[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] PRIVATE SECTOR PROGRAMS THAT ENGAGE STUDENTS IN STEM ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ JANUARY 9, 2014 __________ Serial No. 113-60 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available via the World Wide Web: http://science.house.gov _____ U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 86-898 PDF WASHINGTON : 2013 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800 DC area (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HON. LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas, Chair DANA ROHRABACHER, California EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas RALPH M. HALL, Texas ZOE LOFGREN, California F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois Wisconsin DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Texas ERIC SWALWELL, California PAUL C. BROUN, Georgia DAN MAFFEI, New York STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi ALAN GRAYSON, Florida MO BROOKS, Alabama JOSEPH KENNEDY III, Massachusetts RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois SCOTT PETERS, California LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana DEREK KILMER, Washington STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas AMI BERA, California BILL POSEY, Florida ELIZABETH ESTY, Connecticut CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming MARC VEASEY, Texas DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona JULIA BROWNLEY, California THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky MARK TAKANO, California KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota ROBIN KELLY, Illinois JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma RANDY WEBER, Texas CHRIS COLLINS, New York VACANCY ------ Subcommittee on Research and Technology HON. LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana, Chair STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois MO BROOKS, Alabama FEDERICA WILSON, Florida RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois ZOE LOFGREN, California STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas SCOTT PETERS, California CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming AMI BERA, California DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona DEREK KILMER, Washington THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky ELIZABETH ESTY, Connecticut JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma ROBIN KELLY, Illinois LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas C O N T E N T S January 9, 2014 Page Witness List..................................................... 2 Hearing Charter.................................................. 3 Opening Statements Statement by Representative Larry Bucshon, Chairman, Subcommittee on Research and Technology, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives...................... 1 Written Statement............................................ 5 Statement by Representative Daniel Lipinski, Ranking Minority Member, Subcommittee on Research and Technology, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.. 6 Written Statement............................................ 7 Statement by Representative Lamar S. Smith, Chairman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives................................................ 8 Written Statement............................................ 9 Statement by Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, Ranking Member, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives............................................. 10 Written Statement............................................ 11 Witnesses: Panel I Mr. Dean Kamen, Founder, For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology (FIRST), Founder and President, DEKA Research & Development Corporation Oral Statement............................................... 12 Written Statement............................................ 14 Mr. Hadi Partovi, Co-founder and CEO, Code.org Oral Statement............................................... 26 Written Statement............................................ 28 Dr. Kemi Jona, Director, Office of STEM Education Partnerships, Research Professor, Learning Sciences and Computer Sciences, Northwestern University Oral Statement............................................... 53 Written Statement............................................ 56 Dr. Phillip Cornwell, Vice President for Academic Affairs, Professor of Mechanical Engineering, Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Oral Statement............................................... 78 Written Statement............................................ 81 Discussion....................................................... 85 Panel II Ms. Ellana Crew, 12th Grade, South River High School, Edgewater, Maryland Oral Statement............................................... 109 Written Statement............................................ 111 Mr. Brian Morris, 12th Grade, Chantilly Academy, Chantilly, Virginia Oral Statement............................................... 113 Written Statement............................................ 115 Mr. Daniel Nette, 11th Grade, George Mason High School, Falls Church, Virginia Oral Statement............................................... 116 Written Statement............................................ 117 Mr. Vishnu Rachakonda, 12th Grade, Eleanor Roosevelt High School, Greenbelt, Maryland Oral Statement............................................... 119 Written Statement............................................ 121 Discussion....................................................... 123 Appendix I: Answers to Post-Hearing Questions Mr. Dean Kamen, Founder, For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology (FIRST), Founder and President, DEKA Research & Development Corporation............................. 134 Mr. Hadi Partovi, Co-founder and CEO, Code.org................... 137 Dr. Phillip Cornwell, Vice President for Academic Affairs, Professor of Mechanical Engineering, Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology..................................................... 142 PRIVATE SECTOR PROGRAMS THAT ENGAGE STUDENTS IN STEM ---------- THURSDAY, JANUARY 9, 2014 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Research and Technology Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:06 a.m., in Room 2318 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Larry Bucshon [Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding. [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. The Subcommittee on Research and Technology will come to order. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to today's hearing titled ``Private Sector Programs that Engage Students in STEM,'' which we all know is a very important subject. In front of you are packets containing the written testimony, biographies and Truth in Testimony disclosures for today's witnesses. I now recognize myself for five minutes for an opening statement. I am happy to call to order the first Research and Technology Subcommittee hearing of the new year. Today we will learn about private sector initiatives in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, or STEM, education and how these companies, businesses and organizations engage students in these important fields. A report released by the National Science Board in 2012 indicates that the science and engineering workforce historically grows faster than the total workforce. Although the science and engineering growth rate has maintained a higher rate than the total workforce, the last decade has seen much lower growth. One of the most essential aspects to keeping America at the forefront of STEM innovation, advancement and development is engaging students at a young age and keeping them interested in pursuing STEM degrees and careers. As a cardiothoracic surgeon and father of four children between the ages of 9 and 20, I understand that such programs and activities are necessary to enhance America's economic growth and competitiveness. With the federal government spending nearly $3 billion across 13 federal agencies on STEM education programs each year, we must ensure the government is leveraging rather than duplicating private sector STEM education initiatives. Our hearing today will provide a unique opportunity for our first panel of witnesses to discuss the innovative projects and programs taking place at their private sector business and educational institutions, and for our second panel of witnesses to discuss their personal experiences with these types of initiatives. I look forward to hearing from all of our witnesses and I would like to thank them for their participation and offering their time and insight into the private sector's success in STEM education. [The prepared statement of Mr. Bucshon follows:] Prepared Statement of Subcommittee on Research and Technology Chairman Larry Bucshon I am happy to call to order the first Research and Technology Subcommittee hearing of the year. Today we will learn about private sector initiatives in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, or STEM, education and how these companies, businesses and organizations engage students in these important fields. A report released by the National Science Board in 2012 indicates that the science and engineering workforce historically grows faster than the total workforce. Although the science and engineering growth rate has maintained a higher rate than the total workforce, the last decade has seen much lower growth. One of the most essential aspects to keeping America at the forefront of STEM innovation, advancement and development is engaging students at a young age and keeping them interested in pursuing STEM degrees and careers. As a cardiothoracic surgeon and father of four children between the ages of 9 and 20, I understand that such programs and activities are necessary to enhance America's economic growth and competitiveness. With the federal government spending nearly $3 billion dollars across thirteen federal agencies on STEM education programs each year, we must ensure the government is leveraging rather than duplicating private sector STEM education initiatives. Our hearing today will provide a unique opportunity for our first panel of witnesses to discuss the innovative projects and programs taking place at their private sector business and educational institutions, and for our second panel of witnesses to discuss their personal experiences with these types of initiatives. I look forward to hearing from all of our witnesses and I would like to thank them for their participation and offering their time and insight into the private sector's success in STEM education. Chairman Bucshon. At this point I recognize the Ranking Member, the gentleman from Illinois, for an opening statement, five minutes. Mr. Lipinski. Thank you, Chairman Bucshon. I want to thank all of our witnesses for being here today. One of the reasons that I had joined this Committee when I first came to Congress is because of my strong interest in working to improve math and science education in this country. I am one of only a dozen engineers in the House and Senate, and my wife was a math major in college and, unlike me, her STEM training led her directly into a career as an actuary. So from my own family experiences and what I have seen and heard from others, I am very aware of how important it is that we do a good job of engaging and educating our students at all levels in STEM fields. But with the release last month of the latest PISA results, we were reminded yet again of the troubling statistics on the state of U.S. math and science education. U.S. K-12 students rank in the middle of the pack in international comparisons of math and science aptitude. We see the problems at all job levels. I am constantly hearing from manufacturing companies in my district that they have a hard time finding employees who have even basic math and science skills. In higher education, we have far too few students pursuing and completing degrees in certain STEM fields to meet the needs of domestic industry. For example, less than 2.4 percent of college students graduate with a degree in computer science, despite tremendous demand for these skills, and that number has dropped over the last decade. Our troubles start from the earliest grades and are part of a negative feedback cycle that we have to break. Students who aren't learning the necessary skills by the time they graduate high school are much less likely to pursue, and to succeed, in STEM fields in college. When we lose an undergraduate student from a STEM field, we lose a scientist or engineer who could potentially pursue a career in teaching the next generation. We know these to be complex problems with no easy or one- size-fits-all solution. That is why partnerships between the private sector, Federal and state governments, colleges, universities, local school districts, national labs, science museums, zoos and aquaria, and all types of nonprofits are more important today than ever. The United States still has some of the best K-12 schools, colleges and universities in the world, and our top students at all levels compete easily with the top students from around the world. That is why I am glad we have witnesses here today that can speak to the types of STEM partnerships needed to engage young minds at an early age and keep them engaged in STEM fields. In particular, Northwestern University's Office of STEM Education Partnerships connects K- 12 teachers and students to world-class STEM resources of Northwestern University and corporations in the state of Illinois such as Boeing, Baxter, Google, Hewlett Packard, IBM and more. I am especially proud as a graduate of Northwestern with my degree in mechanical engineering. Today's hearing focuses on private sector and university STEM engagement programs. I look forward to hearing from these accomplished individuals who have dedicated their careers to improving STEM engagement and learning in their communities and across the Nation. I also look forward to hearing from the students who have participated in the FIRST Robotics competition. But I also want to say a few words about the Federal role in this partnership. The federal government invests $3 billion in STEM education across 14 agencies. While that is a large dollar figure, it is important to put that number in perspective. Less than half of that is focused at the K-12 level. Federal investments in K-12 education overall account for only ten percent of total U.S. funding for K-12 education, and the Federal share of STEM funding is likely much less than ten percent. So the Federal role is limited, but it is also unique and necessary. The National Science Foundation is the single most important source of research, development, and testing of innovative new models for STEM education. The federal government also has an unrivaled ability to convene stakeholders and to leverage private sector investment in STEM education. Entrepreneurs like Mr. Kamen and Mr. Partovi did not have to start from scratch. They are smart businessmen investing in, perfecting, and expanding evidence-based ideas and programs. So while the federal government cannot begin to solve our STEM education challenges alone, we would be remiss to ignore the important role the government does play. I hope that this Committee will continue to exercise its oversight authority to ensure that we get the most out of our relatively small but critical Federal STEM education programs. I want to thank Chairman Bucshon again for calling this hearing, and the witnesses as well for taking the time today to offer their insights and experiences. With that, I will yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Lipinski follows:] Prepared Statement of Subcommittee on Research and Technology Ranking Minority Member Daniel Lipinski Thank you, Chairman Bucshon, and thank you to all of the witnesses for being here today. One of the reasons I joined this Committee is because of my strong interest in working to improve math and science education in this country. I am one of only a dozen members of the House and Senate who has an engineering degree. My wife was a math major in college and--unlike me--her STEM training led her directly into a career as an actuary. From our own family experiences and what I have seen over the years, I am very aware of how important it is that we do a good job of engaging and educating our students at all levels in STEM fields. But with the release last month of the latest PISA results, we were reminded yet again of the troubling statistics on the state of U.S. math and science education. U.S. K-12 students rank in the middle of the pack in international comparisons of math and science aptitude. We see the problems at all job levels. I constantly hear from manufacturers back home that they have a hard time finding employees who have even basic math and science skills. In higher education we have far too few students pursuing and completing degrees in certain STEM fields to meet the needs of domestic industry. For example, less than 2.4% of college students graduate with a degree in computer science, despite tremendous demand for these skills, and that number has dropped over the last decade. Our troubles start from the earliest grades and are part of a negative feedback cycle that we must break. Students who aren't learning the necessary skills by the time they graduate high school are much less likely to pursue, and to succeed, in STEM fields in college. When we lose an undergraduate student from a STEM field, we lose a scientist or engineer who could potentially pursue a career in teaching the next generation. We know these to be complex problems with no easy or one-size-fits- all solution. That's why partnerships between the private sector, Federal and state governments, colleges, universities, local school districts, national labs, science museums, zoos and aquaria, and all types of nonprofits are more important than ever. The U.S. still has some of the best K-12 schools, colleges, and universities in the world, and our top students at all levels compete easily with the top students from around the world. That's why I'm glad we have witnesses here today that can speak to the types of STEM partnerships needed to engage young minds at an early age and keep them engaged in STEM fields. In particular, Northwestern University's Office of STEM Education Partnerships connects K-12 teachers and students to the world-class STEM resources of Northwestern University and corporations in the state of Illinois such as Boeing, Baxter, Google, Hewlett Packard, IBM, and more. Today's hearing focuses on private sector and university STEM engagement programs. I look forward to hearing from these accomplished individuals who have dedicated their careers to improving STEM engagement and learning in their communities and across the nation. I also look forward to hearing from the students who have participated in the FIRST Robotics competition. But I also want to say a few words about the federal role in this partnership. The Federal Government invests $3 billion in STEM education across 14 agencies. While that is a large dollar figure, it's important to put that number in perspective. Less than half of that is focused at the K-12 level. Federal investments in K-12 education overall account for only 10 percent of total U.S. funding for K-12 education, and the federal share of STEM funding is likely much less than 10 percent. So the federal role is limited, but it is also unique and necessary. The National Science Foundation is the single most important source for research, development, and testing of innovative new models for STEM education. The federal government also has an unrivaled ability to convene stakeholders and to leverage private sector investment in STEM education. Entrepreneurs like Mr. Kamen and Mr. Partovi did not have to start from scratch. They are smart businessmen investing in, perfecting, and expanding evidence-based ideas and programs. So while the federal government cannot begin to solve our STEM education challenges alone, we would be remiss to ignore the important role the government does play. I hope that this Committee will continue to exercise its oversight authority to ensure that we get the most out of our relatively small, but critical federal STEM education programs. I want to thank Chairman Bucshon again for calling this hearing, and the witnesses as well for taking the time to offer their insights and experiences with us today. And with that, I yield back. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you, Mr. Lipinski. I now recognize the Chairman of the full Committee, the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Smith. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, let me comment on the atmosphere I ran into when I entered the room before the hearing officially began and the gavel came down, because it was an atmosphere unlike almost any other hearing I have walked into. The atmosphere was almost festive, and people were excited because they are interested in this subject, and I think we are excited also about what we are going to hear from our witnesses today in the case of both panels. This is a subject that fascinates us, I think, and we all realize it is absolutely a key to the future prosperity of this country. So it was fun to walk into that kind of an environment. Mr. Chairman, to achieve the innovations of tomorrow, we must better educate American students today. The federal government spends nearly $3 billion each year on science, technology, engineering and math education activities. These programs are found primarily at the National Science Foundation and the Department of Education. Today we will hear from leaders and experts from private sector organizations that focus on engaging students in STEM education. Two of them were established for this express purpose. We need to learn what is taking place outside of the federal government so we can be sure we are not spending taxpayer dollars on duplicative programs, and we need to more effectively use taxpayers' dollars to gain the most benefit for our students and our country. It is critical to understand what is working and how we can build on that success. The leaders of these organizations and the student participants here today are in a good position to provide us with useful information. A well-educated and trained STEM workforce will promote our future economic prosperity. But we must persuade our Nation's youth to study science and engineering so they will want to pursue these careers. Great strides are being made in STEM education by the organizations represented here today, FIRST and Code.org, and by institutions like the Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology and Northwestern University. Unfortunately, American students still lag behind students of other nations when it comes to STEM education. American students, according to one poll, rank 26th in math and 21st in science. This is not the record of a country that expects to remain a world leader. We need to ensure that young adults have the scientific and mathematic skills to strive and thrive in a technology-based economy. You can't have innovation without advances in technology, and the STEM students of today will lead us to the cutting-edge technologies of tomorrow. The students participating in our second panel are proof that a STEM education can prepare our next generation of scientists, engineers, entrepreneurs and leaders. Mr. Chairman, thank you, and I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today. [The prepared statement of Mr. Smith follows:] Prepared Statement of Full Committee Chairman Lamar S. Smith To achieve the innovations of tomorrow, we must better educate American students today. The federal government spends nearly $3 billion dollars each year on science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) education activities. These programs are found primarily at the National Science Foundation and the Department of Education. Today we will hear from leaders and experts from private sector organizations that focus on engaging students in STEM education. Two of them were established for this express purpose. We need to learn what is taking place outside of the federal government so we can be sure we are not spending taxpayer dollars on duplicative programs. And we need to more effectively use taxpayers' dollars to gain the most benefit for our students and our country. It is critical to understand what is working and how we can build on that success. The leaders of these organizations and the student participants here today are in a good position to provide us with useful information. A well-educated and trained STEM workforce will promote our future economic prosperity. But we must persuade our nation's youth to study science and engineering so they will want to pursue these careers. Great strides are being made in STEM education by the organizations represented here today, FIRST and Code.org, and by institutions like the Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology and Northwestern University. Unfortunately, American students still lag behind students of other nations when it comes to STEM education. American students according to one poll rank 26th in math and 21st in science. This is not the record of a country that expects to remain a world leader. We need to ensure that young adults have the scientific and mathematic skills to strive and thrive in a technology-based economy. You can't have innovation without advances in technology. And the STEM students of today will lead us to the cutting-edge technologies of tomorrow. The students participating in our second panel are proof that a STEM education can prepare our next generation of scientists, engineers, entrepreneurs and leaders. I look forward to hearing about the STEM programs and activities of our witnesses. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you, Chairman. I now recognize the Ranking Member, the gentlelady from Texas, Ms. Johnson, for her opening statement. Ms. Johnson. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for holding this hearing. I would like to start by asking all of the students that are present to stand. I want to congratulate you, and I am truly impressed by your leadership and your accomplishments. You should be very proud because you will be our leaders of tomorrow. Thank you for standing. Unfortunately, too many students across the country do not have the opportunities to participate in inspiring STEM activities or to receive a high-quality STEM education. Once again, our students were just in the middle of the pack in the latest international test of science and math proficiency. I had a long visit just last night with the minister of education from Japan, and we talked about that a lot. We can no longer depend on our top few percent to maintain a strong and vibrant economy with good, high-paying jobs in our own communities. Our competitive edge will be lost if we do not vastly improve STEM education in this country for all of our students. We know that this is a complex challenge that no entity can solve alone. There is no silver bullet. And there is a role for all the key stakeholders, public and private. Today we hear from two entrepreneurs and two education leaders in STEM education. I congratulate them for their important work and thank them for taking the time to provide their insight to this Committee today. But I also want to emphasize the important and unique role of the federal government in improving STEM education. Many Federal STEM programs, including those supported by the National Science Foundation and the Department of Education, are making a difference in universities, community colleges, and K-12 across the nation. There are also many valuable programs being funded through other Federal science agencies, such as NASA, NOAA and the Department of Energy. These agencies are filled with thousands of scientists and engineers who can make a difference in their own communities for students across the country. As working STEM professionals, the real life work that they do using STEM is so inspiring to our students. Take an astronaut to the classroom. You will see what I am talking about. But the Federal role is more than that. The National Science Foundation is the premier STEM education research organization in the country. For decades, NSF has been a leader in developing the most effective and inspiring STEM curricula and programs in and out of the classroom. When the private sector invests in STEM education, they are looking for proven programs with proven outcomes. The National Science Foundation more than any other organization is responsible for building that evidence base. I hope this Committee will continue to exercise its responsibility to conduct oversight of NSF's and other agencies' STEM education programs. Today, though, I look forward to hearing from the experts on the first panel about their programs and how we measure that impact. I also look forward to hearing from the students about what initially sparked their interest in STEM, and what role their teachers, parents and other mentors have played in helping them to reach their goals. I thank all of you for being here today to share this experience. I want to see the United States move from 26 to one. When I came here over 20 years ago, we were number 18. We are going backwards. We are challenged. We have got to meet that challenge. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Johnson follows:] Prepared Statement of Full Committee Ranking Member Eddie Bernice Johnson Good morning and thank you Chairman Bucshon for holding this hearing. I want to start by congratulating the students who are here today and welcoming you to the Committee. I am truly impressed by your leadership and your accomplishments, and you should all be very proud. Unfortunately, too many students across the country do not have opportunities to participate in inspiring STEM activities or to receive a high quality STEM education. Once again, our students were just in the middle of the pack in the latest international test of science and math proficiency. We can no longer depend on our top few percent to maintain a strong and vibrant economy with good, high-paying jobs in our own communities. Our competitive edge will be lost if we do not vastly improve STEM education in this country for all of our students. We know that this is a complex challenge that no one entity can solve alone. There is no silver bullet. And, there is a role for all the key stakeholders, public and private. Today we hear from two entrepreneurs and two education leaders in STEM education. I congratulate them for their important work and thank them for taking the time to provide their insight to the Committee today. But I also want to emphasize the important and unique role of the federal government in improving STEM education. Many Federal STEM programs, including those supported by the National Science Foundation and the Department of Education, are making a difference in universities, community colleges, and K-12 schools across the nation. There are also many valuable programs being funded through other federal science agencies, such as NASA, NOAA, and the Department of Energy. These agencies are filled with thousands of scientists and engineers who can make a difference in their own communities and for students across the country. As working STEM professionals, the real life work that they do using STEM is so inspiring to our children. But the federal role is more than that. The National Science Foundation is the premier STEM education research organization in the country. For decades, NSF has been a leader in developing the most effective and inspiring STEM curricula and programs in and out of the classroom. When the private sector invests in STEM education, they are looking for proven programs with proven outcomes. NSF, more than any other organization, is responsible for building that evidence base. I hope this Committee will continue to exercise its responsibility to conduct oversight of NSF's and other agencies' STEM education programs. Today though, I look forward to hearing from the experts on the first panel about their programs and how they measure impact. I also look forward to hearing from the students about what initially sparked their interest in STEM, and what role their teachers, parents, and other mentors have played in helping them to reach their goals. Thank you all for being here today to share your experiences with us. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. If there are Members who wish to submit additional opening statements, your statements will be added to the record at this point. At this time I am going to introduce our first panel of witnesses. Our first witness today is Mr. Dean Kamen. Mr. Kamen is an inventor and entrepreneur and the founder of For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology, otherwise known as FIRST, and founder and President of DEKA Research and Development Corporation. Our second witness is Mr. Hadi Partovi. Mr. Partovi is an entrepreneur and an investor who was on the founding teams of Tellme and iLike, and worked on Facebook, Dropbox and others as an investor and startup advisor. He co-founded the education nonprofit Code.org. Mr. Partovi is a graduate of Harvard. Our third witness is Dr. Kemi Jona. Dr. Jona is a Professor of Learning Sciences and Computer Science at Northwestern University. He is the founder and Director of Northwestern's Office of STEM Education Partnerships. Dr. Jona holds a Ph.D. from Northwestern and a B.S. in computer science and psychology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Our fourth witness, from my district, is Dr. Phillip Cornwell, Vice President for Academic Affairs and Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in Terre Haute. Dr. Cornwell received his B.S. degree in mechanical engineering from Texas Tech University and his M.A. and Ph.D. from Princeton. Our witnesses should know spoken testimony is limited to five minutes. There will be some latitude given. And I now recognize Mr. Kamen for five minutes to present his testimony. TESTIMONY OF MR. DEAN KAMEN, FOUNDER, FOR INSPIRATION AND RECOGNITION OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (FIRST), FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT, DEKA RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION [video] Mr. Kamen. You have to do what the voice of God tells you. Firstly, thank you, Chairman Smith, thank you, Chairman Bucshon, thank you, Ranking Member Lipinski, and thank you, Ranking Member Johnson. Each one of you has made comments that make this seem like it is going to be real easy. I think everybody understands the problem, everybody understands the importance of reinvigorating the entire generation of American kids to be leaders in the world in science and tech. Maybe this is unusual for you. I don't know much about Washington but it seems like everybody comes here asking for something. I can tell you, I as DEKA Research am not asking you for anything for me or my company, and I as the founder of FIRST am not asking you for anything for FIRST. FIRST has 3,500 corporate sponsors now. FIRST has 160 universities that are desperate to help get these kids into their system. They gave us last year over $18 million in scholarships to give out at our championship. We will have more this year. I am not asking you for them, but there are a few tens of millions of kids in this country that don't have access to FIRST. They are not capable of leveraging what these 3,500 corporate sponsors that are donating 120,000 world-class scientists and engineers. You can't buy these people. You couldn't afford them, and you can't buy passion. They do it because they care, because they are serious adults and professionals and parents. They know that we have got to invigorate kids to do something like this, so I am here to ask you to figure out how to get FIRST available to all these schools, and by doing that, you will be able to leverage what FIRST has put together over the last 25 years, and I think it will be a winner for everybody. My little red light is on, so I guess I have to shut up. [The prepared statement of Mr. Kamen follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize Mr. Partovi for his testimony. TESTIMONY OF MR. HADI PARTOVI, CO-FOUNDER AND CEO, CODE.ORG Mr. Partovi. Thank you very much. My name is Hadi Partovi. I learned to program early when I was young. I studied computer science at Harvard, and this set up my career with an early job at Microsoft. Sorry. I think you already heard me. I started my early career as a computer scientist. I learned to program young and I studied computer science at Harvard, and this set up my career with a great job at Microsoft. I co-founded multiple companies and was an early investor in some of our country's most successful startups. Starting from nothing, I am now living the American dream, and this is because of my foundation in computer science. Computer science fuels the American dream, and I am here not to testify on behalf of the organization I founded, Code.org, but I guess in support of the field, in support of computer science, and the reason is because 90 percent of our schools don't teach computer science. I want to play a short video from the supporters of Code.org to give you, in their words, why this field is important. [Video shown.] So my organization's goal is to bring computers science to all the schools of this country, and people often confuse what is computer science. When I went to school, every student and every school would teach how to dissect a frog or how electricity works, and I believe in this 21st century, it is equally important to learn how to dissect an app or how the Internet works, and this is fundamental not only to millions of careers in technology but even for students who don't ever want to pursue a career in technology. For people who want to become doctors or lawyers or accountants or elected officials, it is important to understand how the world around us works. Speaking about the careers in computer science, the Bureau of Labor Statistics projects 1.4 million jobs over ten years being created in this field, and the National Science Foundation projects only 400,000 graduates going into the field. That adds up to a million jobs in the gap between jobs and students, which adds up to $500 billion in salaries. What is more, these jobs are in every state and every industry. This isn't about Google or Microsoft having trouble hiring skilled laborers. Only one-third of computing jobs are in technology. The rest are in banking, manufacturing, government, retail, et cetera. If there is one thing I want you to remember from today, it is the charts I am showing up here. [Chart] The chart on the left shows you the amount of time high school students spend in all of STEM and the small sliver that is computer science. The chart on the right shows the jobs in all of STEM and the very giant segment that is computer science, and you wonder, why is there a mismatch there? Because 90 percent of our schools do not even teach this field. And of the tiny sliver that do study computer science, only 15 percent are girls, and less than eight percent are Hispanic Americans and African Americans. It is a huge problem for our country, and our policies don't support it. In 33 of 50 states, computer science doesn't even count towards high school STEM requirements, and of the billions of dollars of federal money that you all mentioned being spent on STEM, almost none of it goes to computer science because of regulatory barriers we want to have you guys help remove from the system. People often ask me, can our students learn this, can our teachers teach it, why are we not focusing just on basic math, which we are already failing at, and we proved last month that our students can learn it. We ran a campaign called the Hour of Code. It was kicked off by the President, the House Majority Leader, Senators and Newt Gingrich in partnership with 100 companies--Google, Microsoft, Apple--the government, the College Board and many others. We had 20 million students participate with 17 million in the United States. One out of every four students in U.S. schools learned an hour of code and half of them were girls. It is an amazing accomplishment. To put this into context, the College Board AP Computer Science Exam has 32,000 students participating; the College Board AP Calculus Exam, 300,000; all of U.S. FIRST clubs, 350,000 students; the math SAT, 1.7 million. The Hour of Code had 17 million participants, and it goes to show that our kids can learn this. So we have proven that America wants this, our students want it, our parents want it, and I am not talking about Code, I am talking about computer science. The question for you is, how do you answer the parent who asks, why isn't this foundational field being taught in my children's schools and how can the U.S. government remove the barriers that get in the way right now. I have a very short video to show, 30 seconds of a girl who came back, one of the 17 million students in America who came back to her mom or dad after learning one hour of code. [Video shown.] Every kid in America can learn computer science. Ninety percent of our schools don't teach it. We can help fix this. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mr. Partovi follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. I now recognize Dr. Jona for five minutes for his testimony. TESTIMONY OF DR. KEMI JONA, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF STEM EDUCATION PARTNERSHIPS, RESEARCH PROFESSOR, LEARNING SCIENCES AND COMPUTER SCIENCES, NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY Dr. Jona. Well, good morning, Members of the Committee. I would like to thank Ranking Members Lipinski and Johnson and Chairmen Bucshon and Smith for inviting me to testify today. The mission of my office is to connect K-12 teachers and students to the world-class STEM resources of Northwestern University and beyond. To date, we work with a growing network of over 200 Chicago-area schools, over 600 teachers who reach approximately 48,000 students, and since I am sitting next to Hadi, I am proud to announce that next week Chicago Public Schools is launching Code.org's computer science curriculum for all of its high schools, so we are really pleased to be part of that. My testimony today focuses on three models that we have found successful in engaging industry partners in STEM initiatives. All three examples illustrate the importance of building in both scalability and sustainability, and all three have leveraged private sector support to expand and sustain federal investments. We are fortunate to work with many industry partners including Boeing, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Motorola and Siemens. The first example that I would like to share today is our work with Baxter International, a global health care company located outside of Chicago. Their generous support has created a Biotechnology Center of Excellence at Lindblom Math and Science Academy, which is a grade 7-12 public school located on the southwest side of Chicago that serves a predominantly minority and low-income student population. This Center of Excellence provides teachers with professional development, lab equipment and other resources focused on the important field of biotechnology. These are provided not just to Lindblom teachers but to teachers from across the district. In the last few years, we have trained 168 teachers from 115 different schools reaching over 20,000 students. This Center of Excellence model is building self-sustaining capacity in the Chicago Public Schools to improve the teaching of biotechnology across the entire district. One of the curriculum offerings available to teachers is an innovative set of high school biology labs we developed in partnership with my colleague, Dr. Teresa Woodruff in our medical school. These labs are based on Dr. Woodruff's NIH- funded research in oncofertility. The Center of Excellence model demonstrates the power of partnerships between the private sector, universities and public schools. The federal NIH dollars invested continue to pay dividends as hundreds of teachers and thousands of students each year benefit through the ongoing support provided by Baxter. A second example I would like to share with you today is called Illinois Pathways. Illinois Pathways is a State of Illinois-led STEM education initiative that has created new public-private partnerships known as STEM learning exchanges. Each of the nine exchanges coordinates investments, resources and planning in STEM industry sectors like information technology, manufacturing, energy and research and development. This effort launched with $2.3 million in Federal Race to the Top money and which was then leveraged to $8.5 million in public and private matching funds. The Illinois Business Roundtable, an organization made up of CEOs and other industry leaders, has been a key driver of this initiative in our state. Northwestern is a proud member of the Research and Development Learning Exchange. One of our signature projects is a mentor matching engine. This online resource pairs students with private industry mentors to conduct independent research in STEM fields. You can think of it as sort of like a Match.com for student researchers. By conducting mentors and students online, this Web site helps to level the playing field by facilitating access to mentors for students all across the State, especially in our rural and urban areas. The STEM exchanges have been instrumental in organizing previously uncoordinated private sector, university and school participation in STEM, and they serve as statewide distribution platforms for STEM education resources. The third and final example I would like to share is our out-of-school program called FUSE. It is a project funded by the MacArthur Foundation and the National Science Foundation as well as companies including Motorola Mobility, Siemens and IBM. The goal of FUSE is to engage youth, especially those from underrepresented groups, in STEAM topics--and we add the arts and design to STEM--while fostering the development of important 21st century skills like creative problem solving, persistence and grit. Challenges are the core activity of FUSE studies, and I would like to play a short clip now that illustrates some of the fun and engaging challenges that we have developed with our private sector partners. [Video shown.] So FUSE currently has 20 challenge sequences in areas such as robotics, electronics, solar energy, jewelry design, and 3D printing. Some of the ones that are on the video exemplify this. The jewelry designer challenge is in particular very popular with girls, and it uses all of the same design and 3D printing skills that you need for advanced manufacturing and other skills. So FUSE is yet another example of a platform that can be scaled up to engage large numbers of youth in STEM or STEAM fields. For our industry partners, the modular challenge format that you see here and a focus on out-of-school-time learning is often more appealing than in-school curriculum development that can be very slow and bureaucratic. FUSE provides a dissemination network as new challenges are offered to youth at our growing network of 17 sites around the Chicago metro area. So to wrap up, my key message today is that what has been missing from the recent discussions of federal STEM policy is a recognition of the importance of creating robust dissemination mechanisms, mechanisms that support the scalability and sustainability of high-quality STEM education programs developed with either federal or private sector support. To really engage students with high-quality STEM education, we need the leadership and support of both the federal government and the private sector to create distribution platforms like the iTunes App Store or the Android Play Store for our smartphones to create the similar kinds of distribution platforms for STEM education resources like the examples I highlighted today. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Dr. Jona follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize Dr. Cornwell for five minutes for his testimony. TESTIMONY OF DR. PHILLIP CORNWELL, VICE PRESIDENT FOR ACADEMIC AFFAIRS, PROFESSOR OF MECHANICAL ENGINEERING, ROSE-HULMAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY Dr. Cornwell. Chairman Bucshon, Chairman Smith, Ranking Members Lipinski and Johnson, thank you so much for inviting me to be here today. As you were told, my name is Phil Cornwell. I am Vice President for Academic Affairs and a Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology. Rose-Hulman is a university focused entirely on math, science and engineering education. For the last 15 years, U.S. News and World Reports has ranked us as number one in our category, which is basically engineering programs at schools that don't offer a Ph.D. We have about 2,200 students, which makes us a small school but a midsized college of engineering. Our placement rate last year was about 99 percent and is always 99 percent. Our average starting salary is about $67,000. The mission of Rose-Hulman is to provide our students with the world's best undergraduate science, engineering and mathematics education in an environment of individual attention and support. What that means is that we hire faculty members who have a passion for their technical field but also a passion for students in undergraduate education. Our goal is to graduate technically outstanding, well-rounded, liberally educated STEM professionals; and even though our primary focus is undergraduates, we do have a number of outreach activities I wanted to share with you. One of our most successful is called Operation Catapult, which is a three-week summer program. Students come to campus, they live on campus, and they participate in lots of activities; but most important, they work on a technical project that has a faculty member as the mentor. About 30 percent of the students that attend Catapult end up coming to Rose-Hulman. The other 70 percent study STEM at other universities. So, it is a great way of solidifying their interest in STEM. We also have a program called Homework Hotline, which has been around since 1991. That is a math and science tutoring program for students in grades 6 through 12. If a student has problems with math and science homework and they can't get help at home, they can call Rose-Hulman where Rose-Hulman students are available as tutors to help the students not just get the answer, but understand the material. We also do a lot with industry, and I will just mention one unique program that is called Rose-Hulman Ventures. Rose-Hulman Ventures is basically an engineering consulting business that operates on the Rose-Hulman campus. Students that work with Rose-Hulman Ventures are student interns that work under the supervision of a professional project manager with client companies on projects that are important to the company. It could be working on a coding project, it could be developing a prototype, it could be developing a product. It is just something that is important to the client, and the clients typically pay time and materials. Companies range from small startups like Fast BioMedical or NICO to large companies like Alcoa, Cummins or Dow Agro. One of the reasons for this Committee hearing, I believe, is the recognition that we need more STEM professionals in the United States; and for me, there are two key things that we need to accomplish that. One is to increase the pipeline and increase the number of students interested in STEM, which is largely what we are talking about today; but, secondly, we also need to, once those students enter college, graduate more of them and help them be successful. As far as the pipeline, I think programs like FIRST Robotics, curriculum like Project Lead the Way, and many other programs do a fantastic job of energizing students and helping students see engineering or computer science as a possible career option, which I think is absolutely critical. But I also think it is equally important to strengthen our math, science and, I would add, computer science curriculum in the high schools, so when they get to college, they are prepared to be successful in the very rigorous curricula that are required for all of those majors. As far as retention and graduation rates, if we forget the pipeline issue and look at the students that currently enter college with an interest in studying engineering, which is my area of expertise--less than 50 percent graduate. At Rose- Hulman, it is 80 percent. It varies widely from school to school. But if we could increase that number by just ten percent, if I did my calculations correctly, that means within six years we could graduate 100,000 additional engineers without doing anything to the pipeline. We are just helping more of our students graduate. How do we do that? There is actually a lot of research on the topic. Some things that I think are important include an early connection of students to the discipline; and, again, FIRST Robotics does a great job of that. Most freshman design programs do that. It is very frustrating to have a really smart student drop out of engineering and they say ``well, it is because I don't like engineering,'' but as a freshman, they have never had any engineering. It just drives you crazy. Secondly, I do think having faculty members whose first priority is teaching and working with students and helping them be successful is important in terms of persistence and graduation rate. I can share some stories about that if you are interested. I also think undergraduate research and internships are important for retention and graduation rates. So what can the federal government do? Certainly, continue to support undergraduate research--I think that is critical. Perhaps incentivize companies to offer early internships. Most companies offer internships for juniors and possibly sophomores because they consider that a critical part of their recruitment, but it is much harder for students to get a meaningful internship as freshmen. You could also incentivize students who study STEM through perhaps lower interest rates for student loans or perhaps loan forgiveness. There are lots of ways to possibly incentivize this. I tell prospective students at Rose-Hulman all the time that a STEM education is great no matter what they want to do. If they want to go to industry, if they want to go to graduate school, if they want to go to medical school or business school, if they want to become a politician, engineering STEM is great; and I applaud this Committee for taking the leadership role in promoting STEM research as well as STEM education. So again, thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to testify. [The prepared statement of Dr. Cornwell follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. You are welcome, and I would like to thank all the witnesses for their testimony, and I will remind the Members of the Committee that the rules limit questioning to five minutes. The Chair at this point will open the round of questions, so I recognize myself for five minutes. As a cosponsor of the Computer Science Education Act, I share many of the concerns that you do, and I am quite pleased that my home State of Indiana is one that allows a rigorous computer science course to satisfy core high school graduation credit, particularly since according to the Conference Board, there are 4,864 open computing jobs in Indiana right now. That is changing by the minute, I am assuming. According to your analytics, 264,000 Indiana students did the Hour of Code in December 2013. Mr. Partovi, what do you see as the next steps for those students if they want to pursue studying computer science? Mr. Partovi. Thank you very much for that question. We were astonished to find 17 million students in this country do the Hour of Code, and we were actually prepared to offer more than one hour in terms of instruction. The one hour was enough to demystify the field for teachers, parents, students to all realize that computer science is something that anybody can learn, but we also had a follow-on curriculum that any student could learn online or any teacher could teach online. We are already within one month at the point that over 10,000 classrooms are teaching a full computer science class to almost 500,000 students. To put this into context, in October-- at any point in history there has been at most 10,000 classrooms in the country teaching computer science. In one month, we have doubled it. In terms of the number of students studying it, we have almost tripled or quadrupled it within one month because of the follow-on from the Hour of Code. It shows this is an incredibly popular topic with students, parents and teachers, and our only ask, and not for Code.org but for the field of computer science is like you have sponsored in the CSEA to remove the federal government barriers that prevent this field from spreading to our public schools. Thank you very much. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. Mr. Kamen, what differentiates your program and their offerings from other private sector STEM initiatives because you have been very successful, and why do you think it has been successful and what principles and techniques do you use in your programs that would you suggest to apply to the Federal STEM education programs? Mr. Kamen. I think the primary reason we have been successful, we are different, is our premise right up front was, 25 years ago, the world of parents and politicians and government leaders and corporate leaders was, we have an education crisis. My mother is a teacher, and she reminds me of that every day. We have a lot of great teachers. I am an inventor. What do inventors do? We look at the same problems everybody else looks at and see them differently. And I said, you know, my mom is probably right, she always is. We don't have an education crisis; we have a culture crisis. You get the best of what you celebrate in this country, and she pointed out, it is not what we don't have enough of--dedicated teachers, surgeons that are willing to commit themselves to public service. America is built on people that get together and solve a problem. Our problem is, we have such a passion in our culture because we have become rich, that we can spend time on leisure, and we have made superheroes from two places, Hollywood and sports, and particularly for women and minorities, they are sucked into spending their time until they are 18 or 19 developing skill sets that aren't likely to lead to great jobs. So I said let us get those industries that need these people, let us get these world-class tech companies together, let us them create superheroes, let us use the model that works, sports and entertainment, and let us let the private sector solve the cultural problem. You get the best of what you celebrate. Let us start celebrating science and technology. Chairman Smith said it was a festive atmosphere in here. I would encourage everybody here to see, because you can't believe it when I say it. We started with one event at the end of our season in 1991 in a high school gym in Manchester, New Hampshire. We had 23 teams. They came to the one event and it was over. With 55 percent compound annual growth for 25 years, now we have 29,000 schools around the world, and our March madness starts the first weekend in March. We have more than 60 cities around the United States holding spectacularly large events throughout March. There is one near every one of you. Every one of you has a school in your district that is involved with FIRST. Since we get the best of what we celebrate, it wouldn't be hard to invite you to the Final Four or the Super Bowl. You would go. You would find the time. I would ask two things. You each need to go to one of the events in your state and support these kids. First of all, it is a lot of fun. Bring your own kids and grandkids. Second of all, you will see what happens when kids develop self- confidence and become aware that they can do the kinds of things that will lead to great careers, and I will also invite you to our championship on April 25th and 26th under the Arch in St. Louis. We will fill a 76,000-seat arena. We succeed because we have got industry behind us. They in their own self-interest want these kids to become world-class scientists and engineers and inventors. That is what they need. That is what this country needs. We have succeeded because it is the private sector. I was told 25 years ago you will never pull this off because you are going to run out of giant companies that can support all the schools, and I thought that was my biggest problem. These companies just keep delivering. They are mentors. They are scientists. They are engineers. The staggering thing to me is, the school side. All they need to do is give that math teacher or science teacher the same stipend to be the coach of the team as you give the football coach for that extra effort after school, and believe it or not, the schools have 100-year history of figuring out how to fund those other programs. That relatively small commitment, the appropriate public side commitment to make sure particularly the underserved schools can take advantage of FIRST is what you guys need to do, and then we will be in every school in this country. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize the Ranking Member, Mr. Lipinski, five minutes. Mr. Lipinski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank all the witnesses for their testimony. It is exciting to hear a lot of these things that are going on. I know that more needs to be done. I want to ask Dr. Jona a little bit about what you have done at Northwestern. It is very impressive what you have done from what you have shown us here, what you have in your written testimony. I want to ask, because we always face, especially with this issue, we have people come and talk about great things that they are doing and it is always, okay, how do we expand this, how do we replicate it, especially what you have done at Northwestern in the Chicago area, is how do we replicate it. So what were some of the challenges that you faced in establishing and growing the Office of STEM Education Partnerships and what lessons can be taken by other institutions who want to establish something similar? Dr. Jona. Thank you for that question. The work that we do with our faculty and would be similarly done at other institutions is largely funded by NSF's broader impact requirement, and while this is an incredibly helpful requirement and stream of funding, there really is never enough of those funds to go around. We are sort of living on the margins, if you will. And what I guess I would like to see is NIH and perhaps other STEM mission agencies adopting similar requirements or similar funding streams to broaden out that pool. My written testimony includes a number of recommendations for strengthening and expanding NSF's broader impact work, but I would say that a key--that is a key source for other new offices like mine to get up and running and off the ground. Mr. Lipinski. Are there any other things the federal government can do? Obviously Northwestern is in a unique position. It is in a large urban area. It is a private university. Are there things that maybe the federal government could do to help or any suggestions you would have other schools that might be looking at doing this and may not be in the position Northwestern is in? Dr. Jona. Yeah, I feel very strongly that the federal government could play an important role in providing seed funding, for example, for offices like mine, especially at smaller institutions or rural institutions to help them kind of get jump-started and off the ground. Another important role would be to support a national network of these offices so that we could begin to support each other and share the best practices that we have developed over time with these smaller and newer offices. In addition, this network could then serve as sort of a national distribution network for facilitating the broader dissemination of federally funded STEM resources that are developed at any of our institutions. Mr. Lipinski. Thank you. I have so many other questions that I can ask. Let me go to this. I know, Mr. Partovi, the Chairman had asked some questions, talked to you about what you had done with the Hour of Code. I know there are about 830,000 students in the State of Illinois who took part in the Hour of Code. What you put up there is very stark how many jobs there will be and how few students will be coming out of college for those jobs. Is this something that is--how do we make that better understood? It seems like at least when I was in college, maybe because I was an engineer, I was always looking, okay, where are the jobs supposed to be in maybe directing, giving us a sense of where to go. Why is that not happening? Is it because of the lack of background and students just saying I can't-- that is not something I can do or not something I am interested in? Why do you think it is that there isn't a response to this job demand that we know is out there and will continue to be out there? Mr. Partovi. Thank you very much. This is a great question. In fact, one thing I have trouble getting people to realize is that, you know, there is a common thread that there is a crisis of not having enough STEM professionals in the country. If you look at the actual data, most STEM fields have too many graduates, whether--there are more math graduates than math jobs, there are actually more engineering graduates than engineering jobs, more life sciences graduates than life sciences jobs, and then way more computer science jobs than computer science graduates, and if you look at student decisions, by the time they get to college, many students have decided their passion, and if they are in one of the 90 percent of schools that doesn't even teach computer science, they never have any background to think I could do this. So the way to solve the problem isn't just building awareness. They know that oh, if I could be the next Mark Zuckerberg, that is an amazing future. That already is the new American dream. The problem is, they think I can't do it because high school never exposed them to it. Mr. Lipinski. Okay. I see my time is up, so I thank everyone for their testimony. Chairman Bucshon. I now recognize Chairman Smith for five minutes. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have gotten a lot of good advice today that I think we ought to take to heart. Dr. Cornwell mentioned the corporate component, the need to strengthen our curriculum and increase the percentage of majors in engineering and I assume other STEM subjects as well. Dr. Jona talked about supporting our STEM students outside the classroom. Mr. Partovi mentioned the barrier that we face with some regulations, and I want to come back to that in a minute, and the fact that a lot of schools don't even teach computer science and the big gap between what is taught and what is needed in the STEM-type jobs, and Mr. Kamen has talked about encouraging STEM students through robotics. And Mr. Kamen, let me direct my first question to you. You mentioned at the very last part of your testimony, part of this came from your mother, who is a teacher, the need to change our culture and celebrate some of these subjects. Let me ask you to expound a little bit on that as to how we might do that in a practical way. Mr. Kamen. As I said, one of the things that makes America great and we all brag about it is, it is the land of opportunity, but if you are not searching for the right opportunity, you are not going to find it, and we have celebrated almost to obsession the kinds of activities, particularly for kids that don't have professional parents and people around them, so that they not only aren't aware of or don't have access to learning computer science but I am afraid that many of them, the women and the minorities, if they did have access wouldn't do it. They are convinced at a very young age it is too difficult, it is too hard, it is not for them. They want to go and become good at things for which we all know realistically they are no jobs. So we said we are going to convince kids through celebrating science and technology all kids will realize they can do this, and as I said before, we succeeded, and I really encourage you all to go to one of our events and celebrate with these kids. We have 89.6 percent of the kids that have come through our program either go on to college to study some technology or go directly into fields to learn technology and get great jobs. The frustration to us is industry, everybody is behind it but the school systems, as you know, are a little bit--they lack the resources. Chairman Smith. Right. Let me follow up on that in a minute. Just a minute. Thank you, Mr. Kamen. Mr. Partovi, I think you mentioned a few minutes ago about the regulatory burdens. I checked, and I think I know the problem, and that is that in the definition of core academic subjects, there is no mention of computer science. Clearly, that definition of core academic subjects is out of date. A bill has been introduced by a colleague of ours, Susan Brooks, to change that definition, and in fact, that bill has been cosponsored by our Chairman, by Mr. Lipinski, Ms. Esty and I think derek Kilmer as well. I certainly will be adding my name but if Members of the Committee want to know what they can do about it to, to bring a greater focus on computer science and to make sure it is part of the core curriculum, one answer is to support that particular piece of legislation. So thank you for calling that to our attention. Let me ask all the panelists, a couple of you all have taught for many years. We all know what we need to teach. What should we be doing differently as to how we teach these subjects? And maybe start with Dr. Cornwell and work back down the panelists. Dr. Cornwell. Well, for me, one of the keys to teaching engineering and computer science is engagement in the material. So one---- Chairman Smith. And I will have to ask you all, because of limited time, maybe 30 seconds---- Dr. Cornwell. Right. So what I see exciting in terms of pedagogy and education is flipped classrooms. If there is a passive portion of a class where I am just lecturing and students are listening, that is a waste of time, put that online and then redesign the in-class portion to be much more active, much more engaging, and much more project-based. That has worked fantastic in courses like mechatronics and design courses; but engaging students in the material is really critical, even though you still need that lecture material; use effectively--effective use of technology and increased active engagement to me is a key. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Dr. Cornwell. Dr. Jona? Dr. Jona. I guess I would take a little bit of issue with Mr. Kamen's assertion that one of the big challenges is that STEM is too difficult. I actually think that the problem is that it is too risky for kids to do in school. If you took his exact program and tried to put it in school, kids would be failing all the time because the only way to succeed is to try and learn from your mistakes, but that is not an environment in school where assessment is so predominant now. So kids are more worried about their GPA than about taking risks and trying hard things and so a lot of them tend to shy away from the STEM fields for that very reason. Chairman Smith. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Partovi? Mr. Partovi. I have a really quick answer, which is making it more fun, and we actually built tutorials. You saw that little girl's reaction. Our tutorials feature Angry Birds, lectures by Mark Zuckerberg or Chris Bosh and literally feel like a game. The kids don't even know that they are learning. They feel like they are playing when they use these tutorials. Chairman Smith. Okay. Thank you. And Mr. Kamen? Mr. Kamen. I entirely agree. You have to make it fun. You have to make it rewarding. You have to show them superstars that they can aspire to be like because that is what drives kids to put passion into things in this country, and we have got to get kids passionate about science and technology and make them believe it is available, it is accessible, it is fun, it is rewarding and it is a great career. Mr. Smith. Okay. Great. I might add one other idea that is not original. I heard it yesterday from the CEO of a tech company but it might address some of the concerns about the subjects being either too difficult or not interesting enough or whatever, and that is, allow students to basically progress at their own pace so they are not keeping up with the class, they are not discouraged from taking those subjects, so that might be another consideration as well. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yield back. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Kilmer, five minutes. Mr. Kilmer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you all for being here. I think this is a very important conversation. I have got 24,002 reasons to care about this, 24,000 open computing jobs in Washington State right now, and two little Kilmer girls. I have got a 4-year-old named Tess and a 7-year-old named Sophie, and Sophie's newest passion is the codable and hopscotch apps on the iPad, which teach coding concepts, and she totally geeks out on it. Let me start on the 24,000. I just invite you, and maybe I will start with Mr. Partovi and invite others to chime in. Be more directive to us. I mean, outside of CSEA, and Dr. Jona, you mentioned the potential of trying to have the government promote distribution platforms for some of these things. Are there other things that Congress ought to do to step up not just to fill the 24,000 jobs in my state but to ensure that we have a workforce for the next generation? Mr. Partovi. Sure, absolutely. You know, I looked at this. The core issue in computer science which is driving these jobs is the high school pipeline, and the reason the CSEA bill is-- you know, it is a no-brainer. It only removes barriers, doesn't increase funding. It does what constitutionally the federal government should be doing, which is giving more control to the states, but if you want to go beyond that, I wouldn't say to increase funding but look at the existing $3 billion in STEM funding or the existing $1.5 billion in K-12 STEM funding, how much of that is going to computer science? I would say today almost none of it because in a high school when they get STEM funding, STEM means biology, chemistry, physics, environmental sciences and calculus, and I have nothing against those things but they don't even think of computer science as a STEM topic. We all think of STEM as robotics, engineering, computer science, coding. That is not what our schools think, so the STEM funding you are providing, billions of it, goes where the jobs aren't actually. Mr. Kilmer. I would invite others to chime in if there are other suggestions for Congress. Mr. Kamen. I will give you a suggestion. I know that the two sides of Congress seem to be polarized on a lot of issues. I can tell you from my day job, I have 500 engineers who work on a lot of projects for a lot of big companies, most of which heard about our members of FIRST as well. But in my day job, I now have 30 openings. We have been hiring as fast as we can. We can't find tech people just like the rest of these people. I have people here on H-1B visas. It costs me a lot of time and a lot of money to acquire these people and to get them in. We are happy to pay the money because they are so valuable, but of course, I would rather give the jobs to homegrown people. We know that you have a bill going through that is going to increase the H-1B fees to tech companies. You know, what would make that a lot easier for these tech companies to swallow is to know that some of that money is being used to solve their long-term problem. If you could say whichever said, hey, it is not even a new tax, it is not even new money, take that H-1B fee money, put some of it aside to solve the problem so that down the road we don't have to keep doing it this way, and I would suggest that if you could take some of that money and make it available to these schools so that they can internally leverage all the things you have just heard about, the amount of time and money it would take to internally build a robotics program to bring in world-class scientists and engineers to be in classrooms, you can't do it, you don't need to do it. They are there. They are free. Let the schools leverage these programs by just giving them the stipend for the coach, the ability to pay the fee to get to the event and figure out how to focus that money on the schools that need it most and that way you are solving multiple problems. I hope you get consensus. I know industry would be way more supportive of paying higher H-1B visa fees if they thought it is solving their problem. Mr. Kilmer. Thank you. With the minute I have left, let me ask--let me focus on the two, and that is, Mr. Partovi, you mentioned the failure to see adequate representation of women and minorities in the STEM fields. Again, how do you think the federal government is doing in terms of some of its programs to broaden diversity in the STEM fields and can you give direction whether it be through NSF programs or others to what we ought to do to raise our game? Mr. Partovi. Sure. First of all, what I showed was not about STEM, it was just about computer science, because that is my focus. The two issues are slightly different. The female participation is a cultural one, girls being--just the culture all around them making them think this is not for me, whereas the African American and the Hispanic American issue is much more just availability. There is equal or even greater interest level among African Americans or Hispanic Americans in computer science but the schools don't teach it, and that is the bigger problem that I would suggest that you guys focus on. The cultural issue, I think efforts like FIRST and efforts like Code.org will actually change the culture. The fact that we got 10 million girls learning an hour of code last month, that is going to start to have a trickle effect, and we are going to do that year after year. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize Mr. Massie, five minutes. Mr. Massie. Mr. Kamen, that idea of taking the H-1B visa fees and using it solve our problems makes way too much common sense for Washington, D.C. I love that idea. As a participant when I was in grade school and high school of science fairs, I was always frustrated that the science fairs wanted a hypothesis, and there was just one iteration of the scientific process. So what really encourages me about what you have done with the FIRST program is to teach failure, that it is okay, in fact, you are going to fail multiple times in an hour. Even if you write code, you run the code and it is going to fail and you find the bugs but the same thing mechanically, so I think that is great that it also teaches that failure is okay, and it motivates those classroom topics like trigonometry. We want those kids to care about trigonometry. Why would you care about it unless you could see where you could use it? But I want to ask you about something I know you are passionate about. You are trying to promote the superstars as engineers. I would think the equivalent of an Emmy or Grammy would be a patent. You know, kids in your programs I am sure would love someday to get a patent, because to use sort of an engineering analogy, you are trying to push a string uphill if you are trying to encourage these kids and the parents to get excited about a degree or an education in STEM unless there is something pulling the string, and what is pulling the string should be that incentive, that Emmy, that Grammy, that professional achievement. But isn't it a little counterproductive for Congress as we have recently done to advance this narrative of trolls, that if you invent something and then you go--and then a big company takes your idea and you try and live the American dream and use the justice system and get your rights asserted in court that you might be a big hairy troll? I would argue maybe we should talk about patent hobbits instead of patent trolls. They are a lot more cuddly. But I would like to hear your views on Congress's recent decision to change the patent system. Mr. Kamen. So sadly, that is a big topic and it is hard in a few seconds---- Mr. Massie. You can have the rest of my time. Mr. Kamen. I would violently agree with you that A, as an incentive and as a prize, as an Emmy, it has got to stay there. It has been very valuable. It is what has led the United States for the last couple hundred years to be clearly the global leader in innovation. It is not a coincidence that you name it, the Wright Brothers or Edison or the Google boys are here. It is not a coincidence. It is the lifeblood of America is innovation and the freedom to do it, and we had a patent system that supported it, and by the way, we have students that do have patents. It is fantastic. We have middle school students that have applied for patents through robotics and we are--we work with the Patent Office. We have had their director as a key person in our organization over the years. They come to our championship. But back to the current issue of patents, I think the intersection of bad actors, people that are being called trolls, they are conflating to the general public the bad actors with the incredible importance of the patent system, and I think mostly because of misguided understanding. You know, my guess is most people in Congress understand certain other kinds of intellectual property. Dollar bills are an intellectual property. You can't run your car on them. You can't buy--you can't eat them. You can buy food or fuel. A deed to your home is intellectual property. A credit card is intellectual property. We have a society that depends on them. We know that there is a lot of credit card fraud in this country but I haven't heard Congress say let us stop letting people use credit cards. I know that there are counterfeiters out there, there are bad actors, and we should go after them and put them in jail but I haven't heard anybody say let us close the Mint and the Treasury. But because of bad actors that have made, frankly, small levels of outrage and inconvenience to people, they have--because there isn't a broader understanding of the power and importance of patents for small companies to raise money, for companies to protect themselves internationally. I was at the CDS yesterday in Las Vegas watching all sorts of Chinese companies parade their little Segway copies around, and I am not sure what we can do about it anymore because the United States that used to be the pillar of we don't make compulsory licensing, it was the country that believed in, you can own private ideas and private property, suddenly even the debate about how we are so drastically undermining the importance and value of patents and being able to keep it is, I think, emboldening the rest of the world to do what they are doing and this country's major economic future is depending on intellectual property and innovation. This is the wrong time to be weakening it. Mr. Massie. My time is expired, but before we touch the patent system again, I would love to have you come back. Would you be willing to testify on that subject? Because I think it is important. Otherwise we are pushing the string uphill to get these kids to become inventors. Mr. Kamen. My whole company depends on the--I have 500 people. We don't make or sell a product. We work for these giant companies giving them better solutions for their next products. I would go anywhere to testify on this because my company's future and I think this country's future depends on a strong patent system, and calling this a reform is a euphemism. Mr. Massie. Thank you very much, Mr. Kamen. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize Ms. Esty for her questions. Ms. Esty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Ranking Member, and thank all of you for joining us here today. As a parent of a child who did FIRST, I went to those competitions well before being in Congress and I had a chance to go back last year, and I would recommend it to all my colleagues. It is very exciting and it really gets you--gets your juices flowing about what is possible, and for those who haven't done it, I would also say bring an astronaut to your schools, which I did in December, and I took them into a pilot program in one of my underserved communities into a middle school where half the students were girls, and it was incredibly exciting. These astronauts were treated like rock stars, and they told stories, and NASA is very good at this, and I would--this is the sort of thing we can do because I really want to drill down a little bit of what more we can do about the specifics for the underrepresented. If you look in a state like mine like Connecticut, I had a caller this week from Newtown, Connecticut. He is looking for five programmers right now and he can't find them, and we have students who are graduating and are going to graduate with huge amounts of debt and they won't have jobs and they will be baristas. So we really have to think about what we can do and how far back do we need to go. Certainly, we need to do it in high schools and we need to have those computer science programs, but should we be looking even further back? Should we be looking at elementary schools? What are we doing in elementary schools? I have got bills out there to try to support teaching in elementary schools because I do think that idea, I am not competent at this, I am not good at that, often starts because I have seen it with my kids. I saw it in classrooms, and disproportionately, I have to say, minority students and girls were led to believe they weren't good at these fields. So I would like you to think about that, and think about the role that competition plays, interactive actions where you fail, you try again, you fail, you try again, but you keep doing it because it is like Angry Birds and it is not like a test. So whoever wants to chime in on driving it even before high school the use competition and, again, what constructively the federal government's role be in that? Mr. Partovi. Thank you very much. Well, I talked about the Hour of Code, how we got 17 million kids to do that. There are not 17 million high school kids in this country, so a huge number of those, millions, literally, were in elementary school and middle school, and we showed them that you don't even need to be 13 or 14. There is eight-year-olds, nine-year-olds doing the Hour of Code. In terms of diversity standpoint, we had more girls try computer science and coding in U.S. schools in December than all kids in the history of the United States. We have very much flipped this idea that I can't do it completely on its head, and if we just continue to do that, people--as long as they make it fun, which computer programming is, we can show kids that they can do it. The biggest issue I believe actually is not the cultural one. I think the biggest issue is the access and especially among the underrepresented minorities, the fact that computer science, the schools that do teach it are suburban schools. They are not urban schools, they are not rural schools, so the underprivileged kids don't even have access. Ms. Esty. Mr. Kamen? Mr. Kamen. So again, we are in violent agreement that you have got to get their attitudes adjusted at a much earlier age. Otherwise they can't get on the train. It is moving too fast when they get to high school, and again, our sports model has been incredibly effective. We started it in high school but the proof that it works and it is a ground-up effort is the popular demand was, we need to have the equivalent of Little League because there is a World Series, there is college and then there is high school and junior varsity. Within five years of starting FIRST, which is now 20 years ago, there was such demand among the parents, ``What am I going to do for the younger brothers and sisters that come and watch this thing.'' So we didn't form a Little League, we formed Lego League, and the Lego company has a huge operation in Connecticut. The Chairman of Lego flew over from Bilund, saw what we were doing and said I will give you your Little League. We now have tens of thousands of teams, and we not only have Little League now, to your point, we have junior FIRST Lego League for the kindergarten on up, and it is a continuum now driven by the demand created by the superstar mentality of this whole thing. And one more comment about NASA. You talked about bringing astronauts. Just so that you all know, NASA--yes, I have Boeing with hundreds of teams and every aerospace giant and every pharmaceutical giant and every semiconductor industry company, they are all there, hundreds and hundreds of them, but the largest single source of teams for FIRST is NASA because all their facilities around the country supply mentors, they supply grants to underserved schools. Their Administrator, Charlie Bolden, came and was our guest speaker at our championship, and the kids love NASA and space and technology. They love it all if you don't make it intimidating. So NASA has been a great partner. If you could find a way to get other government agencies that have technology people to get involved, it would be great. Ms. Esty. Thank you very much, and I am out of time. Thanks. Chairman Bucshon. All right. Thank you. I recognize Mr. Schweikert. Mr. Schweikert. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and forgive the buzzers. It is just one of those things that goes on around here. And forgive me if I am--Mr. Partovi? You just said you don't believe it is cultural, but Mr. Kamen about 20 minutes ago said it was, so I want to see the two of you debate each other. Sorry. Some of us have sort of perverse senses of entertainment. But I really would like to back up a theme that both the right and the left here have touched on and then backed away from. Is there something cultural in our sense of expectation? We all--let us face it, most of us in this room, particularly those with gray hair, think back to when we took our calc and trig and those things and it hurt. It was painful. Now, when I couldn't do the homework, I didn't want to go to school the next day because there was always that freaky smart kid that made fun of us. Sorry for anyone in the room, MIT with a bunch of patents. And yet I am told today that the United States, the only thing we score the top of the world in is self-esteem. Have we done something perverse to our next generation and the generation after that culturally and saying it is not always warm, fuzzy and teddy bears and puppies. It is hard--it is hard work. It is going to be painful, and guess what? That is how you get there. And that is why I am looking for consistency in thought where someone says it is cultural, it is built into our expectations of each other and avoidance of pain, and it isn't. What is it? Mr. Partovi. I would like to clarify what I said. I actually completely agree with you. The country has a cultural sort of impediment. People don't think I should work hard and get an A plus, it is geeky to be an A student, you would rather make it onto the football field than be the kid with lots of books and you know, the smartest kid in the room. What I was trying to say is that with computer science, there has been an additional cultural impediment of just oh, my God, it is all ones and zeros, I will never, ever be able to touch that thing, and people place in their minds computer science and programming as this thing that is harder than trigonometry, harder than calculus, way out there, and what I think we can easily prove when you see that 8-year-olds can do it, and not just one 8-year-old but millions of 8-year-olds, at least that one piece, which is disconnected from reality, gets more grounded. But we still need to have a culture that celebrates the successes, treats, I guess, engineers and scientists as rock stars and teaches Americans that you have to get A's to be cool. Mr. Schweikert. Well, speaking of rock stars, the gentleman to your right, I mean, Mr. Kamen, you're touching and working with a lot of these young people. It is my vision of sort of cynicism that our avoidance of what is difficult, our constant concern about people's self-esteem is an impediment to the understanding of this is reality. Reality sometimes is hard. Mr. Kamen. So once again, I am in violent agreement with you including the guy next to me. Mr. Schweikert. Could we avoid the word ``violent''? Mr. Kamen. I am in substantial agreement with you, Congressman, and I would tell you, first of all, one of our taglines at FIRST is always, it is the hardest fun you will ever have, and we then go on to point out to these kids, you are going to fail, we have given you a job that you can't possibly do with the limited resources and limited time we have given you to have to work in complex groups, you are going to fail, but that is a microcosm of the real world for people that eventually succeed, and we literally then go on to tell them all that stuff as you pointed out, we say, you know, why do you learn trigonometry, why do you learn all these things, you have never had a place to use them. You are going to quickly find yourself trying to do something that without understanding arithmetic and algebra and trigonometry and some calculus, you are not going to have the tools to do well, so we make it relevant but we make it fun, and as another place I substantially agree with you, we allow them to fail, to learn from those failures, and we say to them, you know, in sports you go out and you started with tee ball, the ball didn't move but you had to see a path. And then we say to them, in sports, if you didn't get it, you have a chance tomorrow. You don't get a grade, you don't get a D, you get a coach that nurtures you, and we are going to put you in teams where you can be failing and failing and failing but learning and learning and learning. Mr. Schweikert. I was trying to go to something that is much more cultural, and I know, Mr. Chairman, we are up against time, and for Mr. Cornwell [inaudible]--down the food chain of education in our society, and so I know we are out of time, Mr. Chairman, but I don't know if we will get another round. Thank you for your patience. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize Dr. Bera. Mr. Bera. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, thank you, Ranking Member Lipinski, and thanks to the witnesses. Mr. Kamen, I enjoyed the video as well as the sports analogy. You know, as somebody who grew up with a pretty good outside jump shot, I think it became evident in about 8th grade that I wasn't going to be Jerry West or Wilt Chamberlain. Fortunately, though, in the public schools I went to, I had teachers that believed in me and pushed me and, you know, I excelled in science and the life sciences and went on to medical school and a doctor. But they were allowed to meet me where I was and they were allowed to push us and encourage us to imagine and dream and think, and as I toured--you know, being a professor at a medical school, associate dean of a medical school, I spent a lot of time looking at what we are doing in K-12 as well as undergrad and grad school, and much of what we are doing in the STEM fields is memorization and regurgitation, and we really need to expand and get back to imagination, you know, to encouraging folks to solve problems and teaching our kids at an early stage not just to memorize and regurgitate but to think. Coding allows you to do that, right? I mean, coding and, you know, the innovation labs. You know, in my district, Intel has a major presence and, you know, what they are doing. When I talk to the Project Lead the Way kids, they are allowing them to imagine. It doesn't have to cost a lot of money. It has to, you know, allow us to change a curriculum, though, that is very much testing-based. And it's not that easy to test computer science or test on a multiple choice test imagination. You know, I had wood shop, metal shop, auto shop, you know, and you had to do mathematics in a very different way in those, and you had to dream of a project, put it on paper and make it happen. You know, I am glad that Mr. Partovi is here. You know, last month I visited Toby Johnson Elementary School in my hometown of Bell Grove in my district and watched these kids, 7th and 8th graders, doing their Hour of Code using your curriculum. Again, not a lot of money, not a lot of investment, just a desire and a recognition that this was important. I guess my question to any of you on the panel is, how do we start changing the curriculum to allow that imagination curriculum, that innovation curriculum to take place at an earlier stage? Because we have got to do it in the elementary schools and, you know, we have got to push imaginations. Dr. Jona. Well, I think we have seen a number of questions around this theme. I think if the science and math classrooms in our country look like FIRST Robotics, we wouldn't have to have this conversation because we would see how much fun kids have. Unfortunately, if you look at most math and science classrooms, it is a very sort of punitive, assessment-driven, risk-averse environment for kids, and that is not an environment where science and engineering thinking, or even CS thinking, can really happen. And so, you know, it is very antithetical to the spirit of engineering, as we have heard Mr. Kamen say over and over, you have to try, you have to fail. But kids when they come home from school and, you know, my four kids are the same way, failure is a bad thing and failure is something that you avoid at all costs because once it hits your GPA, it is all over and then your, you know, college career is over and whatnot. So it is a systemic issue that, you know, has to do with the culture of assessment and sort of the punitive nature of school, and it turns a lot of kids off to harder subjects, quote, unquote, because they are afraid to try because it is hard and they are going to fail. Dr. Cornwell. May I make one other comment on that? I think it is critical to have teachers who are content experts who have the ability to let the class go in different directions. If the teacher doesn't feel comfortable with the material, they are probably going to be very rigid on how they do that. And the current pay structure doesn't allow necessarily for different pay for computer scientists who could, with a bachelor's degree, get a job for $100,000. Why would they go into teaching? It is a very challenging value proposition, but I think we need teachers who are content experts that can truly get students excited because teachers can have such an incredible impact on students. Mr. Kamen. And to be somewhat of an optimist here, I am not sure you have to change the whole curriculum, and that is sort of our point as to why FIRST works. Kids are not going to bounce the ball for three hours a day because you put it in the curriculum and tell them to do it. They will do it 45 minutes once a week and some--but they will go out after school and do it seven days a week because they are inspired to do it. We don't claim that the NBA is part of curriculum but we have a culture that says to these kids, ``do it.'' And as you pointed out, you can do it after school and fail a lot and fail a lot and get a few of those shots in and keep going because you didn't get a quiz; you didn't get a test. It is a perfect environment to encourage people to fail and get better. So using the same analogy, we say--and we have heard people up there say--kids don't want to learn trigonometry because it seems really hard and, more importantly, it has no value. In the curriculum, leave it alone. The schools will do a great job. That gym teacher will do a great job of teaching kids the basics. They will go out and become experts because of their passion. You still need those analytic skills. You need to learn arithmetic and geometry and trigonometry, but you are only going to really learn them well if you have some motivation to use them after school when you really develop the skills. So by that same now-tired sports analogy, I will tell you let the curriculum do what the curriculum is supposed to do: give them the basic tools, not by memory, but give them the basic tools. That is analysis. But synthesis is taking all those tools and doing things with it. Bouncing a ball is work. Playing basketball is fun. You do one because of the other. They don't have a ``because of the other.'' Particularly kids in underserved communities don't have a ``why am I doing this'' answer. If you let them have FIRST in and around their culture and their community, they are going to need to learn to code because their robot won't move without it. They are going to need to learn algebra or they can't figure out voltage and current. If we can meld the fact that schools ought to have a curriculum that is analysis-based, teach them everything that came before us, but then give them opportunity to use synthesis to create new imagination, all of that stuff should be working hand-in-hand, not one or the other. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much, Dr. Bera. I now recognize Mr. Collins. Mr. Collins. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank all of you. And I am intrigued with a couple of thoughts here, and I am going to maybe direct these more to Mr. Partovi and Mr. Kamen because it is obvious to me that both FIRST and Code.org are existing without federal funding. This is the private sector and entrepreneurs and those that really care about the future of our country doing what you are doing, and thank you for that. So my comment is, as a new Member of Congress, I came here with a core philosophy that big government generally doesn't have the answers. And in Congress, all too often, especially when you look at the debate on the right and the left, there are those who think government can solve all the problems. We are here in Congress--and some of the questions have been directed to you, what can we do in Congress? Part of my philosophy is nothing, that education starts with parents. And especially as we talk about feeding the pipeline, the K-12, parents care about their kids' future. It is the parents' job to make sure--go to the local school board. The local school board is hiring the teachers and setting a curriculum that works. And that school board answers to the taxpayers and ultimately you go to the state. Last, you go to the federal government. I don't think we should be involved in this education debate. What you are doing doesn't have any Federal involvement. I would say the answer is the parents motivating the school board. And I am someone that has lived this. My son went to a high school that did not have Regents Diplomas. As a result, they didn't teach to the test. And by not teaching to the test, they could exceed everything the public high school was doing. So when it came time to graduate, he is now an electrical engineering student at Villanova with a minor in mechatronics. He won the physics competition, he won the SumoBot competition and came in second in the Trebuchet pumpkin-throwing competition. It was all about fun--throwing pumpkins, SumoBots crashing together--but it didn't come from the federal government. I don't think it can come from the federal government. I think it comes from parents pushing a school board and perhaps at the state level. And I just would love to hear a few comments from Mr. Partovi and Mr. Kamen. This philosophy of mine is we are here asking. I don't think it is our job. Mr. Partovi. So I would agree with you in terms of the philosophy, and it is--you know, constitutionally I would say, you know, the federal government doesn't have that many strings it can pull to mandate things at schools or parents. But I have one thing I would suggest that I have a slight disagreement with my colleague in that computer science currently isn't even in the curriculum and---- Mr. Collins. Well, excuse me. What if we didn't have a core curriculum? Mr. Partovi. So that would be one way of achieving it, but the issue we have right now is that the federal government---- Mr. Collins. And I agree with you. Mr. Partovi. Yes. The federal government does decide--right now, it does specify in the ESEA this is the curriculum in a way that actually excludes computer science. Mr. Collins. Right. And that is why we shouldn't have it. Mr. Partovi. If you could abolish the ESEA you might get to a certain place, but whatever it takes to allow the schools--we have had one million parents petition via us. One million parents have signed a petition saying we want this in every school. They go to their school board and then their school board says, well, you know, we have this federal government funding that comes this way but it defines the curriculum this way. Mr. Collins. Unintended consequences. Mr. Partovi. Yes, but either way, we need to at least remove what I consider federal government barriers to schools actually responding to the parental pressure that they are receiving today. Mr. Collins. It is the least we could do. Mr. Kamen? Mr. Kamen. So I will say I don't think we are in disagreement. I believe that schools need to have way more access to computer technology in general, and kids through those schools need to get their earlier taste of it at a much lower age. So I think we are in agreement there. And I think he is in substantial agreement with you that creating systems-- government by definition is high inertia. It is big. It takes a long time to change. That is generally good because organized societies don't like chaos and they are afraid of change. So the things that you want to be big and stable, government is okay. Nothing is changing faster than the world of tech, and within the world of tech, nothing is changing faster than code. So they are not keeping up, to his point, and they should get out of the way of trying to mandate at the micro level for sure. I only have then two comments for you. One is I need your son's resume because we are desperate for more good mechatronics guys. Send him my way. He sounds like interesting young man. But I think another place where government should come in is to make sure there is a fair playing field. I mean that is what I think governments are really about. And these days, you can't expect a kid to compete in a fair way if he gets into--or out of high school or drops out of high school without certain kinds of skills. It is pretty clear your son was not at risk of not developing---- Mr. Collins. Right. Mr. Kamen. --those skills, but there are plenty of families in this country or communities in this country that don't have the resource or even awareness or good judgment to go demand changes---- Mr. Collins. Right. Mr. Kamen. --in schools, so there is some place for the government, which is, as I keep saying, don't run this program. We don't want you to run this program. The last thing we need is you to help us make FIRST part of curriculum. But make sure the schools that have that teacher or that principal that is ready to say we have got to leverage this incredible program-- -- Mr. Collins. Um-hum. Mr. Kamen. --make sure they are encouraged to do it and have the resources to do it. Mr. Collins. No, thank you. Just to add, you know, because you do brag about your kids, my son is going to do his junior year internship in Tel Aviv working for the Israeli Space Program. Mr. Kamen. And I will tell you I will be over in Tel Aviv on March 2 where we are having a massive FIRST event. It is their ten-year anniversary. Shimon Peres is presiding over it. FIRST has a higher percentage of the schools in Israel involved than we have in the United States. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize Ms. Kelly. Ms. Kelly. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, witnesses. As I have sat here, my questions have changed over and over and over listening to all of my colleagues, and I will admit that I fall right into that stereotype. I ran away from science and math, and it was scary to me. But I think you hit the nail on the head as far as access and opportunity. I represent the Chicagoland area starting, you know, if you know Chicago, 53rd by U of C going south, so most of my district is suburban and rural and they don't have the opportunities, they are shaky. In some of my area's school boards. We have worked to bring updated computers to the high schools and to the elementary schools so the kids even have, you know, something to work on. So that is where I see government being the safety net, and it is not fair and equal at all, not even in the Chicagoland area if you compare the south suburbs to the northern suburbs and-- because of how we fund schools and property taxes and on and on and on. And if we don't do something about that, I don't think we will ever be fair and equitable. We started--I came in in April, special election, a STEM council and a STEM academy, so I have tech people and different people around the table with community colleges to see what we could do as far as changing the curriculum and what jobs are out there and what training people need. And then I go to different areas in my district and actually expose the kids. I took them to the Museum of Science and Industry, had them meet different people, had people come to them, tech people come to them, but, you know, we service 750,000 people and it is--you know, so I go to one school, then another school, then another school, and what did the kids say? Are you coming back next Saturday? Or, can we do this? And, no, I can't. I have to keep, you know, taking turns. So we are trying to get our businesses involved in even adopting schools so they have some, you know, steadiness or some constant, you know, in their lives to keep them interested. And--so I say that. And also the other thing is, you know, I have a doctorate so I definitely believe in education, but many of my manufacturing companies and advanced manufacturing companies, they say part of the issue is we go to school and we major in psychology like I did and then we can't find a job, and they feel that if kids graduate with the tools they need and get two-year certifications, they can get really good jobs, too. And I just wanted to know how you felt about that. Dr. Cornwell. I would just say I strongly agree with you. Not everyone needs a college education. We hear the same thing in Indiana as far as advanced manufacturing. For students who get a great technical education, there are wonderful jobs. So, I don't think everyone needs to go to college. I do think college is more than just job training, however. It really is a life-growing experience, but I do think it also should end with a job and meaningful employment. But I agree with---- Ms. Kelly. And not $80,000 in loans you can't pay back. Dr. Cornwell. Well, that is right, or even $5,000 if it doesn't lead to a job. To me, our students at Rose-Hulman may have a higher debt, but they all get very good-paying jobs; so it is a good investment. Ms. Kelly. Um-hum. Mr. Kamen. They are all looking at me, but I think I am having a disproportionate time here. I would tell you that you say you, you know, ran away from it. Obviously, you have a Ph.D. You didn't run away from education. Ms. Kelly. Right. Mr. Kamen. I think, and I will just keep saying it, and it is not a disagreement, I think our culture certainly takes kids, particularly women and minorities and--at a very young age and puts in front of them people they can relate to from the world of sports and the world of entertainment. And the reason I think we agree is I think we have got to get to them very young and have them as passionate about developing skill sets that will lead to great jobs whether it is out of college or a tech job. But once you get them passionate, you have got to deliver the tools they need, and it isn't putting pins into frogs anymore. Everything he is saying is the skill sets--once we can turn them on to say I can do this stuff, whatever this tech stuff is, the tools you have got to give them have got to be 21st century tools to do the right stuff. And again, I will say it is not an either/or. The schools have to have curriculum. They have to have all the things that--you guys have to solve that problem of where the money comes from and where it goes and property taxes. But more than that, you could give the schools everything they want. And when I first started FIRST, I wanted our tagline to be, you know, ``you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.'' I wanted it to be ``you can lead a kid to knowledge but you can't make him think.'' And what I wanted to do was say get the schools as good as they can be, and that is your collective problem. I don't know how you do that. But it wouldn't matter if you had the best schools in the world if it is a 50 percent dropout rate because the kids would rather do something else. So let's get the schools to have the right tools and let's let the culture of America, the companies of America, the people that need these kids give them the right kind of inspiration to work hard at developing the muscle hanging between their ears. It is the only one that has unlimited potential. And the kids that need to know that most culturally are the kids you are talking about, and you should find ways to get the schools that you have been visiting to get some teacher to be a coach, to get on a team. We have the companies that will connect them. You need to get the superintendents to know that having afterschool passion-based activities that matter to the future of these kids and to this country are as important as the other activities, and that is an appropriate role of leadership. Ms. Kelly. Thank you. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. I now recognize Mr. Hultgren. Mr. Hultgren. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being here. This has been a very interesting, very helpful hearing. One of my biggest frustrations with this place, Congress, is the busyness of it, and here we are talking about what I think is one of the most important subjects we could possibly be talking about and there is just a lot of other things going on. You hear beeps and buzzes and things, and that references the other activities, votes, committees, whatever, that we are being called to. I am so frustrated by that. I wish we could have this hearing in front of the entire Science Committee but also in front of the entire Congress. I think it is so important. If you talk to Members of Congress, every single one would say one of our top priorities has to be STEM education, that if we are going to be an innovative nation, we have got to be a nation that is committed to STEM education. But how do we make that happen? And I think that is where we struggle. You hear it up here is what is our role? And finding that right balance of what is the best way to motivate, mentor, and educate our students, specifically in STEM education, so that we can have a bright future as a nation. We are struggling with that. We need your input. We need your help. I also am--have enjoyed this so much but really am looking forward to the next panel of young people, which is really, I think, the--where the excitement is of seeing that from them. I talk to scientists. I represent Fermilab and have some wonderful physicists and they get so excited talking to other people about science. That challenge we have is, again, what is our role as government? And I think it is telling the story and taking away impediments, you know, of things that will allow young people to get excited and to be able to make the most of these opportunities. That is what we have got to do and finding every possible way to get rid of unfunded mandates that aren't doing anything to excite our kids but are taking away opportunities from them to pursue their real passions and real opportunities there. I want to thank Dr. Jona from Northwestern. You all have done a great job working with my staff and great job in Illinois working to bring STEM resources to local districts. I also want to just, you know, give a thanks and a shout out to Mr. Partovi and also to Mr. Kamen on a couple different fronts. One: last month, I went with my 12-year-old and 9-year-old and--to do an hour of coding in Elgin. We went to Elgin Technology Center, and I did the Angry Birds Hour of Code and was successful. I was able to maneuver and code my way through an hour and loved it and was really encouraged. And the lesson for me out of that was if I can learn how to do this, anybody can learn how to do this. I am serving on this Committee but don't have the pedigree that some of my colleagues have in these areas, but I really did see an excitement there, and what I was most excited about was my kids who were with me and how excited they got, my 9- year-old and my 12-year-old, of doing this. And also my mentor in this process was a 13-year-old, who is on the robotics team in Elgin. ``Got Robot?'' is the robotics team that went to St. Louis last year, great team. They are--this kid is--the whole team is phenomenal. I am so proud of them, but they are so excited. And my 9- and 12-year-old also got to meet with the Got Robot? team to see their latest robot. But with it, what I was really excited about was they brought their brothers and sisters along, little brothers and sisters, who are doing the Lego robots. And boy, my 9- and 12- year-old were kind of intimidated by the robot, but then they saw the Lego robots and they said we can do that. That wouldn't be that hard. And they could start seeing, okay, now I see how this works together, that we can do this. So I just want to commend you for what you are doing, and we want to be helpful. A couple of things just in the minute I have left: there are some challenge in this, too, is how do we--you know, one of the things I recognize is we see a lot of people who are going to college to pursue this and then are dropping out, maybe some for right reasons to pursue a career, others because they just didn't see it as what they thought it was going to be. So I just would ask what can we be doing to encourage people who should be staying in this to stay in it? Are there more internships, mentorships, other relationships that we can be encouraging or building that will help people who really are our best and brightest staying in this? Certainly, we want to do it on the early side, and I think FIRST is doing a great job at this. Code.org is doing a great job of this. But what else can we be doing to make sure young people who should be in this, stay in this? Mr. Partovi. I would like to say a few words that actually address your questions and some of the previous comments. You know, there was this conversation about kids don't like trigonometry, they don't like calculus, they don't like tests, and what we have showed and you saw with your own kids is that kids like making apps. They like making cool stuff. And, you know, with respect to the role of the federal government, without the federal government's help we have managed to get this into tens of thousands of schools. And in fact, even at the elementary level, even in rural schools in one month our curriculum that you saw, a 20-hour-long course is already in almost 10,000 schools at almost no cost with no funding other than what I have managed to raise. But the most important role for you guys I believe, however you want to do it, is to remove the barriers. And the goal I would think of it is basically put the ``T'' into STEM. When you think of STEM, your mind goes to us, the types of things we represent, but when you talk to a school about STEM, what they think about is predominately life sciences and math and maybe physics in between and the technology part isn't even there. And I showed you on the chart that more than 50 percent of STEM jobs are in computer science. Dean talked about the H-1Bs. More than 50 percent of H-1B visas are for computer scientists, but in our K through 12 system, STEM and the funding that comes to STEM and the definition does not include computer science. That is--that should be something that the federal government can play a role in because currently it does actually provide barriers. Mr. Hultgren. Yes. My time is up. There is so much more that I would love to talk with you all about. I really would echo that we would love to have you come back and have some more focused testimony on this and get other committees engaged and involved in this. I am a cosponsor of the Computer Science Education Act, which is a small step in the right direction but there is so much more we can be doing there to recognize how important that is. The last thing I will do is--will say is how important parents and teachers are. I just feel like that is the linchpin on this. So much is--I see so many parents who are intimidated by this and teachers who are intimidated by this, and anything we can be doing for them to see this is a great opportunity for your kids to have a great future and maybe change the future. And so Got Robot?, for example, this robotics team in my area, happens to be a homeschooled team, and so those parents are incredibly dedicated to their kids' education certainly, but also to that team, and it pays off such rich dividends, which I just was so inspired by and my own kids were inspired by as well. So thank you all. I wish we had a lot more time but also looking forward to hearing from students who are engaged in this. With this, I yield back. Thanks, Chairman. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. Without objection, the Chair recognizes Ms. Edwards for five minutes. Ms. Edwards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and to the Ranking Member. I really appreciate your allowing me to sit in on this Committee. This is not my Subcommittee. I wanted to just sort of talk to you because I come to this from a couple of different places. And, Dean Kamen, when you visited my son's school, Capitol Hill Day School, when he was in 8th grade, I know for him and all of those of students, it was very inspiring. And it wasn't that they were necessarily going into or studying those fields but it gave them a different avenue and approach to the work that they were doing. And I was a student--when I was a student, I had a great aptitude for science and math at all of the higher order sciences and math, and I wouldn't say I was discouraged from going into those fields at higher ed, but I was not actively encouraged, and as a result, I didn't. And it wasn't until after high school, after college, and a different direction that I happened upon Lockheed Engineering. I got a job there. I ended up first doing, you know, analysis and writing and software testing and then development that I discovered that in fact I did have a very practical aptitude. And so it worries me that sometimes we are--you know, we are in a situation now where we don't necessarily discourage students but we have to have more encouragement for students who may not think of that as their first choice because they may not have the parents at home who understand that or who are, like a lot of parents, intimidated by all of those higher order sciences and maths. And then as a worker in the sector, we--at Lockheed we wanted--a lot of the companies that were doing business at NASA wanted a relationship with the school system but it was so incredibly difficult. When could our engineers be in the classroom? Could they only be in there for an hour or two a day? Could the students come to our facilities, all of those things, and we are still working out some of those kinks in terms of the relationship with the private sector that gives a much more practical vantage point of how to do work in and with our school systems. And then, lastly, as a Member of Congress, every year I do a college fair. We invited--this last year, we had about 165 or so colleges and universities. And the focus of that is we bring in employers as well to do demonstration projects around STEM fields. We actually had a computer coding project that was run by one of our local companies, and, you know, each one of them participating because it helps for students to say where is it that I am going? What is the direction I am proceeding in? And then we had the National Association of Black Engineers, and so for the first time--my district is majority African-American-- that these African-American students who are going to the college fair could actually see engineers who look like them, who are doing projects with them, so that they could see a direction they were going in. And so I just share that with you because I don't think it is one thing or another thing, and I think sometimes the federal government has to set a floor but it can't be the be- all and end-all. And in our next panel we are going to hear from two students who come from counties that I represent in a State where we have said we can't just have one science or technology school; we have to have that kind of learning taking place in all of our schools. And it is a real transformation from the time that I was at Lockheed and out at Goddard to where we are now. But I just--I applaud you for the--for what you shared with us but I also know that the private sector is going to have to step up and work with our schools and our institutions of higher learning so that we are getting a better match of people who are coming out with degrees and the kind of work that is done in the workplace because we have such a mismatch now that it is the reason that you have to struggle with those H-1B visas. And God love those people who are coming in to our companies, but it is because we have a terrific mismatch between the students we are producing, the skills that they have, and the workforce needs, and we have to marry those up. And I just--I close my comments because I really came here for our second panel, but I applaud what you do and I hope, Mr. Chairman and to the Ranking Member, that in Congress we can see across the aisle to begin to get this right from a policy perspective in the Congress. And I thank you for being here. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. Now, without objection, the Chair recognizes Mr. Kennedy for five minutes. Mr. Kennedy. I will be quick. I promise. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that. I appreciate the opportunity. To the witnesses, thank you for indulging yet another Member that is not on this Subcommittee but is on this Committee and has great interest in this topic. Thank you all for being here. I wanted to build a little bit off of my colleague Congresswoman Edwards' question or point I guess. I am very interested and actively engaged in a number of STEM initiatives in Massachusetts and through the work of this Committee. One of the challenges I have seen in Massachusetts is a bit of the mismatch that Ms. Edwards pointed to, but a demand from the private sector to provide more talented engineers and scientists, computer scientists. But as we try to structure what that actually is and looks like, our reluctance of some in the private sector to recognize that this is--to look at STEM and STEM initiatives as a long-term investment in their own business and business model rather than a short-term corporate philanthropy initiative that, given a bunch of iPads or a school field trip or something and taking a photograph and sending that out in their newsletter, that is how it is approached more so than a strategic overall development of an overall strategic plan. And I was wondering if you could give any recommendations to me or to this Committee as to how to get the private sector more involved in some of these long-term efforts? Whoever wants to take it. Mr. Kamen. Well, for one thing, as you have heard a number of times, I think a lot of the problem is not to do anything; it is to stop doing things that are counterproductive and get rid of hurdles and barriers that might have made sense when we were an industrial society. You needed rows of student lined up and seeds here and then they take the summer off to, you know, bring in the crops, which I am sure a lot of them are doing today. But the idea that, for instance, a scientist, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering, can't go into a school because they are not qualified to teach, that is fine. We don't want to create an issue there, but, for instance, let the students get credits for being on FIRST programs. Let them get college credits. We know the colleges are desperate for our graduates and our alumni. Find ways to take down the barriers that we have historically had between industry and schools, make it easier for the teachers to get credits for being involved with industry and learning how to bring coding into the school. I mean there is so much structure which, again, makes--you know, inertia is a difficult thing to overcome, but knocking down barriers and creating the right incentives and--I will keep saying it--just showing up and cheering for kids that are doing something, it--you can't underestimate--you said you weren't actively discouraged but you look at how many other things were stealing your attention, the co-mission as opposed to the omission. I think you were actively discouraged because of so much else in our culture that was sending you to different places for different reasons. You were lucky, but there are a lot of kids in this country that are going to get past an age where they can develop the skill sets for these great jobs because they were distracted by a whole lot of nonsense. And government can help get rid of some of that nonsense. Dr. Jona. Yes. I would just add, you know, there is a broad range of incentives that the private sector has to invest in R&D and build plants and bring in jobs. It might be worth considering some incentives to foster that long-term thinking that you are talking about, whether it be tax credits or other kinds of incentives. It could be anything from as simple as providing summer teacher internships at businesses so that they can keep current with engineering and scientific practices or coding practices. You know, a lot of the small startup companies are way too small to afford to host these internships like larger companies do except that is where all the excitement and activity is these days. So I think there are some creative opportunities to incentivize business participation, you know, over the long haul. As you said, it is a self--partially self-interested workforce development issue, but it could benefit our STEM education. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you. Mr. Partovi. If I may answer, you know, I agree with you that many of the efforts you may see from large companies are either trying to just hire the next engineer or trying to, you know, hire high school immigrants or do a laptop giveaway to take a photo opportunity, but we have actually built a very strong coalition of some of the top tech companies thinking long-term, and they are investing in elementary school education, which isn't going to pay them back dividends. It is paying the country dividends. And just to give you a sense, we may be one of the only nonprofits that can claim Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, LinkedIn, SalesFirst, Juniper, all collectively participating not in small levels but Google put--changed their logo for the Hour of Code. Apple put it into every single store in the United States. Microsoft and Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg delivered video lectures for us. Amazon hosted our infrastructure. These are all very long-term investments in changing the system, and these companies actually want to form a public-private partnership to bring computer science to all of America's schools. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you and I yield back my negative time. Chairman Bucshon. You didn't have any time left. Well, I would like to thank all the witnesses. And also we didn't talk about it much today but I do think the retention issue of students that do initially go into STEM is a big deal, and there is some--I am a big Gladwell fan and his most recent book ``David and Goliath,'' he talks about the fact that the mismatch between the student and the school, which school that they choose, is important in that area. If the student chooses a school that doesn't match them either challenge-wise or otherwise, they have a tendency to drop out and feel like they are not--they can't compete. And so school mismatch is a big problem. But I would like to thank all the witnesses. The Members of the Committee will have--may have additional questions for you and we will ask you to respond to those in writing. The witnesses are excused from this part of our hearing. We are going to take a very short break. If everyone that can stay seated, please do, because we are going to try to transition as quickly as possible to the next hearing. Thank you very much. [Recess.] Chairman Bucshon. All right. We are glad to begin our second panel. If everyone could be seated, we will proceed. This is going to be a fascinating part of the hearing because we are actually going to hear from those for whom STEM education is most important, and that is the actual students. Thank you for being here. I know it may not have been easy to get permission from your parents and teachers to come, but I think when you told them you were going to testify in front of Congress, maybe they gave you a little latitude, and obviously you are here. We know that not every program gets every student excited, but we are interested in learning from your experiences and perspectives whether it is through FIRST, Code.org, VEX Robotics, Project Lead the Way, the Science Bowl, or something else. Our first witness for our second panel is Ms. Ellana Crew. Ms. Crew is in the 12th grade at South River High School in Edgewater, Maryland. Our second witness is Mr. Brian Morris. Mr. Morris is in 12th grade at Chantilly Academy in Chantilly, Virginia. Our third witness is Mr. Daniel Nette. Mr. Nette is in the 11th grade at George Mason High School in Falls Church, Virginia. And our final witness is Mr. Vishnu Rachakonda. Mr. Rachakonda is in the 12th grade at Eleanor Roosevelt High School in Greenbelt, Maryland. Our witnesses should know that spoken testimony is limited to five minutes after which the Members of the Committee will have five minutes each to ask you questions. Your testimony will be included in the record of the hearing. I now recognize our first witness, Ms. Crew, for her testimony. Welcome. TESTIMONY OF MS. ELLANA CREW, 12TH GRADE, SOUTH RIVER HIGH SCHOOL, EDGEWATER, MARYLAND Ms. Crew. Thank you, Chairman Smith, Chairman Bucshon, Ranking Member Lipinski, and Members of the Committee. I am a little different than most of the other kids here for two reasons, one being I am legally blind, not fully blind but not fully sighted, caught in the middle, also because I am actually not going into a STEM career, but it still definitely has changed a lot and encouraged lots of things for me just being a part of FIRST. I have never been able to play sports. I couldn't see well enough to do it and I was always, you know, your immediate target for dodgeball in all my classes. They went out of their way to try and I was always the first one out. So sports were never a thing, games were hard. Lots of other activities were always difficult. And I first heard about FIRST through a friend of mine who was on the team and her sister was as well. They had been doing it for a while. And the way she talked about it, it seemed like such a great atmosphere and it seemed like a really good opportunity, so I applied for the next year and got into it on the business side. And once I was in, after a while, I just got adjusted and you meet all kinds of people. You see all kinds of things and progress. It is very interesting to see. And, I mean, robots are cool. But there is a place for everybody really. I didn't have to worry about being judged for anything. I didn't have to worry about whether or not I could do it. I could not work on the robot directly or anything, so I couldn't be on build because I couldn't quite see well enough to do that, but there is--you can certainly been involved. And when you watch it happen, it is really, really very cool. That is all I have to say. [The prepared statement of Ms. Crew follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. It is a fascinating perspective that you don't have to be interested in a STEM field to benefit from a STEM education and what it can offer students in all areas of whatever their interests are. I now recognize our next witness, Mr. Morris. TESTIMONY OF MR. BRIAN MORRIS, 12TH GRADE, CHANTILLY ACADEMY, CHANTILLY, VIRGINIA Mr. Morris. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, and Ranking Members of the Committee. I am a veteran FIRST member with my involvement spanning seven years and several programs offered by FIRST such as FLL and FRC. FIRST has been an integral part of my development as a person, as a student, and as an aspiring engineer, and it has challenged and trained me in ways normal classroom schooling never has. And because of FIRST, I feel more prepared to face the challenges and obstacles of the real world than I ever imagined I would. My involvement with FIRST dates back to the 7th grade when five of my friends and I decided to give robotics a try through FIRST Lego League. While I originally thought of FIRST programs only as games to play for entertainment, I soon realized they were so much more. FIRST isn't just about the competition. It is also about the life and learning experiences of being on a team, working with technology, solving problems, and inspiring others to do the same. This is really what got me hooked on FIRST: competing, learning, and having fun all at the same time. I couldn't say what my favorite part of FIRST is. There is really so much I have enjoyed. I have had the chance to work on long-term projects, seeing them go from the drawing board to physical, finished products, which is my favorite part of engineering. I have learned invaluable technical skills, as well as how to manage and lead large groups. The FIRST community puts the program above any individual goal or interest, and it is overwhelmingly helpful and supportive thanks to the principle of gracious professionalism. The outpouring of passion and enthusiasm at FIRST events is truly refreshing, and watching the enthusiasm of so many young people for science and technology gives me hope for the future. FIRST has helped me discover my passion for engineering, and because of FIRST, I can definitively say that I want to pursue electrical engineering and computer science as a career. I have applied to several top engineering schools in Virginia and the Nation, and I hope my experience with FIRST will give me an edge up in admissions. But no matter what university I end up at, I am sure the skills I learned with FIRST will serve me well in my studies and beyond. [The prepared statement of Mr. Morris follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. And I am sure they will. I now recognize Mr. Nette for his testimony. TESTIMONY OF MR. DANIEL NETTE, 11TH GRADE, GEORGE MASON HIGH SCHOOL, FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA Mr. Nette. Thank you, Members of the Committee. I first learned about FIRST from my older brother, who was a founding member of Team 1418 at my school in 2004, making this our 10th year. He--I--he currently serves as the tournament director for a FIRST Lego League tournament held at our local middle school. Unlike many of my science and mathematics classes, FIRST provides the opportunity to apply hands-on solutions to real challenges. As we compete--complete the challenge, we also learn valuable skills like team building, communication, leadership, and especially the four elements of STEM. Through the program, I have refined my ability to seek my own solutions to problems and develop my own desire to learn. Working with robots has helped me learn about idea development, material properties, pneumatics, metalworking, and motors by applying concepts that I learned in the classroom to a real life problem. FIRST gives us a challenge each year and then we go through the process of brainstorming, designing, prototyping, building, and of course rebuilding multiple times until a working solution is achieved. In addition to the processes, the pressure of a six week time constraint to complete the task at hand, I know I will encounter these deadlines and utilize these problem-solving skills in my future career. Many students involved in the program experience for the first time the importance of interaction and communication with adults such as mentors and judges. While that was not a problem as so much for me because of my experiences in becoming an Eagle Scout, I discovered the power to spread the ideas of FIRST at a dinner conversation last year with a family friend who became very interested in the program. She invested in a Lego robotics kit and took it on a mission trip to a school in Rwanda so that the students there could begin to learn about robotics. She then went on to serve as a judge at a recent FLL tournament and hopes to become a mentor in the near future. As a student, I have always had an interest in mathematics and science but it wasn't until the last few years, through my experience with FIRST, I realized that I would like to pursue a career in STEM. I plan to apply to Virginia Tech and hope if accepted to be able to work with robots to solve real-life challenges. [The prepared statement of Mr. Nette follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Excellent. Thank you very much. I now recognize our final witness, Mr. Rachakonda. TESTIMONY OF MR. VISHNU RACHAKONDA, 12TH GRADE, ELEANOR ROOSEVELT HIGH SCHOOL, GREENBELT, MARYLAND Mr. Rachakonda. Thank you, Chairman Bucshon, Ranking Member Lipinski, and other Members for being here and listening to my testimony. My name is Vishnu Rachakonda. I attend Eleanor Roosevelt High School. I am in the 12th grade. Actually, we have a significant number of students from Ms. Edwards' district herself. My experience with FIRST is that I started with FLL in the 7th grade just like Brian, and I spent four years in FRC now. And I just have to say my fellow students touched a lot-- very well on the educational aspects and values of FIRST, and I would just like to talk a little bit about my personal story. I think with FRC, especially FIRST in general, I described it in three ways: spirited, challenging, and fun. I am a basketball fan, I am a football fan, I am a tennis fan, so I love, you know, hearing everyone talk about basketball here and seeing Chris Bosh on the screen. But for me FRC has been so spirited, so different from every other educational activity I have been to. There is a subculture behind it. There is, Dean Kamen--Mr. Kamen, he is my James Naismith. Woodie Flowers, the guy who comes up with the challenges behind it, all the mentors who do it, they are my Lebron, they are my Kobe. They are the people who are my role models with respect to engineering, and I think that is very unique to FIRST and in general to these kind of STEM activities. I think that FIRST--the challenges that are before me have pushed me to engage these fields--these STEM fields differently and more thoroughly than anything I have ever done in class. I took AP Physics B, I took AP Physics C, I have done all these AP classes, and I have gotten the grades, but being in FIRST, I can't say I am the best engineer in my club because I am not. I have gotten higher grades than the best engineer but Kyle beats me at being an engineer. So I think that in challenging me, it has been very unique and more different, and I think that is very valuable. And finally, it has been fun. I think we have all alluded to how being fun, I think, is critical in engaging students in STEM and whatever--in STEM and these fields. And FRC has certainly done that and FIRST programs have certainly done that. I think importantly the fact that we get to interact with these professional mentors has made a huge difference in my own life. You know, I work with Mr. Healy, who is here, you know, with me today, and I think that these people have become role models, you know, in pursuing an engineering career and then also giving back to the community. I think that FRC has made a personal change in me on that level. I would just like to tell a short story about how I have come to appreciate FIRST more. Recently, I went to Japan on a trip to present some original research, which I hope to come back to, but original research. And at that conference for high school students it was--you know, there is something called World Premier Research Institutes in Japan. They are modeled off American universities and how we have phenomenal research institutions. They are doing the same thing in Japan to try and replicate what we do. And when I was there, they were asking me what do you guys do in school? What do you guys--you know, what is it that you do that allows you to do such good research? Because we are presenting unique research that Japanese high school students there were not capable of doing, not for lack of intelligence but for lack of facilities, for lack of support. And when I told them about FIRST, about what we did, about how we manage a $25,000 budget, how students build these 120-pound robots, they were absolutely flabbergasted. I mean these were top scientists but they were saying kids can do that? Are kids smart enough to do that? What? But the point was that it allowed me to appreciate FIRST and the programs that these--you know, these unique private sector STEM programs are engaging in. You know, Code.org, all of our students on our FRC team, they learn coding through Code Academy, through Code.org, all these websites, and it is really opening up new avenues for us. So, you know, I guess hopefully three things that I guess maybe this discussion would include would be teacher support, which I think Mr. Kamen was talking about extensively. I think it is very difficult at my school to get people--to get teachers to support programs. I had to--Science Bowl, you mentioned that. I need to find a new sponsor for my Science Bowl team this year because my old teacher said she couldn't do it this year, and it was hard I mean because teachers just said I have so much work. I have so much work in terms of testing or whatever it is that they weren't able to be, you know, sponsors or whatever. So hopefully, you know, some way teachers can be, you know, more focused on--or allowed to sponsor these kind of private sector STEM programs like FIRST because it all starts with the school, and if you don't have that school support, no team can survive. You know, internships and stuff like that, I think real world experience, practical STEM experience like FRC, like internships are critical, and I think that, you know, up here, Dr. Jona was talking about GPA and stuff like that. I think it comes back to college admissions. I think that is an important aspect to this STEM engagement for students. And, yeah, I just--on a personal note, I plan to, because of FIRST, major in biomedical or electrical engineering when I get to college. I don't know where yet but hopefully I will learn by the end of March. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Rachakonda follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you for--all of you for your testimony. I am not sure at your age that I could have testified that well in front of Congress. Truly--and I still can't. Thank you, Mr. Massie, for pointing that out. Fascinating to hear from the students, and I want to remind the Committee Members the rules limit questioning to five minutes. And at this point I will recognize myself for five minutes to ask some questions. Ms. Crew, in your testimony you noted that your--the focus on the business side of FIRST. Can you tell me about what the business side entails as part of an FRC team? Ms. Crew. The business side kind of--they do a lot of work. There is all kinds of sub teams. We do--we manage all of the-- like the awards that we enter, Chairman and--everything. The graphics especially is a huge part of the business side. I am on community service personally, which we--you know, we reach out. We donate; we do whatever we can to help. But there are multiple sub teams and they all have a really big part in it. I don't know where we would be without graphics. I don't know. We probably wouldn't have won anything without the awards team. It is a very large, intricate, complicated thing. I don't know if all teams are run like that, but at least mine is. It is a very good system. Chairman Bucshon. And, Mr. Morris, do you want to have a comment about that? Mr. Morris. Yes. I would just like to elaborate on the less technical aspect of the team. A lot of these teams, mine in particular, are run like a corporation. There is a leadership structure and there is a product that the team produces that is a robot, but there is also all the support that goes into running an organization. So you have funding people. All of these teams are self-funded. They don't get funding through the school, so we have people who have to go out. They have to seek corporate sponsorship. They have to find mentors if there is no infrastructure in place to help get the mentors. And all of this is done by students. So even non-STEM people--I--as the executive of my team, I have not just engineers, I have marketers, I have business people, I have graphics design and website people. And these are all people that you need to run a FIRST team, so it is not just about the engineers even though that is obviously the focus, but we say this to people when we are recruiting for the team. There is a place for anyone no matter what your skill set. If it is public speaking or writing or anything, there is a place for you. And that is kind of the--what the business side is about. Chairman Bucshon. That is fascinating. And I will start with Mr. Rachakonda on this next one. Have the activities you participated in during the robotics club, the FIRST competitions, changed your approach to your other schoolwork? And as a follow-up, have the activities changed how you think about problems or challenges outside of school? Mr. Rachakonda. Yes. I definitely think that, you know, that these challenges have really--Mr. Kamen talked about how synthesis--analysis and synthesis. I think that I have taken stuff from FRC where I have learned about certain robot parts or have learned about certain technologies and--or, you know, coding or whatever it is and I am able to understand that and cross-apply it to whatever I am doing in school. So, you know, we have technology classes in school. I am cross-applying what I learned in FIRST, what I learned in FRC to what I am learning in technology. And, you know, the--being in FIRST has allowed me to be in multiple internships, research-focused internships. From those research-focused internships I am now cross-applying that to in class, you know, we have to produce a research paper by the end of the year as part of the program that I am in. You know, you are in an internship and then from there you produce a scientific paper. And so some of the skills that I have learned from FRC in terms of time management, whatever it is, technical skills, I am able to apply that in that respect. So, yes, there definitely is a mixing between those two. Chairman Bucshon. Mr. Nette? Mr. Nette. From what I have experienced with FIRST, I have been mostly kind of a nuts-and-bolts guy if you will doing most of the physical work on the robot, and that was what inspired me to get into the computer science classes that we have at our school was because I wanted to learn more about how you make those things do what they are designed to do. And so definitely what FIRST has planted the seed for me to learn more about what it is all about, how you make things work. So it got me started and now I am seeking my own route outside of FIRST through my classes to learn more about the rest of things, and hopefully, I can come back to FIRST with my new knowledge and help possibly with the programming. Thank you. Chairman Bucshon. Excellent. Mr. Morris, how has--the things that you were learning in FIRST, has that changed your perspective on your other schoolwork or your activities outside of school? Mr. Morris. It hasn't so much changed the perspective I would say but it did--what I have learned in FIRST I have definitely been able to apply outside of school as with what my fellow witnesses were saying. FIRST takes up a lot of your time and you have to learn how to manage that time. You have to learn how to prioritize, and as well from being the leader of the team, I have learned how to lead people. These FIRST teams, they are volunteers. You can't fire them if they are not doing their job. So how do you motivate these people and engage them? And that is something that is not just--I can't just apply to FIRST but I can apply to science fair or any other group project where students--how do I get these people motivated? That is a big part of it. Chairman Bucshon. Ms. Crew, do you have comments on that subject? Ms. Crew. It definitely does affect your time management I think most of all since you are there--once the season starts, you are usually there pretty much almost every day of the week. So you have to figure out when you do your homework and all the other things. That is about all I have to take from it though since I am not quite involved with the computer science aspect of it so---- Chairman Bucshon. Okay. Thank you, everyone. I now recognize the Ranking Member, Mr. Lipinski, for his questions. Mr. Lipinski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to say that all of you, your testimony has been extremely impressive. I sit here and I think that when--well, now that Mr. Massie is gone, I can say this. You have probably put all of us--we all sitting up here probably look and say if only I were that good when I was that age. I can certainly say that for myself. But obviously, you all have great opportunities ahead of you for whatever you want to do. And I am sure if there are any parents out there, teachers out there, you have to be extremely proud of your child here. And I am sure Mr. Kamen sitting there is-- has to be extremely proud. I taught college before I was elected to Congress, but it is just very impressive what you have been able to do, and I just encourage you to keep it up. Obviously, you have put in a lot of hard work. Mr. Morris, you talked about the hours. How many hours do you spend--did you spend on FIRST? Mr. Morris. FIRST--the FIRST season is structured a lot like a sports season, so, first of all, we have our off-season and so that is we are preparing for our season. It is--that is--it is hard to kind of estimate how much but I would say at least three hours a week at least, and sometimes there will be big spates of work where we would be off at an outreach event, we will be volunteering for, you know, eight to ten hours a day. And then we get to the build season, which is when we construct our bot, and that is--at least on my team that is four to six hours every day after school as well as eight hours on Saturday, and that increases over the duration of the build, over the duration of the six weeks. And after the build, a few months later we go kind of back into preparation mode, and then we have got our competition and competitions are three days of very intense 24/7 work basically but also they are a lot of fun. So that is just kind of the summary of the hours. I don't know if some of these other teams work differently, but that is how my team works. Mr. Lipinski. Anyone else want to comment on--Mr. Rachakonda? Mr. Rachakonda. Yes. On average I would say I probably spend 10 hours a week on FIRST-related activities, on robotics club-related activities. And the work never stops. You know, they say, you know, like football never stops or whatever. You are still working on an off-season. You are still working on an off-season for FIRST. We have a team calendar the entire year. Every month we have to have something done. You know, June through August we have to manage--that is when we really try and set up our plan for the next year. That is when we want to get our corporate sponsorships, and that is ideally when we want to get everything rolling in because January through March we have to build our robot. And, trust me, nothing else is happening until the robot is done. So, you know, November through December we have to train our new members, we have to teach them programming, teach them how to use the skills. Safety training has to be done because we are working with power tools. So, yes, there are a lot of different aspects to it which I think is one of the most unique things about FRC. It is not just about the robot but you really are running--you know, I like to call it the world's toughest corporation because all your talent is gone in four years, everyone is volunteer, and the people who are leading it are all volunteer. And so it is very unique and that is what I think is very important about it. I guess my other students can also talk about that. Mr. Lipinski. Anyone else want to--Mr. Nette? Mr. Nette. I would violently agree with everything that has been said here. It certainly takes---- Mr. Lipinski. Didn't you learn not to use that word here? Mr. Nette. It certainly takes a substantial amount of time, but yes, in the off-season you definitely have lots more time to go into the outreach aspect of FIRST, which is just as much a part of it as the build season is. It is about helping other people, gracious professionalism. Even during the build season we will help with other teams. We take a few under our wing and sometimes help them get started. So, yes, it is definitely a great experience and it doesn't end at the end of build season, but it definitely picks back up. Mr. Lipinski. Is there anything that--what can be done? Is there anything we could do, anything you could do what--in terms of encouraging more students to get involved? And I want to start with Ms. Crew because you obviously--you are coming at this--we are talking about all this technical, you know, stuff about the robotics and you are involved in a different part of FIRST. So is there anything that can be done to encourage more people--more kids to get involved? Ms. Crew. I think it definitely needs to be in more schools and it needs to be more--there needs to be more awareness about it. There is not nearly enough, you know, information on it. You know, at school they will always do announcements about what your sports teams did and reminding you to come out to the game and all that, and robotics is kind of--it is like an accidental secret. Nobody really has heard of it unless you have--you know somebody in it most of the time or we do something really incredible and it is on the announcements. So I think it definitely needs to be more--the word needs to be spread. Mr. Morris. Yes, I don't think that is really the fault of the teams. I think you have heard people mention outreach a lot. Spreading the message of FIRST is something that Dean is big on and the entire organization is big on, but like just trying to get access to the gym to use our robot to get like-- not to demean the sports teams at all, but to have the same kind of formality with the school is certainly something that would help you because we certainly think that this is just as important. Mr. Lipinski. Mr. Rachakonda? Mr. Rachakonda. I am sorry, just briefly. I think unknowingly or like whatever, it used to be that STEM and these kind of things were niche activities. They were just something that, you know, maybe in the '70s people would build train tracks, but that is not what it is anymore, you know, sample, model train tracks. But now it has become an athletic activity at least in the model of FRC. We have 50 students on our team. That is not your usual club. We run a budget of $25,000. That is not your usual club. And so that is where I think that if there was more awareness in terms of how to deal with these kind of STEM activities and recognizing this is not just another academic activity, this is not just Quiz Bowl, which I am also a participant in and it is great, but it is not just Quiz Bowl. It is something different and we need to recognize that and how we treat it. And, you know, Mr. Partovi was talking about how we treat computer science and everything, but in terms of activities, too, when you do realize that, that it is quite different. Mr. Lipinski. All right. Thank you very much. Chairman Bucshon. I now recognize Mr. Hultgren for five minutes. Mr. Hultgren. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being here. And I just want to commend you for really going above and beyond. That--to me, that is really kind of the story of your work is this is above and beyond, an incredible commitment but also an incredible opportunity. And I really sense that, that you recognize what a great opportunity you have been given. A couple questions I have, one is I wonder if you could just talk briefly about how your parents first responded when you mentioned that you were interested in doing this and when you started talking about I guess some of the responsibilities, maybe driving or whatever that would be involved for them. How did they respond? We can just kind of go down the line or whoever wants to speak up. Mr. Rachakonda. Well, my mike is already on, but, yes, I think--well, for me at least, even from getting started in engineering and getting started in STEM, my entire family is, you know, in a STEM field. My dad is an engineer, my grandfather was an engineer. All of them went to West Virginia University actually, interesting, but I think that my parents were definitely very supportive of how I have approached this. And my dad, you know, he also--he is involved in a tech company or whatever and he has given me advice on how to approach running--because I am the president of my club, how to approach running, you know, whatever I do in FRC, whatever I do in FIRST. And so my parents have definitely been very supportive of it and I think that is what makes the difference for successful FIRST teams, successful FRC teams. You always see parent engagement, and I think that is something that is very important for, you know, the success of STEM programs especially because they can be very expensive and they can be very time-consuming. Mr. Nette. Of course my parents were very excited that I was ready to join the robotics team. At the time, our high school started in the eighth grade, which it does no longer. But--so I started on our FRC team in the eighth grade. That was the year where the game was Logo Motion, and at the end of the game there was a challenge to have a mini robot that would climb a pole at the end of the match as fast as it could, and so we kind of--the rest of the team graciously let us--let the eighth and ninth graders, who were trying to get into the swing of things, handle the mini bot challenge, and so that was kind of our own undertaking and we worked through that problem on our own. So, yes, I just kind of jumped right into it and hopefully in the near future we are trying to start a FTC team in our school district so that the student at the middle school don't necessarily have to wait until high school because there is that gap between FLL and FRC. Mr. Morris. All right. There is a philosophy among FIRST-- some FIRST teams that adults are only there to sign the checks, but in my experience you can't run an organization like this without parents. They not only have to be supportive--my parents are very supportive--but they also have to be involved and they have to--I think the biggest part of that is having them understand the advantages FIRST has for these kids because when these kids are spending four hours a day, six hours a day, eight hours on weekends working at the school and their parents are just like, what? What are you guys doing? What are you getting out of this? So the teams can--we can talk at the parents about, you know, what are the advantages of this? Why do you want your kids doing this? But I think it gives more credence to the--it gives more kind of weight to the argument when other adults are telling the other adults this is why this is important, this is why you should be not only happy but supportive of your kid for doing this because there are people on the team whose parents don't want them to be in FIRST, and I think that is really quite sad. Ms. Crew. My family had some kind of mixed emotions for a while. My mom was not happy about it taking up so much time during the build season because you are there basically every single day. We have Wednesdays off at my team but every other day you are there and longer on weekends than the other days. So she wasn't exactly happy about that and it is very time- consuming and she didn't know how I was going to get there. My dad, though, he was pretty interested in it. He thought it was really cool so he kind of helped convince her of it. And he actually got involved in it, too, as a mentor. He is now the documentation mentor at our team, so he just drives my sister and I--my sister is now on the team, too--to it every day and it generally kind of works. Mr. Hultgren. That is great. If I could, any parents who are here, if you don't mind just raising your hand, any parents? Thank you. I know it is a huge commitment and I just want to commend you for your involvement and engagement. I would love to get into more talking about mentors as well. Certainly, parents are part of that but also some of the other mentors that you have mentioned, certainly some who are in the room, some who have joined with you today. But I saw that so clearly with my team Got Robot? back in my area that relationships and the commitment of mentors, giving so much of their time and not getting paid, if they are paid, really not much at all, but seeing this vision of pouring into you the opportunity that they wish they would have had when they were your age, and that is really, really cool. So I would ask are they any mentors in the room as well? So thank you all so much for your commitment as well of being mentors. That is amazing. One of my fears is that we see with challenges we are facing in Congress some of the cuts that are coming are to the Department of Energy, to STEM education mentorship programs, and we have got to do everything we can to fight against that. That is exactly what we need more of is more mentorship. And when--especially when we see teachers being so stretched or maybe not even having the passion or the desire to put in this time commitment, yet a mentor is willing to do that, some teachers certainly willing to be mentors as well, but this is something I want to continue to focus on and make sure that the funding is there for that and we do everything we can to encourage this. So thank you. I just am inspired by the work that you are doing. Thank you, parents. Thank you, mentors. And anything you all can be doing and that we can be doing as Members of Congress just to be spreading the word of how important this is and how much this makes sense. I will wrap up if I can, Mr. Chairman, just by talking about Mr. Rachakonda--is that right--talked about going to Japan. It sounds like an incredible experience--but how they are modeling what we have done, my fear is that we are going to lose that cutting-edge that we are really the place that is-- the rest of the world looks to as the innovative nation. And there are so many other nations that are ready to do that, and I think STEM education and programs like FIRST are absolutely key for us of what type of nation are we going to be in the next 5, 10, 20 years. I want to make sure that we are continuing on that forefront, that we are the nation that every other nation is looking to to see how does America do it and then let's follow what they are doing rather than falling behind, and that is my fear. Thanks, Mr. Chairman, for your indulgence. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. Without objection, the Chair now recognizes Ms. Edwards for five minutes. Ms. Edwards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and to the Ranking Member. And again, I really do appreciate your enabling me to sit in today. I am here today principally because two of the students are from the counties that I represent, and I feel very proud of the work that we are trying to do in our school systems to enable this kind of learning. But I am curious from each of you what aspects of your academic curricula during the school day contribute and how does it contribute to what you are doing in your club activities? Mr. Rachakonda. Well, I think that definitely--that, you know--I mean it is a STEM activity at heart, right, and I think that definitely my physics curriculum, everything I do in chemistry, all these different things are definitely--have helped me in understanding what goes on. I think that, you know, some of the advanced classes that I have taken have helped me understand what goes on at the heart of these robotics very clearly, and I feel that, you know, they were talking about the curriculum earlier, and I am not well versed enough to say anything to pass judgment on those curriculum, but I feel that I have learned a lot in school that has been useful in FIRST, and I felt the same way vice versa. So, you know, the subject matter is the subject matter and maybe in different schools it is being taught differently, taught worse, taught better, whatever it is, but I think that at heart for me that the academic subjects are very applicable in FIRST and all these STEM activities. Ms. Edwards. Thank you. Ellana, I wonder if you could share with us--because you are in a different part of the aspect of the program--the parts of your academic work that facilitates what you are doing with FIRST or not? Ms. Crew. Mine doesn't actually have a whole lot of contribution. I am in just standard classes. I was never in STEM. I was hardly ever allowed to really be in honors because like the special ed department was worried that I wouldn't be able to handle the workload and before like tenth grade they were kind of right. I didn't have the greatest work ethic. But I do sometimes need a lot of people work, so I guess the way they have you work together does kind of help. Ms. Edwards. Thank you. Either of you--of our other two panelists? Mr. Morris. A lot--the--I will have to--actually have to say that a lot of like the physics and the calculus we learn in school, you don't get a chance to like--what you are doing in FIRST is--it is more hands-on, so sometimes you have trouble like kind of rectifying the--reconciling the--what you have learned in school, what you have learned in FIRST, but it is like--I don't see any--there is--I don't think there is like a better way of doing it than FIRST because FIRST--what you have in school is you have your curriculum. What you have in FIRST is you are hands-on, and those things aren't mutually exclusive but FIRST teaches the hands-on I think better then, you know, school ever possibly could. Mr. Nette. The math and science classes of course prepare us somewhat for what you are going to do on FIRST, but in math when you take a test or something, they tell you what equation you have to use to solve the problem, but when you are doing this in the real world, you have to figure that part out yourself also. You have to figure out what equation to use, then which numbers to put where and all that. Being a junior I haven't gone into some of the more advanced math and science classes yet, but on another note, one of the things that our team is trying to do this year is to engage some of the students from aspects outside of STEM like the English students and the history students, too, because there is of course functions that they can do on our team. There are awards that you have to write essays for and all accounting and all that, so economics classes and everything play into it. So we are trying to reach out beyond STEM and have some position for everyone in all the classes on our team. Ms. Edwards. Thank you. I want to just get to one thing. Our earlier panel talked about this idea of failure, and it is a thing that I have been kind of wrapped up in since I have been in Congress because I think sometimes we don't put resources into things because something fails and then you experiment with it. Can you all share with us what you have done that failed that you learned from and the value of that? Mr. Morris. I will actually--I will start on this. The first game--the competition--you are designed to fail. They give you way too many requirements with way too little time, and so you are going to mess up. I am sure every team here has had, you know, robots that maybe didn't have--you know, didn't perform as awesomely as they had hoped because--but it is really--the core of the engineering challenge of FIRST is not just building the robot, it is prioritizing to say, all right, what aspects of this are we going to concentrate on and how are we going to concentrate on that? And if you fail, then--I mean you just--it is not like--this is FIRST. This isn't a--real life and so you--this is a place where you can fail and learn from your failures without the consequences being too heavy. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you very much. Thank you for all of our witnesses. Again, as Mr. Massie pointed out, you have probably done a better job testifying in front of Congress than maybe I would. I have four kids and I have found this to be one of the most fascinating hearings I have ever attended. I mean that sincerely. So I would like to thank all the witnesses for your very valuable testimony. And the Members of the Committee may have additional questions for you and we will ask you to respond to those in writing. The record will remain open for two weeks for additional comments and written questions from the Members. At this point, the witnesses are excused and the hearing is adjourned. 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