[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] USING NEW OCEAN TECHNOLOGIES: PROMOTING EFFICIENT MARITIME TRANSPORTATION AND IMPROVING MARITIME DOMAIN AWARENESS AND RESPONSE CAPABILITY ======================================================================= (113-72) HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON COAST GUARD AND MARITIME TRANSPORTATION OF THE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ MAY 21, 2014 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure Available online at: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/ committee.action?chamber=house&committee=transportation ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 89-781 PDF WASHINGTON : 2014 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; DC area (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania, Chairman DON YOUNG, Alaska NICK J. RAHALL, II, West Virginia THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee, Columbia Vice Chair JERROLD NADLER, New York JOHN L. MICA, Florida CORRINE BROWN, Florida FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas GARY G. MILLER, California ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland SAM GRAVES, Missouri RICK LARSEN, Washington SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts CANDICE S. MILLER, Michigan TIMOTHY H. BISHOP, New York DUNCAN HUNTER, California MICHAEL H. MICHAUD, Maine ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, Arkansas GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California LOU BARLETTA, Pennsylvania DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas TIMOTHY J. WALZ, Minnesota LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana STEVE COHEN, Tennessee BOB GIBBS, Ohio ALBIO SIRES, New Jersey PATRICK MEEHAN, Pennsylvania DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland RICHARD L. HANNA, New York JOHN GARAMENDI, California DANIEL WEBSTER, Florida ANDRE CARSON, Indiana STEVE SOUTHERLAND, II, Florida JANICE HAHN, California JEFF DENHAM, California RICHARD M. NOLAN, Minnesota REID J. RIBBLE, Wisconsin ANN KIRKPATRICK, Arizona THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky DINA TITUS, Nevada STEVE DAINES, Montana SEAN PATRICK MALONEY, New York TOM RICE, South Carolina ELIZABETH H. ESTY, Connecticut MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma LOIS FRANKEL, Florida ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas CHERI BUSTOS, Illinois MARK MEADOWS, North Carolina SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois MARK SANFORD, South Carolina DAVID W. JOLLY, Florida ------ 7 Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation DUNCAN HUNTER, California, Chairman DON YOUNG, Alaska JOHN GARAMENDI, California HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey RICK LARSEN, Washington PATRICK MEEHAN, Pennsylvania TIMOTHY H. BISHOP, New York STEVE SOUTHERLAND, II, Florida, LOIS FRANKEL, Florida Vice Chair CORRINE BROWN, Florida TOM RICE, South Carolina JANICE HAHN, California MARK SANFORD, South Carolina NICK J. RAHALL, II, West Virginia DAVID W. JOLLY, Florida (Ex Officio) BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania (Ex Officio) CONTENTS Page Summary of Subject Matter........................................ iv TESTIMONY Thomas W. Altshuler, Ph.D., vice president and group general manager, Teledyne Marine Systems............................... 3 Charles Benton, chief executive officer, Technology Systems Inc.. 3 Casey Moore, president, Sea-Bird Scientific...................... 3 Dean Rosenberg, chief executive officer, PortVision, a division of AIRSIS Inc.................................................. 3 David M. Slayton, research fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and cochair and executive director, Arctic Security Initiative..................................................... 3 Eric J. Terrill, Ph.D., director, Coastal Observing Research and Development Center, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California, San Diego............................ 3 PREPARED STATEMENT SUBMITTED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS Hon. John Garamendi, of California............................... 28 PREPARED STATEMENTS AND ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD SUBMITTED BY WITNESSES Thomas W. Altshuler, Ph.D.: Prepared statement........................................... 29 Answers to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California.. 30 Charles Benton, prepared statement............................... 39 Casey Moore: Prepared statement........................................... 41 Answers to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California.. 47 Dean Rosenberg, prepared statement............................... 55 David M. Slayton: Prepared statement........................................... 57 Answers to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California.. 76 Eric J. Terrill, Ph.D.: Prepared statement........................................... 88 Answers to questions for the record from Hon. John Garamendi, a Representative in Congress from the State of California.. 98 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] USING NEW OCEAN TECHNOLOGIES: PROMOTING EFFICIENT MARITIME TRANSPORTATION AND IMPROVING MARITIME DOMAIN AWARENESS AND RESPONSE CAPABILITY ---------- WEDNESDAY, MAY 21, 2014 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:45 a.m. in Room 2253, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Duncan Hunter (Chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Mr. Hunter. Good morning. I apologize for my tardiness. The subcommittee will come to order. Today we are meeting to discuss using new ocean technologies to promote efficient maritime transportation and improve maritime domain awareness and response capability. This is a followup to our previous hearings regarding maritime domain awareness last July, and one earlier this year recommended by Ranking Member Garamendi, on the future of the Federal Government's navigation programs. In addition, I held a roundtable in San Diego in February, and met with a variety of companies that are part of The Maritime Alliance. The Maritime Alliance represents over 1,400 companies in the San Diego area that produce $14 billion in direct sales and sustain 46,000 jobs from traditional maritime industries to high-tech companies; 19,000 of those jobs are high-technology jobs. The Maritime Alliance has identified 14 distinct maritime technology clusters, such as ocean observation, ports and security, maritime robotics and large floating platforms. This is an area of the economy, particularly the high-technology maritime companies, that has been growing and provides cutting- edge products around the world. The companies involved in this sector are also significant exporters. Today's hearing will highlight this sector of our economy, and we will learn how emerging technologies can be best used. We will also hear how we can improve the process for fielding new technologies in a more timely manner. Frankly, when it comes to that, the Coast Guard could use a lot of help, getting stuff probably within the first decade that it is created, and getting it into the Coast Guard. In addition, we will hear testimony on large floating platforms and their possible applications, specifically in locations such as the Arctic. I believe the Arctic represents-- and Mr. Garamendi does, as well--an opportunity for us to think outside the box on how we approach establishing a presence in the Arctic region, and what technologies can best be utilized in the Arctic. With that, I yield to Ranking Member Garamendi. Mr. Garamendi. Mr. Chairman, it's a pleasure working with you, and thank you very much for scheduling this hearing on new and emerging ocean technologies and their applications to advanced maritime transportation and ocean science research in the United States. This hearing is a perfect followup to our two previous technologically based hearings, and the meeting you had in southern California concerning the--and, respectively, the maritime domain awareness and the future of aids to navigation. I really am delighted with your interest in this area, I share that interest, and perhaps together we can advance this whole important arena. From my perspective, however, two questions are the most pertinent to ask. First, is the United States aggressively maintaining its competitive edge in both basic and applied ocean research? And, second, is the United States still the global leader in the development of new innovations in maritime technologies? The fact that I am even raising these questions should be alarming. Not too long ago, the United States was recognized as the uncontested world leader in scientific research and development, an edge that fueled the growth of our economy and led to unparalleled legacy of scientific achievement in the 20th century. Now the situation is quite different. Over the past 30 years, Federal funding for basic ocean science and applied research has been reduced, and is insufficient when compared with the level of funding invested in ocean science and engineering by our competitors from around the world. Some critics have claimed, in fact, that we have entered a new world order in scientific research, including ocean science and engineering. In this new world order, the U.S. science will remain a leader. But other nations, especially China and India, will create an increasingly competitive environment, which will have serious ramifications on U.S. national security and economic strength further down the road. What does this mean? Does this mean that this--what does this mean about this morning's hearing? First, we need to understand how these evolving circumstances are changing the scientific paradigm that has guided ocean science research in the United States for many decades. We need to understand how the private sector and academic community are collaborating with Federal agencies, and we need to know how that collaboration can best be leveraged to advance the innovation in ocean science and engineering. The implications are huge for both our stature as a science leader, and our future as a global economic power. Mr. Chairman, thank you so much for calling the hearing. I look forward to the testimony of the witnesses. Mr. Hunter. I thank the ranking member. I'm going to try to introduce everybody with the right names here. And if I do mess up, just yell your last name out loud, the way it is supposed to be pronounced, please. Dr. Thomas Altshuler--is that correct? OK. Vice president and group general manager of Teledyne Marine Systems; Mr. Chuck Benton, CEO of Technology Systems Inc.; Mr. Casey Moore, president of Sea-Bird Scientific; Mr. Dean Rosenberg, CEO of PortVision--Dean, very good to see you again; Commander David Slayton, research fellow with Stanford University's Hoover Institution; and Dr. Eric Terrill, director of the Coastal Observing Research and Development Center, Marine Physical Laboratory, the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. And there we have it. So, Dr. Altshuler, you are recognized. TESTIMONY OF THOMAS W. ALTSHULER, PH.D., VICE PRESIDENT AND GROUP GENERAL MANAGER, TELEDYNE MARINE SYSTEMS; CHARLES BENTON, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS INC.; CASEY MOORE, PRESIDENT, SEA-BIRD SCIENTIFIC; DEAN ROSENBERG, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, PORTVISION, A DIVISION OF AIRSIS INC.; DAVID M. SLAYTON, RESEARCH FELLOW, HOOVER INSTITUTION, STANFORD UNIVERSITY, AND COCHAIR AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ARCTIC SECURITY INITIATIVE; AND ERIC J. TERRILL, PH.D., DIRECTOR, COASTAL OBSERVING RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER, SCRIPPS INSTITUTION OF OCEANOGRAPHY, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO Mr. Altshuler. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and distinguished members of the committee. I want to make a couple of brief remarks that I think will highlight the points that were just raised by Congressman Garamendi about the ocean. So the ocean is one of the most exciting economic opportunities of the 21st century. The global reliance on ocean resources and the dependence on the marine environment will result in a continued growth in the so-called blue economy worldwide. The United States has a unique leadership position in many aspects of that economy right now. The U.S. is the single biggest market, and is a clear frontrunner in advance technology, and has established a role as a thought leader. With all of these advantages, the immense growth potential of the marine market, the blue economy is likely to provide the U.S. businesses a strong return over the next decade, through both the domestic market and, more importantly, the international markets. This robust market will continue technology advancement that can be leveraged by everything from advanced ocean sciences to improving the efficiency and safety of Marine Transportation Systems. As a business leader of one of the group of companies called Teledyne Marine Systems, I have had the privilege of working in this portion of the marine segment of Teledyne Technologies for almost 6 years. Teledyne recognizes the huge potential of this market over a decade ago, and has systematically grown its presence in the marine market. Currently, Teledyne Marine is a growing group of 13 established, well-reputed undersea technology companies whose collective size has expanded from $6 million in 2000 to over $600 million in 2013, with approximately half of the revenue resulting from international sales of our product. These companies have developed and introduced some of the most innovative technologies and products that have revolutionized the diverse marine markets, from offshore to inshore, and oceanographic to defense. Teledyne Marine has achieved this growth through a combination of acquisitions, of technology-leading companies, and organic growth of those companies. This collective approach has resulted in strong, high-tech job growth, with direct and substantial impact on our local communities. Employing 2,000 people, our marine companies provide high-tech jobs nationwide, from Cape Cod, where I live, to San Diego, Seattle to Daytona Beach, and New Hampshire to the gulf coast. Our product portfolio spans a wide range of capabilities, and that is one of the reasons that I think today will be very exciting for me. We provide undersea technologies, including unmanned vehicles, measurement systems, imaging and survey systems, underwater communication systems, and underwater connectors. The benefits gained with the associated high- performance, highly reliable products that we offer have ranged from new scientific discoveries to operational efficiencies in very harsh environments. As Teledyne Marine looks to the future, we see exciting opportunity growths. Ours and our market peers' current technologies and technologies under development will revolutionize how we understand and leverage the ocean. In the oceanographic arena, which is core to our understanding of the marine environment, the United States has a clear leadership position. Through programs such as the integrated oceanographic observing system, IOOS, led by NOAA, the regional partnerships between Federal and State governments, academic institutions, and the private sector, have resulted in a leap-ahead understanding of coastal marine environments. Its influences on fisheries and local economies in the United States, and even weather forecasting, is significant. These regional partnerships facilitated by IOOS are viewed worldwide as a highly successful example of how to effectively leverage human talent and resources for coastal marine studies, and have resulted in a growing export of marine technologies to the international community and driven advanced technology research and development. Other key Federal programs, such as the Ocean Observatories Initiative, have done the same. As the oceanographic market grows, so does the defense and security in offshore arenas. Both fund the development and exploitation of corporate internal research and development will ensure that companies like Teledyne Marine and our peers can provide the most advanced technology into the worldwide blue economy. With the existing and emerging technologies, both the domestic and international markets will provide long-term manufacturing job growth for our U.S.-based businesses. As we compete with foreign-developed technology, our technology advantage can be short-lived, and that is a big risk. What is needed is to facilitate export of our product to the key--is a key to sustaining positive economic impact for this blue economy in the United States, and will provide affordable technology for broad marine applications throughout the United States. Overall, because of the partnership across Federal and State governments, academic and nonprofit organizations, the blue economy is an outstanding opportunity for the U.S. Mr. Garamendi. Ended right at 5 minutes. Mr. Hunter. Very good. Thank you. Mr. Benton? Mr. Benton. Chairman Hunter and distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you to testify on the subject of small vessel safety and security at this important hearing. I appreciate and welcome the committee's continued focus on this subject. Vessel tracking enables collision avoidance, makes more efficient use of our waterways possible, and enhances maritime security and response. The automatic identification system developed in the 1970s is the primary vessel tracking capability for large ships. This capability has been extremely successful and it is used in a broad range of operational settings. However, the reality is that the cost and infrastructure of AIS result in less than 1 percent of all vessels using it. There is a long-identified need to better support small vessel operations through enhanced identification and tracking capabilities. In 2010, the Department of Homeland Security issued a small vessel security strategy that outlines many issues relating to this. In 2010, the DHS S&T Directorate, Borders and Maritime Division issued a small business innovation research program topic looking for innovative new small vessel identification and tracking technologies. My company responded with a proposal titled, ``Smart Chart AIS,'' and set forth the concept that, since virtually all small vessel operators also had smart phones, a surrogate AIS capability could be developed that took advantage of these already-present systems. This resulted in development of the Smart Chart AIS app that is distributed for free to the public. Features in Smart Chart AIS include NOAA charts, weather radar, cruising guide information, social network functionality, augmented reality capability, and, most importantly, surrogate AIS capability for small vessels, referred to as AIS-i. AIS-i is a new protocol we developed for use over the wireless Internet. We are putting this protocol into the open domain, and have engineered it so that any company can integrate the protocols into their equipment. The intent is to enable all small vessels to use AIS for free or at very low cost. The recent conference was convened at the California Maritime Academy titled, ``E-navigation Underway.'' E- navigation is defined as the harmonized collection, integration, exchange, presentation, and analysis of maritime-- of marine information onboard and ashore by electronic means to enhance berth-to-berth navigation, and related services for safety and security at sea and protection of the marine environment. I presented a paper titled, ``AIS-i: Supporting the Recreational Boating Community Over Wireless Internet,'' which was enthusiastically received. Attendees included senior Government and industry personnel from around the world. This led to an invitation to an invitation by the Radio Technical Commission for Maritime Services, for RTCM, for me to make a presentation at their annual technical meeting. RTCM is an international body that creates standards in documentation that are referenced by the International Electronics Commission, and the U.N.'s International Maritime Organization, in establishing and sometimes mandating performance standards. An outcome of the meeting was a unanimous committee vote to have two special committees evaluate and report on having AIS formally reviewed and incorporated into the international standards process. This is the first step in a process leading to AIS-i protocols being adopted on a global basis. The protocols and service that have emerged from this project are gaining national and international recognition as an appropriate and clearly needed solution that will enhance maritime safety and security. The project is rapidly transitioning from an R&D phase to a transitional phase, in which standards will be finalized and formally adopted. Continued support for these efforts will ensure that homeland security interests are addressed, and that the U.S. will provide the leadership needed to enhance the safety and security of the 99 percent of the maritime community that small vessels represent. Thank you again for your interest and focus on this important subject. Mr. Hunter. Mr. Moore, you are recognized. Mr. Moore. Chairman Hunter, I wish to thank you, Ranking Member Garamendi, and all the members of the committee for allowing me to participate in this hearing. I am Casey Moore, president of Sea-Bird Scientific. I am here today. I represent the over-200 scientists, engineers, and other associates that comprise our company. Sea-Bird Scientific develops and manufactures oceanographic sensors. Our products measure physical, biological, and chemical properties throughout the ocean. Examples include temperature, salinity, nutrient concentrations, and ocean pH. They play an increasingly important role in ocean observing. Ocean observations are not a new concept in supporting maritime operations and response. For example, sea-state parameters such as wave height and tides have been used by the Coast Guard and maritime industry for years. What are new are the technologies, advancements, and sensors, platforms, and communications that allow for detailed ocean monitoring within the water column from shore and from space. Networked together, these tools are changing the game. Over the past decade in the U.S., there have been efforts initiated to implement this network on a national scale. Local and regional ocean-observing systems teaming with Federal agencies, academic researchers, and public stakeholders work to begin forming an integrated ocean observing system, or IOOS. IOOS serves an increasingly important role in managing the observing infrastructure. This infrastructure, still nascent in terms of maturity, results largely from public investment. I contend today that we need to invest more. I know this is not a popular notion, in light of our continuing budget deficits, but I hold the conviction that it is in our country's economic, social, and strategic interests to fully develop this network. As just one example of modern ocean observing at work, I will touch upon an event that is still fresh in our minds. In late 2012, Hurricane Sandy exacted heavy damage on the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Less publicized was the fact that significant damages and possible loss of life were averted through the use of regional IOOS assets. A summary supplied by the Marine Technology Society to NOAA's National Ocean Service indicated that IOOS buoys and moorings enabled far more focused preparation and response. Observation and forecasting information resulted in a diversion of commercial container and Navy ships out of the storm's reach for a savings of $6 billion to $7 billion. They also prompted evacuation of over 30,000 people living on first floors and in basements in Hoboken, New Jersey, before the storm surge completely inundated the city. While these events in many ways validated the utility for ocean monitoring, they belie an important point: We could have done better. Current observing capabilities along the east coast are only a fraction of those envisioned by IOOS planners. Denser sampling would have further reduced risk and uncertainty and preparation and response. As one specific example, higher spacial resolution vertical sampling of ocean temperature would have provided greater accuracy in determining the storm's intensity at landfall. This could have saved millions in preparation and better enabled response efforts. A fully capable ocean observing network requires substantial investment. Independent studies provided to IOOS show that costs for a full build-out and operation of a national observing network will exceed $3 billion annually. This is a large number, but it is important to remember that approximately 45 percent of our country's GDP is now concentrated in the coastal regions. Economic and human impacts of ocean events and our need to effectively regulate and respond will only increase. One common model we use in describing the future of ocean observing is that we see networks and systems eventually growing into an analog of the national weather network. This analogy is apt. Effective monitoring of the ocean extends our ability to--excuse me--greater acuity and understanding long- term weather patterns. It also reduces uncertainty in near-term events. With greater forecasts and real-time understanding, we can better manage resources to mitigate and respond, as opposed to simply falling victim to changing conditions. This will not only benefit the fisher in Oregon, but also the farmer in Kansas. I once again wish to thank the committee for the opportunity to provide testimony in this important matter. Mr. Hunter. Thanks, Mr. Moore. Mr. Rosenberg? Mr. Rosenberg. Thank you, Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi. My name is Dean Rosenberg, and I am the CEO of AIRSIS, a software technology company focused on the energy and transportation industries. Our PortVision division provides patented tools and technologies to increase maritime domain awareness and improve safety, security, and efficiency in the maritime industry. PortVision maintains a global network of VHF receivers that detect collision avoidance signals, also known as automatic identification system, or AIS, transmitted by vessels around the world. As many of you know, AIS transponder use by vessels larger than 65 feet has been mandated by the Coast Guard since 2005. Its original purpose was collision avoidance at sea. However, shortly after AIS went into widespread use, we realized that the same data used aboard vessels could also provide significant value to shoreside personnel who needed to solve business problems. So, in 2006, PortVision was born, leveraging federally mandated technology, and repurposing it to drive additional benefits across the maritime industry. Now, in 2014, our PortVision AIS network processes over 50 million real-time vessel position reports each day, and we store over 40 billion arrival, departure, and individual vessel movements. To put this another way, during every second of my testimony today, PortVision is processing another 500 real-time vessel positions from around the world. Our customers use this data to improve many types of operations, whether it be scheduling of vessels at an oil refinery, supporting an incident response operation, or supporting homeland security and law enforcement activities. There are over 3,000 PortVision users leveraging AIS for these and other valuable purposes, including vessel operators, marine terminals, Government agencies, and every major oil company. You can think of our network as a commercial version of the Coast Guard's nationwide AIS initiative. However, while NAIS is focused primarily on aggregating AIS data around the U.S. and its territories, we have extended our network globally. Additionally, the NAIS initiative is focused on AIS data acquisition for use in VTS and related operational environments, whereas PortVision is focused on analysis and harvesting of that data to drive business intelligence in the maritime domain. Our observation is that current Government systems appear to be good at collecting and displaying real- time data, but not necessarily in aggregating and making it broadly accessible to field personnel, who must clearly understand waterway utilization in order to carry out their mission objectives. AIS continues to grow in value. We participate in maritime industry groups around the country that rely on our data and expertise, and we are regularly called upon to provide data and testimony associated with key incidents, such as the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, major hurricane and weather events, and numerous compliance and law enforcement activities. AIS is also helping the maritime industry accommodate a new surge of Gulf traffic, including vessels transporting crude oil shipments from new finds in the Dakotas, west Texas, and other locations. We are a key enabler in this new and evolving chapter in our Nation's energy evolution. Another promising development is the use of AIS in pipeline, bridge, and offshore asset protection. PortVision partnered with CAMO, an industry trade association of coastal and marine operators, on a system that proactively notified vessels and pipeline operators when there is imminent risk that a vessel might damage pipeline infrastructure. Over the last two decades, there has been over $100 million in property damage, and over 25 fatalities associated with coastal and marine pipeline incidents. Our project with CAMO has received Coast Guard approval, and FCC approval is pending. Still another application is identifying bad actors and driving regulatory compliance. For example, PortVision has partnered with the Offshore Marine Service Association to identify and report Jones Act violators, while individual port authorities use PortVision to enforce speed reduction initiatives. Other Government customers use PortVision data and services to support homeland security and intelligence operations. These value-added benefits are only possible if carriers transmit a persistent signal with accurate data. We know of no uniform enforcement by the U.S. Coast Guard to ensure that carriers comply. Some VTS regions are very vigilant about compliance, while other regions have less active oversight. I urge the subcommittee to ensure that all vessels required to transmit AIS maintain a consistent, uninterrupted, and accurate AIS transmission, to ensure that these valuable AIS technology initiatives can continue. Finally, I seek the subcommittee's support in encouraging Federal agencies to look to commercial sector and small business to help execute their maritime domain awareness initiatives. Companies like ours provide proven valuable services at very low cost. However, commercial offerings like PortVision are often overlooked in favor of reinventing the wheel through Government-funded build-versus-buy initiatives. This not-invented-here culture can put up barriers to Government adoption of proven and widely deployed commercial technology. It also prevents many Coast Guard and other Government field personnel from operating as effectively as industry partners who have access to these tools. Thank you again for the opportunity to share our story. We believe that blue economy companies like PortVision are key enablers of enhanced maritime domain awareness, and increase safety, security, and efficiency across the Marine Transportation System. I look forward to your feedback, and happy to answer any questions. Mr. Hunter. Thanks, Mr. Rosenberg. Commander Slayton, you have an interesting bio. You have been in the Arctic since you were 17--13---- Mr. Slayton. I was 13, and joined the Navy when I was 17, and have probably spent about 3 years, total, operational time in the High North, between all the Arctic nations. Mr. Hunter. It is all yours. Mr. Slayton. Save Russia. Mr. Hunter. Right. Mr. Slayton. Chairman Hunter, Ranking Member Garamendi, and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. It is indeed an honor and a privilege to talk to the committee about the creation of new and emerging ocean technologies, how facilitating their development would expand maritime entrepreneurship, job development, and commerce, and further our understanding of the ocean environment in support of vital U.S. interests in the maritime domain. Additionally, I am glad to discuss what we at the Hoover Institution and the Arctic Security Initiative view as impediments, barriers, and factors that limit or constrain the creation and use of such technologies and their applications. These technologies we discuss today will become increasingly important as we witness the convergence of climate change and national security challenges, a convergence clearly recognized in the High North and other regions around the world, and ably identified within the 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review, the National Climate Assessment, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and, most recently, in the Center for Naval Analyses' Military Advisory Board report. As recent events in Russia highlight, coupled with the effects of climate change, the Arctic has re-emerged as a significant strategic territory: in part due to the region's abundant energy, mineral, and natural resources, and in part due to increased maritime access to the area. That being said, we in the United States need to be prepared, at a minimum, with greater Coast Guard and Navy presence, monitoring capability, and infrastructure capacity. Presently, we are not prepared, and we are far from being ready. In this context, when we evaluate maritime security requirements, the U.S. and other Arctic nations require the capacity and capability to support, respond, and react to the events that are taking place now. Moreover, as we have said, security is also about safety, adequate naval response, environmental, humanitarian assistance disaster relief, and commercial accidents that might take place in the High North. And it is there that our Coast Guard is going to be on the front lines that--anything that happens in the Arctic. Last year, the Navy, Coast Guard, DOD, and the President all released policy documents on the Arctic. All the policies called for new technology capabilities, infrastructure capacity. The documents, together, make up the nascent U.S. Arctic strategy--however, unfunded. Then, in January of this year, President Obama released the U.S. implementation plan for national strategy for the Arctic region. The plan is an integrated Arctic management process with a clear objective to engage with the State of Alaska, Alaska Natives, and key stakeholders and actors from industry, academia, and nongovernmental organizations. For the maritime domain, the plan presents a 10-year horizon that will be used to prioritize Federal infrastructure in the U.S. maritime Arctic. It is not surprising that within the section of the maritime domain the plan calls for recommendation for Federal public-private partnerships, a recent subject of this subcommittee to support the prioritized marine infrastructure elements that are to be developed in Federal projects. This may prove to be an early indication that, without investment partnerships with the private sector, new initiatives such as maritime-centered economic development may be constrained or limited by the Federal budget process. Closely aligned with the subject of this hearing, the plan recognizes a number of key requirements that relate to the changing U.S. maritime Arctic and its future. Included are major technology initiatives on developing telecommunications services; enhancing maritime domain awareness; sustaining Federal capacity to conduct maritime operations in ice-covered waters--rated as icebreakers in a capacity to break ice; increasing charting in the region; and improved geospatial referencing; oil and other hazardous material spill prevention, containment, and response in supporting the circumpolar Arctic observing system. This is just a subset of the many tasks presented in the plan. However, it is clear--very clear--that the maritime domain requires special and timely attention, using integrated approaches that can respond to a broad array of national security challenges. In closing, while the issues are many and not without challenge, the maritime industry and the maritime entrepreneurial centers of this Nation afford great opportunities. Now is the time to approach our maritime and our Arctic interests and responsibilities urgently and with national strategic priority. Thank you again, Mr. Chairman, Congressman Garamendi, and the members of the committee, for the privilege of appearing before you. I look forward to the remainder of the hearing, and I look forward to answering your questions. Mr. Hunter. Thanks, Commander. We actually figured out what the Navy and Coast Guard's plan was for icebreaking. It is to wait until it melts, and then we won't need one any more. Right? It is a joke. Come on, it is a joke. [Laughter.] Dr. Terrill, you are recognized. Mr. Terrill. I would like to start first by thanking Congress and the Federal agencies in their ongoing support of ocean technology development and sustained observations of our oceans, as this investment has made the U.S. a leader in the development, manufacture, and applications of ocean technology. This investment not only allows U.S. companies to compete successfully in the global economy, but the investment in ocean science and technology creates jobs and strengthens and supports U.S. national security. And, for better or worse, I am actually a product of this investment, and I have spent the better part of my career in a close relationship with this ocean technology, ocean research, and Federal agencies, whose missions depend on timely and accurate data. For maritime domain awareness to be responsive to emerging needs, the U.S. Government needs to consider partnering internally across agencies and externally to industry and the research community. In the present economy, this leveraging can't be understated. In addition, we need to consider better approaches to procurement programs that serve national MDA needs, as all too often new technology and concepts of operations sink before they can even take off, because their price tags are too high. One existing framework that we have heard earlier about this morning is the Integrated Ocean Observing System. This was initiated only 14 years ago as an interagency planning effort, and already has a formal program office at NOAA and 11 regional associations that are collecting observations and serving them up to a diverse stakeholder community. And, coincidentally, the Integrated Coastal and Ocean Observation Act of 2009 needs to be reauthorized. IOOS has many successes, including providing on-scene environmental information in many extreme events that the country has faced, including Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy, the Cosco Busan oil spill in San Francisco, and the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, to name just a few. In all these cases, IOOS has acted as a decision support system, and the observations provided many of the behind-the-scenes data that was used by local, State, and Federal responders. Ocean technology that is the foundation of this IOOS system is a network of high-frequency radar systems that provides 24/7 maps of ocean currents around the coast of the U.S. Data are used to support oil spill response, search and rescue, water quality tracking, fisheries management, and marine protected areas, and it is one example of how the U.S. Coast Guard and other Federal agencies rely upon NOAA through MOUs to provide operational ocean data. It involves 31 organizations maintaining 133 radars now, and my group at Scripps was intimately involved in the design of that data management system that is functioning now at the National Data Buoy Center. One exciting next step for the technology is to apply it for ship-tracking applications. And just recently there were some tests in the Philippines by U.S. Pacific Command, Office of Naval Research, Scripps, and the radar manufacturer to demonstrate this capability, and this builds off of earlier Department of Homeland Security-funded research efforts. However, the opportunity for the U.S. to transition the U.S. HF Radar National Network to having this capability will remain elusive because, right now, the national network is funded at $5 million a year, which is half of the $10 million a year required to reach 100 percent capacity. And the program budget for this effort has remained flat in NOAA since receiving its own funding line 3 years ago. Another example of potential partnership and transition for coastal MDA needs is the repurposing of land surveillance equipment returning home from Afghanistan. With the war drawing down, opportunities exist for repurposing the investments and surveillance aerostats and towers equipped with X-band radar and cameras. These systems were originally developed to provide force protection of forward-operating bases. In the same suite of sensors, a networked architecture, with some modifications, are well suited to providing this type of capability in a maritime environment for providing detection of offshore vessels, illegal fishing, and providing port and harbor security. Maritime evaluations of these technologies are timely and currently pursued on a pilot level by the NAVAIR, Naval Air Systems Command, and Office of Naval Research. And this summer, two systems will be deployed overseas as part of a demonstration effort with PACOM. So I would encourage looking at how other technologies and working with the defense research enterprise can be capitalized within partnerships with the U.S. Coast R&D center, because I think they would be low-cost and provide a high return on investment. The Arctic also presents another set of challenges that we have heard about. Ocean technology is going to be required to provide the kinds of observations necessary to understand the oceanographic and ice conditions that will exist up there. Right now we don't have those technologies in place, and the environment is highly undersampled. So partnerships developed with the Navy, NOAA, National Science Foundation, DARPA, and U.S. research organizations should be considered to leverage the respective investments of those groups. So, to close, I encourage partnerships across agencies, fund pilot demonstrations that involve the research enterprise and industry, and let's build U.S. MDA capabilities from our existing modern-day successes. Thank you. Mr. Hunter. Thanks, Doctor. I am now going to recognize Members, starting with myself. Let me just say, first, it is great to have everybody here. You know, we can't force Government agencies, no matter who they are, to adopt any kind of technology, right? But what we can do is make sure that they are not recreating what you are already doing inside the Government bureaucracy for 10 times as much as you are doing it for. But that is what we can do, and that is one thing we are going to basically look at after this, to see all the stuff that is out there, what is going on, and make sure that they are not trying to recreate the wheel, especially if the technology already exists. So, to start, Mr. Rosenberg, let me ask you to, if you would, demonstrate this. And, two, if you could, talk to how this is different than any other kind of common picture operating system that the Government uses, or AIS. What is different about this and separates it out? If you could, talk to that as you demonstrate. Mr. Rosenberg. Yes. So, PortVision--so if you look at the NAIS initiative, it is really focused on the aggregation of data, of the aggregation of AIS data. What we are trying to do is make business sense of that data. So, if you look on the monitor, we are looking at the live version of L.A. and Long Beach right now. And I have highlighted the MSC Luciana. What we are doing is not only showing kind of the traditional points on a map common operating picture, but we are also providing additional sort of maritime business intelligence. So, in the events list we see when this particular vessel departed the Shengdong container terminal in China, when she arrived at San Francisco, and when she ultimately arrived at the Hanjin terminal in Long Beach. So we are really trying to solve sort of business problems, or have a more thorough understanding of what is going on. And then, we take that further to actually getting into the reporting aspect. So I have brought up that TTI Hanjin terminal in Long Beach, and I am now showing very detailed information about every vessel arrival, the type of arrival, the draft before and after, which implies loading or unloading, where that vessel came from, and what its next destination is. Most of the Coast Guard and Government systems don't get to this level of MDA-type understanding. They typically are more focused on sort of the real-time points on a map, and seeing where a vessel is right now. Mr. Hunter. So how does this help you solve---- Mr. Rosenberg. So, what we found is--you know, my contention is, today, you know, today, on Wednesday, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of field personnel and Coast Guard and Government agencies in the U.S. that need information about current real-time and historical data. They don't have it, but their industry partners do. You know, some other personnel need information to look at compliance activities or law enforcement or litigation activities. They don't have it, but their industry partners do. And we have lots of sort of anecdotal stories around Coast Guard and Government personnel calling on industry partners to get the data. Because, at the field level, at the field personnel level, they don't have access to these systems. In the VTS office, in the headquarters, in the command center, they have access to all sorts of common operating picture technology. But at the field level, where people are actually doing their jobs deployed, they don't have that information. So, I mean, our technology, other technologies like ours, are Web-based, they are PDA-based, they are smart phone--it is pretty easy, certainly. Mr. Hunter. I have a question, kind of a general question for everybody. When it comes to hiring people--this probably is outside of the software world--but in the actual blue technology manufacturing part, or R&D, where do you hire from? What ages do you hire? How hard is it to get people that know what they are doing with their hands and making stuff? Or do you find it difficult, or is it not difficult? Do you have plenty of folks out there to hire? Anybody? Everybody. Mr. Altshuler. I will start with that. We actually find hiring very difficult. So we want highly skilled technicians. We need very good engineering skills. The ocean is an incredibly complex environment. There are limited numbers of ocean engineering programs, and those programs are probably underfunded, from a standpoint of the research and development in grants they get. So it is a slow, organic growth of that skill set. When you look at the economy, the blue economy, it is going very quickly. So it is definitely underrepresented, from a standpoint of what we can bring in, as personnel. And I would guess--I would like to hear what other people see. But offline, many of the gentlemen here I have talked to in the past, and they would say the same thing, I would think. So---- Mr. Moore. It is a challenging environment to hire in the Northwest, because we find ourselves competing with industries such as Microsoft in the Seattle area for capable engineers, industries such as Boeing. On the other hand, we don't expect or--we don't expect the level of turnover. So when we do hire, we invest in individuals, and it is usually a long-term venture. So there is very little turnover in our business with professionals, and it tends to work out in the long run. Mr. Slayton. I will take a stab at this one, as well. Yes, I admire the tenacity and the entrepreneurship of the gentlemen that sit to my left. And being up in the Bay Area, we are a stone's throw away from Sand Hill Road, one of the largest concentrations of venture capitalists in the United States. Also, sitting on the campus at Stanford University and having other great universities like UC Berkeley, Santa Clara, San Jose State nearby, we have the opportunity here about the challenges and the barriers to starting these ventures, first and foremost. Going to sea inherently is already a dangerous situation. And to try to lure and entice investment in that area is challenged by who is going to underwrite these areas. Again, the folks that are going to be hired that we put out to sea likewise have a reasonable expectation that they are going to receive and be compensated in that way. So, again, I understand and fully realize the challenges that these gentlemen face to find a capable workforce on top of trying to fund their initial enterprises, going forward. Mr. Terrill. I would like an opportunity to---- Mr. Hunter. Go ahead, sure. Mr. Terrill [continuing]. Address a little of this, as well. As a federally funded--primarily federally funded research organization in La Jolla, obviously, the cost of living is pretty high for young, entry-level technical staff to be joining us and living locally. But we are able to tap into the nearby universities, 20,000 strong, a lot of engineering students, physics students. And, as others have mentioned, a lot of technical staff, it takes them about 10 years before they are really useful and independent, because it is such a cross-discipline field that we are working in. We need engineers and technical staff that don't get seasick, know their way around, how to turn a wrench, but also are technically competent at the cutting edge of new technology, whether it is electrical engineering, or mechanical engineering, or the sciences. And so, we do have retention issues, but what we have found is, through internships and through tapping into the local universities, we are able to hire in employees. In fact, a lot of our employees, after they have been with Scripps for a number of years, they often are highly sought-after by industry because they have that real-world experience of their butts on the line to make equipment work, and they are sought after by industry to do the same for them. Mr. Hunter. Last question here in the last minute. What do you all see is the next step in the next 20 years? Like, when is the next--what is the jump going to be to when it comes to maritime technology and science? Is it in the mapping arena? Is it in the exploration arena? Just curious. Where do you see things going in the next quarter century? Anybody. Yes, please. Mr. Benton. I think e-navigation is going to have a huge impact. Essentially, the world is becoming networked, and that is happening in the maritime environment. There are initiatives in Europe and elsewhere globally to move that forward. And I think the U.S. is a little bit behind the curve in participating in what ultimately is going to be an architecture that is open, that anybody can both contribute information to and get information from. So, I think it is important that funding and just Federal focus be given to that, more than it is today. Mr. Altshuler. I would add to that. The--you know, on the networking thing, I think we have just talked about networks that are above the water. But probably the growth of sub-sea underwater networking is going to change how we do ocean observation, how we do security, port security, deepwater military operations, blue water operations. We have seen a little bit in the last few years of these observatories. They are relatively simple networking systems. You know, as we go to independent systems that are--use acoustic communications, that use optical communications, what you will see is the ability to distribute data, to distribute sensing, and exiltrate that information back to the resources that need that. And, as I said, that can be science, and that can be national defense. So, we are investing heavily in that area. We think that that is a huge growth market. And we see the rest of the world, and specifically China, very interested in that type of technology. Mr. Moore. I presented in my discussion the concept of moving to a paradigm similar to the national weather network. I think that is apt for reasons mentioned. But I also want to consider it or wish you to consider it in terms of how the national weather network is now used, and how little idea we had in--50 years ago as to how it would weave itself into our social fabric so deeply. I think that that same basic truth holds as we expand and develop these ocean monitoring technologies, both within and through remote sensing capabilities, and bring these networks together. Mr. Rosenberg. Yes, I think on the AIS front it is really going to be around industry collaboration. I mean AIS was really just legislated for collision avoidance, but then industry ran with it and came up with all of these other benefits. And so, we see transmission of AIS signals being able to automate a lot of the activities that are now done by a radio, or that are now done many days in advance. Mr. Slayton. I will build on the comment that was made earlier about the blue economy growing. And it is growing because we have just added another ocean to the planet. The Arctic is opening up. There is a huge need for hard infrastructure, deepwater ports, and associated infrastructure that goes along with that, as well as the networking that is going to be required to bring folks together in the High North. Once you get above about 65, 70 north, it becomes very challenging to communicate, particularly at the level that we are used to, here in the mid-latitudes, in the bandwidth that is required. Mr. Terrill. One revolution I see us going in the next 20 years is the reliance on unmanned systems. Just as we are seeing in the aerial domain, underwater unmanned systems, surface unmanned systems on the ocean surface are really revolutionizing the way we do ocean science right now. We are sampling the earth, earth's ocean, at a resolution that is unheralded to date. Right now there is over 1,500 profiling floats that sink down to 2,000 meters and surface every 10 days to give us a sense of how much ocean heat is present in the earth's ocean. Another revolution I see is the ability to do very precise forecasting. So, just as we have precision agriculture that is doing very high-resolution agriculture, we are going to see that with weather and in the ocean world. That sort of level of precision will be surfacing that we can take advantage of, and that will be able to take advantage of all the tools to be able to exploit these unmanned sensors that are going to be deployed. Mr. Hunter. Thank you all. Mr. Garamendi, our ranking member, is recognized. Mr. Garamendi. For all of you, thank you so very much for fascinating and extremely important testimony. One hardly knows where to start, as we cover the total spectrum of what you have put before. I think what I would like to do is to go back to a couple of questions that were raised a moment ago and push them forward, about the personnel side of this, and the research side of it. There is a markup going on very soon in the Space and Technology Committee that is going to reauthorize much of the underlying authority for research. Don't know if any of you gentlemen have been following that. There are some concerns that exist about that potential markup, particularly the level of funding available for the social science part of it. I was just thinking about how we would have been better prepared for the Iraq War if somebody had thought about the social science piece of that war. There is that, and there is the overall funding issues. And, back to the educational piece, which I think two of you gentlemen are specifically involved in, or at least nearby, and the rest of you are dependent upon. So, let's talk about the research budget, the legislation that is going on around here, the reauthorization of that, if you followed it, how you see that coming together. And then, on the--how that research also--the research budget ties in with the education and the future employees of the private sector, as well as the public sector side of it. So, let's start, I don't know, left to right. But we will start with Scripps and move down the line here, quickly. Mr. Terrill. Well, thank you. Certainly one of the things the country depends on is continuity and steadiness of research funding, so that that continuity of civilian workforce, being at the cutting edge of developing new tools and capabilities, can transition to the industry and the Government. It wouldn't be there if we didn't have that continuity. So I would support you on that, that we need to have that in place. I am not familiar with the specific markups that you are referencing, but we definitely need to keep that research budget healthy. Mr. Slayton. Likewise, I agree with what Dr. Terrill-- again, being based at the university, and seeing the amount of dollars that flow in from the National Science Foundation and a number of different grants that support some of the things we mentioned today, particularly the underwater vehicles, the expanded network capability, and the deeper research that is going to be required, particularly in the oceans, I think it has been mentioned on more than one occasion we know more about the moon than we know about parts of the ocean. Again, I will go back to the area that I am involved in right now. Currently, only 10 percent of the floor of the Arctic is mapped. And at current projections, it is going to take another 70 or 80 years to complete that job for our Navy and Coast Guard and our professional mariners, going forward. Mr. Garamendi. Let me stop there for a quick second. How does your organization work with the U.S. Navy on this question of the Arctic? Mr. Slayton. We have tied with the Navy, informal for the most part. We have one active-duty naval officer that participates at the Hoover Institution, as well as we are always open to inform the Navy and the Coast Guard, really, any service on the work that we are doing. All the research and all the analysis that we do is available publicly, and we are always glad to support the DOD and the services. Mr. Garamendi. Be very specific. The Coast Guard has some-- we have some interest in this committee with the Coast Guard. How do they work with you? Mr. Slayton. There is no direct ties at this point. Mr. Garamendi. And---- Mr. Slayton. Other than informally advising the Coast Guard. Mr. Garamendi. OK. Let's continue on with the research side of it, the importance of research on down the line. I suspect the answer is ``extremely important,'' but---- Mr. Rosenberg. Right. It is. We are not directly engaged in a lot of Government-funded research, so my concern is mostly around the recruiting side of it. So the two dimensions of, you know, more STEM awareness at an early age, from middle school going on into high school, and then also broadened awareness of our maritime academies and the ability to generate some more maritime DNA that can enter the workforce. Mr. Moore. The three companies that came together to form Sea-Bird Scientific, all three started as very small startups that basically were holding direct relationships and were coming from researcher community, building from science and research dollars, supporting the research environment, the research environment within the United States, supporting these companies as they have grown. Presently, we have shifted focus to much more operational programmatic efforts. That is, in part, because that is where money is these days. We would look at trying to do what we did now. In other words, trying to start up a science technology business in oceanography, especially within the ocean observing, I think it would be a very difficult road at this point in time. So, as beneficiaries, we are thankful, but we have really seen that tide shift away from research support. Mr. Benton. My company has been involved in small business innovation research for 25, 30 years now. And we are highly ranked in our ability to commercialize stuff. But Dr. Terrill mentioned continuity in funding. And one of the huge issues that we run into is that you can have a project that is successful and then is orphaned because there has not been any thought given to the budgeting process to take something that is ready to transition and let it get enough legs so that it can be supported by private industry. So that would be my biggest recommendation, is to make sure that funding that does go out there is spread across the whole TRL level, so that people can actually get their basic research transitioned into an operational condition that will benefit the economy and us. Mr. Altshuler. So, first of all, I think I would support strongly my colleagues here that are advocates for a strong research budget. I think there are a couple things we need to think about, though, and the first is what do we do relative to small business, to product development relative to large science programs. Large science programs drive industry in what they invest. And industry invests heavily here. From a self-centered standpoint, I started out in my remarks saying that we are a $600 million business at Teledyne Marine. We probably invest $50 million a year in product development, in research and development internally, and then we have a fraction of that, and probably a smaller fraction than most would think, that is federally funded. Where we sell is into the science programs. So, it is a multiplier effect. If the science programs have long legs, they are well thought out, and continuous, then industry has the ability to grow around that. And so, I think that is really critical, that we build something that is going to drive the rest of businesses here to invest their own money into growing that economy. Our--the worldwide community is doing that, and the worldwide community is copying what the U.S. is doing right now. Mr. Garamendi. I have run well over my time. I will make a couple quick comments. The science--the Federal funding for science programs in this particular area, in the oceans and ocean observation, often wind up at research facilities like Hoover or Scripps, both of which are connected to universities, and I suspect it is similar around the United States. That funding not only deals--not only provides the basic science, and whatever comes from that, but it also provides the education for the engineers, the scientists, and others. Those are the fellowships, the--and the rest that flow from that, so that the funding for science is also the funding for education, which is the foundation for the workers that the private sector needs. And so, as we move this issue forward, if we are going to deal with this, we have to come back to the research piece of it and make sure that that has long legs, that it is--that there is continuity, and, in this particular area, that it is available for the ocean sciences in the broadest sense of it. Unfortunately, we are not going in that direction. The clear indication is that we are backing away from funding basic research. There are folks, as you say, in Sand Hill Road that are happy to pick up--that used to be happy to pick up this. Now they want to have a quick turnaround with some sort of an app for the iPhone. But hopefully they will get back to more basic things that actually have--longer lasting than an app that disappears in 6 months because it is replaced by another app. I think I had better yield back; I am at least 4 minutes and 45 seconds over my time. [Laughter.] Mr. Garamendi. Mr. Chairman, thank you for the---- Mr. Hunter. Thank the ranking member. Mr. Rice is recognized. Mr. Rice. Thank you, gentlemen, for being here today. This is very interesting to me. I live on the ocean, and I am an avid fisherman, spend a lot of time on the ocean, and truly enjoy it. And there are a lot of questions I have, being from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, which is a resort town, and somewhat in Hurricane Alley, maybe on the edge of it. Living there for decades, and seeing hurricane prediction, and predictions of how many hurricanes are going to occur, I have to see the--I believe the University of Colorado just said, ``We are not going to do this any more, because we can't get it right.'' They seem absurdly inaccurate. Almost every single year. Are we making any progress in this type of prediction? I mean I know it is very difficult to understand these earth systems, but are we making progress? Mr. Terrill. Well, I see some eyes looking towards me, so I will take a stab at this. [Laughter.] Mr. Terrill. I have actually been involved in hurricane research at some level, and so I would like to make some comments that the longer range forecasts that University of Colorado used to put out, it was a very difficult problem, because of the way that the chaos of the system that we are dealing with. Where we have seen steady improvements every year is in our ability to track forecasting. So if you think about hurricanes and the evacuations that you have experienced, some estimates I have seen cost about $1 million a mile of coastline to evacuate shorelines. So the more we can improve track forecasts, the better. And we are getting there. The difficulties we are having right now are in intensity forecasting. And sometimes that threshold of when you evacuate is based on what are the strength of the winds, and what will those winds be 24, 48 hours out. And the reason our intensity forecasts are often lacking is because we don't have good information about the ocean heat content. Hurricanes are a thermal engine. They depend on the amount of heat that is in the upper ocean available to fuel the storms. By being able to have better observations of ocean heat up near the surface, it will give us better intensity forecasts, and that has been demonstrated. But, I agree, those long-range forecasts, that is a gambling man's game to be in. But that shorter term forecast, I think we are making progress. Mr. Altshuler. Yes, I would like to comment a little bit and add to what Dr. Terrill said. Probably one of the most successful ocean observing programs worldwide is called the Argo Program. And Scripps has a major position in there. Teledyne has a major position. We supply two-thirds of what are called profiling floats that measure the heat, or the thermal properties of the ocean, down to 2,000 meters. And there are some new systems that will go all the way down to 6,000 meters. Those allow the ocean modeling, which understands the heat content, and thus understands the energy budget when you have these types of storms. That is one big piece of it. The next is more of a tactical piece. And there are some new efforts--again, coming out of NOAA and out of IOOS--called storm gliders. So they are looking at underwater autonomous vehicles that are put out in front of the storms, still out at sea, still well away from the shoreline to--really, to start to understand the ocean mixing. Because that is the other piece of this that becomes very important, is as the storms come through, the dynamics of the ocean become different than in the steady-state environment, and that changes how the storm gathers energy, and how the storm intensifies or doesn't intensify. The best example of this is probably looking at the loop current within the Gulf of Mexico, and what are called core eddies that shed off the loop current in the Gulf of Mexico. These are very warm pockets of water. Satellite imagery does not really tell you how big they big they are and how deep they go. But as the storms go over, if they go over a core eddy, they can grow from a Category 1 or 2 storm to a Category 5 storm very, very quickly. So, it is a very important process to study the--actually, the full 300 or 3-dimensional heat budget of that ocean to be able to deal with those types of models. Mr. Rice. As an offshore fisherman, I would look at sea surface temperature charts to try to find those eddies, because often the fish are in those very eddies. So, what I am hearing from you is that we are improving in tracking and short-term forecasting, but that, really, there is not a whole lot of progress in long-term hurricane numbers, intensity, all those types of things. Is that correct? Mr. Terrill. That is correct. The last large science efforts actually came out of the Department of Defense. Office of Naval Research sponsored large programs to study the rapid intensification of storms, and developed a lot of these unmanned technologies we heard about. And we are making improvements, but what we are finding is the ocean is undersampled. So if we have the data points, we can actually get those intensity forecasts a lot better, take advantage of some of the hurricane P300 aircraft, putting assets right in the path of the storm to get those observations. Mr. Rice. The other problem I see with data that is erroneous or lacking is in the marine fisheries. I hear a lot from fishermen in my district about the fact that fisheries' seasons are closed, or the timelines are shortened, based on erroneous information in--that the marine life is plentiful, particularly in the areas being closed. So, is there any improvement in those areas? Can we look forward to improved data? Mr. Altshuler. I will try that again, although this is pushing a little bit. There are a couple of interesting efforts that are underway. Probably one which is--has U.S. content and has Canadian content is called the Ocean Tracking Network. And the idea is to tag and track fisheries. So, what ends up happening is there is a bottom network of sensors that is watching fish moving around through certain restricted areas. That is probably the best types of data to get. From--other than that, it is a really hard problem to go and try to understand. Again, because it is a three-dimensional problem in the ocean, and we really don't understand much below the surface of the ocean. Mr. Rice. Well, and it is unfortunate, because we are dealing with people's livelihoods. And when you do things like close the black sea bass fishery off South Carolina, and the fishermen can't catch anything else, because every time they put their line down they catch a black sea bass because there are so many of them, it is obviously based on erroneous data. And if there is any way we can improve that. Has anybody here studied the long-term effects of the Deepwater Horizon incident? I am curious about that. No? The-- you know, there is talk of significant oil and gas reserves off of the shores of South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia. And there is pushback on doing the testing required. The only charts that they have were done 30 years ago, based on antique technology, and they are talking of doing sonic testing off the shores to determine, with new technology, whether or not these reserves exist. But there has also been pushback because it would damage marine life. Can you describe--can anybody here describe the process of this testing, and how it damages marine life? No? Mr. Moore. I can take a stab at it. Mr. Rice. OK. Mr. Moore. At risk of error. In the aftermath of the BP oil spill, there was prospect or promise of funding regional centers using some of the settlement money--State centers, if you will, for excellence, that would be doing various research efforts to study the ecosystems within their local environs. That funding really hasn't arrived at the centers yet. So there has been, basically, a stall in actually doing--going forward. There is another body of funding that has been funding consortiums from different States in the area that is very research-oriented. That funding has started to flow, and there has been programmatic efforts going on. But from my--I don't have direct knowledge of what progress they have made in actually identifying the impact, long term. Mr. Rice. Has anybody here been involved in any of this sonic testing at all? Mr. Moore. Our sensors, our equipment, our---- Mr. Altshuler. So--and I can add to that. So, I think from the standpoint of the surveys, it is what is called a seismic survey, where they use large vessels that have streamers, they have hydrophone arrays that stream back behind the ships, and then they use--right now the current technology is an airgun to acoustically activate the water, and put seismic energy into the subsurface to look for what is called top salt. It is the layer where the potential oil is underneath. And there are concerns--it is used a lot, but there are environmental concerns relative to that. The type of energy that is put into the water column currently--just to give an idea of technology development, there are--there is a consortium of oil companies, and a program that is being led out of Texas A&M University at the environmental station down at Texas A&M University to look at other types of technologies, to put energy into that sublayer that has less environmental issues. That would change how you do the surveys. And then, you propagate to what Mr. Moore has been talking about, which is, once you are there, it is the environmental monitoring. And the things that didn't exist in Deepwater Horizon was the response capability to understand when or if you have that type of an accident, how you respond and how quickly you can understand the oil moving into the water column. Because that oil was moving in at 1,200 meters. And that is--again, as I have said earlier, it is very hard to sample down that deep, and only a few types of systems can actually do good measurements there. Mr. Terrill. As you mentioned, the sonic testing is using airguns. And I think you referred to them as ancient technologies. And at those times I don't think we had a good understanding of the impacts to marine mammals. Since then, with the advent of U.S. Navy sonars, and all the testings and investment of research that have gone into them, they have started to put criteria, in terms of the amount of sound that can be put in the ocean with potential damage to the marine mammals. Mr. Rice. But---- Mr. Terrill. But there are some mitigating tools now, I think, coming out. Using electromagnetics is one area that oil companies are beginning to use that aren't impactful to the marine life, that provide alternatives to oil exploration. Mr. Rice. I am way over my time, but thank you very, very much. [Laughter.] Mr. Hunter. When only two or three people show up to the hearing, you are allowed to go over your time. That is the rule. [Laughter.] Mr. Hunter. I have a question. Just if you could, go down the line and give me an example. PortVision is easy to understand. Right? I got that, right? I understand how that is applicable, why it should be used, what it provides. But in practical applicability, to what different agencies should be using right now to make their lives easier, or to save money, or to save lives, or to be able to do something that they can't do right now, could you just kind of give me, each of you, what do you think we should be using, any Government agency, not--you know, Coast Guard, NOAA, Navy, whatever--what should we be using or seeing that we are not, for whatever reason? Practically, a real example, if you could. Mr. Altshuler. So I will start with a product we make that has been successfully used in the ocean. It is relatively new. There are approximately 500 that we have sold. And that is called an underwater glider. And what it uses is a very slight change in the--whether the glider floats or sinks. It is a buoyancy engine to move up and down through the water column. And it is used to do everything from naval operational ISR to core science--and I mentioned storm gliders--including looking at storms. This is probably one of the core components to both coastal and deep ocean observation at the first 1,000 meters of the ocean. It is a core element to the ocean observatory's initiative. It is--we see it being used worldwide by academic organizations and internationally. But it is at its fledgling stage. I think that we will see that technology adopted, or we should see that technology adopted over the next 10 years. It will change how we understand the ocean. And as you go down the group of gentlemen here, and we talk to even some of the other committees, it is really just a truck to take the sensors into the ocean to allow us to understand the bits and pieces of it. Mr. Benton. Automatic identification systems, you know, the traditional ones are very successful. And all of the benefits that come out of that also apply to small vessels, when you start enabling them. So, from the Coast Guard perspective, just being able to track where vessels are, support search and rescue, et cetera, all of that is supported. From Custom and Border Protection perspective, a boat coming over from the Bahamas, gets the cell phone wireless network and lights up, and they can start the clearing process. Also, the whole Internet use of the wireless Internet to support maritime stuff is equally applicable for spots like the Arctic. The architecture that we are using to support the recreational community fits right into the e-navigation concepts that IMO is looking at. So, the ability to take traditional large vessel bridge information, such as AISA Class A and B, repackage that, and bounce it off an Iridium satellite into a network architecture, enables a whole lot of stuff to start happening to support Arctic operations without putting a whole lot of money into building new infrastructure. Mr. Moore. We need his truck. [Laughter.] Mr. Moore. So, the--if we are going---- Mr. Hunter. If I could--I mean I have been--I have seen a lot of autonomous underwater, nonmotorized vehicles, right, that have that--they use the swell and kind of like the wings that the surfboard--the liquid robotics guys use up in Silicon Valley, or whoever. We had some guys in San Diego that have their own autonomous vehicle that is kind of self-propelled. But I have seen that. So, I mean, that is going to be there. Mr. Moore. Yes. And by deploying those, we can address a lot of the problems that have come up in the question and answer period, including better fisheries management, the ability to get the heat--vertical heat transfer in the upper water column for storm prediction of intensity. These types of problems can be addressed using that type of mechanism. And it, right now, seems among the most efficient and cost-effective-- and actually using on a widespread capacity, so---- Mr. Rosenberg. Yes, I think, from our perspective, improving efficiency of commercial vessel movements. So, at the Army Corps of Engineers, improving predictive forecasting and collaboration around show points on inland rivers, lock management and the ability to support more efficient queuing in and around locks to be more predictive in transit times. For Coast Guard and Customs and DHS, again, the frontline personnel giving what we call portable MDA or portable maritime domain awareness into the hands of those who have to do boarding, those who have to do incident investigations, and other things that are outside of the command center. And then the other things that I talked about earlier. Mr. Hunter. Just really quick, can you do--I mean do you know right now--do they write algorithms that can queue them, the Coast Guard or Homeland Security, off of the information of where the ships are coming from and where they are going to, and that kind of thing? Mr. Rosenberg. So, I mean, there are notices of arrival, and there is data around that. It is not typically used for what I call berth rotation scheduling, or for actually improving the efficiency of once a vessel gets to the sea buoy and it moves up to its other activities in and around the port. There was a funded initiative called LOMA at the Army Corps of Engineers. I believe that that has been defunded, but I am not certain. And that was a home-grown system for doing some lock automation and lock management. Mr. Hunter. Thank you. Mr. Slayton. I will talk both for general oceans applications as well as High North, in order, for infrastructure. Again, applaud the efforts of the Army Corps recently, and the combined efforts of looking at both Port Clarence and Nome for port expansion. I have heard both from State representatives, as well as the local municipal leaders, about looking at some out-of-the-box applications for expanding the capacity and capability of both those port facilities, where some of these proposed floating platforms, particularly based on the geography, and based on the weather, and based on the changing environment, may be extremely beneficial in the High North going forward. Next, I think as you have heard from all the panelists, the increase in communications capability across the board is required, and no more so than in the High North. So I think a strong look at how some additional fiber can be laid in to support the communications and bandwidth infrastructure in the High North is definitely warranted. We have also heard a lot about the monitoring, and I think that is the key. Congressman Rice said--had mentioned about the lack of forecasting ability for the oceans. You go up to the High North, it is one-third. There is a reason why they say if you don't like the weather in Alaska, wait 5 minutes. It is because it is very unpredictable. And, again, the more we monitor, the more sensors we put into the environment, the better those forecasts are going to be. And that has a direct effect in risk reduction for the folks that are out there trying to make a living on the ocean. And that is going to make us more efficient and a better economy, going forward. Again, applaud the efforts of the unmanned side, both for the surface, the underwater, as well as the aerial. And, again, I look at the high-endurance, long--high-altitude, long- endurance UAVs to fill as a space-based gap filler, until we do get some additional satellites to cover some of those areas. And there is plenty of platforms out there, trucks, that can fill that role right now to bring that capability to pass. That is all I have. Thank you. Mr. Terrill. A couple of points I would like to make is, first, I think one activity this subcommittee could be involved in is giving a little more legs to the U.S. Coast Guard R&D facility to more closely interact with the Naval Research Enterprise and other Government agencies that are directly involved doing this whole MDA, maritime surveillance process. Coast Guard R&D would be a quick study to get up to speed on all those types of activities, and be able to leverage that at a significant cost savings to the taxpayer. That would also include demonstration activities, so that we can work in a spiral development world, where we aren't placing large sums of resources into making bad mistakes. We can make bad mistakes with small investments, and learn lessons from those. So that would be one point I would make. The other is what I talked about earlier with high- frequency radar, and how that is used for all the ocean science applications, as well as the MDA applications of them. And we are running into a little bit of a tragedy where every agency thinks the other guy is going to pick up the tab for it. Right now we have got NOAA stepping to the plate. They have been paying for 50 percent of that system, and it is used by a lot of other agencies. So getting some legs into those budgets that support those systems that are cutting across a lot of agencies--I don't know how to solve that problem, but that is one I will point out there. And the last point would be that I think the long-term investment in ocean technology--specifically STEM--having science technology, engineering, mathematics efforts to support the future MDA workforce, future naval workforce, is only going to benefit this country. So I would encourage that. Thank you. Mr. Hunter. That is it for me this morning. Mr. Garamendi? Mr. Garamendi. I want to thank the witnesses. Fascinating, very interesting. Very, very important. It seems to me that there are a couple of things that-- well, I have got a bunch of questions. I think I would like to submit them to you gentlemen, and you comment if you care to. We can't force you to, but I think it would be helpful. One of them has to do with all these UAVs and the security of them. Who can hack into them? What happens if they do, and suddenly the ship is headed for San Francisco, instead of San Diego? We looked at that when we were looking at an L&G terminal off the coast of Malibu, and what would happen if we missed the location of the ship. Anyway, I would like to look at those kinds of things. Also, this issue has been raised, the chairman has been all over this forever and a day, and he ought to stay with it, and that is a lot of work is being done by independent researchers, university researchers, and the private sector, and attempting to be replicated by, in this case, the Coast Guard. The use of PortVision, wherein the Coast Guard would contract for that with PortVision, rather than building their own system. So we need to look at that across the board and to better utilize the private sector's work, and integrate that into the military. I was taken by the testimony that you made. I asked about the integration of your Arctic program with the U.S. Navy and you said, ``Not so much.'' We are out of time, so I am just going to say I am going to let it hang there. And when the opportunity arises to meet with the Navy and--I am going to ask them what they are doing in working with other organizations, and not invent-it-here mentality that exists everywhere--and I suspect in your own organizations also. I will let it go at that. We will submit to you a series of questions. If you care to answer, it would be helpful to us. Thank you very much for the testimony. Mr. Hunter. I just want to say thanks for coming out. Thanks for coming out and kind of making--one of the reasons we do this is to simply raise the observation and raise awareness that you are out there, and that there is a blue economy, and there is this sector of the economy that is kind of--people don't really pay attention to. And especially in southern California, people had no idea the impact, the good jobs, what it means for San Diego, you know, for maritime. So we are trying to just raise awareness. You know, we don't know if there is going to be a lot of funding for this type of stuff going forward. But what it means is, like Mr. Garamendi just said, it is not just the Coast Guard that could benefit, or the Navy that could benefit, or NOAA, or the weather folks. It is everybody, because everybody touches the ocean in some way, and maritime touches everybody. And so, if there is a way to make sure that anybody that has got a stake in this game realizes that they have a stake in the game, kind of like the icebreaker for the Arctic, no one entity is going to pay for that. It is going to be a lot of agencies are probably going to have to help pay for that, if they see it as a priority, and that kind of goes along the entire section here of maritime technology. So, I just want to say thanks for coming out. Thanks for talking with us. And thank you, witnesses. The subcommittee stands adjourned. [Whereupon, at 11:06 a.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]