy, frankly, but all good ideas start as crazy ideas and
then they become reality. So we have 115 customers interested,
everything from space agencies to commercial organizations,
even down to universities and people that are just looking to
inspire folks. We have a time capsule from Japan that is
collecting the dreams of children from Asia, and they have more
than 100,000 kids signed up sending their dreams. So we have
all sorts, shapes and sizes of payloads attached.
In terms of the pricing and how to address that, it's about
what can cover our costs fundamentally. The majority of our
cost is the launch cost, so as the costs of the launch vehicles
come down, that will drive our prices down as well. Part of the
reason that we build the same spacecraft again and again is
we're looking to get that cost efficiency improved even more,
but so far our price at $1.2 million per kilogram is accepted
by the market and we already have numerous deals at that price
point.
Ms. Johnson. That sounds good. You know before now, there's
been lots of thought of attempting to retrieve or save
artifacts from the Moon. Have you considered retrieving any of
the artifacts or have you given that any thought?
Mr. Thornton. So we haven't started looking at retrieving
artifacts. We think of what's on the Moon is memorials,
permanent memorials, and one day, museums and potentially even
national parks to go visit on the service of the Moon. Each one
of our missions that landed a man on the Moon and all the
precursors that led up to it, that's a really important part of
history. So we intend to certainly have a keep-out zone and
make sure that we don't land too close to it because it is
possible to damage those if you land too close, but we think
about it as a memorial for all time, and we think of our early
landers the same way. We're essentially sending a snapshot of
humanity for our first mission, and it's going to be a sampling
of people all over the world. We have six nations flying with
us on our first mission and many more that are interested in
coming with us. So we're all about making the Moon accessible
to the world, and I think those first landings will be
monuments to just that.
Ms. Johnson. You know, several years ago I was trying to
find a vehicle to try to preserve some of the debris and
artifacts, and the only place I could find was under the Parks
Act. And so when I introduced the resolution, the news had it
that I was attempting to establish a park on the Moon. I was a
little embarrassed, but young people in high schools were very
concerned and very enthusiastic about the possibility of
establishing a park on the Moon, which I didn't have in mind at
all. But what it reminded me of is how we do stimulate the
young mind to think forward. So I encourage you to continue to
think forward. Just don't send us the bill. Thank you.
Chairman Babin. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
Now I'd like to recognize the gentleman from Florida, Dr.
Dunn.
Mr. Dunn. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. It's certainly
exciting to have such an august panel and talking about a space
economy that's genuinely prosperous. That's just so exciting to
be in space.
Let's start with a lightning round of questions real quick
if I can. What is the number one thing that you think is the
most important to the United States as a whole, number one
thing, just sort of a lightning round and we'll go right down
the panel. We'll start with Mr. Crusan.
Mr. Crusan. For me, it's continued human presence in space.
Mr. Richards. And expanding human presence in space with
the United States in the lead of it.
Mr. Thornton. It's making the Moon accessible to the world
and U.S. leadership in doing so.
Mr. Alexander. I would agree that it's U.S. leadership in
space, and I think the Moon is the right focus for the near
term.
Dr. Sowers. It's creating that space economy and developing
the propellant resources on the Moon.
Mr. Dunn. Outstanding. So great answers.
Again, just because we're, you know, the Congress of the
United States, Mr. Crusan, how do you think this affects
national security?
Mr. Crusan. So with space, you have resources. With
resources come different demands and different agendas. So I
think from a national security point of view, the understanding
of fundamental resources that exist in our nearest neighbor is
incredibly important for us. It can help influence our human
spaceflight architectures for sending humans further out into
space. So first order of understanding what is there and what
is its value to us as the United States.
Mr. Dunn. Great, great.
Mr. Thornton, you mentioned you had 115 customers? Okay. So
what's the difference between your commercial customers and
your government customers?
Mr. Thornton. Sure. Just to clarify, we have 115 payloads
in our pipeline, so it's our sales pipeline, but the difference
that we have, about half of that is government, big and small
around the world. Half of that is commercial. About half of the
commercial part is new startups, and then the other half are
established organizations. DHL, who is a partner and sponsor of
ours, is an example of that commercial side. They see the
innovative shipping to the Moon is an extension of their global
shipping service and they're happy to be a part of our mission.
On the small size, people are seeing the capability of
flying to the surface of the Moon as a means to potentially
open their own businesses. We're seeing that with human ashes.
We're seeing that--there's groups that are interested in having
races on the surface of the Moon, create like a NASCAR
experience from the Moon. We've got groups that--we just signed
a payload that wants to create a first laser communication node
from the surface of the Moon, and that's a huge step because
that is two orders of magnitude more bandwidth than we would
have otherwise. So radio is about 100, 200 KBPS so it's like a
little bit more than a 56K modem, and then a gigabit per
second, that's faster than most home internet connections. So
you could have virtual reality experiences and HD video and
pictures streaming back from the Moon. So it really stands to
have a fascinating and immersive experience for people back
here on Earth.
Mr. Dunn. Outstanding. Anything to add to that, Mr.
Richards or Mr. Alexander?
Mr. Richards. Well, the excitement is genuine about the
potential for the markets. We've got our heads down in the hard
job right now of actually proving we can land on the Moon, and
getting the technology right, it's a very hard thing to do, and
only three superpowers have ever done it. So while having great
confidence that these amazing markets are going to open up,
we're focused right now on getting it right, and not having all
our eggs in one basket. We have purchased several launches.
Although we look across the spectrum of emergent and existing
launchers agnostically, anybody going our way to Earth orbit,
we'd be happy to buy a ride if it's at the right price, but
we're after collapsing the cost of access to the Moon and other
destinations after Earth orbit.
Mr. Alexander. I would just add that, you know, returning
to the Moon is a worthy endeavor. There are a lot of resources
there as we talked about to bring into the economic sphere of
humanity, and to do that, we need to go back in a fairly big
way. So we have designed a lander that can take a lot of those
capabilities to the surface of the Moon and eventually support
human return to the Moon. It's important to do from a U.S.
leadership perspective. It's important to do from an economic
perspective but it requires a concerted effort.
Mr. Dunn. We're going to run out of time here. I have more
questions than I could possibly ask in half an hour, but let me
go back to Mr. Bera's question because I thought that was a
great one, and I didn't really hear an answer.
I'm going to ask Dr. Sowers, who owns the water, or who
should own the water? You got around that when he asked you
last time.
Dr. Sowers. Yeah, I think the people that discover it and
develop it should own it. I mean, that's a ``should.'' You
know, I think we need to make sure that we can establish a
framework, you know, regulatory or legal framework that makes
that the case.
Mr. Dunn. So pirates in space. I love that.
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
Chairman Babin. Yes, sir. Thank you.
Now we're going to go to the gentleman from Virginia, Mr.
Beyer.
Mr. Beyer. Mr. Chairman, thank you, and Mr. Chairman, I'd
like to start with an announcement, talking about pirates in
space, that we had Andy Weir here, who wrote The Martian, last
year, who's a rock star. He was sitting right where Dr. Sowers
it. And yesterday they announced his new book, Artemis, which
is about a smuggler on the Moon, and it comes out November
14th, so that'll be fun.
First question really is for Mr. Crusan. In Mr. Thornton's
testimony, he talks about NASA authorization, Congress and NASA
on authorizing Frontier class lander services similar to the
Venture class launch services. What's your perspective on that,
and how does that fit in with NASA's vision?
Mr. Crusan. So it's actually right in line with what we
were thinking about doing here now is we're proceeding towards
actually buying landed services. That is in essence what he's
suggesting. It's just a fundamental of what scale do you go to
at what time, and we want to make sure that we're buying
services that are kind of on the same scale as industry is
growing, so just matching that growth rate and having the
government as a customer, not the sole provider or purchaser of
services. That's the balance that we've been seeking from the
NASA side.
Mr. Beyer. Great. Thank you.
Mr. Crusan, Ranking Member Johnson asked a question about
artifacts. As you develop the Lunar CATALYST program, has there
been discussion of the U.S. government artifacts on the Moon
and any steps to protect and preserve them?
Mr. Crusan. Yeah, in fact, actually, we did develop a
standard and published it about interaction effects for any of
the Apollo landing sites, and we worked collaboratively with
the Google Lunar XPRIZE and actually many of the industry folks
that are here at the table, and agreed on those standards and
stand backs from those locations, making sure we don't have
things like plume interactions of dust settling and covering up
footprints, and we publically posted those standards out there,
and industry has accepted those as guidance for their future
missions that they want to conduct.
Mr. Beyer. Great. Thank you.
Mr. Richards, you've clearly been a visionary in this for a
long time. One of the big debates in this Committee, we talked
to the previous NASA Administrator and said what's the big
picture, what's the constancy of purpose with NASA, and he said
very simply, ``Mars.'' So one of the debates here has been, do
we go directly to Mars or do we go to the Moon first, and
there's a big division obviously within the space community
about this. Is this development of the private sector Moon
stuff a way to have our cake and eat it too?
Mr. Richards. So it's all of the above. The Moon is not an
off ramp to Mars, it's an on ramp to Mars, and by building--you
know, to go to space to stay, it has to pay, so by building out
infrastructure and capabilities in a cislunar economy, we can
assure that a balanced partnership between the government and
the private sector will learn how to live off-planet, we'll
learn how to use the resources that are out there and that will
dramatically lower the cost of going to Mars, and we'll learn a
lot about our human condition, things that humans have never
experienced being that far from Planet Earth. We can practice
those things and learn a lot by practicing at the Moon.
But it's not just the way to get to Mars. It's also a
definitive destination of itself. I look forward to the
generation of kids that'll look up and see lights on the Moon.
You know, there'll be a completely different perspective of
humanity as a spacefaring and a multi-world civilization.
And I would like to comment on, you know, a number of
questions and who owns the Moon and who owns the water. So the
United States Congress--thank you--answered that question for
us in 2015. We will talk about that, but what you said was,
those who go peacefully under the auspices and with due regard
to the international treaties will own what we peacefully
obtain, and this is not an appropriation question, but also
with Moon Express. Before I could assure our investors that we
could blaze a trail to the Moon, I had to blaze a trail through
the regulatory framework that would allow us to go there. So
Moon Express in 2016, thank you to a number of members in this
room, achieved the first ever U.S. authorization for private
sector missions beyond Earth orbit and to the Moon under the
terms of the Outer Space Treaty.
Mr. Beyer. Great. Thank you very much.
Mr. Alexander, I only have 30 seconds. One of the things
you recommended was streamlining the licensing of commercial
launches. How do we go about that process?
Mr. Alexander. I think there's a couple of different
issues. We have an issue with licensing of commercial launches,
which currently the expendable launch vehicle framework that's
been used for the last 20 years is sort of duplicated between
the Air Force and the FAA, and those of us developing reusable
launch vehicles like New Glenn are being licensed under an FAA
regime and so there's reusable launch vehicles and so there's a
little bit of duplicative work that has to be done with the FAA
and the Air Force.
I think separately to Bob Richards' comments there about
licensing activities beyond launch and beyond Earth orbit that
clarity that he responded or reflected in getting the first
license for an activity on the Moon, finding a home for that
within the U.S. government is also an important matter.
Mr. Beyer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman Babin. Yes, sir. Thank you.
And now I'd like to recognize the gentleman from
California, Mr. Rohrabacher.
Mr. Rohrabacher. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I
can't tell you how great it is to be here listening to people
talk about a mission that we can accomplish. We sit here
listening about people wanting to spend billions and billions
of dollars on mission impossible, which is Mars, and I take it
that right now we actually have the capability if we actually
commit the resources to accomplish the mission to the Moon now.
Isn't that correct? Yes or no?
Mr. Crusan. Technically no objections.
Mr. Richards. Absolutely the capability, and we would love
to partner.
Mr. Thornton. Absolutely. All systems go.
Mr. Alexander. Yes, absolutely.
Dr. Sowers. Yes.
Mr. Rohrabacher. Okay. Now, if we did that same question to
people about well, are if we spend the billions of dollars for
the Mars mission, are you sure we're going to be able to
accomplish this? I don't think we would have anywhere near the
same answers that we just got.
And, you know, sometimes it is really difficult to get our
country and our government and our bureaucracy even when it's
at NASA to sort of focus on what we can do even though we're
not doing it now, and I remember that when I first got here,
which was a long time ago now in this very same Committee, that
we had to force NASA into trying to do its mission around the
Moon instead of around the equator of the Moon that we had to
convince them maybe doing the orbit would be really important,
and we actually had to force them to do it, and I will tell you
because there were some visionaries who said there might be ice
at the polar areas which we could use then as a very important
component of future travel in space but also things we could do
with hydrogen, et cetera. Let me note the person who made that
argument to me originally is sitting right over there. His name
is Jim Muncy, who is one of the real pioneers of--there you go,
Jim. You get the credit, and he should get the credit because
he was a visionary and could see the importance of making sure
whether there was water there or not, and why always, always go
around the equator and not around the polar areas to find out
what was going on in the Moon.
So let me just suggest that this is a very exciting
potential and, you know, a lot of people--you know, half the
world--I don't know if you know this--half the world when they
look at the Moon, they see a man on the Moon, but the other
half of the world sees what? A rabbit in the Moon. So when you
look at the Moon next time, half the world doesn't even seen a
man in the Moon. One thing that really worked for us when we
were leading the world when it came to the Moon and space
projects is what the world looked up and they looked at the
Moon and they say there are Americans on the Moon. That
impressed the entire world. It's time for us to impress the
world again, the young people of the world and their own young
people, and the potentials that you've talked about today are
very exciting.
Let me ask this. One of the things that I have advocated
over the years when it comes to commercial space activities is,
we should be encouraging them. Instead of giving them
subsidies, we could give them tax breaks, and I have a piece of
legislation that suggests commercial activity in space, zero
gravity should be zero taxed. Would that type of approach be
helpful to any of your operations in terms of making sure that
the tax load that you wouldn't have to be carrying the burden
of a tax load up to space with you, and just your thoughts on
zero gravity, zero tax, right down the line.
Mr. Richards. So quickly, as an interim measure, that
certainly sounds attractive. You know, I believe that the first
companies--the first trillionaire companies will be created
through investments in space resources, so eventually that will
be a tax base, but zero G, zero tax is great. You might also
think about things like R&D tax credits for companies that
typically invest in resource development, and it's that type of
money that we're going to have to invest in space.
Mr. Rohrabacher. But of course, if you think you're going
to be successful and you're saying there's not going to be a
capital gains tax on someone who invests in your company,
that's pretty powerful.
Mr. Thornton. I'd echo that it's certainly an interesting
idea and certainly could help. The space is really hard. It's a
very, very challenging environment, and building a business
around space is doubly hard. So anything that can support that
is certainly something we would support ourselves.
Mr. Rohrabacher. Okay.
Mr. Alexander. I would echo what both of the gentlemen
said, that, you know, revenue-based tax credits are helpful or
tax rates, low tax rates, but also the R&D tax credits as well.
Dr. Sowers. You know, I think all of these guys are going
to say that, you know, tax breaks look good to them. I think if
we're going to invest, I think, you know, maybe perhaps better
leverage in our investment is some of the basic science and
R&D. For example, you know, we need the guys with the mules and
the picks on the Moon to see, you know, where the real
motherlode of the ice is, and investment in some of those kinds
of things which actually, you know, lowers investment risk for
commercial operation maybe also something to consider.
Mr. Rohrabacher. Well, tax breaks as compared to subsidies
give greater decision-making to the entrepreneur, and when you
were talking about subsidies, which have to be approved from
government officials, you have more bureaucratic decision-
making, and I would just suggest, Mr. Chairman, that we unleash
our entrepreneurs and we will be very pleased with what--our
future generations will be very pleased with our
accomplishments. Thank you very much.
Chairman Babin. Yes, sir. Thank you.
I now recognize the gentleman from Colorado, Mr.
Perlmutter.
Mr. Perlmutter. Thank you, Dr. Babin.
Thank you all for your testimony today. I want to say to
Dr. Sowers, I have my Colorado School of Mines tie on today,
and I want to applaud you for leading the space resources
department at the college, so thank you very much.
I have two themes I'd like to talk about. One is property
rights and the other is Mars. To my friend, Mr. Rohrabacher,
we're going to get there by 2033.
So let's start with property rights. Mr. Richards, I'd like
to talk to you about that. And I think you're right. I think in
2015, we gave a lot of comfort to entrepreneurs such as
yourself and the other companies to get out there, but I would
ask you so the section I think you're referring to is 51303,
Asteroid Resource and Space Resource Rights, and it says
``shall be entitled to any asteroid resource or space resource
obtained including to possess, own, transport, use and sell the
asteroid resource or space resource obtained in accordance with
applicable law including international obligations.'' So what
is the applicable law? I mean, I don't want to be like a judge
sitting up here but I think we need to--personally, I think
we've got more work to do to provide the framework that Dr.
Sowers was talking about.
Mr. Richards. There's a lot more work to do. It's a global
conversation, and I applaud the United States for taking the
step forward of explicitly saying what I think was implicit in
the Outer Space Treaty. There are a number of treaties but the
Outer Space Treaty is the predominant one that dictates how
humans are going to behave in space and to each other in space.
So saying that, staying away from the question of property
rights and that term, although I think we know what it means in
this chamber, internationally is incendiary at this point, and
in Moon Express's case, none of our investors said hey, make
sure you have those property rights down or we can't invest.
That wasn't the case. I believe that there will be an ongoing
conversation. We don't have to answer all the questions today
but the step that was taken was a very forward step that was
very much appreciated.
The next step for us of getting the authorization under
that law and in due regard to the Outer Space Treaty, even
though there wasn't a regulatory framework for us to even apply
for a Moon Express mission, we created one out of thin air and
with the support of many agencies received a one-time
permission to do so. So this is still evolving, and it's--the
onus is on private sector individuals and companies to behave
properly and do things responsibly and think about them because
it will be a global conversation.
Mr. Perlmutter. And I guess my concern, and Mr. Thornton
and Mr. Alexander, if you guys want to chime in, is just, Dr.
Sowers talked about pirates, but we're talking about mining,
we're talking about taking resources, so, is there title? Is
somebody jumping somebody else's claim? Exactly how do you see
this working? Because I think from our point of view as
legislators, we need some help trying to beef this up a little
bit so that we don't have jumping claims or piracy or whatever.
Mr. Richards. It would be nice not to be in a reactive mode
forever.
Mr. Perlmutter. All right. So let me ask Mr. Thornton.
Mr. Thornton. So in our view, the Commercial Space Launch
Competitiveness Act of 2015, currently that's sufficient for
where we're at. We don't view that as a barrier for development
or investment or partners to even invest or send payloads in
the resources realm. So currently, we don't see the strong push
for additional change at the moment.
It's also reassuring that the government of Luxembourg
recently had a similar thing where they could say that
Luxembourg companies could own the rights for resources. So
we're starting to see international----
Mr. Perlmutter. Activity?
Mr. Thornton. -- activity, and then also agreement with the
norms that the United States is creating.
Mr. Perlmutter. Mr. Alexander?
Mr. Alexander. I think it's important for the U.S.
government through the State Department to be talking
internationally with its counterparts, particularly in the U.N.
Committee on Peaceful Uses of Outer Space about what the Space
Treaty, Outer Space Treaty, allows and how we're interpreting
that. It's important for us as an industry to have the
certainty that comes with, like you said, with the 2015 law but
also that it's founded in the Outer Space Treaty, which
basically say that those resources are available to everybody
so that when we go, let's say, to the Moon and discover water
ice there, we're not saying now we own every piece of resource
on the Moon and every bit of water ice on the Moon; we're
saying, you know, we are able to utilize what we are able to
extract and be able to sell that and have property rights over
that but not rights to the entire Moon. So I think it's
important from a government perspective that we go out and
explain what our interpretation of the treaty is and the
framework that we're establishing and lead by example.
Mr. Perlmutter. Thank you. If you would indulge me with one
more minute of questions?
Chairman Babin. Can I make one----
Mr. Perlmutter. Yes.
Chairman Babin. --just say one thing? And what you guys are
talking about demonstrates the importance of why the House and
the Senate need to get this American Space Free Enterprise Act
completed. Go ahead.
Mr. Perlmutter. So to Dr. Sowers and Mr. Crusan on the Mars
theme I'd like to talk about. How do you see us working with
the private sector or international partners and going to the
Moon and developing some commercial activities up there? How
does that help us in your opinions to get us to Mars? Dr.
Sowers?
Dr. Sowers. Well, I'll just give you one example. If you
can develop the water resource on the Moon into propellant,
there's studies that have been done, there was a recent one
done out of MIT that suggested that you could reduce the cost
of a Mars mission by about a factor of three. You know, clearly
there's assumptions in there, you know, and you have to assume
things about the nature of the resource and the cost to extract
it and refine it but with reasonable assumptions, you know, a
factor of three seems quite doable. So, you know, the resources
on the Moon could be immensely valuable in helping us get to
Mars.
Mr. Perlmutter. Mr. Crusan?
Mr. Crusan. Yeah, these are not mutually exclusive
activities. Our human spaceflight plans right now, we're
working on concepts of deep space gateway and transport-type
architecture that then also working with the commercial
industry on landed and surfaces, we can conduct tests of
technologies, advancement of understanding of the resources, if
the resources are there, is there a means by which to get them
from there to a staging point that we can use for deep space
transportation in addition to that. So these activities don't
need to be mutually exclusive.
Mr. Perlmutter. All right. Thank you, and thanks, Mr.
Chair. I yield back.
Chairman Babin. Yes, sir. Thank you.
I want to thank the witnesses for their very valuable and
exciting testimony today and your answers, and the Members for
the questions that we've asked. The record will remain open for
two weeks for additional comments and written questions from
Members, because I know I have one that I would like to ask as
well, but I want to say this: Thank you for being here.
This meeting is adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 11:32 a.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
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