[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] [H.A.S.C. No. 113-71] U.S. ASIA-PACIFIC STRATEGIC CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY NAVAL FORCES MODERNIZATION __________ HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON SEAPOWER AND PROJECTION FORCES OF THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ HEARING HELD DECEMBER 11, 2013 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] TONGRESS.#13 U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 86-078 WASHINGTON : 2014 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Printing Office. Phone 202�09512�091800, or 866�09512�091800 (toll-free). E-mail, [email protected]. SUBCOMMITTEE ON SEAPOWER AND PROJECTION FORCES J. RANDY FORBES, Virginia, Chairman K. MICHAEL CONAWAY, Texas MIKE McINTYRE, North Carolina DUNCAN HUNTER, California JOE COURTNEY, Connecticut E. SCOTT RIGELL, Virginia JAMES R. LANGEVIN, Rhode Island STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi RICK LARSEN, Washington ROBERT J. WITTMAN, Virginia HENRY C. ``HANK'' JOHNSON, Jr., MIKE COFFMAN, Colorado Georgia JON RUNYAN, New Jersey COLLEEN W. HANABUSA, Hawaii KRISTI L. NOEM, South Dakota DEREK KILMER, Washington PAUL COOK, California SCOTT H. PETERS, California Heath Bope, Professional Staff Member Douglas Bush, Professional Staff Member Nicholas Rodman, Clerk C O N T E N T S ---------- CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF HEARINGS 2013 Page Hearing: Wednesday, December 11, 2013, U.S. Asia-Pacific Strategic Considerations Related to People's Liberation Army Naval Forces Modernization.................................................. 1 Appendix: Wednesday, December 11, 2013..................................... 23 ---------- WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2013 U.S. ASIA-PACIFIC STRATEGIC CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY NAVAL FORCES MODERNIZATION STATEMENTS PRESENTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Forbes, Hon. J. Randy, a Representative from Virginia, Chairman, Subcommittee on Seapower and Projection Forces................. 1 WITNESSES Cropsey, Dr. Seth, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute............... 6 Erickson, Dr. Andrew, Associate Professor, China Maritime Studies Institute, U.S. Naval War College.............................. 2 O'Rourke, Ronald, Specialist in Naval Affairs, Congressional Research Service............................................... 4 Thomas, Jim, Vice President and Director of Studies, Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments............................ 9 APPENDIX Prepared Statements: Cropsey, Dr. Seth............................................ 67 Erickson, Dr. Andrew......................................... 31 Forbes, Hon. J. Randy........................................ 27 McIntyre, Hon. Mike.......................................... 29 O'Rourke, Ronald............................................. 47 Thomas, Jim.................................................. 74 Documents Submitted for the Record: [There were no Documents submitted.] Witness Responses to Questions Asked During the Hearing: [There were no Questions submitted during the hearing.] Questions Submitted by Members Post Hearing: Mr. Forbes................................................... 89 Mr. Langevin................................................. 105 U.S. ASIA-PACIFIC STRATEGIC CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY NAVAL FORCES MODERNIZATION ---------- House of Representatives, Committee on Armed Services, Subcommittee on Seapower and Projection Forces, Washington, DC, Wednesday, December 11, 2013. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 4:34 p.m., in room 2118, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. J. Randy Forbes (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. J. RANDY FORBES, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM VIRGINIA, CHAIRMAN, SUBCOMMITTEE ON SEAPOWER AND PROJECTION FORCES Mr. Forbes. I would like to welcome everyone to our Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee hearing today on the People's Liberation Army [PLA] naval modernization efforts. This is a continuation of the Asia-Pacific oversight series that the full committee kicked off last month. I want to apologize to our witnesses for the delay, based on those votes, but thank you for your patience. In just a few weeks, recent developments in the East China Sea have demonstrated that improving our understanding of regional events and key players is critical to assuring our allies and partners of U.S. commitment to the region and protecting U.S. interests. Tensions in the East and South China Seas have been ongoing now for several years as China attempts to exert its influence in claiming land, sea, and airspace that is clearly beyond their internationally recognized borders. While naval modernization is a natural development for any seafaring nation such as China, it is clear the modernization is emboldening the Chinese Government to exert their interests by bullying their neighbors and pushing back the United States in the Asia-Pacific region. Therefore, it is also critical that we exercise congressional oversight of those requisite U.S. Navy capabilities that will be needed to counter any anti- access and area-denial capabilities the PLA Navy is rapidly developing as they modernize and expand their fleet. We also must understand how to engage with the PLA Navy in a manner that is constructive for all parties involved and demonstrates respect and adherence to established international norms of maritime conduct. I hope our witnesses can provide insight to these key issues. I would like to thank our distinguished panel of witnesses for appearing before the subcommittee today. And we have testifying before us Dr. Andrew Erickson, associate professor at the China Maritime Studies Institute of the U.S. Naval War College; Mr. Ronald O'Rourke, specialist in naval affairs at the Congressional Research Service; Dr. Seth Cropsey, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute; and Mr. Jim Thomas, vice president and director of studies at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. We look forward to your testimony. And with that, I would like to turn to my good friend Mike McIntyre, but I understand he is not here. So, Mr. Courtney, I will recognize you for any remarks you would like to make sitting in for Mr. McIntyre. [The prepared statement of Mr. Forbes can be found in the Appendix on page 27.] Mr. Courtney. Thank you, my friend and chairman of the subcommittee, Mr. Forbes, for holding this hearing. In many ways, this is one of the most topical subject matters that we could have for the Congress. Mike had prepared some opening remarks. So, again, what I would just ask is unanimous consent to submit those for the record and look forward to hearing from the witnesses. [The prepared statement of Mr. McIntyre can be found in the Appendix on page 29.] Mr. Forbes. Without objection, we will make those part of the record. I would also like to recognize my good friend and co-lead for our Asia-Pacific series, the gentlelady from Hawaii, Ms. Colleen Hanabusa, for any remarks she may have. Ms. Hanabusa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be very brief. I just want to say that one of the things that a good friend of mine who has passed and a great mentor, Senator Inouye, told me, I think it is very appropriate for these hearings. He had said to me, he says, you know, after World War II, the United States dominated the seven seas. He said, if we do that now, he says, I would be really surprised. He says, but, he says, never forget the one thing: We will always dominate the deep blue sea. So with that, I look forward to hearing from all of you. Thank you very much. Mr. Forbes. Thank you, Colleen. And now we will start. And I don't know which order we want. Mr. Thomas, were you going to start, or Dr. Erickson? Okay. Dr. Erickson, they will let you start, and we thank you once again for your patience in being here with us, and we look forward to your remarks. STATEMENT OF DR. ANDREW ERICKSON, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, CHINA MARITIME STUDIES INSTITUTE, U.S. NAVAL WAR COLLEGE Dr. Erickson. Chairman Forbes, Congressman Courtney, distinguished members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity. I am testifying as an individual, not as a representative of the U.S. Navy. While I have submitted a detailed statement for the record, allow me to highlight the issues I believe are most pertinent to the subcommittee's vital work. In contrast to ongoing limitations, shared interests, and even opportunities for cooperation far away, China's navy and other services are achieving formidable anti-access/area- denial, A2/AD, capabilities closer to shore. Beijing seeks to wield this growing might to carve out in the Yellow, East, and South China Seas an airspace above them, a zone of exceptionalism within which existing global security, legal, and resource management norms are subordinated to its parochial national interests. This threatens to weaken the global system on which all nations' security and prosperity depends, and to destabilize a vital but vulnerable region that remains haunted by history. To ensure that Beijing cannot use force or the threat of force to change the status quo in the Asia-Pacific, the U.S. must maintain military capabilities to deter any threatening or aggressive actions by China, even as the two nations cooperate in areas of shared interest. Given the inherent defensiveness of the U.S. approach, it should be possible to meet core objectives at an affordable price through the most critical timeframe, likely over the coming decade, with a bottom-line strategy of deterrence by denial. Washington must be careful not to compete with Beijing in excessively expensive and ultimately ineffective arms competitions. It should not counter China's A2/AD weapons by attempting to acquire a more sophisticated counter in each and every instance. It must also avoid the temptation to embrace approaches such as mainland strikes that would be unduly escalatory or counterproductive and lack the credibility to deter Beijing through their threatened use over issues in the East and South China Seas, given a disparity of national interests. A distant blockade, also escalatory, is likewise unfeasible because of the logistical difficulty of implementation in a dynamic commercial world. Instead, as China works to deny U.S. forces an ability to operate close to the mainland, the U.S. aim at a minimum should be to deny China the ability to resolve territorial and maritime disputes by the use of force. To resolve disputes conclusively, China would have to seize and hold territory as well as resupply its forces. This is inherently difficult on small islands, where geography imposes vulnerability. To demonstrate that China cannot achieve this, and thereby deter it from ever trying to do so, the U.S. and its allies should maximize disruption capabilities, their own form of A2/ AD. The U.S. should, therefore, develop, deploy, and demonstrate in a measured, targeted fashion the capability to deny China the ability to seize and hold offshore territories. Here some pages can be taken from China's own A2/AD playbook. Military capabilities are based on a complex system of hardware and software. Amid this, certain platforms and weapons offer disproportionate benefits, including submarines, missiles, and sea mines. The tight fiscal environment and threat timeline places a premium on deploying and maintaining existing platforms and weapons systems with proven technologies in limited numbers as rapidly and effectively as possible. The most promising approach is to hold and build on formidable U.S. undersea advantages to which China lacks effective countermeasures and would have to invest vastly disproportionate resources in a slow, likely futile effort to close the gap. It is, therefore, essential to ensure the present two-a-year construction rate of Virginia-class nuclear- powered attack submarines, SSNs, ideal for denying the ability to China to hold and resupply any forcefully seized islands. The Virginia payload module allows for useful increases in missile capacity. Given China's ongoing limitations in antisubmarine warfare and the inherent difficulty of progressing in this field, China could spend many times the cost of these SSNs and still not be able to counter them effectively. Additionally, more can be done to better equip U.S. platforms, such as submarines. The U.S. should do far more with missiles, particularly with anti-ship cruise missiles. Recent tests of the long-range anti-ship missile, LRASM, represent a step in the right direction, but more ought to be done in this regard. Offensive naval mine warfare is another underexploited area that offers maximum bang for the buck. U.S. submarines can oppose any Chinese naval forces engaged in an invasion, resupply, and protection. Long-range air or missile delivery can blow any lodgement off disputed islands or rocks. To be sure, both U.S. SSNs and LRASMs and Chinese A2/AD forces could achieve denial effects. Long-range surface-to-air and air missiles from both sides might hold air operations over the features in question at risk, prevent continuous operations, or even fully create a no man's land. U.S. forces other than SSNs might not be able to operate without assuming great risk and hence be denied unfettered access. But Chinese forces would also not have access and would thereby be denied their objective of seizing and holding disputed territory. Demonstrating this to China would be an effective deterrent. Beijing could not afford to risk the likelihood of not achieving its objective in this regard. By adopting this deterrence-by-denial strategy, the U.S. can continue to preserve the peace in the Asia-Pacific, which has prospered during nearly seven decades of American protection. No other nation has the capability and lack of territorial claims necessary to play this still vital role. Thank you very much for your attention and for your continuing support for U.S. seapower. I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Dr. Erickson can be found in the Appendix on page 31.] Mr. Forbes. Thank you, Dr. Erickson. And, Mr. O'Rourke, we welcome you back to this committee, and we appreciate your taking the time, look forward to your remarks. STATEMENT OF RONALD O'ROURKE, SPECIALIST IN NAVAL AFFAIRS, CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE Mr. O'Rourke. Chairman Forbes and Representatives Courtney, Hanabusa, and Conaway, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss China's naval modernization effort. Chairman Forbes, with your permission, I would like to submit my statement for the record and summarize it here in a few brief remarks. Mr. Forbes. Each of our witnesses' statements will be submitted, without objection, to the record. Mr. O'Rourke. Top-level U.S. strategic considerations related to China's naval modernization effort include, among other things, the following: preventing the emergence of a regional hegemon in one part of Eurasia or another; preserving the U.S.-led international order that has operated since World War II; fulfilling U.S. treaty obligations; shaping the Asia- Pacific region; and having a military strategy for China. China's naval modernization effort appears aimed at producing a regionally powerful navy with a limited but growing ability to conduct operations in more distant waters. A near- term focus of China's naval modernization effort has been to develop military options for addressing the situation with Taiwan. Observers also believe that China's naval modernization effort is increasingly oriented toward additional goals, including the following: asserting or defending China's maritime territorial claims; enforcing China's view that it has the legal right to regulate foreign military activities in its exclusive economic zone; protecting China's sea lines of communications; protecting and evacuating Chinese nationals in foreign countries; displacing U.S. influence in the Pacific; and asserting China's status as a major world power. Consistent with these goals, observers believe China wants its military to be capable of acting as an A2/AD force. China's actions in recent years have suggested to some observers that China is pursuing an overarching goal of gaining greater control of China's near-seas region and of breaking out into the Pacific. If China were to achieve a position of being able to exert control over access to and activities within the near-seas region, it would have major implications for top- level U.S. strategic considerations. It would constitute a major step toward China becoming a regional hegemon, pose a significant challenge to the preservation of the post-World War II international order, and substantially complicate the ability of the United States to fulfill treaty obligations to countries in the region and to shape the region's future. It would amount to a fundamental reordering of the Asia-Pacific security situation. Some observers have posited that China's growing capabilities will at some point compel U.S. Navy surface ships to remain outside China's A2/AD perimeter. That is far from clear, however, as the Navy has numerous options it can pursue for breaking the kill chains of China's maritime A2/AD weapons. Electromagnetic rail gun and high-powered lasers can be the U.S. Navy's own game changers for countering Chinese capabilities. To field such systems, the Navy would need to not only continue their development, but also procure ships with integrated electric drive systems or some other means of providing enough electrical power to support them. The Navy's 30-year shipbuilding plan currently does not include any surface combatants that will clearly have enough electrical power to support lasers with more than a certain amount of strength. The geographic expanse of the Asia-Pacific and the potential advantages of being able to outrange Chinese systems when needed may focus attention on the option of acquiring long-range to carrier-based aircraft, such as the UCLASS [Unmanned Carrier-Launched Airborne Surveillance and Strike] manned aircraft, and long-range weapons such as the long-range anti-ship missile and a long-range air-to-air missile. Navy attack submarines can operate effectively well inside China's surface and air A2/AD perimeter. This can focus attention not only on the procurement of Virginia-class attack submarines, but also on other options for expanding the capabilities of the attack submarine force, such as the Virginia payload module. Operations by Chinese Coast Guard ships for asserting and defending China's maritime territorial claims close to the Philippines often go uncountered by equivalent Philippine forces because the Philippines has relatively few such ships. This may focus attention on the option of accelerating actions for expanding and modernizing the Philippines maritime defense and law enforcement capabilities. None of this precludes cooperating with China in maritime operations in areas where the two countries may have shared interests, such as antipiracy operations, search-and-rescue operations, and humanitarian assistance and disaster response operations. Such operations can provide an opportunity for demonstrating to China the benefits that China receives from the current international order and China's interest in preserving that order. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my statement. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and I look forward to the subcommittee's questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. O'Rourke can be found in the Appendix on page 47.] Mr. Forbes. Thank you, Mr. O'Rourke. Dr. Cropsey. STATEMENT OF DR. SETH CROPSEY, SENIOR FELLOW, HUDSON INSTITUTE Dr. Cropsey. Mr. Chairman, Congressman Courtney, distinguished members of the committee, it is an honor to speak before this committee. Thank you for your invitation. As dangerous as the threats posed by jihadism are, so far they don't approach the risks of open confrontation between the United States and the Soviet Union in the cold war. But the likelihood is that we will again face a larger challenge than the one the jihadists now present. No one is a better candidate to offer such a challenge than China, which is not to say that China is an enemy, or to predict that China will become an enemy. But it is clear the Chinese leaders are ambitious, and that their diplomatic policy and their military armament are moving them toward great power status, or at least regional hegemony, in a series of small steps designed to achieve these ends with minimal resistance from their Pacific competitors, America's allies. The U.S. is not taking this possibility as seriously as it should. This is different from the America of the 1920s and 1930s. The generation that had experienced a World War learned the hard way why strategy was needed to be prepared for whatever the future might bring. Then, U.S. anticipated a potential future threat from Japan and acted to prepare for such a threat. In what was known as, as you know, War Plan Orange, U.S. military leadership devised and tested its strategy for a potential conflict with Japan, which evolved with new technology and tactics during the interwar period. It incorporated the critical roles of aircraft carriers and submarines, amphibious warfare, an island-hopping campaign, all of them new, in any potential Pacific conflict. The linchpin of this plan was the doctrine of ``advanced base'' strategy, the idea developed and exhaustively tested during the interwar period that a Pacific conflict with Japan could be won by securing the outlying archipelagos and islands of the theater. This would take place by amphibious assault that would secure American bases from which to launch offensive operations further and further into enemy territory. At the same time, it would deny the enemy territory from which to do the same. The result, the U.S. military had a strategy when the conflict broke out, one whose familiarity to officers improved its execution, and which was, in fact, highly successful. We have no such strategy toward China today. Diplomatically, the closest we have come is the long-standing effort that existed since the administration of George H.W. Bush to persuade China to become a stakeholder in the international system. One of the most fundamental principles of that system is respect for untrammeled navigation through international waters and airspace. The events of the past few weeks, as China declared an Air Defense Identification Zone over a large section of the East China Sea, show that they have no such respect. So, while efforts to persuade China to become a stakeholder in the international order should not be abandoned, we ought to understand that those efforts have proved of limited value in generating any positive effect on Chinese international behavior. To the extent that any American strategy hangs on our and the international community's attempt to transform China into a state that accepts the general principles of the international order, it has been a failure. The Obama administration's much publicized pivot to Asia is not a strategy for dealing with China. It is an idea which, if sensibly implemented, would preserve and increase our influence in the region. But so far all the hard power of the pivot is a minor element of the administration's preference for using soft power. The hard power consists of a Marine contingent in northern Australia that remains much smaller than the envisioned 2,500 Marine rotational force, eventually 4 littoral combat ships to be based in Singapore, and, as you know, a U.S. military budget that is being whittled away at a rate that alarms our allies in Asia and the rest of the world. A successful pivot to Asia would require more cooperation, especially with our Asia treaty allies, the most important of which is Japan. In the current and potentially risky matter of the People's Republic's recently declared Air Defense Identification Zone, Japan had said, as you know, that its commercial airliners would not identify themselves when passing through the airspace in question. At the same time, the State Department of the United States has urged American commercial flights to comply with the zone. I would not call this cooperation. China, by its own admission and actions, wants to deny us access to large parts of the Western Pacific. The Defense Department's response, a large part of it so far, has been a set of ideas, as you know, called the Air-Sea Battle [ASB]. The ASB itself is a plan for greater cooperation between the military services in gaining access where a potential enemy would deny it. Much like the pivot, or rebalance, it is not based on a strategy, and it is not a strategy toward China. In fact, as you know, it makes no mention of China. China's leaders are more tolerant of risk than the Soviet leaders were. The ASB talks about blinding a potential enemy's surveillance, reconnaissance, and intelligence capabilities. In China's case, this would mean striking targets on the mainland. The wisdom of this should be questioned. But the U.S. is not doing anything to turn even that idea into a strategic plan. There are other possible strategic approaches to the same problem of access denial; however, the first question that needs to be considered is what is the objective of any strategy toward China, and my colleagues here have already mentioned that. I agree with them. The answer is the same as our objective in World War I, World War II, and the cold war. In each of those, our objective was to prevent the rise of a hegemonic power on the European Continent. With China, our objective ought to be to prevent the rise of an Asian hegemon, a power that would destroy the current U.S. alliance system in Asia, dominate the world's most populous region economically and militarily, and perhaps extend itself into Eurasia and beyond. As in the U.S.'s experience in Europe, our first diplomatic objective in executing a strategy that seeks to prevent the rise of an Asian hegemon should be to establish an alliance of like-minded nations. This is very difficult because of ancient enmities in the region. But as the threat from China grows, current realities might eclipse fear. An important part of U.S. strategy toward China should be to prepare the groundwork now for such an alliance, one which establishes contingencies for repatriating allied business interests on the mainland back to allied countries, so as to exert economic pressure on the PRC [People's Republic of China] in the event of a conflict. As for the immediate problem of access denial, which does indeed require strategy to counter, there are approaches which don't require an attack on China's mainland. One would be to destroy the Chinese Navy at sea. Another would be to impose a blockade on Chinese merchant and naval shipping. Like the ASB, neither of these are being looked at as possible military strategies toward China, nor, as Dr. Erickson pointed out, the idea of denying them use of the islands, the disputed islands. What is clear is that any strategy to counter China's increasing access-denial capabilities should prioritize deterrence--which means readiness, sustainability, and overmatching firepower and defense--and be built upon an integration of the ground forces necessary to control the outlying islands, archipelagos, littorals, and straits of the Pacific with the naval and air power necessary to control the air and seas. Such a strategy should also include an increased focus on missile defense to protect civil and military infrastructure, sea and airports, and mobile warfare capabilities. And it should, I think, above all, be designed to give the U.S. the power to assemble a durable forward defense in the event of a long war. But however one regards these strategic ideas, the fact remains that we don't have any strategy toward the most populous nation in the world, one whose economic strength is considerable and in tandem with the military power its leaders are gradually accumulating to match their ambitions. My colleagues who are testifying here this afternoon are offering a thoughtful account of the hardware and tactics that support those ambitions. This needs to figure in our strategy as clearly as it does in China's. Thank you for the opportunity to address this committee, Mr. Chairman, and I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Dr. Cropsey can be found in the Appendix on page 67.] Mr. Forbes. Thank you, Doctor. Mr. Thomas. STATEMENT OF JIM THOMAS, VICE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF STUDIES, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND BUDGETARY ASSESSMENTS Mr. Thomas. Chairman Forbes, Ranking Member McIntyre, and distinguished members of the subcommittee, let me add my thanks for convening these important hearings and inviting me to testify today. I will discuss key priorities for the PLA's naval modernization program and then turn to their implications for U.S. and allied operational and force planning. To begin, I think it is worth recalling just how far the PLA has come over the past decade. Chinese defense spending has increased from an estimated $45-$60 billion in 2003 to $135- $215 billion today, roughly 25 to 40 percent of what DOD [Department of Defense] spends annually on our defense. Unlike the United States, however, with its competing global security responsibilities, China is able to focus its resources almost entirely on supporting its regional counterintervention strategy, which emphasizes the buildup of anti-access and area- denial, or A2/AD, capabilities and its ability to conduct short, decisive campaigns before an outside party like the United States could intervene effectively. A decade ago China was also heavily reliant on Russian assistance and its armaments, but has increasingly shifted towards indigenous design and production. It is rapidly building up a modern submarine force while retiring its older submarines. Its advanced guided-missile destroyers represent a major improvement in fleet air defense and, along with advanced submarines, will allow China to protect its aircraft carriers while pushing its naval perimeter farther out into the Pacific. China is also fielding an armada of fast, smaller combatants armed with anti-ship missiles. Their numbers could create a significant tracking and targeting problem and make it far more difficult for foreign surface forces to safely approach within 200 nautical miles of China's coast. The PLA Navy also now operates more than 100 modern land- based strike fighters, equipped with sophisticated avionics, sensors, and advanced air-to-air as well as anti-ship missiles that could be used to overwhelm the defensive countermeasures of U.S. and allied naval forces operating within their reach. Finally, although it is not technically part of its naval modernization program, China has placed priority on the development of an anti-ship ballistic missile. The DF-21D [Dong-Feng 21D] reached initial operating capability in 2010 and has a range exceeding 930 miles. Its maneuverable warhead is optimized to attack large surface combatants, such as aircraft carriers, underway. The cumulative effect of all of these modernization efforts is that the military balance in the Western Pacific is shifting perceptibly, while U.S. costs to project power into the region are rising. There is no single silver-bullet approach to preserve the regional military balance. No one action alone can do it. Instead, the United States and its allies will have to undertake a combination of efforts to demonstrate their defensive strength in the face of China's challenge, including steps to, number one, counter hostile communications, command and control, computers, and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance networks by being able to conduct operations to degrade them, disrupt them, or spoof them. These efforts would help to reduce the PLA's ability to effectively employ their missiles against friendly forces. Ideally, this could be done with nonkinetic activities that don't require strikes on the mainland of China. But at the same time, I think it is probably imprudent to rule out such strikes as they contribute to our deterrent. Number two, we should be able to sustain operations inside hostile A2/AD envelopes by hardening our airbases against attack, improving our air and missile defenses, including with next-generation air defenses, as Mr. O'Rourke discussed, such as solid-state lasers and electromagnetic rail guns. It will also require the development of novel operating concepts as the U.S. Air Force and Marine Corps are now pursuing to facilitate distributed air operations from cluster airbases and ad hoc forward arming and refueling points for short-takeoff and vertical-landing aircraft. Number three, our forces will also need to be able to operate from beyond the range of hostile A2/AD networks. By increasing the range and payload and stealth of our carrier as well as our land-based aircraft, the strike payloads of our submarine force, and also developing newer long-range missile systems for both land attack and anti-ship missions, such as the long-range anti-ship missile. Number four, I believe our forces will need to build up allied and partner anti-access and area-denial capabilities to defend their own sovereignty by conducting air and sea denial operations, especially around the first island chain and in Southeast Asia. The U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps in particular may have prominent roles to play in helping build up partners' air and sea denial capacities. And last, number five, I think the United States does need to be able to be prepared to conduct peripheral operations by capitalizing on the U.S.--the United States air and naval mastery beyond the reach of potential adversaries' A2/AD systems to conduct indirect, peripheral operations, like distant blockades. In closing, PLA naval modernization and the contested maritime environment it is creating offers a lens for evaluating U.S. strategic choices in a time of austerity with the objective of ensuring the U.S. military prioritizes the most viable elements of its forces to remain in the power projection business. That is why these hearings are so important. Thank you, and I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Thomas can be found in the Appendix on page 74.] Mr. Forbes. We thank all of our witnesses. I am going to defer my questions until the end. So I am going to recognize Mr. Conaway for 5 minutes. Mr. Conaway. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, thank you for being here. Mr. Erickson and Mr. O'Rourke both talked about just the mere presence of a very strong submarine capability would somehow influence the Chinese to not put soldiers on all these outlying islands that they are trying to claim. But yet at the same time, we have just recently seen that they very effectively said--declared an air superiority zone that has now threatened commercial air traffic. And I guess commercial air traffic has actually left the area, and we are still running our planes through there. Two questions. One, what did you think the Chinese were trying to accomplish by the air superiority issue and--not superiority, but--the air dominance or assertion of airspace, what were they trying to accomplish with that? And how do you distinguish that bold move and our lack of response there to what a potential landing on one of these small rocks out there that is currently uninhabited and us actually using a submarine to do whatever it is you two guys think we would do to stop the Chinese in that regard? Dr. Erickson. Yes, Congressman, you have raised two very important issues here. And I think we have seen a very regrettable approach from China in terms of how they rolled out their Air Defense Identification Zone [ADIZ] in the East China Sea. I think this is related to a larger effort that I described to try to establish a zone of exceptionalism within the Yellow Sea, the East China Sea, and the South China Sea, an area in which they can try to subordinate international norms that undergird the effectiveness of the global system to their own national interests in a way that is not in concert with international law. I think there already has been a positive element of U.S. response. The B-52s being dispatched from Guam, I think, sends a very clear message that an ADIZ does not give one the right to regulate others' freedoms in that airspace. I think it is a different issue when we are talking about what submarines can deter and what submarines can do vis-a-vis these disputed territories whose status should not be resolved through the use of force or the threat of force. The capability of submarines speaks to operational situations that go beyond the peacetime scenario that we are seeing with the Air Defense Identification Zone. So demonstrating, if necessary, in a worst-case scenario the ability to use these submarines to prevent and to stop and to roll back that kind of seizure of territory, I think, can nevertheless be quite effective. Mr. Conaway. How will they prevent stopping? Dr. Erickson. The use of the submarines and their affiliated weapons systems can literally, if necessary---- Mr. Conaway. The system has got to be fired. You can't just simply pop up on the top of the ocean there from a submerged position and stop something; you have actually got to go kinetic, don't you? Dr. Erickson. Yes. If necessary, as a last resort in a worst-case scenario, that is exactly what the submarines are good for. And even better news is the fact that demonstrating that credible capability should be enough to prevent China from engaging in the behavior that would necessitate such a response. I think that is how the U.S. can preserve deterrence and keep the peace in the region, even with this tremendous uptick in Chinese A2/AD capability. Mr. O'Rourke. I think the commentary about the ADIZ has included speculation as to various goals that China may have had in mind in announcing the zone. A lot of the commentary mentioned the fact that it was intended, as these people saw it, in part to strengthen China's position in the dispute over the sovereignty of the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands. A second goal that appears in a lot of the commentary is to generally strengthen or reinforce China's influence over activities in that part of the near-seas region generally, and as a part of that, perhaps, to challenge the international norms relating to freedom of operation on the high seas and international airspace. Some of the commentaries included other goals as well, such as driving a wedge between us and Japan or putting the United States in the position of being a mediator. Mr. Conaway. In your statement, do you actually see that working? In other words, is China accomplishing their goals? Mr. O'Rourke. The opinions right now are mixed from what I have seen in people's reaction and commentary. Some people think that China's ADIZ has backfired for China by angering many of its neighbors and perhaps encouraging greater cooperation among the other countries in that region with the United States. Other people see that China has had some success, because, frankly, they don't care about that as long as they achieve their goal in terms of establishing a new reality on the ground or in the air. The question you relate to earlier about the role of submarines has to do with the fact that this is very much a three-dimensional game: It is taking place in the air; it is taking place on the ground, in the case of these territories in the near-seas area; and also on the water and under the water. It is taking place in connection with wartime scenarios and scenarios that are short of full war, such as what we are seeing with the generalized pressure and initiatives that China is placing on its neighbors regarding how it would like to see its disputes with these territories resolved. The submarines play in part of that, and they don't play in other parts. So it depends on what your scenario is. Mr. Conaway. My time has expired. But I don't see China being unduly impressed with our air capabilities and, hence, this air identification zone that they have declared. So I am not as confident that they are all that worried about our submarines out there. So, anyway, thank you all for your-all's opinion. Yield back. Mr. Forbes. Thank you, Mr. Conaway. Ms. Hanabusa is recognized for 5 minutes. Ms. Hanabusa. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think one of the things that I am getting from all of your testimonies, and thank you all for being here, is that there seems to be a lack of strategy. And you are all coming up with different ideas, but there is no overarching strategy about what to do. Having said that, Mr. O'Rourke, in reading your testimony, the thing I was struck about is that you made a clear statement about the fact that if we go below the 306 number in terms of our fleet, that we are going to have a major problem. Then you go on a couple of pages later and you talk about the fleet architecture, which then seems to me, okay, we are talking about this number, 306, but we are also talking about with A2/ AD that what we need to start to think about is the fleet architecture, what would be the best architecture that we would have in the region. So can you tell me, 306, fleet architecture, what exactly--I mean, if we had to choose between one or the other, what would prevail between them? Mr. O'Rourke. That is a great question. The 306 is, as you know, not just a number per se, it is not just a one- dimensional figure, it is a figure that has a lot of dimensions embedded into it, including the currently planned fleet architecture. There is a debate under way as to whether that architecture is the most appropriate one for ensuring our interests, especially in that part of the world, especially in the face of A2/AD systems in the future, especially in a situation of constrained defense resources. That debate is under way. It has been gaining steam. How it is eventually resolved is not yet certain at this point, although for the time being, of course, the program of record stands. If we were to switch to a different fleet architecture, we wouldn't be talking about the 306 number anymore. It would be some other number that reflected the mix of ships that we would then be planning at that point. If the fleet falls short of 306, and we stick with the current architecture, and this happens because of constraints on defense, then one of the points I made in my testimony is that the Navy at that point would have options for trying to enhance the forward presence of the fleet that it did have, whether that was a fleet of 280- something or 250-something or less. Those options include a greater degree of forward homeporting, greater use of lengthened deployments, greater use of multiple crewing and crew rotation. All those options have certain costs associated with them, and they would have to be considered very carefully. So there are trade-offs involved here. But I think what your question does is it pinpoints the fact that there is a nexus between the number that we might quote and what kind of fleet that we are talking about, and that there is a discussion under way about what that should be, especially in the context of constraints on defense forces and rising A2/AD capabilities. Ms. Hanabusa. Mr. O'Rourke, in the beginning part of your testimony, you talk about the fact that you have been following and studying China since the 1980s. And I was surprised to know that since 2005 your report has been amended, like, 90 times plus. But the focus since 1980 for yourself has been China. So given that we are here to talk about China and its naval modernization, and that is really--if we are being honest about what we are doing and what we are studying, that is what we are talking about; we are talking about China's modernization and how it affects us. But one of the testimonies here is saying that what we are allowing to happen to us is that China is defining what we are then doing. So do you see that as we look at the fleet architecture, and as we look at the number 306 or whatever that number would be, that we are really looking as responding to what we may foresee as a threat to China and how to best combat that or be prepared for that? Is that what the underlying, I guess, the threshold that we are going to be dealing with? Mr. O'Rourke. The debate over fleet architecture has been occasioned in part, in large part, by what China is doing and the challenge that observers see that posing to the future of the Navy and U.S. military generally. Not only China, though; it has to do in part with what other countries, particularly Iran, is doing in terms of its A2/AD forces in the Persian Gulf region. But, yes, that is the dynamic that we are in right now. Other nations are rising in terms of their military capabilities. They are doing so in a certain way, and that is causing us to ask whether we are currently on the proper path for responding to that. Ms. Hanabusa. And you did mention Iran also in your testimony. It was ``China parens (Iran)'' and ``A2/AD.'' So I guess the question is do you see a point where the United States is the power--we are not talking about a hegemonic power. We are trying to prevent a hegemonic power, a hegemon, from developing in Asia. But notwithstanding, it seems like we are reacting to others versus others reacting to us. Would that be a correct statement? Mr. O'Rourke. I think that is certainly a good issue to raise. In devising our strategy, whatever it may be, we should ask ourselves whether we are simply reacting to what the other side is doing or instead also posing a challenge that the other side has to react to. If the United States is in a situation of only reacting to what the other side is doing, then what in the long run is the best we can do in that situation? If we do not put into the mix our own initiatives that pose problems for the other side, and we restrict ourselves only to reacting to what the other side is, how well can we do in the long run? I think that is a question we need to ask ourselves and keep in the back of our mind. Ms. Hanabusa. It comes back to strategy. Mr. Chair, I know that it is not blinking, but I am pretty sure my time is up. Thank you very much. Mr. Forbes. Thank you, Ms. Hanabusa. Mr. Courtney is recognized. Mr. Courtney. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Erickson, when you talked about that sort of disruption strategy as a smarter response than sort of a full-blown arms race or, you know, tit-for-tat kind of approach to China's buildup, undersea seemed to be sort of the domain that you, I think, stressed was where we have an advantage and also a better capability to employ that strategy. You know, the Office of Naval Intelligence is saying, however, that China is building up its own submarine fleet, and that they are going to have 60 submarines in the relatively near future. And I guess the question is if your strategy, you know, is the approach that the U.S. adopts, is our inventory adequate to execute it, even with the two-sub-a-year build rate that you mentioned in your remarks? Dr. Erickson. Sir, those are excellent questions, and I think they cut right to the heart of the matter of how we should be prepared to execute what I would advocate, the strategy of deterrence by denial, which--I call it a bottom- line strategy because I see as the bottom line we ought to be able to do this. There is a lot more that I hope we could be able to do on top of that to include peacetime shaping and other capabilities, but at a minimum I think we need to be able to do this to keep the peace over time in the region. You are absolutely right to refer to analyses that suggest that the number of Chinese submarines will continue to increase. Obviously, the vast majority of those will be focused on the immediate region as opposed to U.S. submarines and other forces which are dispersed around the world. And even more than quantity, it is the quality that will continue to increase. So this is very significant. What I should stress, though, is that this increased submarine numbers and presence by China does not automatically translate into across-the-board antisubmarine warfare [ASW] capabilities. In fact, my colleague William Murray at the Naval War College calls Chinese approaches to their conventionally powered submarines making them aquatic tells or aquatic transporter erector launchers; in other words, a large focus on missile firing. And if you look at photographs available, you will see some load-outs that have a high ratio of anti-ship cruise missiles to torpedoes. My point there is, yes, China is putting a big focus on submarines, but I don't think that negates the points that I was making about ASW being a major vulnerability that we can target in this regard. What I do think this highlights, though, is in order to make sure we have that ASW capability, we do need to emphasize certainly keeping the current build rate on Virginia-class submarines. And I am not an expert on this subject per se, but I would say look at the great studies by CBO [Congressional Budget Office] and others. The number of U.S. SSNs in the outyears going forward, I think, is something we have to keep our eyes on very closely. I don't know what the exact number is, but if that gets too low, it is really going to have a negative impact on our ability to hold this bottom-line strategy. And I can tell you that Chinese publications, including some fairly serious publications, look very seriously at these issues. So by even having these reports come out that our numbers may get that low for SSNs, we are sending a powerful message to China in that regard, whether we intend to or not, and it is not necessarily a message that works in our favor. Mr. O'Rourke. Just as a quick addendum to what Andrew said, even at two per year, as you know, we will experience a shortfall in the attack submarine force in the 2020s relative to the 48-boat force level goal that forms part of the 306-ship fleet. And the other thing I would say is that there is nothing physically limiting us to two per year. Two per year is the current program of record over the next few years before we get into the Ohio replacement years, at any rate. But there is nothing saying that physically that you couldn't do more than two. You could talk about three per year if you wanted, if you felt it was a high enough priority, if you felt that was the right thing to do, and you wanted to shift the resources into that. Mr. Courtney. Thank you. Yield back. Mr. Forbes. Thank you, Joe. Mr. Langevin. Mr. Langevin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank our witnesses for being here today and sharing your insights with us. So obviously today's budgetary constraints are familiar to all of us, and some of the hardest decisions that we are going to make will be basically trade-offs between the highly capital-intensive investments in platform modernization. And in the context of the focus on the Asia-Pacific region and the PLA's modernization, what military capabilities should we be prioritizing, developing, or maintaining? And, in particular, are we making strong enough investments in sub service and autonomous systems as well as maybe so-called a game-changer, next-generation technology such as directed energy and electromagnetic rail guns? Now, Mr. Thomas, you kind of touched on some of these things. Maybe we could start with you. Mr. Thomas. Thank you, Congressman. I think you already put your finger on two of the things I put on the top of my list, which is doing everything we can to maximize the stealth and the weapons capacity of our manned submarines, and at the same time accelerating development of complementary unmanned underwater vehicle capabilities. And how these will work is essentially an undersea family of systems, just as we are building a long-range strike family of systems in the air today. I think the second area is looking at game changers in terms of how we are going to do air and missile defense in the future not only for the fleet, but how we will protect forces ashore. Electromagnetic rail gun as well as solid-state lasers are two potential directions that we could be pursuing. One of the things that is so attractive about these systems is, in fact, their ability to free up vertical launch system tubes on our surface combatants so we can focus more on offensive strike power, land-attack missiles, anti-ship missiles, and less on the air and missile defense mission. This is a broader concern with our naval investments as a whole, which is increasingly we are focusing more on our own self- defense and less on the offensive striking power that we can bring to bear for deterrence. The third area that I would point out really is the transformation of the carrier air wing. How do we extend the reach of that carrier air wing through unmanned, longer-range, stealthier, and greater payload systems so that our carriers can operate beyond the range of anti-ship ballistic missiles and other threats to them and still maintain their punch? And the last I would say is an area that is two interrelated areas that don't get a lot of attention and aren't terribly sexy. One is our fleet logistics that I think we are probably underinvested in terms of fleet logistics to support forward operations. And related to that is both the types of munitions that we have, that we are going to need longer-range munitions, stealthier munitions, hypersonic munitions. But we are also going to need a greater magazine of them. And we have got to find a way to reload our combatants, particularly our submarines at sea, so that we can keep them on station longer. Submarines are great, and they have a lot of advantages, but one of them is they have a very small magazine, and they have to return to ports. If we could overcome that problem technologically, I think that would a game changer also. Mr. Langevin. On that point do you have suggestions of how we would actually undertake that kind of a---- Mr. Thomas. I am not an engineer, but I think the idea of rather than switching out missile per tube to actually think of entire missile sets of VLS [vertical launch system] cells that you could switch out en masse might be part of that. But I think we have a long way to go. It is a well-recognized problem, but we haven't solved it yet. Mr. Langevin. Thank you. Mr. O'Rourke, do you have anything that you wanted to add? Mr. O'Rourke. Yes. In terms of expanding the capabilities of the attack submarine force, we have already talked about the option of building Virginia-class boats, we have talked about the Virginia payload module. There are a couple of other things you could put on that list if you wanted to put more money into that area, and some of which we are already doing, and that would be to further the development of submarine-launched unmanned air vehicles and submarine-launched unmanned underwater vehicles to extend the eyes and the ears and the reach of the attack submarines. Then I also want to call out one program that already is under way to modernize our existing Los Angeles-class attack submarines, and that is the Acoustic Rapid COTs [commercial- off-the-shelf] Insertion Program, or the A-R-C-I, ARCI, program. This is a very important program for getting increased utility out of our existing Los Angeles-class attack submarines in terms of their sonar signal processing. It makes them better boats, and that is important because they will continue to constitute a large share of the attack submarine force going many years into the future. In terms of the air wing, we talked earlier about the UCLASS. We have talked about the issue of payloads for their airplanes. And one that I did call out in my testimony and I will repeat it here is the option of a new generation of long- range air-to-air missile. When we were encountering what was then called the Soviet sea-denial force, and what in today's terminology we would refer to as the Soviet A2/AD force, we had the F-14 armed with the Phoenix long-range air-to-air missile, and that was going to be succeeded by a next-generation long- range air-to-air missile called the Advanced Air-to-Air Missile, or the AAAM. That missile was under development in the late 1980s going into the early 1990s when it was cancelled as a result of the end of the cold war. But if you want to extend the reach of the strike fighters that will continue to make up a large share of the carrier air wings alongside whatever UCLASSs we eventually deploy, then you would want to look at air-to-air refueling for those strike fighters, and you would also want to look at the option of giving them a next-generation long-range air-to-air missile, which they currently do not have. They only have a medium-range missile. So that would be a couple of other possibilities. Mr. Langevin. Okay. And let me move on to just one other question. Then I will yield back. We touched on this already, but the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence does project an unclassified assessment that China will have between 313 and 342 submarines and surface combatants by 2020. Approximately 60 of those would be submarines, potentially, that are able to employ submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missiles or anti-ship cruise missiles. My question is do you believe that the projected U.S. Navy attack submarine inventory will be able to sufficiently counter the submarine inventory of the PLA Navy? Mr. O'Rourke. That goes back to the issue I discussed earlier about the shortfall in the attack submarine force that we will experience in the 2020s going into the early 2030s. That creates a period of increased operational risk for the submarine force and the Navy as a whole. The Navy can attempt to mitigate against that by pushing the maintenance for the submarine into the earlier years and the later years so as to maximize the operational availability of the attack submarine force during that period in question, although that will also bear costs on the submarine force in those years prior to and after. But that is a matter for policymaker judgment about whether that operational risk is acceptable or not, and if it is not, then you have the option of considering adding additional Virginia-class boats into the shipbuilding plan. That has a cost associated with it, and in a period of constrained resources, doing that would mean not doing something else. That is the trade-off that you would have to weigh and decide whether in the end the net result was better. Mr. Langevin. In your professional opinion, is it an unacceptable risk? Mr. O'Rourke. I think that in the long run, that is a policymaker judgment. What I can tell you is that there is some degree of risk, and that during a period of shortfall, whatever that risk is, it will be, other things held equal, greater if you have a period when the shortfall is in play. But whether it is acceptable or not ultimately is something for policymakers to judge based on the input that they get from military professionals. Mr. Langevin. Good. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yield back. Mr. Forbes. Thanks, Jim. I just have three questions and I would like each of your opinions on this. The first one is this: If I could have a little bit larger room here, and I could bring Members of Congress and sit them over here, because obviously they have to weigh in on the resourcing that we are going to do, and I brought our allies over here and I sat representatives from them there, do each of you--you were some of the best experts we could bring on this. You write, you study, you look at it all the time. Could any of you--I am not asking you to do this--but could you articulate a U.S.-China strategy right now that exists for our country, and would you be able to articulate that to Members of Congress or to our allies? Mr. Thomas, we will start with you. Mr. Thomas. Well, I think the short answer is no. And I think we don't have that strategy today. And I think it has to be established on multiple levels. Ultimately we need a grand strategy, which thinks about the problem from an interagency perspective, using all instruments of national power. And this gets to this issue of how we think about buying time and a long-term strategic competition. And then I think it gets down to the military dimension. And it has to start with, you know, an understanding of what our shared objectives are with our allies. What are we trying to accomplish in terms of maintaining the credibility of our security commitments and how we sustain those with the shifting challenges that are posed by China? And then I think it has to get down to the operational level, and here I think it has to provide useful guidance on how we should think about presenting China with a multiplicity of problems that it would have to contemplate before it tried to undertake any form of coercion or aggression. And here, again, I would just underscore the importance of presenting China with a multiplicity of challenges. The harder you make this--it cannot rely on some single silver bullet sort of solution. It is going to take the entire joint force; it is going to take air, surface and undersea, as well as space and cyberspace assets, I believe. Mr. Forbes. But to the best of your knowledge, no such strategy exists right now. Mr. Thomas. Yes, sir. Mr. Forbes. All right. Dr. Cropsey. Dr. Cropsey. No such strategy exists. Forming one is difficult. When President Eisenhower had the problem with the cold war before him and the question of how to deal with the Soviet Union, I think you know he ran the Solarium Project, and he sat in on the meetings himself. At least that is what the record says. Someone with that distinguished a record in strategy felt that it was necessary to bring in a group of advisers and talk the issue through and sit there himself. Probably something like that is needed right now. If you are asking what I think we should do---- Mr. Forbes. Well, I will come back to that another time. I just want to know if we have got one right now. Dr. Cropsey. We do not. Mr. Forbes. Mr. O'Rourke. Mr. O'Rourke. I will give you a two-part answer to that. One is you have the option of examining the classified war plans that we have for that part of the world, and you can decide whether those war plans reflect a strategy for conducting an upper-level war. But to get back to Representative Conaway's point earlier, it is not just a matter of war at the high level, it is a matter of what is happening on the days when we are not at war in the situation short of war that we currently have in the East China Sea and the South China Sea, with this pattern of pressure and tactics short of outright conflict that China is using to pressure and consolidate its control of that area, and it is not clear to me that we have a strategy for that. That is a strategy that really I think needs to involve our allies inherently--it is not something for us to do by ourselves--and which the allies need to play a significant role in. And so when you say do we have a strategy that we can articulate, I don't know about the big war, but at the moment I am just as worried about whether we have a strategy for countering what China is doing in--currently on a day-to-day basis in the situation short of war for putting pressure on its neighbors regarding these maritime territorial issues. Mr. Forbes. Dr. Erickson. Dr. Erickson. This is an excellent point. I could spend a lot of time explaining why I think it is important to have explicit and understandable strategy, but I assure you I won't do that. What I will say is I think the U.S. has an implicit collection of approaches that together can constitute a strategy, but it would be far more effective and clear to all the right people if this were brought together in a more cohesive framework invoked more consistently. I don't know if now is the time, but I can say very briefly what I think that strategy---- Mr. Forbes. I will let you do that another time because we are kind of out of time. Last question I want to pose to each of you, and it is a two-part question, and then we will be done. We have talked about China, and sometimes we think they are 10-foot tall, sometimes we think they are 6-foot tall, but we look at these projections of how much money they are spending for their military buildup. I would like for each of you to tell me, do you think they can sustain this, and if not, why not? And the second thing is, what do you believe is the likely domestic pressure which may force them to do something militarily in the next 10 years as opposed to international pressures that might come on? And, Dr. Erickson, why don't we start with you, and we will work back to Mr. Thomas. Dr. Erickson. Yes, Mr. Chairman. That is an excellent question, and that gets to the strategic issue of how do we approach things. I think many people who are experts on China's economy and domestic issues would agree with the argument increasingly that China is facing a slowdown in the rate of national growth to the point that this coming decade will see increasing pressure and challenges for China to maintain its trajectory in the international system and also domestic support because so much of that has been contingent on economic growth. And I think the risk is, as it becomes more and more difficult to generate a rate of economic growth that is seen as desirable for political purposes, the other main pillar of legitimacy, nationalism, will increase the chance of pursuing not diversionary war per se, but diversionary tension in the Yellow and especially the East and the South China Seas. Mr. Forbes. Mr. O'Rourke. Mr. O'Rourke. I think in recent years there has often been an image of China as a juggernaut that is just going to be growing at some relentless pace, and that this would eventually pose an overwhelming problem. The concern, in fact, may not be that the juggernaut continues and that you can straight-line their growth, but that their growth will bend over and slow down to one degree or another as a result of the buildup of debt in the Chinese economy, bad debt, their demographic issue, the buildup of environmental issues. If that is the case, if their growth line is going to bend downward, and if the Chinese Government is aware of that, they may see the next few years as their period of maximum opportunity for pursuing their goals in the near-seas area. If that is the case, then they are going to be in a hurry. They are not going to see themselves as a situation in which time is necessarily on their side, but one in which time is not necessarily on their side. And if that is the case, it says something about the urgency of the years ahead and about their ability to sustain the kinds of growth and activities that we have seen over the last 30 years. It tends to put a premium on the next decade, which I think in part was what Andrew's presentation was getting at earlier. Mr. Forbes. Dr. Cropsey. Dr. Cropsey. I agree with my colleagues' assessments about the Chinese future. It may not be all rosy. They are going to have problems ahead. But are those problems the kind that will turn China back into the country that it was before Deng Xiaoping? I don't think so. Is China going to revert to a small power with a failing economy and accept Third World status again or something minor? I don't see that in the future at all. So I think that while I agree that they have significant problems ahead, that that does not mean that we can go home and rest easily. Mr. Forbes. Mr. Thomas, we will let you have the last word. Mr. Thomas. Chairman, I think we share an interest with China in the sense that we want a China that is secure and prosperous. But I think there are real questions as we look ahead for China, whether it is demographically and the pressures it faces with the end of cheap labor, the environmental problems that are just enormous that it faces, very heavy municipal debt that I think goes unreported and nonperforming loans, as well as reliance on over-investment and infrastructure for GDP [gross domestic product] growth. So there are an awful lot of pressures out there that are going to require reforms. At the same time, I think the honest answer is we simply don't know what China's future trajectory is going to be in terms of its defense program. I think that a strategy which in part helps us to buy time and manage through this period is probably the right course, but at the same time we have to hedge against continued growth in China's military capabilities. And as far as domestic pressures for external actions, I agree with my colleagues that I think that China's increasing reliance on nationalism in its domestic policies as almost a replacement for a Communist ideology is of real concern because it introduces emotionalism into these discussions over disputed islands and so forth, which can lead to inadvertent escalation. Thank you. Mr. Forbes. Gentlemen, thank you all so much for your work in this area. Thanks for your willingness to help this subcommittee. All of us, I know, appreciate you being here today, your patience with us, and this late hour. And, Mr. Conaway, if you or Ms. Hanabusa have nothing else, we will be adjourned. Thank you. 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FORBES Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that the United States currently possesses a relevant and tangible National Security Strategy, Defense Strategy, and Military Strategy for successfully addressing China's growing regional and global influence? If not, why not? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. Trends in China's defense spending, research and development, and shipbuilding industry suggest China will continue its naval modernization for the foreseeable future and may field the largest fleet of modern submarines and surface combatants in the Western Pacific by 2020. What factors do you recommend decisionmakers consider when determining the necessary and appropriate U.S. military force structure posture to maintain in the Asia-Pacific region? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. The PLA Navy's expanding role in military missions other than war and new willingness to operate beyond China's immediate periphery creates opportunities to enhance maritime cooperation between the United States and China. How do you believe the United States military should leverage these opportunities for increased engagement with the PLA Navy? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. Regarding United States current and planned naval modernization and recapitalization programs, do you believe the Department of the Navy is on the right track to project global power in the foreseeable future for anticipated missions the Department may have to perform in the Asia-Pacific region? What is the Department doing well? What are the gaps? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. The challenges associated with fiscal resource constraints stemming from the Budget Control Act of August 2011 and subsequent sequestration will make it nearly impossible for the Department of the Navy to maintain a sufficient force structure required to meet all global power requirements in the maritime domain. In the context of the ``rebalance to Asia'' strategy, what maritime naval capabilities should decisionmakers consider high-priority to develop and/or maintain given limited fiscal resources to maximize flexibility and elasticity in meeting global force projection requirements in the maritime domain? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. Although China's primary maritime focus remains regional, Beijing aspires to play a larger role in select global issues that will require a naval power projection capability. These ambitions are driving the development of PLA Navy capabilities to operate on a limited basis outside of the Western Pacific region. At what point in time, if ever, do you believe China will be able to project maritime global power similar to how the Department of the Navy projects naval power in the maritime domain? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. The U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence projects in an unclassified assessment that China will have between 313 and 342 submarines and surface combatants by 2020, including approximately 60 submarines that are able to employ submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missiles or anti-ship cruise missiles. Do you believe the projected U.S. Navy attack submarine inventory will be able to sufficiently counter the submarine inventory of the PLA Navy? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to assert regional influence, and if so, how should the United States respond? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. Key characteristics of international order in the Asia- Pacific region include, among other things, a rules- and norms-based system grounded in international law, the use of international law and other non-coercive mechanisms for resolving disputes, market-based economies and free trade, broadly defined global commons at sea and in the air, and freedom of operations in international waters and airspace. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to alter one or more elements of this international order, at least for the Asia-Pacific region, and if so, how should the United States respond? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. The United States has obligations to treaty allies in the Asia-Pacific region, particularly Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines, and certain obligations to Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act. As China continues to exert sovereignty claims in the Asia-Pacific region, such as its declared Economic Engagement Zones in the East and South China Seas and its recently declared Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea, how should the United States balance international obligations with China's desire to exert territorial influence in the Asia-Pacific? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that the United States currently possesses a relevant and tangible National Security Strategy, Defense Strategy, and Military Strategy for successfully addressing China's growing regional and global influence? If not, why not? Mr. O'Rourke. Regarding potential combat operations, the subcommittee has the option of examining classified U.S. war plans and deciding whether those plans reflect a relevant and tangible U.S. wartime strategy. A related issue is whether the strategy reflected in classified U.S. war plans should be articulated publicly in unclassified form (i.e., be issued as a declarative strategy) for purposes of deterring China, reassuring U.S. allies and partners in the region, and otherwise shaping the security environment of the Asia- Pacific region. Some observers perceive China to be implementing a concerted strategy for gradually asserting and consolidating control of its near- seas regions using measures, many implemented by Chinese Coast Guard ships, that fall short of war. The United States, in addition to periodically reiterating U.S. positions regarding the resolution of maritime territorial disputes and operational rights in EEZs, announced on December 16 an expansion of U.S. regional and bilateral assistance ``to advance maritime capacity building in Southeast Asia,'' particularly Vietnam and the Philippines.\1\ A potential oversight issue for the subcommittee would be to see whether the December 16 announcement is followed in time by other U.S. actions that might reflect a more active U.S. strategy for countering the strategy that some observers perceive China to be following for gradually asserting and consolidating control of its near-seas regions. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ Department of State, ``Expanded U.S. Assistance for Maritime Capacity Building,'' fact sheet, December 16, 2013, accessed December 19, 2013, at: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2013/218735.htm. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Forbes. Trends in China's defense spending, research and development, and shipbuilding industry suggest China will continue its naval modernization for the foreseeable future and may field the largest fleet of modern submarines and surface combatants in the Western Pacific by 2020. What factors do you recommend decisionmakers consider when determining the necessary and appropriate U.S. military force structure posture to maintain in the Asia-Pacific region? Mr. O'Rourke. Top-level U.S. strategic considerations that policymakers may consider in determining U.S. military force structure and posture for the Asia-Pacific region include:preventing the emergence of a regional hegemon in one part of Eurasia or another, preserving the U.S.-led international order that has operated since World War II, fulfilling U.S. treaty obligations, and shaping the Asia-Pacific region. Additional factors that policymakers may consider include: the capabilities of U.S. allies and partners in the region, and the likelihood that those capabilities will be committed in crisis and conflict scenarios involving China, demands for U.S. forces in other parts of the world, constraints on U.S. defense resources, the benefits and costs of measures such as forward homeporting, forward stationing, multiple crewing, and crew rotation, and industrial-base considerations. Mr. Forbes. The PLA Navy's expanding role in military missions other than war and new willingness to operate beyond China's immediate periphery creates opportunities to enhance maritime cooperation between the United States and China. How do you believe the United States military should leverage these opportunities for increased engagement with the PLA Navy? Mr. O'Rourke. Cooperative maritime operations with China's navy can be used as an opportunity to: marginally reduce demands on U.S. Navy forces for performing certain missions (such as the anti-piracy mission), demonstrate the professionalism of U.S. naval personnel to Chinese personnel, build trust among Chinese personnel regarding U.S. intentions, help reinforce Chinese compliance with existing rules for operating ships and aircraft safely in proximity to one another (including the October 1972 multilateral convention on the international regulations for preventing collisions at sea, commonly known as the COLREGs or the ``rules of the road,'' to which both China and the United States are parties),\2\ and --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \2\ 28 UST 3459; TIAS 8587. The treaty was done at London October 20, 1972, and entered into force July 15, 1977. A summary of the agreement is available online at http://www.imo.org/about/conventions/ listofconventions/pages/colreg.aspx. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- demonstrate to China the benefits that China receives from the current international order, and China's consequent interest in preserving that order. Mr. Forbes. Regarding United States current and planned naval modernization and recapitalization programs, do you believe the Department of the Navy is on the right track to project global power in the foreseeable future for anticipated missions the Department may have to perform in the Asia-Pacific region? What is the Department doing well? What are the gaps? Mr. O'Rourke. Regarding the Navy's plans for modernizing and recapitalizing the cruise-destroyer force, the replacement of the CG(X) and DDG-1000 programs with resumed DDG-51 procurement leaves the Navy without a clear roadmap in the 30-year shipbuilding plan for accomplishing certain things for the cruiser-destroyer force that were to have been accomplished by the CG(X) and DDG-1000 programs, including but not limited to the following: restoring ship growth margin for accommodating future capabilities; introducing integrated electric drive technology into a large number of ships, particularly for supporting future high-power electrical weapons such as high-power lasers; and substantially reducing ship life-cycle O&S costs by, among other things, reducing crew size. Accomplishing the above three items will depend to a large degree on when procurement of large surface combatants shifts from Flight III DDG-51s to some follow-on design, and on the features of that follow on design. Options for the next large surface combatant after the Flight III DDG-51 include a further modification of the DDG-51 design (i.e., a Flight IV design, which might include a lengthening of the hull to accommodate new systems and restore growth margin), the current DDG- 1000 design or a modified version of the DDG-1000 design, and a clean- sheet design that might be intermediate in size between the DDG-51 and DDG-1000 designs. Regarding the Navy's plans for developing and procuring new aircraft, a potential oversight item for the subcommittee concerns the mission definition for the UCLASS carrier-based unmanned aircraft. Recent press reporting suggests that there is some debate and uncertainty within the Navy regarding whether the UCLASS should be designed to be capable of penetrating capable air-defense systems.\3\ Given potential constraints on Navy funding and potential future mission demands, the subcommittee may also wish to examine the future mix of strike fighters on carrier air wings. The current plan is for each air wing to include two squadrons of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and two squadrons of F-35C Joint Strike Fighters (i.e., ``2+2''). Potential alternative mixes that might be examined include 0+4, 1+3, 3+1, and 4+0. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \3\ For a discussion, see Dave Majumdar, ``Navy Shifts Plans to Acquire a Tougher UCLASS,'' USNI News (http://news.usni.org), November 12, 2013; USNI News Editor, ``Pentagon Altered UCLASS Requirements for Counterterrorism Mission,'' USNI News (http://news.usni.org), August 29, 2013. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regarding the Navy's plans for developing and acquiring unmanned vehicles (other than the above discussed UCLASS), a potential oversight item for the Navy concerns the Navy's plans for transitioning current experiments and demonstration efforts in submarine-launched unmanned vehicles into procurement programs of record. Regarding the Navy's plans for developing and procuring new weapons, potential oversight items include the Navy's plans for developing and procuring: the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) as a next- generation successor to the Harpoon anti-ship cruise missile; a long-range air-to-air missile for use by carrier-based strike fighters (no such weapon is currently planned); \4\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \4\ Such a missile might be broadly similar to the Advanced Air-to- Air Missile (AAAM), a long-range air-to-air missile that was being developed in the late-1980s as a successor to the Navy's long-range Phoenix air-to-air missile. The AAAM program was cancelled as a result of the end of the Cold War. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- the previously mentioned anti-torpedo torpedo (ATT); the electromagnetic rail gun, including its use as an air and missile defense weapon; solid-state lasers (SSLs) with beam powers of a few hundred to several hundred kilowatts that could be capable of countering anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs) and perhaps also anti-ship ballistic missiles (ASBMs); and a megawatt-class free electron laser (FEL). Mr. Forbes. The challenges associated with fiscal resource constraints stemming from the Budget Control Act of August 2011 and subsequent sequestration will make it nearly impossible for the Department of the Navy to maintain a sufficient force structure required to meet all global power requirements in the maritime domain. In the context of the ``rebalance to Asia'' strategy, what maritime naval capabilities should decisionmakers consider high-priority to develop and/or maintain given limited fiscal resources to maximize flexibility and elasticity in meeting global force projection requirements in the maritime domain? Mr. O'Rourke. Naval capabilities that policymakers might consider as candidates for receiving priority in a context of the U.S. strategic rebalancing to the Asia-Pacific region and limits on fiscal resources include but are not limited to the following: platforms that can evade China's A2/AD capabilities-- attack submarines and stealthy aircraft are the examples usually mentioned, but they may not be the only examples; capabilities of all kinds (both soft-kill and hard-kill) for breaking the kill chains of China's A2/AD weapons; platforms and weapons that can improve the Navy's ability to outrange China's A2/AD capabilities when needed; capabilities that can substantially increase surface ship magazine depth and, by dramatically reducing cost per shot, substantially improve cost-exchange ratios against China's A2/AD weapons, such as electronic warfare capabilities, other soft-kill mechanisms, electromagnetic rail guns, and lasers; technologies for reducing ship operation and support (O&S) costs, so that a Navy budget of a given size can more easily support a force structure of a given number of ships; measures (such as forward homeporting, forward stationing, multiple crewing, and crew rotation) that can increase the fraction of the fleet that can be forward-deployed sustainably (i.e., without overburdening crews or wearing out ships)--although, as mentioned earlier, the costs as well as the benefits of such measures would need to be weighed; capabilities that would be expensive for China to counter (i.e., so-called cost-imposing or competitive strategies)--attack submarines are often mentioned in this connection; mines and large numbers of inexpensive unmanned vehicles might additional examples; capabilities for performing missions that, within DOD, are performed solely or largely by naval forces, such as ASW or mine countermeasures; and improved capabilities for other nations in the region (particularly the Philippines and Vietnam) for maintaining maritime domain awareness (MDA) and defending territorial claims and operational rights in the South China Sea. Regarding the first part of the question, overall Navy force structure and the 30-year shipbuilding plan will be affected in coming years not only by the future DOD budget top line as influenced by the Budget Control Act or other legislation, but also by additional factors, such as the allocation of the DOD budget top line among the military departments and by the portion of the DOD budget top line that is used for other expenses, including military pay and benefits and DOD's so-called overhead and back-office costs. Presentations from the Navy, CBO, GAO, or other sources on future Navy force structure and the 30-year shipbuilding plan sometimes appear to assume little or no change in these additional factors, perhaps because there is no specific basis that can be cited for assuming a particular change. The fact that other organizations choose to assume little or no change in these additional factors does not prevent Congress from considering such possibilities. The alternative of assuming at the outset that there is no potential for making anything more than very marginal changes in these additional factors could unnecessarily constrain options available to policymakers and prevent the allocation of DOD resources from being aligned optimally with U.S. strategy. In a situation of reduced levels of defense spending, such as what would occur if defense spending were to remain constrained to the revised cap levels in the Budget Control Act, the affordability challenge posed by the 30-year shipbuilding plan would be intensified. Even then, however, the current 30-year shipbuilding plan would not necessarily become unaffordable. The Navy estimates that, in constant FY2013 dollars, fully implementing the current 30-year shipbuilding plan would require an average of $16.8 billion in annual funding for new-construction ships, compared to an historic average of $12 billion to $14 billion provided for this purpose.\5\ The required increase in average annual funding of $2.8 billion to $4.8 billion per year equates to less than 1% of DOD's annual budget under the revised caps of the Budget Control Act. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that, in constant FY2013 dollars, fully implementing the current 30-year shipbuilding plan would require an average of $19.3 billion in annual funding for new-construction ships, or $2.5 billion per year more than the Navy estimates.\6\ This would make the required increase in average annual funding $5.3 billion to $7.3 billion per year, which equates to roughly 1.1% to 1.5% of DOD's annual budget under the revised caps of the Budget Control Act. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \5\ See Report to Congress on the Annual Long-Range Plan for Construction of Naval Vessels for FY2014, May 2013, p. 18. \6\ Congressional Budget Office, An Analysis of the Navy's Fiscal Year 2014 Shipbuilding Plan, October 2013, Table 3 (page 13). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some observers, noting the U.S. strategic rebalancing toward the Asia-Pacific region, have advocated shifting a greater share of the DOD budget to the Navy and Air Force, on the grounds that the Asia-Pacific region is primarily a maritime and aerospace theater for DOD. In discussing the idea of shifting a greater share of the DOD budget to the Navy and Air Force, some of these observers refer to breaking the so-called ``one-third, one-third, one-third'' division of resources among the three military departments--a shorthand term sometimes used to refer to the more-or-less stable division of resources between the three military departments that existed for the three decades between the end of U.S. participation in the Vietnam War in 1973 and the start of the Iraq War in 2003.\7\ In a context of breaking the ``one-third, one-third, one-third'' allocation with an aim of better aligning defense spending with the strategic rebalancing, shifting 1.5% or less of DOD's budget into the Navy's shipbuilding account would appear to be quite feasible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \7\ The ``one-third, one-third, one-third'' terminology, though convenient, is not entirely accurate--the military departments' shares of the DOD budget, while more or less stable during this period, were not exactly one-third each: the average share for the Department of the Army was about 26%, the average share for the Department of the Navy (which includes both the Navy and Marine Corps) was about 32%, the average share for the Department of the Air Force was about 30%, and the average share for Defense-Wide (the fourth major category of DOD spending) was about 12%. Excluding the Defense-Wide category, which has grown over time, the shares for the three military departments of the remainder of DOD's budget during this period become about 29% for the Department of the Army, about 37% for the Department of the Navy, and about 34% for the Department of the Air Force. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- More broadly, if defense spending were to remain constrained to the revised cap levels in the Budget Control Act, then fully funding the Department of the Navy's total budget at the levels shown in the current Future Years Defense Plan (FYDP) would require increasing the Department of the Navy's share of the non-Defense-Wide part of the DOD budget to about 41%, compared to about 36% in the FY2014 budget and an average of about 37% for the three-decade period between the Vietnam and Iraq wars.\8\ While shifting 4% or 5% of DOD's budget to the Department of the Navy would be a more ambitious reallocation than shifting 1.5% or less of the DOD budget to the Navy's shipbuilding account, similarly large reallocations have occurred in the past: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \8\ Since the Defense-Wide portion of the budget has grown from just a few percent in the 1950s and 1960s to about 15% in more recent years, including the Defense-Wide category of spending in the calculation can lead to military department shares of the budget in the 1950s and 1960s that are somewhat more elevated compared to those in more recent years, making it more complex to compare the military departments' shares across the entire period of time since the end of the World War II. For this reason, military department shares of the DOD budget cited in this statement are calculated after excluding the Defense-Wide category. The points made in this statement, however, can still made on the basis of a calculation that includes the Defense-Wide category. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the mid-1950s to the mid-1960s, reflecting a U.S. defense strategy at the time that placed a strong reliance on the deterrent value of nuclear weapons, the Department of the Air Force's share of the non-Defense-Wide DOD budget increased by several percentage points. The Department of the Air Force's share averaged about 45% for the 10-year period FY1956-FY1965, and peaked at more than 47% in FY1957-FY1959. For the 11-year period FY2003-FY2013, as a consequence of combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Department of the Army's share of the non-Defense-Wide DOD budget increased by roughly ten percentage points. The Department of the Army's share during this period averaged about 39%, and peaked at more than 43% in FY2008. U.S. combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan during this period reflected the implementation of U.S. national strategy as interpreted by policymakers during those years. The point here is not to argue whether it would be right or wrong to shift more of the DOD budget to the Navy's shipbuilding account or to the Department of the Navy's budget generally. Doing that would require reducing funding for other DOD programs, and policymakers would need to weigh the resulting net impact on overall DOD capabilities. The point, rather, is to note that the allocation of DOD resources is not written in stone, that aligning DOD spending with U.S. strategy in coming years could involve changing the allocation by more than a very marginal amount, and that such a changed allocation could provide the funding needed to implement the current 30-year shipbuilding plan. As an alternative or supplement to the option of altering the allocation of DOD resources among the military departments, the 30-year shipbuilding plan could also become more affordable by taking actions beyond those now being implemented by DOD to control military personnel pay and benefits and reduce what some observers refer to as DOD's overhead or back-office costs. Multiple organizations have made recommendations for such actions in recent years. The Defense Business Board, for example, estimated that at least $200 billion of DOD's enacted budget for FY2010 constituted overhead costs. The board stated that ``There has been an explosion of overhead work because the Department has failed to establish adequate controls to keep it in line relative to the size of the warfight,'' and that ``In order to accomplish that work, the Department has applied ever more personnel to those tasks which has added immensely to costs.'' The board stated further that ``Whether it's improving the tooth-to-tail ratio; increasing the `bang for the buck', or converting overhead to combat, Congress and DoD must significantly change their approach,'' and that DOD ``Must use the numerous world-class business practices and proven business operations that are applicable to DoD's overhead.'' \9\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \9\ Defense Business Board briefing, ``Reducing Overhead and Improving Business Operations, Initial Observations,'' July 22, 2010, slides 15, 5, and 6, posted online at: http://www.govexec. com/pdfs/072210rb1.pdf. See also Defense Business Board, Modernizing the Military Retirement System, Report to the Secretary of Defense, Report FY11-05, posted online at: http://dbb. defense.gov/Portals/35/Documents/Reports/2011/FY11- 5_Modernizing_The_Military_Retirement_ System_2011-7.pdf; and Defense Business Board, Corporate Downsizing Applications for DoD, Report to the Secretary of Defense, Report FY11- 08, posted online at: http://dbb.defense.gov/ Portals/35/Documents/Reports/2011/FY11- 8_Corporate_Downsizing_Applications_for_DoD_2011-7.pdf. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- One potential way to interpret the affordability challenge posed by the Navy's 30-year shipbuilding plan is to view it as an invitation by the Navy for policymakers to consider matters such as the alignment between U.S. strategy and the division of DOD resources among the military departments, and the potential for taking actions beyond those now being implemented by DOD to control military personnel pay and benefits and reduce DOD overhead and back-office costs. The Navy's prepared statement for the September 18 hearing before the full committee on planning for sequestration in FY2014 and the perspectives of the military services on the Strategic Choices and Management Review (SCMR) provides a number of details about reductions in Navy force structure and acquisition programs that could result from constraining DOD's budget to the revised cap levels in the Budget Control Act.\10\ These potential reductions do not appear to reflect any substantial shift in the allocation of DOD resources among the military departments, or the taking of actions beyond those already being implemented by DOD to control DOD personnel pay and benefits and reduce DOD overhead and back-office costs. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \10\ Statement of Admiral Jonathan Greenert, U.S. Navy, Chief of Naval Operations, Before the House Armed Services Committee on Planning for Sequestration in FY 2014 and Perspectives of the Military Services on the Strategic Choices and Management Review, September 18, 2013, pp. 6-10. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Forbes. Although China's primary maritime focus remains regional, Beijing aspires to play a larger role in select global issues that will require a naval power projection capability. These ambitions are driving the development of PLA Navy capabilities to operate on a limited basis outside of the Western Pacific region. At what point in time, if ever, do you believe China will be able to project maritime global power similar to how the Department of the Navy projects naval power in the maritime domain? Mr. O'Rourke. China's ability to operate naval forces in more- distant waters will likely continue to grow, but if ``project[ing] maritime global power similar to how the Department of the Navy projects naval power in the maritime domain'' is taken to mean a capability to operate substantial forward-deployed forces on a sustained basis in multiple ocean areas around the world, and to project substantial power ashore in one or more of those areas on a sustained basis, then I am not sure that China's navy will ever become capable of doing that, or that China's leadership would aspire to having a navy with that capability. The missions assigned to navies reflect the national strategies of their parent countries. The ability of the U.S. Navy to operate substantial forward-deployed forces on a sustained basis in multiple ocean areas around the world, and to project substantial power ashore in one or more of those areas on a sustained basis, reflects the United States' location in the Western hemisphere and the consequent top-level U.S. strategic goal of preventing the emergence of a regional hegemon in one part of Eurasia or another. China's geographic setting and consequent national strategy differ from those of the United States, and may never require a navy that can operate substantial forward- deployed forces on a sustained basis in multiple ocean areas around the world, and project substantial power ashore in one or more of those areas on a sustained basis. China's navy will, however, likely develop a growing capability to operate in more distant waters on a focused and selective basis, and may develop a capability for projecting some amount of power ashore from those waters on a focused and selective basis. Mr. Forbes. The U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence projects in an unclassified assessment that China will have between 313 and 342 submarines and surface combatants by 2020, including approximately 60 submarines that are able to employ submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missiles or anti-ship cruise missiles. Do you believe the projected U.S. Navy attack submarine inventory will be able to sufficiently counter the submarine inventory of the PLA Navy? Mr. O'Rourke. U.S. Navy operations to counter Chinese submarines would be conducted not only by Navy attack submarines, but by aircraft and surface ships as well. Conversely, U.S. Navy attack submarines have missions other than countering submarines, such as conducting intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance operations, attacking land targets with Tomahawk cruise missiles, tracking and attacking surface ships, inserting and recovering special operations forces, and detecting and countering mines. So there would likely be U.S. platforms other than attack submarines countering Chinese submarines, and missions other than countering Chinese submarines being performed by U.S. attack submarines. That said, the projected attack submarine shortfall will, other things held equal, add some degree of risk during the period of the shortfall to the ability of the attack submarine force to contribute to U.S. operations for countering Chinese submarines and to perform other missions. The Navy can attempt to mitigate that risk by taking measures to maximize attack submarine availability during the period of the shortfall, such as shifting submarine maintenance work outside the shortfall period. Such measures, however, might simply spread some of the added risk to neighboring years. Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to assert regional influence, and if so, how should the United States respond? Mr. O'Rourke. Yes, China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to assert regional influence. Factors that policymakers may consider in determining the U.S. response include those listed above in response to an earlier question, namely: the following top-level strategic considerations: preventing the emergence of a regional hegemon in one part of Eurasia or another, preserving the U.S.-led international order that has operated since World War II, fulfilling U.S. treaty obligations, and shaping the Asia-Pacific region, and the following additional factors: the capabilities of U.S. allies and partners in the region, and the likelihood that those capabilities will be committed in crisis and conflict scenarios involving China, demands for U.S. forces in other parts of the world, constraints on U.S. defense resources, the benefits and costs of measures such as forward homeporting, forward stationing, multiple crewing, and crew rotation, and industrial-base considerations. Regarding the goal of shaping the Asia-Pacific region, some observers consider a military conflict involving the United States and China to be very unlikely, in part because of significant U.S.-Chinese economic linkages and the tremendous damage that such a conflict could cause on both sides. In the absence of such a conflict, however, the U.S.-Chinese military balance in the Asia-Pacific region could nevertheless influence day-to-day choices made by other Asia-Pacific countries, including choices on whether to align their policies more closely with China or the United States. In this sense, decisions by policymakers regarding U.S. Navy and other DOD programs (as well as other measures, including possibly non-military ones) for countering improved Chinese naval forces could influence the political evolution of the Asia-Pacific, which in turn could affect the ability of the United States to pursue goals relating to various policy issues, both in the Asia-Pacific region and elsewhere. As noted earlier, the Philippines military in particular currently has relatively little capability for maintaining maritime domain awareness (MDA) and defending its territorial claims and operational rights in the South China Sea. In the eastern and southern portions of the South China Sea, operations by Chinese Coast Guard ships for asserting and defending China's maritime territorial claims and operational rights often go uncountered by equivalent Philippine forces. To the extent that gradual consolidation of Chinese control over parts of the Spratly Islands and other South China Sea features such as Scarborough Shoal would affect U.S. interests, policymakers may wish to consider the option of accelerating actions for expanding and modernizing the Philippines' maritime defense and law enforcement capabilities. Mr. Forbes. Key characteristics of international order in the Asia- Pacific region include, among other things, a rules- and norms-based system grounded in international law, the use of international law and other non-coercive mechanisms for resolving disputes, market-based economies and free trade, broadly defined global commons at sea and in the air, and freedom of operations in international waters and airspace. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to alter one or more elements of this international order, at least for the Asia-Pacific region, and if so, how should the United States respond? Mr. O'Rourke. Views among observers on this question vary. My own assessment as an analyst is that China's naval modernization effort appears to form part of a broader Chinese effort to alter one or more elements of the current international order. Specifically, my assessment is that China appears, at a minimum, to be seeking to change the international order as it relates to freedom of operations in international waters and airspace. Although China may be seeking to do this only for the Asia-Pacific region, Chinese success in that regard would potentially have implications for other regions as well: Since international law is universal in its application, changing its application in one region would create a precedent for changing it in other regions. In addition, my assessment is that China appears to be seeking to change the international order as it relates to non-use of coercive mechanisms for resolving disputes, at least in the Asia- Pacific region. Again, views among observers on this question vary; some might assess that China's effort goes further than what I have described, while others might assess that there is no such broader Chinese effort, at least not as a matter of conscious, coordinated Chinese policy. If policymakers judge that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to alter one or more elements of this international order, at least for the Asia-Pacific region, there would be various options for responding. One possibility would be to recognize the issue formally and explicitly in the policymaking process and devise an integrated, cross-agency strategy for addressing it. Such a strategy might have multiple elements and involve U.S. allies and partners in the region. Mr. Forbes. The United States has obligations to treaty allies in the Asia-Pacific region, particularly Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines, and certain obligations to Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act. As China continues to exert sovereignty claims in the Asia-Pacific region, such as its declared Economic Engagement Zones in the East and South China Seas and its recently declared Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea, how should the United States balance international obligations with China's desire to exert territorial influence in the Asia-Pacific? Mr. O'Rourke. In seeking to balance U.S. international obligations with China's desire to exert territorial influence in the Asia-Pacific, one key factor to keep in mind is whether China's actions are consistent with customary international law as reflected in instruments such as the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and the October 1972 multilateral convention on the international regulations for preventing collisions at sea, commonly known as the COLREGs or the ``rules of the road,'' to which both China and the United States are parties.\11\ The current international legal regime provides mechanisms for resolving maritime territorial disputes that can result in decisions in China's favor, and it provides for freedom of operations in international waters and airspace that can benefit Chinese maritime and air operations not only in China's near-seas regions, but around the world. If China's actions to exert territorial influence in the Asia-Pacific challenge the current international legal regime, it could affect the ability of the United States to fulfill its international obligations not only in the Asia-Pacific region, but in other regions as well, because, as noted earlier, international law is universal in its application, so changing its application in one region consequently would create a precedent for changing it in other regions. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \11\ 28 UST 3459; TIAS 8587. The treaty was done at London October 20, 1972, and entered into force July 15, 1977. A summary of the agreement is available online at http://www.imo.org/about/conventions/ listofconventions/pages/colreg.aspx. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that the United States currently possesses a relevant and tangible National Security Strategy, Defense Strategy, and Military Strategy for successfully addressing China's growing regional and global influence? If not, why not? Dr. Cropsey. The U.S.'s current National Security, Defense, and Military Strategy documents contain many admirable principles and desired outcomes. The documents neither explain how these outcomes will be achieved, what forces are needed to produce the outcomes, nor how much these forces will cost. Closest to a strategy for addressing China's growing regional and global influence is the current administration's idea of a ``rebalance'' to Asia. This is longer on soft power than the hard power needed to support it. However, current and recent U.S. efforts to improve relations with Vietnam, Myanmar, and other Southeast Asian states on China's periphery that fear it are worthwhile and should be continued and accelerated. However, this is necessary but not sufficient. China is seeking influence around the world in the form of investments, presence, cultural exchange, and foreign assistance. No sign exists that we have thought through how to address this. What's needed is an Eisenhower-like approach similar to the Solarium Project but broader in scope since China's wealth makes it a more formidable global actor than the Soviets whose ideology had a very restricted international appeal for which they had limited funds to advance in any event. Congress could play an important role in creating such a project whose ideas the current administration might not adopt. But thinking through the questions and starting to answer them would shape national attitudes and possibly the ideas of a future administration. After the ``rebalance'' concept comes the Air-Sea Battle concept. It is not a strategy, and does not claim to be one. The project I propose ought to have a national security team that would examine and make recommendations about U.S. security policy toward China. Again, the current administration is not likely to look kindly on a hard-headed recommendation about strategy. But, thinking ahead, this is what is needed to shape thinking and action for a future administration. Mr. Forbes. Trends in China's defense spending, research and development, and shipbuilding industry suggest China will continue its naval modernization for the foreseeable future and may field the largest fleet of modern submarines and surface combatants in the Western Pacific by 2020. What factors do you recommend decisionmakers consider when determining the necessary and appropriate U.S. military force structure posture to maintain in the Asia-Pacific region? Dr. Cropsey. The under-funded U.S. submarine force that Navy's 30- year shipbuilding plans anticipates will be smaller than China's current subsurface force. During the same three decades Chinese naval modernization will continue. Even if the U.S. withdraws its commitments from the rest of the world this will put us at a numerical disadvantage compared to China which--even without its planners' admiration for the ideas of Alfred Thayer Mahan--is likely to concentrate its submarine force in the West Pacific. Decision-makers should consider this probable imbalance with particular attention because of the littoral combat ship's (which is expected to include an ASW module) vulnerability to China's growing arsenal of missiles, naval air, and the reasonable possibility that the DF-21 missile will become a useful instrument of China's anti-access/area denial strategy. Destroying Chinese subs should be the U.S. and its allies' strategic objective. This precedes using U.S. submarine-launched attacks on Chinese land targets which are likely to produce a response against U.S. territory. The more of their submarine force that is sunk the safer it will be for the U.S. to hold at risk their amphibious capability, control the island chains, and maintain their access to such strategic and sea- borne supplies as energy. U.S. decision-makers should fund not only unmanned subsurface drones that augment the capability of our current SSN force and the networking capacity that multiplies their combat effectiveness, but also a large number of (relatively) inexpensive and quieter diesel-electric boats. Besides offering the U.S. submarine fleet a low-cost numerical advantage these vessels should be based or supplied from our treaty allies in the region thus offering the additional benefit of assuring them that we continue to deserve their trust. Navy will also need to make important investments in the logistics ships that are particularly important for sustaining a naval force at the western end of the Pacific. Navy's 30-year plan aims to build more logistics ships but the entire plan lies under a cloud--as Congress has noted--because of the gulf between the Navy's plans and reasonable expectations for funding the SCN account. No appropriate posture for the U.S. Pacific Fleet can reasonably ignore the necessity of resupplying ships at sea including the ability to re-arm underway. Moreover, the Flight III DDG-51-class only puts off the question of the character of Navy's surface fleet backbone. By the time they join the fleet--in the early `20s--the demand for electrical power from rail guns and laser weapons, for example, will likely have exceeded the power-generating capacity that the Flight IIIs volume can accommodate. Despite submarines' increasing importance in the West Pacific, the U.S. cannot maintain a force posture worthy of the name without a resilient and dominant surface fleet. The Zumwalt has the needed capacity including space for electrical generation. Alternatives include less expensive surface ships that perform fewer missions that can be changes in the same modular fashion as the LCS. Navy should be making and funding decisions about the surface fleet now--one hopes--guided by strategy. Finally, although the USAF is taking the increased importance of Asia seriously, the Army is well behind and shows few signs of catching up. The Army is responsible for the defending our bases in the Western Pacific from air and missile attack. Rather than concentrating on this mission the Army is looking at Asia as justification for maintaining force structure. There may be something to this in holding or retaking territory in the island chains that bracket the Asian mainland--as the Army did in WWII. But--unlike WWII--we already have good positions in WestPac. Our first priority should be to assure their safety. Decision-makers would benefit our military posture by looking more closely at the air defense of our bases in the region. Mr. Forbes. The PLA Navy's expanding role in military missions other than war and new willingness to operate beyond China's immediate periphery creates opportunities to enhance maritime cooperation between the United States and China. How do you believe the United States military should leverage these opportunities for increased engagement with the PLA Navy? Dr. Cropsey. As noted above in the answer to Question 12, China's aggressive actions of the past year make this the wrong time to increase cooperation with the PLA Navy. If our goal is to encourage China to become a stakeholder in the international order we do not advance it by rewarding them for behavior that violates international norms. However, if and when China ceases territorial and armed provocations in the East and South China Seas maritime cooperation with the PLAN could include search-and-rescue, disaster relief, and humanitarian operations outside the states that border China. There can be no point in suggesting to Southeast Asian states on China's periphery that Beijing's intentions are benign. Nothing in these smaller states' history would lead them to believe it. Africa offers the best opportunity for cooperation between the U.S. and China in non- combatant maritime operations. Ice-breaking if it is needed to open or keep open sea lanes through the Arctic offers an opportunity for maritime cooperation that has relatively few political implications while it assists the most tangible benefit of U.S.-China relations, trade. This would be better than the implicit message of U.S.-China maritime cooperation in any state whose leaders could conclude that cooperation between the two navies implies American collaboration with, or approval of, Chinese foreign policy. Mr. Forbes. Regarding United States current and planned naval modernization and recapitalization programs, do you believe the Department of the Navy is on the right track to project global power in the foreseeable future for anticipated missions the Department may have to perform in the Asia-Pacific region? What is the Department doing well? What are the gaps? Dr. Cropsey. In many places, as with UAVs, UUVs, rail guns, lasers, cyber security, the Navy is on the right technological track. On funding platforms the widening gulf between plans and likely funding Navy is on the wrong track. On strategy Navy is on no track at all. N3/ 5 has been working on revisions to the '07 maritime strategy for years and had a publishable document over a year ago. Release has been postponed due to the revolving door of admirals responsible for the document, unaccountable delays, and what appears to be a lack of interest at the senior level of the department. The revised strategy was supposed to be published last summer. This was delayed until the autumn. Last I heard release has been rescheduled to `sometime soon.' ``Doing well'' would start with a strategy from which most of everything else would flow--at a minimum the justification for modernization, weapons, networks, and platforms. Mr. Forbes. The challenges associated with fiscal resource constraints stemming from the Budget Control Act of August 2011 and subsequent sequestration will make it nearly impossible for the Department of the Navy to maintain a sufficient force structure required to meet all global power requirements in the maritime domain. In the context of the ``rebalance to Asia'' strategy, what maritime naval capabilities should decisionmakers consider high-priority to develop and/or maintain given limited fiscal resources to maximize flexibility and elasticity in meeting global force projection requirements in the maritime domain? Dr. Cropsey. The Air-Sea Battle (ASB) rests on the notion of neutralizing China's growing anti-access/area denial capability by degrading the C4ISR network on which it depends. This would require-- among other actions--striking targets on China's mainland. China has the ability to retaliate against U.S. targets. Such retaliation would escalate a conflict where U.S. strategy should seek to contain and end it as quickly as possible. A strategy that sought to contain conflict could be accomplished by seizing the key nodes of both 1st and 2nd island chains as well as securing the land areas that surround the straits through which traffic between the Middle East and Asia moves. Holding these areas assisted by naval and air support would allow us and allies to enforce a blockade with unacceptable economic consequences to China. Alternatively, American seapower could destroy the PLAN's fleet as quickly as possible. This would have both economic and far-reaching military consequences that would encourage an end to hostilities. The second strategy would require more naval forces to command the seas that surround China. There are other possible strategic approaches. They were not the subject of this question. The point is that decision-makers' ability to prioritize naval capabilities should depend on strategy. The `rebalance to Asia' lacks one. When this problem is addressed the question of priorities and fiscal resources can be better addressed. Mr. Forbes. Although China's primary maritime focus remains regional, Beijing aspires to play a larger role in select global issues that will require a naval power projection capability. These ambitions are driving the development of PLA Navy capabilities to operate on a limited basis outside of the Western Pacific region. At what point in time, if ever, do you believe China will be able to project maritime global power similar to how the Department of the Navy projects naval power in the maritime domain? Dr. Cropsey. It is not clear that China will ever be able to project maritime power globally as does the U.S. The Chinese have many obstacles to overcome: the numerical disparity between the coming generation's genders, a population that as Nick Eberstadt has put it `will grow old before it grows wealthy,' a brittle political system, and the likelihood that they cannot sustain the economic growth of the previous 30 years for the next three decades to name a few. Any one of these will put China's continued rise in jeopardy. Together, they would stop it. However, there can be no doubt that Chinese leadership aspires to return the nation to the position of global influence it once occupied. If it can maintain its double-digit increases in GDP and surmount the serious obstacles to continued single-party rule and if U.S. seapower maintains its current descending trajectory China will be a peer-competitor--or better--before the midpoint of this century. If both nations maintain their current seapower trajectories, the best chance that China will not equal or surpass us is if they adopt Harold Mackinder's idea of controlling the Eurasian landmass and succeed in doing so. Then their markets, productive power, strategic commodities, and wealth will depend very little on the seas, and we will have other much more serious problems than vanishing seapower. Mr. Forbes. The U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence projects in an unclassified assessment that China will have between 313 and 342 submarines and surface combatants by 2020, including approximately 60 submarines that are able to employ submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missiles or anti-ship cruise missiles. Do you believe the projected U.S. Navy attack submarine inventory will be able to sufficiently counter the submarine inventory of the PLA Navy? Dr. Cropsey. I agree with Navy's general assessment that by 2020 PLAN modernization will not have matured sufficiently to overcome our technology and experience with larger numbers of vessels. But China knows its technological weakness. It has a strategy of anti-access/area denial to compensate for their current technological inferiority. And the strategy is based importantly on countering our strength asymmetrically--for example, WU-14 hypersonic glide vehicle whose testing was reported in the 13 January edition of The Washington Free Beacon. (See http://freebeacon.com/china-conducts-first-test-of-new- ultra-high-speed-missile-vehicle/) The trend line is what we should be watching to understand if the projected U.S. submarine inventory will be able to counter the PLAN in the future. And the trend line does not favor us for many of the reasons already noted in these answers. It is based on an unsupportable U.S. Navy shipbuilding plan, China's increasing numbers of submarines, and its ever-expanding fleet. It would be worth the effort to analyze at what point China's submarine fleet will be a match for that which the U.S. is able to dedicate to the Western Pacific. Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to assert regional influence, and if so, how should the United States respond? Dr. Cropsey. I am not convinced that Chinese leadership has decided yet what role the PLAN should play globally: I am convinced they believe that China was once a major world power and want to restore it to its proper place as one. China's interest in anti-access/area denial; its investment in systems that would disrupt and degrade U.S. forces' dependence on network-centricity; its development of such weapons as the DF-21 anti-ship ballistic missile; and its military and diplomatic focus on the South and East China Seas are convincing evidence that China aims first at asserting regional influence. Regional influence will advance the larger and longer-term aim of regional hegemony. U.S. policy aimed to prevent the hegemony of a continental power in Europe from WWI through the Cold War. We have at least as great an interest in preventing it in Asia. The U.S. should respond to China's efforts through more effective alliance management aimed at convincing regional allies and friends that we will remain the dominant Pacific power; by increasing our naval presence in the region; by securing our bases against potential Chinese threats; by encouraging China--where possible--to cooperate with the U.S. in such non-combatant operations as disaster relief and humanitarian assistance; by diverting China's attention to the seas through closer diplomatic, commercial, and security ties to India and Southeast Asia; and by substantial increases in public diplomacy efforts aimed at the Chinese audience as well as public diplomacy and other efforts aimed to support the Uighurs, Tibetans, and Mongolians. U.S. policy should aim to increase the range of problems that China faces on land as a means of diverting their attention from the seas. This should also include exploiting China's reflexive imitation of American military technology by investing in defense programs whose imitation will cost China heavily as it forces the PLA to increase its investments in land warfare. Mr. Forbes. Key characteristics of international order in the Asia- Pacific region include, among other things, a rules- and norms-based system grounded in international law, the use of international law and other non-coercive mechanisms for resolving disputes, market-based economies and free trade, broadly defined global commons at sea and in the air, and freedom of operations in international waters and airspace. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to alter one or more elements of this international order, at least for the Asia-Pacific region, and if so, how should the United States respond? Dr. Cropsey. China's military buildup of which naval modernization is a part of, but does not fully express, Chinese leadership's unconventional view of international order. China's leaders do not share our view that international order depends significantly on balanced power. Peer competition in China's leaders' view eliminates the possibility of true sovereignty. The global instruments that Woodrow Wilson envisioned and which were created after WWII are as inimical to true sovereignty as the ideas of sovereignty and non- interference in other state's affairs that were codified in Europe at the midpoint of the 17th century. Naval and military forces are means to intimidate neighbors and gain psychological and defacto legal advantage. Decisive defeat of an enemy remains a possibility but is as likely to be achieved by--in the example of the Western Pacific-- denying the U.S. access as by traditional naval engagements. As the utility of traditional military engagements recedes such non-kinetic means as declaring limited control over international waters and airspace; and such psychological/legal instruments as active pressure to assert claims in international waters which Chinese leadership has said represent core national interests are the evolving battlefield. China's respect for international norms, as their actions in the Senkakus show, is subordinate to its leaders' pre-modern view that sovereignty rests ultimately on an imbalance, rather than a balance, of great powers. The U.S. should not abandon its hope and efforts to convince China that it can benefit from a liberal international order but should add to these a serious and sustained attempt to loosen Beijing's central authority, assert the superiority of international order based on rules, and the fundamental principles of respect for sovereignty as the West has understood and practiced it for nearly 400 years. Such efforts should be complemented by the understanding that China's leaders are not likely soon to change either their views or behavior. Our answer should be to respond in terms that Chinese leadership respects. Naval power is necessary but in China's view not sufficient to achieve the global power they seek. Besides countering their non-kinetic approach to accomplishing their grand strategic objectives, the U.S. should also emphasize forming and preserving effective allied coalitions, increasing our diplomatic and naval presence in the region, and building a fleet that maintains the superiority we currently enjoy over the PLAN. Mr. Forbes. The United States has obligations to treaty allies in the Asia-Pacific region, particularly Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines, and certain obligations to Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act. As China continues to exert sovereignty claims in the Asia-Pacific region, such as its declared Economic Engagement Zones in the East and South China Seas and its recently declared Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea, how should the United States balance international obligations with China's desire to exert territorial influence in the Asia-Pacific? Dr. Cropsey. The U.S. should balance its current international obligations against China's territorial ambitions in WestPac on several fronts but not at the expense of U.S. core interests in the Persian Gulf, Eastern Mediterranean, and Caribbean. Diminished influence in the Persian Gulf not only increases risk to our allies' energy supplies. It risks allowing Iran to hold the whip hand with the Gulf States upon which we remain dependent for oil, regional friends, and a balance to a Shia-dominated Middle East. Adding to the large energy reserves which have already been discovered off the Israeli and southern Cypriot coasts are substantial natural gas discoveries off Greece's Ionian coast. The likelihood is that scheduled exploration will produce evidence of much more natural gas in the same region. Extracting, refining, and transporting these deposits will strengthen our friends in the region, address many of their financial problems, offer alternatives to the EU's dependence on Russian-supplied energy, and provide a bulwark against the radicalization that threatens the Eastern Mediterranean littoral from Turkey to Libya. The U.S. has a very small flotilla in the Med where once we had a robust Sixth Fleet. This should be increased, not diminished to augment WestPac forces. The U.S. has a core interest in limiting the flow of drugs from South and Central America and maintaining naval presence in the Western Hemisphere. This might be decreased by a very few ships but nowhere close to the number required to counter the territorial influence that China seeks in the Asia-Pacific. U.S. policy should increase naval shipbuilding and its associated costs by reallocation of funds within the DoD budget, by substantially devolving authority to the military services for important defense functions from the currently over-centralized and over-staffed agencies in OSD, by grandfathering some benefits to military personnel, and by streamlining the heavily bureaucratized, inefficient, and needlessly complex process of designing, contracting, building, and testing military equipment. At the same time the U.S. should adopt the measures needed to counter China's psychological pressures, its regional territorial claims, and efforts to establish legal support for its claims in the South and East China Seas all of which are aimed over time to achieve the same hegemony for which force has traditionally been the primary instrument. Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that the United States currently possesses a relevant and tangible National Security Strategy, Defense Strategy, and Military Strategy for successfully addressing China's growing regional and global influence? If not, why not? Mr. Thomas. The United States lacks a particular, articulated strategy for China. The NSS, Defense Strategy, and NMS are all universal in their outlooks and do not provide specific strategies with meaningful levels of detail for any particular countries or threats. These documents are not very useful in marshaling all instruments of national power to deal with a specific challenge like a long-term strategic competition with China, because they deal with multiple problems ranging from terrorism to environmental change. They also tend to list objectives without necessarily explaining how their objectives might be achieved. Mr. Forbes. Trends in China's defense spending, research and development, and shipbuilding industry suggest China will continue its naval modernization for the foreseeable future and may field the largest fleet of modern submarines and surface combatants in the Western Pacific by 2020. What factors do you recommend decisionmakers consider when determining the necessary and appropriate U.S. military force structure posture to maintain in the Asia-Pacific region? Mr. Thomas. There are any number of factors that U.S. decision- makers should weigh in determining the necessary U.S. military force structure and appropriate posture to preserve the security balance in the Asia-Pacific region. Four in particular stand out in my mind. Perhaps most importantly, decision-makers should consider the potential of any change or investment to impose disproportionate costs on a competitor. Too often we only look at the price tag of an option to ourselves rather than consider the costs it might impose on a rival. Another factor in determining our posture is the degree to which it is distributed so that we can sustain combat operations under attack. We have a situation today where we are putting too many of our military ``eggs'' in to few ``baskets'' in terms of forward bases in the western Pacific. Diversifying our basing and access posture would enhance deterrence and crisis stability by reducing the opportunity for an adversary to deliver a single, no warning ``knockout blow.'' Third, decision-makers should question our investments in terms of whether or not they increase the striking power of our forward naval and air forces. Our current investment profile is skewed too much in favor of defensive systems to protect our forces rather than increasing their combat firepower. Finally, it is important not to overlook logistics as a factor. Decision makers should ensure that our combat logistics fleet is adequate to support high-intensity combat operations in the region. This may require increasing the number of logistics ships. It should also prompt decision makers to prioritize R&D efforts to facilitate reloading weapons at sea rather than transiting long distances back to ports. Mr. Forbes. The PLA Navy's expanding role in military missions other than war and new willingness to operate beyond China's immediate periphery creates opportunities to enhance maritime cooperation between the United States and China. How do you believe the United States military should leverage these opportunities for increased engagement with the PLA Navy? Mr. Thomas. PLA Navy operations in the Gulf of Aden and elsewhere expose Chinese naval personnel to multinational operations. Such operations could be further leveraged to impress upon the PLA (N) leadership the importance of standardized protocols and procedures such as those of NATO or of Coalition Maritime Forces in the Arabian Gulf and Arabian Sea. They could also help demonstrate the importance of non-commissioned officers, the need for further professionalizing the PLA (N), and the importance of adhering to shared norms and modes of conduct in international waters. In particular, such operations could provide an opportunity for engaging ``next generation'' PLA (N) officers, whose worldviews may differ considerably from older generations of officers. Mr. Forbes. Regarding United States current and planned naval modernization and recapitalization programs, do you believe the Department of the Navy is on the right track to project global power in the foreseeable future for anticipated missions the Department may have to perform in the Asia-Pacific region? What is the Department doing well? What are the gaps? Mr. Thomas. The DoN has made considerable progress conceptually since the advent of AirSea Battle. There remains, however, a lack of alignment between the DoN's conceptual advances and its investments. There are five main shortfall areas that should be addressed as priorities: The first shortfall is the carrier air wing's viability in the face of A2/AD threats, such as land-based anti-ship ballistic missiles and submarine and bomber launched anti-ship cruise missiles. The current manned strike aircraft the Navy is fielding lack sufficient endurance/ range and all-aspect stealth to conduct carrier flight operations from beyond ASBM range and penetrate sophisticated air defense networks. Their limited payloads, moreover, limit the number of fixed or mobile targets that can be engaged per sortie. The Navy's UCLASS program as currently envisaged still falls short of Secretary Mabus' vision of a system that can perform in highly contested environments. It is not clear it would have all-aspect stealth and its limited payload potentially would relegate it to serving only as a spotter for the carrier--a role that already can be performed by BAMS--and to serve as a communications relay point or inefficient tanker for manned strike aircraft. The UCLASS program should be reevaluated to ensure it would enable the Navy to exploit the mobility of the aircraft carrier in the Asia-Pacific region and provide a credible penetrating strike option. The second shortfall is in terms of the Navy's surface fleet as currently envisaged. Our cruisers and destroyers devote an increasing amount of their payload volume, sensor resources and training time to defensive missions. As A2/AD threats improve, this trend will only worsen if new capabilities are not fielded to improve their defenses and relieve them of some defensive missions. Lasers and electromagnetic rail gun will be fielded as demonstration capabilities on ships over the next two years. These capabilities should be accelerated and deployed on more ships to free VLS cells for offensive strike and surface and anti-submarine attack. Also, non-kinetic missile defenses will be improved with the fielding of systems such as the Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program (SEWIP) Blocks 2 and 3. This deployment should be accelerated to provide surface ships a non-kinetic option to defeat enemy C4ISR and missiles, as well as conduct a range of other cyber and electromagnetic attacks. New weapons such as the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) should be protected for the long- term, while in the near-term the SM-6 surface-to-air missile should be made surface and land-attack capable to increase the offensive capacity of the ships' main battery. Cruisers and destroyers should be relieved of defensive escort missions they may be tasked with in a conflict by developing an escort frigate. By providing limited area air defense and ASW capability for convoys and logistics ships, a frigate will free cruisers and destroyers, with their greater weapon and sensor capacity, to focus more on offensive missions. Undersea warfare represents a third shortfall. The DoN has greatly increased the capability and affordability of the Virginia class submarine, with the Virginia Payload Module being the most important upcoming improvement. But there are limits to a submarine-centric approach to undersea warfare. While few navies do ASW well, new sensors, the processing power of ``big data,'' and improving long-range precision weapons will make ASW easier for more fleets. We should look past the submarine being the tactical-level unit in the undersea fight and further develop the family of undersea systems including UUVs, unmanned fixed and mobile sensors, and aircraft and surface ship sensors. With improvements in automation and energy storage, unmanned systems will become more practical as tactical units, while manned submarines will increasingly be operational-level platforms as the carrier or ``big-deck'' amphibious ship is today. The fourth shortfall is in munitions. As precision defensive weapons systems become more common, successfully striking an enemy target will require an increasing number of attack weapons. This will put a premium on large magazines, reliable logistics, and at-sea reload systems. These capabilities will only be useful, however if the number and type of munitions is able to keep up with the demands of a high- tempo operation. Our current weapons need greater range and survivability to reduce the number of weapons needed to successfully attack a defended target. At the same time, overall munitions inventories need to be increased, at-sea reload capability developed, and more magazine space afforded to offense to enable the Navy to sustain operations in high-intensity combat. The fifth change needed is in expeditionary warfare. The Marine Corps would be called on in future Asia-Pacific conflicts to conduct a wide range of amphibious operations that do not include a large, multi- brigade amphibious assault. While the Marine Corps has stated they see this emerging need, the DoN's investments and plans do not yet reflect the changing nature of amphibious operations. These new operations include establishing and sustaining austere rearming and refueling bases for F-35B aircraft or conducting raids to eliminate coastal anti- ship cruise missiles and ISR stations. At the lower end of warfare, Marines will be needed to stand by in a growing number of locations to evacuate Americans from unstable countries while continuing to be first responders to humanitarian disaster. These trends argue for changes in the makeup of the ARG/MEU, better expeditionary logistics and perhaps a larger and more diverse set of ships capable of conducting amphibious operations. While the DoN has talked about the intent to do this, no concrete action has yet been taken. Mr. Forbes. The challenges associated with fiscal resource constraints stemming from the Budget Control Act of August 2011 and subsequent sequestration will make it nearly impossible for the Department of the Navy to maintain a sufficient force structure required to meet all global power requirements in the maritime domain. In the context of the ``rebalance to Asia'' strategy, what maritime naval capabilities should decisionmakers consider high-priority to develop and/or maintain given limited fiscal resources to maximize flexibility and elasticity in meeting global force projection requirements in the maritime domain? Mr. Thomas. The budget reductions of the BCA and subsequent Bipartisan Budget Agreement do not prevent DoN from making the most important investments for the future while accepting some reductions in near-term capacity. Large-scale conflict is unlikely in the next few years but the advance and proliferation of A2/AD capabilities will require the future fleet to be able to project power in the face of sophisticated defenses and while being attacked by long-range precision weapons. Four areas are especially important: 1. UCLASS: This aircraft will need to be a survivable long-range strike system with enough payload to destroy defended targets. If the aircraft is not long-range or survivable, the carrier will be unable to exploit its major advantage over land bases: mobility. Short-range tactical aircraft and UAVs will not be able to penetrate an adversary air defense envelope from far enough away for the carrier to be able to effectively conduct operations. 2. Submarines and UUVs: The DoN should accelerate development of a broader family of undersea systems including unmanned vehicles, weapons, sensors, communications and command and control systems. 3. Weapons: The Navy should accelerate defensive weapons that do not place demands on missile magazines such as lasers, railgun and high-powered microwave. On offense, long-range survivable weapons able to defeat defended targets are needed such as LRASM, SM-6 (for surface attack) and intermediate-range conventional ballistic missiles. With respect to the munitions inventory, DoD should sustain sufficient production capacity to enable increased procurement in the 2020s. 4. Logistics: Adversary A2/AD capabilities will threaten traditional ``just-in-time'' supply chains, while defended targets will require an increasing number of munitions to destroy. The Navy's current logistics approach will need to be more robust, with more CLF ships, dedicated (i.e., frigate) escorts, protected communications and an at-sea reload capability. Mr. Forbes. Although China's primary maritime focus remains regional, Beijing aspires to play a larger role in select global issues that will require a naval power projection capability. These ambitions are driving the development of PLA Navy capabilities to operate on a limited basis outside of the Western Pacific region. At what point in time, if ever, do you believe China will be able to project maritime global power similar to how the Department of the Navy projects naval power in the maritime domain? Mr. Thomas. Extra-regional maritime power projection probably remains a generational challenge for the PLA. The PLA is unlikely to follow the U.S. military playbook and may adopt different approaches to power projection. It will require developing new training pipelines, establishing a professional cadre of non-commissioned officers, constructing a maintenance infrastructure that exceeds the PLA's current maintenance posture, creating a rotational base to support overseas deployments, and establishing a network of overseas bases and facilities to support a more global military presence. There are enormous challenges associated with each of these steps. Global naval force projection would require success in all of them, which may take several decades. Mr. Forbes. The U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence projects in an unclassified assessment that China will have between 313 and 342 submarines and surface combatants by 2020, including approximately 60 submarines that are able to employ submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missiles or anti-ship cruise missiles. Do you believe the projected U.S. Navy attack submarine inventory will be able to sufficiently counter the submarine inventory of the PLA Navy? Mr. Thomas. While the U.S. submarine inventory should not be allowed to shrink below the Navy's requirement and ideally should be expanded, our submarines are only a small part of countering adversary submarines. ASW is primarily conducted by aircraft such as the P-8A and MH-60R, surface ships such as the DDG-51 and LCS with the Multifunction Towed Array and SQQ-89 sonar processor, and an integrated system of manned and unmanned sensors operated from ships and on the ocean floor. The DoN continues to make robust investments in this family of ASW systems, but this ``traditional'' approach to ASW, developed through World War II and the Cold War, will need to change in light of the long reach of adversary submarine weapons. The Navy will need to exploit advances in sensors and processing to detect enemy submarines farther from U.S. forces and employ new approaches to prevent attacks that focus on denying enemy submarines an attack opportunity as much as trying to sink them outright. Mr. Forbes. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to assert regional influence, and if so, how should the United States respond? Mr. Thomas. China's naval modernization effort buttresses its political aim to expand its regional influence in several ways. First, it confers capabilities that underwrite China's counter intervention strategy aimed at restricting U.S. access and denying it naval mastery in the western Pacific. Second, it provides options for China to gain local sea control and conduct limited regional force projection operations in its near seas. The U.S. response should include efforts to preserve or expand its most viable power projection options, such as extending the reach and striking power of its carriers, expanding the strike capacity of its undersea forces, and pursuing game changing technologies such as electro-magnetic railgun and directed energy systems that could provide new defensive options for the surface fleet. The United States should also encourage its allies and regional partners to develop their own forms of A2/AD systems, such as land-based anti-ship missile batteries and mobile air defense systems to defend their sovereign territorial waters and airspace in the face of China's maritime expansion. Mr. Forbes. Key characteristics of international order in the Asia- Pacific region include, among other things, a rules- and norms-based system grounded in international law, the use of international law and other non-coercive mechanisms for resolving disputes, market-based economies and free trade, broadly defined global commons at sea and in the air, and freedom of operations in international waters and airspace. Do you assess that China's naval modernization effort forms part of a broader Chinese effort to alter one or more elements of this international order, at least for the Asia-Pacific region, and if so, how should the United States respond? Mr. Thomas. China's naval modernization provides a coercive backstop for its non-military efforts to gradually alter the rules and norms of the international system in ways that disproportionally favor China. An important part of the U.S. response should be bolstering frontline maritime states in Asia so that they are less susceptible to Chinese coercion. Ultimately, international rules and norms may continue to evolve as they have throughout history, but the United States has an interest in opposing unilateral efforts by any state to alter them. Mr. Forbes. The United States has obligations to treaty allies in the Asia-Pacific region, particularly Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines, and certain obligations to Taiwan under the Taiwan Relations Act. As China continues to exert sovereignty claims in the Asia-Pacific region, such as its declared Economic Engagement Zones in the East and South China Seas and its recently declared Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea, how should the United States balance international obligations with China's desire to exert territorial influence in the Asia-Pacific? Mr. Thomas. The United States should make clear that it stands with its allies and regional partners in defending their sovereignty and that it opposes any unilateral moves to alter the geo-political status quo of the region. This entails bolstering the capabilities of allies and partners to defend themselves more effectively against acts of coercion or aggression. Increasingly, this requires helping allies and partners to deal with incremental paramilitary maritime encroachments. Allies and partners will need to respond in kind, by beefing up their own paramilitary surveillance forces and coast guards, as well as improving their military capabilities for air and sea denial if crises escalate. ______ QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY MR. LANGEVIN Mr. Langevin. Given the renewed focus on PLA Navy submarine construction, do you believe that our current investments in undersea warfare and ASW capabilities and training is sufficient? If not, what shortfalls are most concerning? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Langevin. The United States has enjoyed a significant advantage in C4ISR capabilities, but China has made significant efforts to acquire those same capabilities. Can you please provide additional insight as to what this means as far as enabling their other modernization investments, as well as areas where Chinese C4ISR is still lacking? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Langevin. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programs serve both as a boon to the domestic defense industry and our relationships with foreign partners. What additional opportunities exist for the enhancement of foreign military sales to other countries in the region who are wary of China's increasing activity? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Langevin. In what ways can we encourage additional productive Chinese contributions to international security mechanisms? Dr. Erickson. [The information was not available at the time of printing.] Mr. Langevin. Given the renewed focus on PLA Navy submarine construction, do you believe that our current investments in undersea warfare and ASW capabilities and training is sufficient? If not, what shortfalls are most concerning? Mr. O'Rourke. Proficiency in ASW takes effort to develop and maintain, and can erode quickly in the absence of periodic training and exercises. Since the end of the Cold War, Navy officials from time to time have expressed concern over erosion of the fleet's ASW proficiency. The Navy in recent years has increased ASW exercises and training, particularly in the Pacific fleet, with the goal of improving the fleet's ASW proficiency. Sustaining a high state of ASW proficiency will require continued devotion of resources to ASW training and exercises. ASW and undersea warfare are conducted by aircraft, surface ships, submarines, and unmanned vehicles, using various sensors and weapons. Consequently, ASW and undersea warfare encompass a large number of platform and equipment programs. Observers might focus on various programs as items that might deserve increased oversight attention. In my own work, I have called attention to the projected attack submarine shortfall (an issue I first identified in 1995 and have testified and reported on each year since) and to the value of fielding, sooner rather than later, an anti-torpedo torpedo (ATT) that would give Navy surface ships a hard-kill option for countering wake-homing torpedoes, which are not very susceptible to soft-kill countermeasures such as decoys. The projected IOC date for the ATT has shifted back and forth from one budget submission to the next in recent years, partly due to changes in funding profiles. Another area of potential focus for the subcommittee are submarine-launched unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs), which have the potential for extending the reach and mission capabilities of attack submarines. The Navy for the last several years has conducted numerous experiments and demonstrations with various submarine-launched UAVs and UUVs, but has not often transitioned these efforts into procurement programs of record. Mr. Langevin. The United States has enjoyed a significant advantage in C4ISR capabilities, but China has made significant efforts to acquire those same capabilities. Can you please provide additional insight as to what this means as far as enabling their other modernization investments, as well as areas where Chinese C4ISR is still lacking? Mr. O'Rourke. The fielding of improved C4ISR systems will improve China's ability to detect, identify, and track adversary ships and aircraft, and then target and attack them with anti-ship and anti- aircraft weapons, particularly longer range weapons such as the ASBM. More generally, the fielding of improved C4ISR systems will permit China to operate its ships and aircraft in a more networked fashion, and thereby improve their collective capability. In these ways, improved C4ISR capabilities will permit China to increase the utility of China's ships, aircraft, and weapons, and help complete and make more robust the kill chains that China needs to execute to employ its weapons, especially at longer ranges. Although China is fielding improved C4ISR capabilities, China's potential C4ISR weaknesses include a lack of operational experience in using these systems (particularly in joint operations and combat situations) and the susceptibility of these systems to countermeasures such as jamming, spoofing, computer network attack, and electromagnetic pulse. Mr. Langevin. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programs serve both as a boon to the domestic defense industry and our relationships with foreign partners. What additional opportunities exist for the enhancement of foreign military sales to other countries in the region who are wary of China's increasing activity? Mr. O'Rourke. The United States could use FMS arrangements to sell frigates, corvettes, patrol craft, land- and sea-based manned aircraft, land- and sea-based UAVs, land-based radars, and command and control systems to countries in the region, particularly the Philippines and Vietnam, with the aim of improving their ability to maintain maritime domain awareness (MDA) and defend their territorial claims and operational rights in the South China Sea. The Philippines military, in particular, currently has relatively little capability for doing these things. In the eastern and southern portions of the South China Sea, operations by Chinese Coast Guard ships for asserting and defending China's maritime territorial claims and operational rights often go uncountered by equivalent Philippine forces. To the extent that gradual consolidation of Chinese control over parts of the Spratly Islands and other South China Sea features such as Scarborough Shoal would affect U.S. interests, policymakers may wish to consider the option of accelerating actions for expanding and modernizing the Philippines' maritime defense and law enforcement capabilities. Potential FMS options for surface ships include but are not limited to variants of U.S. Navy Littoral Combat Ships (LCSs), variants of U.S. Coast Guard National Security Cutters (NSCs), Fast Response Cutters (FRCs) and (starting a few years from now) Offshore Patrol Cutters,\12\ or variants of other ships that have been built in the United States for foreign navies, such as the SAAR 5-class corvettes that were built in the 1990s for Israel and the Ambassador IV-class fast attack craft that are currently being built for Egypt. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \12\ For more on the NSC, FRC, and OPC programs, see CRS Report R42567, Coast Guard Cutter Procurement: Background and Issues for Congress, by Ronald O'Rourke. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Langevin. In what ways can we encourage additional productive Chinese contributions to international security mechanisms? Mr. O'Rourke. With regard to maritime operations, additional productive Chinese contributions to international security mechanisms can be encouraged through participation in anti-piracy operations, search-and-rescue operations, humanitarian assistance/disaster response (HA/DR) operations, multilateral exercises, international fora such as Western Pacific Naval Symposium (WPNS) and the North Pacific Coast Guard Forum (NPCGF), and bilateral military-to-military discussions. A Chinese navy frigate will reportedly help provide security for the U.S. government ship that will be used to destroy Syria's chemical weapons. Mr. Langevin. Given the renewed focus on PLA Navy submarine construction, do you believe that our current investments in undersea warfare and ASW capabilities and training is sufficient? If not, what shortfalls are most concerning? Dr. Cropsey. Even if the funds are available to build one or two Virginia-class SSNs annually from 2014 to 2043--and both the Congressional Research Service and Congressional Budget Office identify shortfalls between traditional funds available for SCN and what the Navy must spend to execute the current 30-year plan--the U.S. combat fleet will include fewer SSNs in FY43 than China's navy operates today. China is modernizing its submarine fleet and will not only increase its size but enjoy the advantage of being able to concentrate the overwhelming majority of its subsurface fleet in waters immediately adjacent to the mainland. Unless the U.S. ends or greatly diminishes its current distributed global presence it will still need submarines to patrol other parts of the world such as the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean. This is likely to create a strategically significant difference between U.S. and Chinese attack sub capabilities in the South and East China Seas. Under current plans, this is the greatest shortfall. Changing the balance in favor of the U.S. might in part be accomplished by the ASW capability of surface ships except that many of those we are planning to build (LCS) lack sufficient protection from the threat of China's growing missile and naval air forces. Mr. Langevin. The United States has enjoyed a significant advantage in C4ISR capabilities, but China has made significant efforts to acquire those same capabilities. Can you please provide additional insight as to what this means as far as enabling their other modernization investments, as well as areas where Chinese C4ISR is still lacking? Dr. Cropsey. China's once inconsiderable amphibious capability has developed impressively along with its sheer number of missiles and other platforms that threaten Taiwan. China's military is being modernized. The modernization includes substantive improvements in Chinese C4ISR. Improvements in military hard- and software have diminished the security Taiwan once enjoyed as a result of its superior technology. The example demonstrates that China can narrow the gap between itself and those of its potential adversaries who are technically superior. C4ISR is also critical to China's DF-21 missile. The missile narrows the same gap between China and U.S. military technology. If someone had suggested 20 years ago that China would be able to field a weapons system that might be able to target U.S. aircraft carriers underway at sea at a distance of 1000 miles, most experts would have been amused. They are less so today. There is no reason to doubt that China's C4ISR capabilities will substantially improve in the future. Mr. Langevin. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programs serve both as a boon to the domestic defense industry and our relationships with foreign partners. What additional opportunities exist for the enhancement of foreign military sales to other countries in the region who are wary of China's increasing activity? Dr. Cropsey. Had the F-22 production line not been closed, the planes should be sold to Japan through foreign military sales. But this is moot. More important than FMS is the defense industrial base integration with Japan that would allow, to name one example, Japan to manufacture the SM-3 missile and sell it to us and other allies thus incorporating Japan into the international defense base that helps supply the hardware on which democratic states depend for their defense. A parallel point applies to Taiwan whose geographic position in the middle of the first island chain offers the U.S. a salient in any conflict as did England's position relative to the continent in WWII. This is particularly important to U.S. and allied security because control of the first island chain in China's likely long-term plan precedes control of the second island chain (linking the Ogasawara island chain with Guam and Indonesia) and finally achieving dominant power status in the Pacific and Indian Oceans. The fall or effective Finlandization of Taiwan would be a giant stride in China's far-seeing strategy. Taiwan has respectable military force and wants submarines to protect against amphibious assault and blockade. Our nuclear boats are not a realistic option for the Taiwanese, although such air-independent propulsion boats as the German company's ThyssenKrupp Type 218SG are. No less important are the C4ISR systems which would allow the U.S. and Taiwan forces to conduct combined operations. Taiwan doesn't have these and should. The U.S. ought to encourage Taiwan to buy them through FMS and should use the FMS program aggressively to assure Taiwan's--and thus, our--security. Mr. Langevin. In what ways can we encourage additional productive Chinese contributions to international security mechanisms? Dr. Cropsey. The U.S. has invited China to participate in the naval exercise RIMPAC 2014. Chinese students attend the Asia-Pacific Center in Honolulu. Chinese naval officers regularly join in various functions at the Naval War College in Newport. Chinese naval vessels have participated for years in multi-national anti-piracy operations off the Horn of Africa. At the same time, China has recently declared limited control over large portions of international waters in the South China Sea and airspace over the East China Sea. A Chinese vessel escorting their aircraft carrier, Liaoning, crossed the bow of the guided missile cruiser U.S.S. Cowpens which narrowly avoided a collision in December 2013. And China has been sending patrol ships and aircraft into the territorial space of the contested Senkaku Islands, whose sovereignty as Japanese territory the U.S. recognizes. Dismissing this as a regional spat of no significance compared to trade between the U.S. and China ignores what Beijing sees in the matter: an example of successful execution of its ``Three Warfares'' strategy which, based on the idea that nuclear/kinetic warfare is increasingly irrelevant to achieving large strategic objectives, seeks to use psychological pressure, the murky sphere of international law, and resource claims to accomplish such goals as control over the Senkaku Islands. China's success there would validate its Three Warfares strategy, invite more of the same, and demonstrate the shallowness of Washington's security commitment to Tokyo. Asking China to participate in additional international security mechanisms now would send a message that the U.S. has all but abandoned its long-standing policy of encouraging China to become a ``stakeholder'' in the international order that their aggressive behavior contradicts. Continued U.S. efforts to persuade China to become a stakeholder in the international order should be carefully examined as should competitive strategies that would exploit the PLA's historic imitation of U.S. technology by encouraging China's military to make costly investments in technologies that produce no strategic advantage over the U.S. or our allies. But China's aggressive actions of the past year suggest that this is the wrong time to reward China by including it in additional international security mechanisms. Mr. Langevin. Given the renewed focus on PLA Navy submarine construction, do you believe that our current investments in undersea warfare and ASW capabilities and training is sufficient? If not, what shortfalls are most concerning? Mr. Thomas. I am concerned about the programmed shrinking of our attack submarine fleet, as well as the impending retirement of our SSGNs without replacement. A larger submarine force could be an important element in a competitive strategy for competing with the PLA longer term. As one of the most effective means of penetrating hostile maritime A2/AD perimeters, it would make sense to reduce the reliance on submarines for ASW. Using SSNs for ASW incurs an opportunity cost in terms of foregone strike payloads and training time. Looking ahead, we should reduce our reliance on submarines to conduct ASW and rely more heavily on relatively more cost-effective surface and air systems, as well as unattended undersea surveillance networks. U.S. investment strategy should be informed by the potential challenge of having to detect, track and engage large numbers of submarines that might be flushed from their pens in crisis, as well as the opportunity to develop an undersea ``family of systems'' including manned and unmanned underwater systems, as well as new classes of submarine-launched weapons and undersea sensors. Mr. Langevin. The United States has enjoyed a significant advantage in C4ISR capabilities, but China has made significant efforts to acquire those same capabilities. Can you please provide additional insight as to what this means as far as enabling their other modernization investments, as well as areas where Chinese C4ISR is still lacking? Mr. Thomas. C4ISR systems represent a foundational capability to enable China's whole approach to A2/AD and a core component of China's ``battle network'' that enables the PLA's arsenal of precision-guided ballistic and cruise missiles, and other strike systems. They are critical to detect, locate and track targets, as well as to transmit such information to and from headquarters and to support battle management. The PLA has made great strides improving its ability to detect and monitor naval targets at long ranges (e.g., beyond 200 miles) with a variety of land-, sea-, air-, and space-based sensors. It is unclear, however, how mature the PLA's efforts are to integrate its ISR sensors to enable cross-cueing. Sensor integration is critical, in particular, for an effective ``kill chain'' to support anti-ship ballistic missile attacks. Mr. Langevin. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programs serve both as a boon to the domestic defense industry and our relationships with foreign partners. What additional opportunities exist for the enhancement of foreign military sales to other countries in the region who are wary of China's increasing activity? Mr. Thomas. Two areas stand out thematically when it comes to future FMS. First, it is in the U.S. interest to encourage allies and partners to expand their surveillance and early warning coverage of their sovereign territorial waters and airspace. Second, as the United States already done with the sale of JASSM to Finland and SM-3 to Japan, it should consider FMS to expand the missile defense and strike options available to allies and partners in the region so that they can more equitably share the risks and responsibilities of collective defense with the United States. Mr. Langevin. In what ways can we encourage additional productive Chinese contributions to international security mechanisms? Mr. Thomas. There are a number of areas where the United States and China would benefit from closer cooperation, and where China could make greater contributions. No country is better positioned to influence North Korea and move that country toward denuclearization and internal reform. China could also play a constructive role in helping to defuse Indo-Pakistani tensions and refocus Pakistan's military and intelligence service toward addressing jihadist threats internally. In East Asia, there are two major steps China could take that would contribute significantly to international peace and security. First, China could join the United States and Russia in the Intermediate Nuclear Forces treaty and relinquish its stockpile of intermediate- range ballistic missiles, which are destabilizing the regional security balance. Second, China should sign codes of conduct with its maritime neighbors to govern maritime activities and reduce the potential for incidents at sea.