[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] NASA INFRASTRUCTURE: ENABLING DISCOVERY AND ENSURING CAPABILITY ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPACE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ SEPTEMBER 20, 2013 __________ Serial No. 113-50 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology Available via the World Wide Web: http://science.house.gov ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 85-276 WASHINGTON : 2013 ____________________________________________________________________________ For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Printing Office. Phone 202�09512�091800, or 866�09512�091800 (toll-free). E-mail, [email protected]. COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HON. LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas, Chair DANA ROHRABACHER, California EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas RALPH M. HALL, Texas ZOE LOFGREN, California F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois Wisconsin DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Texas ERIC SWALWELL, California PAUL C. BROUN, Georgia DAN MAFFEI, New York STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi ALAN GRAYSON, Florida MO BROOKS, Alabama JOSEPH KENNEDY III, Massachusetts RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois SCOTT PETERS, California LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana DEREK KILMER, Washington STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas AMI BERA, California BILL POSEY, Florida ELIZABETH ESTY, Connecticut CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming MARC VEASEY, Texas DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona JULIA BROWNLEY, California THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky MARK TAKANO, California KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota ROBIN KELLY, Illinois JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma RANDY WEBER, Texas CHRIS STEWART, Utah VACANCY ------ Subcommittee on Space HON. STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi, Chair RALPH M. HALL, Texas DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland DANA ROHRABACHER, California SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma DAN MAFFEI, New York MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Texas JOSEPH KENNEDY III, Massachusetts MO BROOKS, Alabama DEREK KILMER, Washington LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana AMI BERA, California STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas MARC VEASEY, Texas BILL POSEY, Florida JULIA BROWNLEY, California DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas CHRIS STEWART, Utah LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas C O N T E N T S September 20, 2013 Page Witness List..................................................... 2 Hearing Charter.................................................. 3 Opening Statements Statement by Representative Steven Palazzo, Chairman, Subcommittee on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives...................... 26 Written Statement............................................ 27 Statement by Representative Julie Brownley, Acting Ranking Minority Member, Subcommittee on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives........... 28 Written Statement............................................ 29 Witnesses: The Honorable Paul K. Martin, Inspector General, National Aeronautics and Space Administration Oral Statement............................................... 30 Written Statement............................................ 32 Mr. Richard Keegan, Associate Deputy Administrator, National Aeronautics and Space Administration Oral Statement............................................... 40 Written Statement............................................ 42 Discussion....................................................... 49 Appendix I: Answers to Post-Hearing Questions The Honorable Paul K. Martin, Inspector General, National Aeronautics and Space Administration........................... 68 Mr. Richard Keegan, Associate Deputy Administrator, National Aeronautics and Space Administration........................... 84 Appendix II: Additional Material for the Record Submitted statement of Representative Donna F. Edwards, Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology..................................................... 114 Submitted statement of Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, Ranking Member, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.... 116 Agency/MPCV Risk: Inability to Certify TPS Performance presentation, submitted by Representative Steve Stockman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives................................................ 117 Safety and Mission Assurance concerns related to the closure of the JSC Arc Jet Facility letter, submitted by Representative Steve Stockman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.................................. 158 Update on Closure of the JSC Arc Jet Facility and National Security Concerns letter, submitted by Representative Steve Stockman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives....................................... 161 NASA, Ames Research Center's Justification for Other than Full and Open Competition document, submitted by Representative Steve Stockman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.................................. 165 Letter submitted by Representative Bill Posey, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.. 170 Letter submitted by Representative Bill Posey, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.. 173 NASA INFRASTRUCTURE: ENABLING DISCOVERY AND ENSURING CAPABILITY ---------- FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 2013 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Science Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 9:35 a.m., in Room 2318 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Steven Palazzo [Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding. 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Welcome to today's hearing titled ``NASA Infrastructure: Enabling Discovery and Ensuring Capability.'' In front of you are packets containing the written testimony, biographies, and required Truth-in-Testimony disclosures for today's witnesses. I recognize myself for five minutes for an opening statement. The purpose of today's hearing is to address NASA's complex infrastructure issues. This is a tall order for an agency that is the ninth largest Federal Government real property holder. That includes an inventory of more than 124,000 acres, and more than 44 million square feet within approximately 4,900 buildings and other structures. However, nearly 80 percent of the agency's facilities date back to the Apollo era and are 40 or more years old. A 2012 study by NASA estimated that NASA may have as many as 865 unneeded facilities, with maintenance costs of over $24 million a year. Also, NASA has a backlog of over $2.19 billion in deferred maintenance. In order to better manage its infrastructure and facilities, NASA has established an Agency Master Plan to align its infrastructure with its mission and set up a Technical Capabilities Assessment Study to identify and evaluate Center capabilities against Agency needs. Also, various Centers are implementing innovative ways to address these infrastructure challenges such as the Langley 20-Year Revitalization Plan to right-size the Center's facilities and bring about greater efficiencies. Despite these efforts, NASA will continue to face challenges with right-sizing its infrastructure as long as it does not have a coherent and consistent roadmap for exploration. Since 2005, Congress has provided consistent guidance on how NASA should develop such a roadmap as well as the necessary funding on a go-as-you-can-pay basis. Despite our efforts, OMB and the recent Administration have chosen to divert resources from exploration to other efforts. The President's 2009 cut of $1 billion from the exploration budget, and the roughly 45 percent increase in the Earth Science budget since 2007 are just a few examples. Until the Administration allows NASA to develop a coherent exploration strategy, rather than pushing NASA toward costly, complex and controversial distractions such as the Administration's asteroid proposals, NASA will never know what infrastructure and facilities it actually needs. Setting aside this issue, I believe there are things that the Administration and Congress can do to allow NASA to better manage its facilities. NASA already has authorities to enter into Enhanced Use Lease agreements to maintain underutilized infrastructure, Space Act Agreements, traditional leases, and various other incentives. I hope the witnesses will be able to discuss how NASA is using these existing authorities. Are they being fully utilized, and does NASA have robust policies to determine which authority should be used for each facility, and whether Agency oversight is sufficient to ensure fairness and protect taxpayer equities. In addition to existing authorities, NASA and stakeholders have recommended various additional authorities such as conveyance authority, expanded Enhanced Use Lease, the establishment of a capital fund, and enhanced authority to cooperate with the commercial launch sector. While these proposals are promising, I believe that they must be accompanied by strong oversight provisions to ensure that taxpayer investments are protected. While the NASA Authorization Act of 2013 funds key NASA missions, maintains infrastructure and even increases funding for Center Management and Operations, it does not attempt to solve all of the agency's complex infrastructure issues. Instead, we have allowed time for opportunities such as this hearing to gain better understanding of NASA's challenges and options. I hope that the insights we gain today will be useful as we move forward with the NASA Authorization Act. I would be remiss if I did not mention the intense amount of interest that Members and stakeholders have in NASA's infrastructure. This is exhibited by the recent debates surrounding the Kennedy Space Center's Launch Complex 39A, the Shuttle landing facility, and the Shiloh site, as well as the Johnson Space Center's arc jet, cleanup of the Santa Susanna Site, test stand use at Stennis Space Center, as well as Hangar One and Moffett field at Ames Research Center, to mention just a few. I know many Members have opinions on these topics that directly impact their districts. I look forward to working with my colleagues, as well as NASA and the Administration to tackle these challenges. [The prepared statement of Mr. Palazzo follows:] Prepared Statement of Subcommittee on Space Chairman Steven Palazzo The purpose of today's hearing is to address NASA's complex infrastructure issues. This is a tall order for an agency that is the ninth largest Federal Government real property holder. That includes an inventory of more than 124,000 acres, and more than 44 million square feet within approximately 4,900 buildings and other structures. However, nearly 80 percent of the agency's facilities date back to the Apollo era and are 40 or more years old. A 2012 study by NASA estimated that NASA may have as many as 865 unneeded facilities, with maintenance costs of over $24 million a year. Also, NASA has a backlog of over $2.19 billion in deferred maintenance. In order to better manage its infrastructure and facilities, NASA has established an Agency Master Plan to align its infrastructure with its mission and set up a Technical Capabilities Assessment Study to identify and evaluate Center capabilities against Agency needs. Also, various Centers are implementing innovative ways to address these infrastructure challenges such as the Langley 20 Year Revitalization Plan to right-size the Center's facilities and bring about greater efficiencies. Despite these efforts, NASA will continue to face challenges with right-sizing its infrastructure as long as it does not have a coherent and consistent roadmap for exploration. Since 2005, Congress has provided consistent guidance on how NASA should develop such a roadmap as well as the necessary funding on a go- as-you-can-pay basis. Despite our efforts, OMB and the recent Administration have chosen to divert resources from exploration to other efforts.The President's 2009 cut of $1 billion from the exploration budget, and the roughly 45 percent increase in the Earth Science budget since 2007 are just a few examples. Until the Administration allows NASA to develop a coherent exploration strategy, rather than pushing NASA toward costly, complex and controversial distractions such as the Administration's asteroid proposals, NASA will never know what infrastructure and facilities it actually needs. Setting aside this issue, I believe there are things that the Administration and Congress can do to allow NASA to better manage its facilities. NASA already has authorities to enter into Enhanced Use Lease agreements to maintain underutilized infrastructure, Space Act Agreements, traditional leases, and various other incentives. I hope the witnesses will be able to discuss how NASA is using these existing authorities--are they being fully utilized, does NASA have robust policies to determine which authority should be used for each facility, and whether Agency oversight is sufficient to ensure fairness and protect taxpayer equities.In addition to existing authorities, NASA and stakeholders have recommended various additional authorities such as conveyance authority, expanded Enhanced Use Lease, the establishment of a capital fund, and enhanced authority to cooperate with the commercial launch sector. While these proposals are promising, I believe that they must be accompanied by strong oversight provisions to ensure that taxpayer investments are protected. While the NASA Authorization Act of 2013 funds key NASA missions, maintains infrastructure and even increases funding for Center Management and Operations, it does not attempt to solve all of the agency's complex infrastructure issues. Instead, we have allowed time for opportunities such as this hearing to gain better understanding of NASA's challenges and options. I hope the insights we gain today will be useful as we move forward with the NASA Authorization Act. I would be remiss if I did not mention the intense amount of interest that Members and stakeholders have in NASA's infrastructure. This is exhibited by the recent debates surrounding the Kennedy Space Center's Launch Complex 39A, the Shuttle landing facility, and the Shiloh site, as well as the Johnson Space Center's arc jet, cleanup of the Santa Susanna Site, test stand use at Stennis Space Center, as well as Hanger One and Moffett field at Ames Research Center, to mention just a few. I know many Members have opinions on these topics that directly impact their districts. I look forward to working with my colleagues, as well as NASA and the Administration to tackle these challenges. Chairman Palazzo. With that, I yield to the Ranking Member, the gentlewoman Ms. Brownley. Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding today's hearing to review NASA's infrastructure and facilities, and welcome to our witnesses. Ranking Member Edwards had another commitment this morning, and has asked me to sit in her chair, and I request that her prepared statement be entered into the record. Ranking Member Edwards and I share the same passion for ensuring that NASA has a productive and inspiring future. However, a strong and vibrant space program requires that we provide NASA with adequate resources, including the R&D tools and facilities it needs to accomplish its challenging missions and cutting edge research. I am concerned about the state of the agency's facilities and infrastructure. The fact that NASA's facilities are aging should come as no surprise. Many were built during and before the Apollo era. Today, challenged by both declining funding and an uncertain budgetary environment, NASA is trying to make due with what it is given. In that regard, I am especially concerned about adequately funding NASA's Environmental Compliance and Restoration Program, which is responsible for cleaning up hazardous materials and waste that have been released to the surface or groundwater at NASA installations, NASA-owned industrial plants supporting NASA activities, current or former sites where NASA operations have contributed to environmental problems, and other sites where the Agency is legally obligated to address hazardous pollutants. According to NASA's Fiscal Year 2014 budget requests, one of the projects planned includes investigation and clean up of contaminated groundwater, soils, and demolition at Santa Susana Field Laboratory in accordance with a consent order with the State of California. This and other planned environmental compliance restoration activities have been the result of painstaking negotiations between NASA and several States. That is why I hope to learn more about the status of NASA's actions at Santa Susanna, and about what is needed to address NASA's other longstanding facilities and infrastructure challenges. NASA's successes are a shining light of inspiration and accomplishment for our youth and our Nation, and I want to ensure that we enable NASA to continue to fill that role in the coming years. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I yield back. [The prepared statement of Ms. Brownley follows:] Prepared Statement of Subcommittee on Space Acting Ranking Minority Member Julie Brownley Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding today's hearing to review NASA's infrastructure and facilities, and welcome to our witnesses. Ranking Member Edwards has another commitment and has asked me to sit in the chair. I request that her prepared statement be entered into the record. Ranking Member Edwards and I share the same passion for ensuring that NASA has a productive and inspiring future. However, a strong and vibrant space program requires that we provide NASA with adequate resources, including the R&D tools and facilities it needs to accomplish its challenging missions and cutting-edge research. I am concerned about the state of the agency's facilities and infrastructure. The fact that NASA's facilities are aging should come as no surprise. Many were built during and before the Apollo era. Today, challenged by both declining funding and an uncertain budgetary environment, NASA is trying to make do with what it is given. In that regard, I am especially concerned about adequately funding NASA's Environmental Compliance and Restoration program, which is responsible for cleaning up hazardous materials and waste that have been released to the surface or groundwater at NASA installations, NASA-owned industrial plants supporting NASA activities, current or former sites where NASA operations have contributed to environmental problems, and other sites where the Agency is legally obligated to address hazardous pollutants. According to NASA's FY 2014 budget request, one of the projects planned includes investigation and cleanup of contaminated groundwater, soils, and demolition at Santa Susana Field Laboratory in accordance with the consent order with the State of California. This and other planned environmental compliance and restoration activities have been the result of painstaking negotiations between NASA and several states. That is why I hope to learn more about the status of NASA's actions at Santa Susana and about what is needed to address NASA's other long- standing facilities and infrastructure challenges. NASA's successes are a shining light of inspiration and accomplishment for our youth and our nation, and I want to ensure that we enable NASA to continue to fill that role in the coming years. Chairman Palazzo. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Brownley. If there are Members who wish to submit additional opening statements, your statements will be added to the record at this point. Chairman Palazzo. If there are Members who wish to submit additional--actually, at this time I would like to introduce our panel of witnesses. Our first witness is the Honorable Paul Martin, the Inspector General of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Our second witness is Mr. Richard Keegan, NASA's Associate Deputy Administrator. As our witnesses should know, spoken testimony is limited to five minutes each, after which Members of the Committee have five minutes each to ask questions. Your written testimony will be included in the record of the hearing. I now recognize our first witness, Mr. Martin, for five minutes. TESTIMONY OF THE HONORABLE PAUL K. MARTIN, INSPECTOR GENERAL, NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION Mr. Martin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Palazzo, Congresswoman Brownley, and Members of the Subcommittee, the Office of Inspector General welcomes this opportunity to discuss the challenges facing NASA with respect to its aging infrastructure and antiquated facilities. Over the past three years, we have issued 10 audits examining many of NASA's most pressing infrastructure-related issues. In my remarks this morning, I will focus primarily on our February audit that assessed NASA's efforts to reduce its unneeded infrastructure. As mentioned, NASA is the ninth largest Federal Government property holder, controlling approximately 4,900 buildings and structures, more than 80 percent of which are over 40 years old and beyond their design life. However, NASA has not been able to properly fund required maintenance for its facilities, and estimates its deferred maintenance costs at $2.3 billion. In our February audit, we identified 33 facilities, wind tunnels, test stands, thermal vacuum chambers, air fields, and launch infrastructure, that NASA was not fully utilizing or for which managers could not identify a future mission use. These facilities cost more than $43 million to maintain in 2011 alone. The need for these facilities has declined as a result of their poor condition, changes in NASA's mission, and the advent of alternative testing methods. We found that NASA's attempts over the years to address its infrastructure problems have met with limited success. Our audit identified four reasons why. First, Fluctuating and Uncertain Requirements. Changes to national space policy initiated by the President and Congress have increased the difficulty of determining which facilities NASA needs. For example, NASA's human exploration mission has transitioned from the Space Shuttle Program to the Constellation Program to the Space Launch System in just six years. Because decisions about whether to retain specific facilities depends heavily upon the missions that NASA undertakes, frequent changes to these missions complicate the Agency's efforts to manage its infrastructure. A recent example is the A-3 test stand at Stennis, which was constructed to accommodate special testing requirements for the J2-X engine. When Constellation was cancelled in 2010, the test stand was approximately 65 percent complete. Because neither the Space Launch System nor any other existing or planned NASA program requires the A-3's capabilities, NASA plans to mothball the $350 million test stand later this month once it is completed. Even so, maintenance costs for the mothballed stand may reach $1.5 million annually. Second, Agency Culture and Business Practices. Historically, NASA has practiced a decentralized approach to managing its infrastructure, leading Centers to compete for work from the Agency's major programs. A ``keep it in case you might need it'' culture has led Centers to either build or preserve facilities that duplicate capabilities elsewhere in the Agency. For example, NASA currently has 36 wind tunnels at 5 Centers, 35 rocket test stands at 6 sites, and 40 large thermal vacuum chambers at seven locations. Third, Political Pressure. The political context in which NASA operates often impedes its efforts to reduce infrastructure. During our review, we noted several examples where political leaders intervened in NASA's plans to close or consolidate Agency facilities. For example, Members of Congress opposed NASA's decision to consolidate arc jet operations at Ames, and in another matter, argued against NASA's efforts to relinquish control of Hangar One at Moffett Field. While input from federal, state, and local officials is not unique to NASA, such pressure creates additional difficulties as the Agency seeks to manage its aging infrastructure. Finally, Inadequate Funding. Disposing of facilities that NASA no longer needs is not without cost, and in many instances, requires environmental remediation. For example, under the terms of its current agreement with California, NASA estimates that the environmental cleanup at the Santa Susana Field Laboratory will cost more than $200 million. Consequently, NASA's ability to reduce its infrastructure depends on funding for cleanup and other costs associated with demolition and disposal. NASA officials readily acknowledge that the Agency has more infrastructure than it needs to carry out current and planned missions, and to its credit NASA has a series of initiatives underway that we believe are positive steps toward right sizing its real property footprint. However, many of these efforts are in the early stages and their ultimate success remains unclear. In the end, NASA's best efforts to reduce its excess facilities may be insufficient to overcome the cultural and political obstacles that have impeded past efforts. Accordingly, an outside process similar to the DoD's Base Realignment and Closure Commission may be needed to help make the difficult but necessary--infrastructure decisions. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mr. Martin follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.026 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.027 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.028 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.029 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.030 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.031 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.032 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.033 Chairman Palazzo. Thank you, Mr. Martin. I now recognize our next witness, Mr. Keegan, for five minutes. TESTIMONY OF MR. RICHARD KEEGAN, ASSOCIATE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION Mr. Keegan. Chairman Palazzo and Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss NASA's continuing efforts to balance and align the Agency's infrastructure goals with today's evolving mission requirements. Every day, NASA scientists and engineers achieve tremendous advances in the areas of human space flight, Earth Science, space science, aeronautics research, and space technology, inspiring people worldwide. These achievements would not be possible without access to reliable and cost effective physical infrastructure capabilities located across the country at NASA's 10 Centers and their associated facilities. NASA takes seriously its responsibility to be an effective steward of these capabilities, ensuring they are effective and available as needed for our current and future missions. Like other Federal agencies, NASA is challenged with managing the significant needs of an aging physical infrastructure portfolio within a budget environment that can be difficult to predict. NASA's infrastructure was largely constructed during or before the Apollo era. While our facilities are generally well-designed and constructed, age and changing mission requirements have affected the resilience and usefulness of many of our facilities. Yet in spite of these challenges, NASA continues to make significant progress on achieving our overarching facility strategy. For example, each NASA Center has one or more major facility replacement projects underway at the planning, design, or construction stage. NASA is pursuing public and private sector utilization opportunities for assets that are excess to its needs. An example is the recent agreement between NASA and Space Florida for the use of Orbital Processing Facility 3 at Kennedy Space Center. Another such opportunity is the ongoing competition regarding Kennedy's Launch Complex 39A. Given that this is an ongoing competition, it would be inappropriate for me to comment further on this particular matter today. Agency-deferred maintenance, an estimate of the essential but unfunded maintenance work necessary to bring all facilities up to standards, has decreased by 5.7 percent since 2011. The utility system replacement projects at our NASA Centers are underway, reducing the risk of major utility failures that could impact Agency operations, and the number of real property assets owned and maintained by NASA continues to decrease, thereby freeing up infrastructure dollars for other projects. NASA estimates that it will reduce administrative space by another 256,000 square feet by the year 2015 via demolition, transfer, or lease termination. Today, NASA's infrastructure decisions are guided by an Agency facility strategy defined in 2009, along with a 20-year Agency master plan that informs implementation of this strategy. NASA has also established an Agency level mission support council to integrate senior management review of decisions within the mission support portfolio, ensuring that mission requirements and facility investment are better aligned. Additionally, we have established a collaborative partnering arrangement between center and headquarters officials in order to ensure facility strategic goals are realistic, based on budget availability. In July, 2012, NASA stood up a Technical Capability Assessment Team, or TCAT, under the leadership of the Associate Administrator that was charged with developing a process for identifying and assessing each Center's technical capabilities against the current and future needs of the Agency. The team was also asked to identify areas for potential capability divestment or investment, due to changing mission needs and/or duplication of capabilities. Once complete, the team's analysis will be used from a facilities perspective to inform future Agency master planning activities, and to support future strategic facility investment decisions. In summary, NASA believes that our strategic infrastructure approach, aligned with mission requirements and guided by a well-integrated risk management practice provides the best framework for achieving the Agency's infrastructure goals in the most cost effective manner over time. We therefore appreciate this Subcommittee's continued support for NASA programs and priorities, and for the funding NASA needs to maintain, protect, and improve our Nation's valuable Space and Aeronautics Program infrastructure. I will be pleased to answer any questions you may have. [The prepared statement of Mr. Keegan follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.034 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.035 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.036 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.037 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.038 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.039 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T5276.040 Chairman Palazzo. Thank you, Mr. Keegan. I thank the witnesses for being available for questioning today. Reminding Members that Committee rules limit questioning to five minutes, the Chair will at this point open the round of questions. The Chair recognizes himself for five minutes. My question is going to be for Mr. Martin or Mr. Keegan. Both of you can answer. How does NASA's Enhance Use Leasing authority differ from the authorities granted to other Federal agencies? Mr. Keegan, you would like to start? Mr. Keegan. I am not certain the authorities other agencies have in the Enhanced Use Leasing area. I know that we use our Enhanced Use Leasing authority at five Centers currently, and I think there is more that NASA can do to take advantage of that authority. But I am not aware of a comparison with other agencies and the particular authorities they have under Enhanced Use Leasing. I know we are restricted, for example, from the nature of in-kind contributions we can accept and things like that. Chairman Palazzo. That is a good question. Mr. Martin, do you--I will come back with the in-kind limitations. Mr. Martin, do you have--would you like to add anything? Because I know there have been reports and studies, you know, talking about NASA's Enhanced Use Leasing authority compared to other agencies. I am assuming you all read these and can kind of glean best practices. Mr. Martin. Yes, I was going to comment on the same thing Rick mentioned that is the limitation on Enhanced Use Leasing. The in kind contributions need to be tied to some type of---- Mr. Keegan. Energy. Mr. Martin. --energy-dependent type thing, and I think as we talk about what are possible changes that Congress may consider, it may be removing that limitation. Chairman Palazzo. Would you like to expand on that to maybe address possibly commercial space endeavors and others, because it is limited to just energy--environmental projects at this time. Mr. Keegan. I know that NASA requested authority this year to accept commercial revenue under tightly controlled circumstances where we share, for example, a launch complex. I know the Air Force has--or DoD has that authority where they can accept a commercial vendor's funding to fund a support contract at that launch facility to provide services to all the launch vehicles, government and commercial, and giving NASA that authority would give us--it might provide some leveraging of resources, but also from a private industry point of view, create common business practices, whether it is a NASA launch site or DoD launch site. Chairman Palazzo. If we expand these authorities, would you all like to--I mean, how would we go about A) making sure it is uniform and fair across all the Centers, and B) how are we going to protect the taxpayer investment and making sure that we are getting the right return on these agreements and authorities? Mr. Keegan? Mr. Keegan. I think, first of all, any degree of oversight, you know, the Committee would want to exercise would be important, but NASA would develop internal procedures for the use of those authorities that would make sure that we make decisions that are optimum from an agency level that are equitable across the Centers, and that do protect the taxpayer interest to get the, you know, the most and maximum benefit out of the assets that they have funded, you know, at NASA. Mr. Martin. Mr. Chairman, if I could just add to that? Chairman Palazzo. Yes, Mr. Martin. Mr. Martin. The broader issue on leasing is that leasing is a valuable mechanism that NASA can use to help pick up some of its operations and maintenance costs. We did a review looking at NASA's leasing practices, and our bottom line conclusion there--quite frankly, there were several. One is that NASA-- before you can enter into an Enhanced Use Lease or a traditional lease, NASA needs to make a decision that it needs to retain that facility or property for a future mission use. We found that NASA wasn't making that decision as a threshold matter. You are not supposed to use leasing of in kind as a substitute for disposal, demolition, or giving over it to GSA. So that is a threshold issue. The threshold decision is does NASA have a future mission use for this facility or property? And if so, our audit found that NASA was not aggressively promoting these leasing opportunities at its Centers. Chairman Palazzo. I mean, that comes back to we really need a roadmap for where NASA is going to explore next so we can actually determine what facilities and infrastructure that we truly need. Would you agree with that, Mr. Keegan? Mr. Keegan. Yes, I think a definitive roadmap obviously would allow us to focus our facility investments, sort of have more certainty about where we are going and the kind of investments we need to make. Chairman Palazzo. Mr. Martin? Mr. Martin. I would agree as well. We pointed out in our written and oral remarks that changing the focus of these sort of big ticket, long-term missions, and focused primarily on human exploration, is costing the taxpayers a significant amount of money. Chairman Palazzo. I have a tendency to agree, and I think that is one of the reasons why the NASA 2013 Authorization Act does direct NASA to come up with a roadmap so that we can know where we are going, and then we can all focus on getting there. So I appreciate your questions. My time is expired. I now recognize Ms. Brownley for five minutes. Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and my question is directed to Mr. Martin. Your office's February 2013 report on NASA's environmental remediation efforts at the Santa Susana Field Laboratory appears to question NASA's 2010 agreement with the State of California to clean up NASA's portion of the site to background levels. It says, and I quote, ``NASA has agreed to clean its portion of the Santa Susanna site to a level that exceeds the generally accepted standard necessary to protect human health in light of the expected future use of the site.'' In your report, are you suggesting that NASA not comply with the agreement, and if so, could you clarify its findings and recommendations? Mr. Martin. Sure. Our recommendation is just as you spelled it out. The Santa Susana Field Laboratory, we believe that NASA needs to investigate any and all alternatives for reaching a more, we think, appropriate resolution of the environmental remediation based on the future use of the site. The agreement that NASA has entered into, as you indicated, would be to clean the Santa Susana Field Laboratory, NASA's portion, to a background level, which will cost taxpayers over $200 million. Given that the expected future use is for recreational purposes, cleaning up to that level will cost the taxpayers $25 million. And so we were laying the facts out there that NASA should do everything in its power to clean--to follow, I think, what is the normal practice and clean this site for its expected future use. Ms. Brownley. Okay. Well, I think the future use I think is still--I don't think it is defined necessarily to strictly recreational areas, but I know that there is some interest in moving in that direction. But the agreement certainly was very carefully negotiated, certainly by the State of California and DTSC, and there was a reason I think the State felt and I certainly concurred that cleaning up to background levels was the appropriate clean up for it to be safe for potentially recreational use or other uses. But I appreciate your comment on that. I guess I would follow up with Mr. Keegan with regards, again, to the Santa Susana Field Lab and its clean up. So I understand, certainly my interpretation and I think the State of California's interpretation on the AOC is that the agreement is it will get cleaned up to these background levels. I know that there was recently a completed EIS report, and the purpose of that EIS report was to determine the best ways in which this clean up could occur. I think we are in the process of a public comment period as we speak, which ends, I think, on October the 1st. So I was just wondering with the EIS report and that process that is going on if you could just comment from your vantage point what is the status of NASA's actions with respect to the clean up of your portion of that site? Mr. Keegan. Yes, Congresswoman. All the information you just related is my understanding as well of where we are. The draft EIS is open for comment until October 1, and we expect a final EIS in November, and NASA is committed to fulfilling our obligations under the AOC. There is sufficient funding in our FY14 request to accomplish all the activities that are planned for FY14, leading to fulfilling our commitments under the AOC. Ms. Brownley. So regardless then of what the IG may be recommending, your commitment is still to the agreement with the AOC? Mr. Keegan. We are committed to the agreement under the AOC. Ms. Brownley. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much, and I will yield back my time. Chairman Palazzo. Thank you. I know recognize Mr. Brooks for five minutes. Mr. Brooks. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Which one of you two would be best to share information about launch pad 39A? Do you both have insight on it? Mr. Martin. The Inspector General's office has not done any audits or reviews of the current--certainly the current RFP that is on the street for leasing. We have looked more broadly at launch infrastructure, but we have not looked specifically at pad 39A or 39B. Mr. Brooks. Mr. Keegan? Mr. Keegan. I can talk in general terms about pad 39A as an asset, but not about the ongoing competition, because it is a matter that is under competition and we want to preserve the integrity of that competition. Mr. Brooks. Are you familiar with the accumulated taxpayer costs for the construction and maintenance of launch pad 39A? Mr. Keegan. The current replacement value if we were to build a new one just like that is over half a billion dollars. It is $535 million. Mr. Brooks. Five hundred thirty-five million dollars. Are you familiar with the annual maintenance costs for launch pad 39A? Mr. Keegan. When it was in operations, it was about $12 million a year. Now in the mothball status when we are doing only a minimal amount of maintenance, it is $1.2 million. Mr. Brooks. Well, I do want to address as best as possible the announcement for proposals or request for proposals concerning 39A. It has come to my attention that it is possible that under the current proposal situation that 39A could be taken over by one private company. Is that an accurate perception that I have? Mr. Keegan. The AFP, which is a public document, is open to proposals for either single user use or multi-user use of pad 39A. We don't express a preference for the operational concept. Mr. Brooks. Are you familiar with SpaceX's proposal? Mr. Keegan. I probably should not comment on that. Mr. Brooks. Are you familiar with it? That is my first question, not whether you should comment on it. Mr. Keegan. Yes. Mr. Brooks. And is it public? Mr. Keegan. No. Mr. Brooks. The information I have from the Committee staff and also from letters by my colleagues in the House and then also individuals in the Senate to NASA, they express concern that the way things are going, NASA may turn over launch pad 39A to a single user, SpaceX, which would be to thee exclusion of other commercial space providers and also potentially to the exclusion of launch pad 39A being a backup for the Space Launch System. Is there any merit to those concerns expressed by my colleagues in the House and their letters to NASA, and then also by Members of the United States Senate? Mr. Keegan. I would--as I said earlier, the AFP that NASA issued indicated that we were open to either a single user concept or a multi-user concept. With respect to SLS, I think our analysis indicated that pad 39B is more than sufficient under any reasonable scenario to fully subscribe--to fully meet the requirements of SLS. As a matter of fact, it won't fully subscribe 39B. 39B has the potential to do a lot more, and so to achieve that maximum potential, we are looking to make 39B a multi-user launch pad. Mr. Brooks. Well, I have serious concerns and reservations with NASA's potential plans to lease Kennedy Space Flight Center's launch complex 39A exclusively to one company. If you would, please explain to me and the panel what benefit it is to taxpayers for one commercial provider to have sole use of pad 39A, regardless of which commercial provider that may be. Mr. Keegan. I am not sure how much I should say about this. I would just say that the AFP provides the criteria under which NASA will make a selection in best interest of the public to get the maximum benefit for the public out of that asset that taxpayers have invested in. Mr. Brooks. Well that being the case, as much as I can, I would encourage NASA to make launch pad 39A a multi-user facility. I have reservations about the potential adverse impact on our space program of one of our primary launch pads being taken over by one user, which in my judgment, would tend to both stifle competition, which I think is a good thing, on the one hand, and on the other hand, reduce the ability of 39A to be used as a backup, should it be necessary for either other private users or by NASA itself. I see my time has expired, but I hope that you will take my concerns and the concerns of other Members of Congress and of the United States Senate into account as NASA wrestles with this matter. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. I now recognize Mr. Kilmer. Mr. Kilmer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to follow up on the previous gentleman's line of questioning. A handful of questions. If launch complex 39A is run as a multi-use facility, I understand the commercial companies involved want to make it multi-user. Has NASA completed fully converting launch complex 39B into a multi-user facility, and if not, what is the remaining cost of doing so? And if so, can we assume that no more taxpayer funds are needed to modify 39B for multiple users? Mr. Keegan. The work to convert pad 39B is not fully complete, but I don't have the cost figures. We are in that scheduled process. If you like, I could provide that for the record. Mr. Kilmer. Thank you. In addition, can you talk about how those costs compare to the $1.2 million of maintenance costs that you just spoke about related to pad 39A? Mr. Keegan. The cost for conversion of 39B or ultimately for the cost of maintenance? Mr. Kilmer. Both. Mr. Keegan. I don't have the specifics on that, but again, I can provide that for the record. I am certain that an active launch pad would cost more to operate and maintain than the $1.2 million to maintain a mothball launch pad. Mr. Kilmer. Okay. Thank you. The rest of my questions were covered. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize Mr. Stockman for five minutes. Mr. Stockman. Thank you. I remember when the Columbia had its unfortunate accident, and the one thing that they mentioned in the after report was the inability for NASA to focus on safety, and the culture--as you recall, the culture of safety was not there. And yet, I have this report in front of me, an internal review, which talks about safety. Some of the concerns I have are in regards to arc jet. Mr. Martin, are you familiar with the closing of arc jet? Mr. Martin. I am familiar with the consolidation of the arc jet. Mr. Stockman. Are you familiar also with the report that I hold in my hand? It is called ``The Inability to Certify TPS Performance.'' It was issued March 8, 2012. Mr. Martin. I have not personally read it. Mr. Stockman. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I ask that this report be submitted for the record, and that one of the things---- Chairman Palazzo. Without objection. [The information appears in Appendix II] Mr. Stockman. One of the things it states, actually, your report is that this closing of arc jet could raise--and this is all quote from your own report--from NASA's own report. ``We believe the loss will impact our ability to certify TPS or in tests next year.'' And I am wondering if you could take an opportunity to look at this. I mean, you and I or both of you could look at this and understand, I think, the mistake that is going forward on consolidating the arc jets, because quite frankly, it is going to impact safety. That is not me, that is--also, we have two letters from other individuals which I would like to also submit for the record---- Chairman Palazzo. Without objection. [The information appears in Appendix II] Mr. Stockman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am wondering, if you haven't heard of this, why not and would you consider looking at this if we turned it over to you? Mr. Martin. If I could, as a point of clarification, I am with the Inspector General's office. That is not our report. That is probably Mr. Keegan's report or big NASA's report or an advisory group. So I am not familiar with it because the Office of Inspector General has not issued that report. I would be happy to read any piece of paper that anyone puts in front of me---- Mr. Stockman. Okay. Mr. Martin. --to inform our independent review of NASA. Mr. Stockman. But I am just saying is the person that is-- and we all remember the tragedy, and I just think that wisdom dictates that we take a look at what they are recommending and what is going on. And what is going on now is that we are transferring arc jet, and in the meantime, diminishing NASA's ability to create a culture of safety. I would think that you would be interested as Inspector General--that this would be something that would be critical to your office. Mr. Martin. The culture of safety is critical to my office. Absolutely. Consolidating NASA's infrastructure is also critical. Mr. Stockman. But you wouldn't want to do it at the expense of safety, would you? Mr. Martin. Not if there is a tradeoff. Safety would come first. Mr. Stockman. Okay. Well, I want to point to you that this is what is happening. In order to cut literally $5 million out of a very large budget, it is questioning the rationale behind that and I am just really concerned that we are going to repeat our mistakes. I guess, Mr. Keegan, you have something to say or do you want to comment on it? Are you more familiar with it? Mr. Keegan. I am not familiar with any official NASA report that comes to that conclusion. I know our chief engineer and a whole team of engineers across the Agency looked at this closely and determined that we could safely make this transition. So---- Mr. Stockman. Well, that is not what your own report says, or the experts. I am just letting you know. I will give it to you. I will give you the letters, I will give you your own report which I highly recommend you read. I think that if this comes out down the road that we have problems then it is going to be looked back that we didn't do our jobs, that we on the Committee turned a blind eye to NASA documents and said we are going to go forward with a policy that is going to be detrimental to safety. And I just have to tell you, for me, that raises real concerns and I am glad you are open to reading this. I will forward you the documents and I hope you take into consideration. My time is also run out, but if you guys could come by my office sometime and you want to speak with me, I would be happy to do so, but this is a fear that we are going to repeat the same mistakes we did before by making safety secondary to $5 million. It just doesn't make sense. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize Mr. Bera. Mr. Bera. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will just register support for the comments that Mr. Brooks and Mr. Kilmer made with regard to some concern about the launch complex 39A decision-making process, and I would register that I actually think it would be in our interest to have that as a multi-user facility. My line of questioning is actually going to be a little bit different. Based off of Mr. Martin's opening testimony and based off of my vast congressional experience of 9 months on this committee, it seems as though we have gone through several missions just in that nine months. You know, when I first got here, it seemed like the mission was we were going to look for manned space travel to Mars, and we talked about asteroid retrieval. Then there was a shift to a mission to the Moon. I think you were very clear in your testimony that the first step we have to do is actually come up with a strategic plan, that we actually have to have a mission and a roadmap, and I think this committee has made that recommendation. Because if you don't have that long-term plan, if you don't have that roadmap, how are we going to make the decisions on what facilities to keep, what facilities not to keep, what to decommission, what the best process is? I would love to hear your thoughts on that, either one of you. But again, I think that is the critical issue here, how you get NASA, the Administration, and Congress on the same page to come up with a single mission in a single timeframe, and then we can make decisions. You know, if we want to go to Mars, is the best step to go to the Moon? Is the best step to do asteroid retrieval? So we need that clarity of mission, would you guys agree? Mr. Keegan. Yes, Congressman, I would certainly agree that the more definitive your technical roadmap for your mission requirements, the more you can tailor and optimize the limited resources you have to invest, especially in these large cost items that Mr. Martin mentioned. So that would help. I would say also that NASA agrees that we can also do better just in the situation we are in as pointed out in the Inspector General's report to do a better job within our existing authorities and our existing situation to dispose of our excess infrastructure as well. Mr. Bera. Mr. Martin, would you agree with that? Mr. Martin. Well, as the Office of Inspector General, we are not permitted to have any original thoughts or opinions. We are not management, we just come behind management after they have made a decision and criticize that decision. Mr. Bera. So let me change the question. Would you agree lack of mission clarity makes it much harder to make some of these decisions on what assets to keep and what assets not to keep? Mr. Martin. Absolutely. Mr. Bera. Okay. Mr. Martin. Absolutely, and then if I could, beyond the human exploration, you know, the scientific mission, which is obviously a massive component of what NASA does, the thermal vacuum chambers and a lot of the big ticket--the wind tunnels, the very expensive infrastructure that NASA has, you need to have a map. Mr. Bera. Right. So my challenge to this body, my challenge to the Administration, my challenge to NASA's leadership is that we need to lock ourselves in a room, we need to agree on a mission, and we need to agree on a timeframe by which we hope to accomplish that mission, similar to President Kennedy giving us a challenge in the 1960s, to get this clarity, because how can you make decisions, how can you look at assets without knowing where we want to head? So that is not a question, that is just a rhetorical comment. The other thing, Mr. Martin, in your testimony was the decision-making process. NASA as a large organization has to make central decisions. Each facility can't make their own decision--because they are based on the interest of that particular facility. Again, we are in times of tight budgets and we have to have a better decision-making process. So again, that is not a question, it is just a comment. The decision- making process is going to get more complicated as well because, you know, we are seeing this shift from a largely public government agency to one that is becoming a public- private partnership, and that adds just another dimension of complexity. So again, not a question but just an observation. I will make one final comment. Again, I hope this body, this committee, the Administration, and NASA's leadership can come to an agreement on what our mission is, what our timeframe is, and then just agree and let's start moving forward and let's go forth and accomplish that mission. Mr. Chairman, I will yield back. Chairman Palazzo. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize Mr. Hall for five minutes. Mr. Hall. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to be here, and I am pleased at a guy named Olin ``Tiger'' Teague, whose portrait is right over here, he is watching and I hope he is listening to all of this, because I am a very pro-NASA guy, always have been since I have been here. I asked, through him, to get on the NASA Committee and Energy and Commerce, and received both of them back in 1981. I have been with this Committee ever since. I have seen some things I have disagreed with, but I think they always try to be fair, and I guess that is what we are asking for here. I presume that NASA has a statutory mission obligating it to ``seek and encourage to the maximum extent possible the fullest commercial use of space.'' That is a very good statement. You can comment on that, can't you, sir? Mr. Keegan. Yes, that is a very good statement. Mr. Hall. You subscribe to that, don't you, when you comment---- Mr. Keegan. I subscribe to that. Mr. Hall. And with that mission in mind, I have some questions about the process NASA is using to determine the disposition of launch complex 39A and 39B at Kennedy Space Center. These are national assets that cost millions of dollars as has been testified to here to construct that are historic sites of numerous space launches. And I don't have a Texas angle here. Johnson Space Center and Mr. Tiger are not involved here directly, but these launch pads certainly have an interest to all Americans in how they are going to be utilized to the greatest extent possible in the future, and how they will be maintained in the Florida environment. So it is my understanding that NASA is considering launch pad 39B for its own use in the future and is considering awarding the use of pad 39A for commercial industry use. Do you understand that and agree to that? You both agree to it? You think that is a good way to do it? Mr. Keegan. I would put it somewhat differently. With the end of the Shuttle Program, NASA and Kennedy in particular identified assets that we would no longer require to implement our program, and in January, 2011 put out an announcement of availability to provide broad information about those assets. Pad 39A was one of those assets, the Shuttle launch facility was another one, Orbiter Processing Facility 3 was yet another, so---- Mr. Hall. Okay, I thank you for that, and I will get to that. In regards to launch pad 39A, is NASA doing all it can to, as I have quoted up here, ``encourage to the maximum extent possible the fullest commercial use of space.'' Mr. Keegan. Yes, that is a criteria in the AFP and we will evaluate the proposals according to criteria in the AFP. Mr. Hall. Some have argued that NASA should operate 39A as a multi-user facility, given the significant investment by the taxpayers, roughly $500 million. Please explain the rationale if 39A were not to be operated as a multi-user facility. Mr. Keegan. The rationale would be that the proposed use in that scenario would best meet the criteria that we laid out in the RPF and provide the best benefit for the Nation of the investment in that facility. Mr. Hall. What steps can NASA take to ensure that out- leases are awarded through an open, competitive, and fair process? Mr. Martin, will you respond to that? Mr. Martin. Well, I think they have. They have the RFP, the request for proposals right now, and you have a decision-making process at NASA Headquarters which NASA currently is involved in. Again, as an Office of Inspector General, if there are any complaints or allegations that the process was somehow circumvented---- Mr. Hall. I understand your---- Mr. Martin. --we will jump in. Mr. Hall. --thrust there. Who will make the decision for 39A, personnel at Kennedy Space Center or NASA Headquarters? Mr. Keegan. That decision will be made at NASA Headquarters and I will be the source selection. Mr. Hall. One more question about the closure of Johnson Space Center, and it is not--we don't--Johnson is not in this battle. But the NASA authorization of 2010, Sections 1102 and 1103 required NASA to conduct an institutional requirement study which has driven NASA's action to consolidate, retire, outsource, and revitalize various facilities. However, the language in Section 1105 states ``Prior to receipt by the Congress of the study, recommendations, and implementations strategy developed pursuant to Section 1103, none of the funds authorized under this Act may be used to transfer the functions, missions, or activities and associates civil service and contractor positions from any NASA facility without authorization by the Congress to implement the proposed strategy.'' To your knowledge, has NASA complied with the law, Mr. Inspector General? Mr. Martin. I am actually unfamiliar with that particular portion. I have not heard that they haven't complied with the law. Mr. Hall. Congressional Members have asked multiple times through letters, and I understand that the delegation from Florida has stated their position and I respect that. I would do the same thing if I was on their--operated out of Florida instead of Texas. I just think that fairness is fairness, and ask this last question. Is Ames arc jet facility able to fulfill all of NASA's needs, Mr. NASA? Mr. Keegan. It will be when we complete the transition. Mr. Hall. Mr. Chairman, I thank the witnesses and I thank you. I yield back. Chairman Palazzo. I now--the Chair now recognizes Ms. Bonamici for five minutes. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the witnesses. One of the things that we have talked about a lot in this subcommittee is the importance of and need to maintain United States leadership in space and aeronautics going forward, so I wanted to talk a little bit about the National Academy's assessment of the NASA laboratories. In that assessment, the panel, after assessing the NASA laboratories use for basic research, recommended that NASA increase resources to its aeronautics laboratories and facilities to attract and retain the best and brightest researchers, and to at least remain on par with international aeronautical research organizations in Europe and Asia. So it is worth noting, too, that the panel found that the equipment and facilities at NASA's basic laboratories are inferior to those at comparable Department of Energy laboratories, top tier U.S. universities, and corporate research laboratories. You know, it goes without saying that without the modern and capable facilities, it is hard to remain competitive with the rest of the world. So Mr. Keegan, in your prepared statement, the following reference to the National Research Council about the NASA laboratories, you state that ``NASA is evaluating the replacement of several laboratories that will support the Agency's future research needs.'' So can you please talk a little bit about that effort and how you are weighing the importance of remaining competitive in the research field? How are you bringing in stakeholders on that task and how are you making research a priority? Mr. Keegan. I would say that NASA is very concerned about the issue of having state-of-the-art research facilities and being able to attract the best and the brightest to work at NASA. In the NRC report, they cited the Exploration Sciences Building at Goddard as an example of a renewal facility or repair by replacement facility that included state-of-the-art laboratory facilities, and we have several similar facilities in planning or in design right now where we would replace old, antiquated facilities with a new, energy efficient, smaller footprint building but at the same time, including state-of- the-art laboratory facilities. Ms. Bonamici. And what is the basis of the definition? I understand it is future research needs. Where is that decision coming from, and who has input into that? Mr. Keegan. The broader research community has input to it through the various standing mechanisms, but the--basically it is a decision that is made at the strategic level at NASA Headquarters in terms of where to put our priorities in terms of the research we should emphasize. Ms. Bonamici. Well, I want to align myself with Mr. Bera's comments, too, about the need to have a clear mission, and again, that is critical to the work that you are doing but all of NASA as well. Can you talk a little bit about the--what is apparently a $2 billion deferred maintenance backlog. Is that getting worse, better, or staying about the same and what do you need to significantly reduce that deferred maintenance backlog? Mr. Keegan. The deferred maintenance backlog is a measure of all the maintenance that it would take to bring all of our facilities up to current standards. It has accumulated and grown over the years, historically because NASA has not been able to carve out sufficient funding to maintain facilities up to standard from limited resources. Since 2011, it has come down and the way we were able to make progress against that was through the use of demolition--if you demolish a facility with a lot of accumulated deferred maintenance that comes off the books--and by our repair by replacement approach, where we replace old, antiquated facilities with newer, more efficient, flexible facilities, and again, we get rid of that accumulated backlog of deferred maintenance. So we have had a little success in the last couple years through using those strategies. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you, and can you follow up a little bit on the similar capabilities, smaller footprint strategy, and talk about why NASA settled on this strategy versus other options, and how is it going? And I want to ask Mr. Martin, too, based on your work, to what extent is NASA positioned to make progress on carrying out the similar capabilities, smaller footprints, and what might be the barriers? Mr. Keegan. We chose that because we thought we didn't want to reduce the capability that NASA had, but we thought it had to exist in a smaller footprint because the resources weren't available to maintain sort of the capability suite that we have. Mr. Martin. I think the jury is still out about how successful. We are seeing some of the dynamics during this hearing here, some of the cultural and historic influences within NASA about shedding itself from a Center and program- specific area. We are seeing some of the, as GAO calls it, stakeholder influences, the political influences that individual Members of Congress don't want to diminish the capabilities of NASA Centers within their jurisdictions. It is very complex and dynamic. I think it is too early to tell specifically though how this is going to play out. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you, and my time is expired. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Palazzo. Mr.--the Chair now recognizes Mr. Posey for five minutes. Mr. Posey. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I am sure we have all been witness to the fact it often seems that everyone in the rooms knows how to make a baby stop crying, except the person who is holding it. In the interest or balance, I would like to enter into the record and briefly quote a couple of the letters referred to a few minutes ago by the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Hall. Chairman Palazzo. Mr. Posey, I am going to reserve the right to object to the inclusion of this material into the record until my staff and I have the time and opportunity to review it. Mr. Posey. Mr. Chairman, with all due respect I will yield to that. I haven't ever heard of that rule before. Chairman Palazzo. Neither have I, until the last minute so why don't we do this? Since I have already done it twice, we will do it a third time. Without objection. [The information appears in Appendix II] Mr. Posey. Thank you. I would just like to read a couple of lines of it. We won't enter it into the record until you have had a chance to prove it. But it says ``We write to voice our continued support of NASA's ongoing effort to quickly and efficiently lease their costly, excessive space launch infrastructure and other assets for commercial use consistent with--'' and it gives all the Federal regulations. ``Two decades ago, the United States was a world leader in commercial launches. Today, that has virtually disappeared. However, there are American launch companies that are committed to changing that.'' And we basically talk in this letter, then, about the rest of the world, China, Russia, et al, are launching commercial satellites left and right while our best launch pads sit there and rot. We commend NASA for moving forward, essentially, and I think you will be pleased to include the letter when you have the opportunity to read it, or your staff does. You know, Kennedy Space Center and NASA is asking for proposals for both single and multi-user pad use. People here are trying to weigh in, actually, before that process is completed. Our position is we need to complete the process. We are not taking sides on the formal configuration of the launch pad, whether single or multi-use, although they are looking at both. We just want our space program to move forward. We want to alleviate the Monday morning quarterbacking and second guessing. We have Inspector Generals that do that for us. You know, we have used charts and we have seen charts in this Committee that are a matter of record that show over two dozen of our space programs--we call them missions to nowhere--over the last two decades, and billions and billions and billions of dollars wasted because we have the parochial interest of different members trying to micromanage what NASA does. It is like a city councilman trying to tell police chief who to arrest and who not to arrest. I think that is a big problem and that is the essence for this letter. A question I have for the Inspectors--and I have several. I hope we have time for a second round today. Earlier this summer, the Kennedy Space Center selected Space Florida to operate their former Shuttle landing facility. It is well-known that the Federal Government can prove difficult for private industry to partner with, obviously, because the government has many bureaucratic policies and procedures. Can you tell me what steps NASA is taking to ensure Space Florida's success in attracting commercial business to the KSC former Shuttle landing facility? Mr. Keegan. My knowledge of that process is that we are anticipating negotiations with Space Florida beginning soon and anticipate a lease award in December. I am unaware of any issues in that regard. Mr. Posey. Okay, thank you. NASA has determined that much of its former Shuttle infrastructure at Kennedy Space Center, including 39A, is no longer needed by the space agency. If NASA is unable to attract private companies to utilize these facilities, what will happen to them, just for the record? Mr. Keegan. They will be excessed and demolished or abandoned. Mr. Posey. At a loss of a significant investment. Mr. Keegan. That capability will no longer be there. Mr. Posey. Thank you. Do you believe that NASA has the legal authority it needs to expeditiously deal with their excess or underutilized property? Mr. Keegan. I think yes, we have the authority to effectively deal with that, yes. Mr. Posey. Okay, my time is up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Chairman Palazzo. Mr. Posey, are you done? Okay. I just want to remind you also that your letter has been entered into the record without objection. I do just want to remind all the Members it is normal practice to allow staff to review your letters for the record or reports for the record, so if we could, we will try to do that in the future. Mr. Posey. One question, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Palazzo. Yes. Mr. Posey. There were two letters. There was a bipartisan letter signed by every Democrat and every Republican member of the delegation in the House, and there was one signed bipartisan, both our Democratic and our Republican Senator signed a similar letter. Are both of those bipartisan unanimous letters admitted for the record? Chairman Palazzo. They will be without objection. Mr. Posey. Thank you, and I apologize if you had not had the chance to see these letters before. I thought we had supplied you copies of them. Mr. Hall had copies of them and some of the other Members did, and I do apologize if you did not get them. Chairman Palazzo. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Veasey. Okay, he is good. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Rohrabacher. Mr. Rohrabacher. Thank you very much. I wasn't expecting that. Just one note, I have been here 25 years and people ask me, what is the thing that you are the proudest of that you have accomplished in Congress? Now with Ralph, he has been here a lot longer and had a lot more accomplishments than I have, so it doesn't take me a long time to figure out what it is that I am the most proud of. And one of the things I am most proud is that I am the author of this Commercial Space Act of 2004. I think that bill, that piece of legislation has done more to change America for the better than anything that I have done in 25 years. Now my Democratic colleagues wouldn't be surprised that that is the only thing that I am lauding right now, but the fact is is that we all worked together and this is the great thing about this Committee is that we do work together as Democrats and Republicans and try to get things done because we believe in space, but we also believe in science and technology as an energy source for our country to improve its condition and the condition of our people. If America is to remain the leading Nation or at least a leading Nation in space, we must ensure that the energy and the creativity of the American commercial space industry is brought into the play in a big way. To the degree that we have not laid the foundation so that the creative genius and investment by people in the private sector can take place, well, we will be limiting America's role and America's leadership in space. So that is one of the things that we are talking about, facilities. It is really important that we use our facilities in a way that is maximized, that are going to maximize bringing in private sector involvement and investment, especially if we are talking about assets that are now not being used and are not likely to be used by NASA. We have some--let me just note, I know that there is a controversy about this space pad 39A, and I will just say this. We need--right now, we need to make sure that whatever decision is made, it is going to make sure that that asset is put to use for--as soon as possible for as long as possible in producing a service or producing an activity that will benefit our people. We have got people in the private sector who want to use that. If it is determined that one decision will mean that that pad is not being used, well, we shouldn't make that decision. There is a decision that says well, it is going to be used right away and it is going to be put to use as soon as possible, well that is a decision that we should be doing. We shouldn't be--and that is just my advice. That was the spirit behind that bill, the Commercial Space Act. Let's get as many people involved and invested in space and space activities as we can and as soon as we can. So that is my bit of advice on how to solve that problem. I am not being specific because I don't have the wisdom to go through all of the, you know, paperwork to make that determination. But I would say it should be based on that concept and also it should be based not on the philosophy, but on what practically will have that impact. I think I am going to leave it at that. I would yield my friend, Mr. Stockman, 60 seconds. Mr. Stockman. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, as a follow up to my questions to Mr. Richard Keegan on the safety concerns of the internal NASA report, I cited I would ask that part of my questions for the record for the NASA Chief of Safety and Missions Assurance address the concerns and response to the Committee. I understand that safety is not necessarily Mr. Keegan's job, but is in NASA's witness before us today, so I ask that that follow up occur, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Mr. Keegan. And I would say that our Administrator has told us safety is every one of our jobs, so---- Mr. Stockman. So you can go on the record that you will show this to the head of the safety? Mr. Keegan. Yes. Mr. Stockman. Okay, thank you. Mr. Rohrabacher. And my time is up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Palazzo. Well thank you. At this time, we will--we do have a little time before votes are going to be called. They estimate it is going to be at 10:50. There are--I believe some members have said they would like to ask a few more questions, so if you don't mind, we will go into a second round. At this time, we will go into a second round of questions. Just real quick, Mr. Keegan. How does NASA decide if a facility is underutilized? In some of the follow up aspects of your answer, include the standard criteria that would be used. What is the process for making such a determination, and of course, what type of oversight provisions exist to ensure that this process is not manipulated or taken advantage of? Mr. Keegan. It is, first of all, an open agency discussion with all of the relevant stakeholders taking place. But utilization is measured based on a facility's capacity versus the actual activity that takes place in that facility during a period of time. So if a test stand is available but is only used, you know, 50 percent of the time that it is available for testing, you would just say that is underutilized. That doesn't necessarily mean that it is excess. If that facility has a unique capability that is critical to NASA, we need to keep it and we would strive to increase the level of utilization to spread to fix costs, but it doesn't mean we can somehow excess it. So I think in general, that is responsive to your question. Chairman Palazzo. Mr. Martin, do you have anything to add? Mr. Martin. Not too much to add, no, not to that. The criteria that the Agency uses to identify what is excess--I mean, there are test stands, as Mr. Keegan indicated, that may be used once a year, just given the current human exploration or rocket development program, and that is underutilized, but if you only need to use it once a year, you have to have that capacity when you need it. Chairman Palazzo. Good response. How about from an oversight controls standpoint? Mr. Martin. Well I mean, what we have is--and we discussed it in our testimony--is you have redundancies, I think unnecessary redundancies among many of the Centers, because historically they have competed for work. I mean, there used to be a philosophy just a handful of years ago about sustaining ten healthy Centers, that is, partitioning the work at that time in the Constellation Program among all the Centers to keep them busy. Well, Constellation is no more and clearly from an infrastructure perspective NASA does not have, unfortunately, ten healthy Centers. I am not sure from an infrastructure standpoint NASA has a single healthy Center. Chairman Palazzo. Well, I appreciate that comment but I think it comes back to the stark reality is that we need a roadmap to exploration so these Centers can actually judge their infrastructure, judge their facilities and so going forward, they can actually know are they going to be utilizing those assets in the future, because you know, it was mentioned that people like to hold on to their facilities and hold on to their assets, because they don't know what is going to be there tomorrow because of the massive amount of uncertainty. And I think this Committee will agree with that because it has been mentioned several times. So at this time, I will recognize Ms. Brownley. Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanted to--Mr. Keegan, wanted to follow up with Ms. Bonamici's line of questioning around the deferred maintenance backlog and clearly, that is a backlog that this significant is going to impede construction and maintenance and operations budgets. So I wanted to follow up with the question that if budgets remain at the current level, how much progress do you think in the next five to ten years could NASA expect to make on its goal that was stated in the Agency Master Plan of having 62 percent of NASA's assets be under 40 years old by 2055? Mr. Keegan. Clearly our ability to make progress against that strategic goal is limited by the resources that are available to accomplish it, so we would still be shooting at the same goal but it would take us that much longer to get there. Ms. Brownley. So I mean, if you had to kind of reconcile things based on the current level of budgeting, you couldn't predict what it might look like five to ten years out? Mr. Keegan. Not certainly in the moment, and it would be very difficult anyway because we would have to, I think, go back and revisit the assumptions then about the amount of infrastructure we would have and can we do anything to affect that, and so forth. Ms. Brownley. Okay. And then following up on that, if current trends continue, I fear that NASA will reach a point of mediocrity and due to the condition, age, and capabilities of the facilities. In your opinion, how far away from that point do you think we are? Mr. Keegan. In my opinion, I believe and I hope that we are a long way away and we have a dedicated group of employees and leaders trying to figure out innovative ways to address sort of these difficult issues and complex issues that would allow us to make better progress even in a resource-constrained environment. Ms. Brownley. Well, thank you. I mean, I think I certainly believe and I know the Ranking Member also believes the importance of investing in NASA and enabling the Agency to carry out a 21st century space program. And on the other hand, I think that given where the budget is and so forth, it may be worthwhile for us to be looking or at least to know what a plan B might look like with budgets as they are and what it might look like so that we can, I think, better evaluate a future direction. Mr. Keegan. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Posey. Mr. Posey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In your written testimony, you said that the Agency will continue to conduct and operate only those assets required to conduct its program, maintain core capabilities, and meet national responsibilities. And yet, NASA's own IG report earlier this year noted that the Agency has historically maintained unused facilities for a decade or more, and that it is an institutional problem. How do you see this culture being changed and NASA said their 10 research Centers will manage their infrastructure in a coordinated fashion? Mr. Keegan. As the Inspector General also pointed out, it is a complex problem to address, and sometimes there are differences of opinion about whether a capability may be needed at some time in the future or not. As an example, some of the facilities mentioned in the Inspector General's report, some have been demolished, some have been abandoned or mothballed, but others are currently active again because requirements have emerged to use the capabilities in those facilities. And so there is some difficulty, and a lot of this is based on judgment and prediction of what might be required. I would say that with the--we created the Mission Support Council at the Agency level in order to provide some kind of Agency-wide strategy and optimization of these types of decisions. It is not just managed at the local level. And we have active teamwork with all the Center directors and relevant Agency managers to make sure we make decisions in the best interest of the Agency. But it is a problem that we have to wrestle with and make better progress against. Mr. Posey. Thank you. Buried deep in the appendices of the IG's report was a reference to a recent change we made which allowed DoD to work with contractors on property that they don't have a use for and which would be to the mutual benefit of the taxpayer. I was delighted to see that there and I would just like to encourage you to share with our staff the benefits of allowing NASA to do that. I think it would be much more effective and I think our taxpayers would be much better served, and it would probably make a whole lot of people a lot more comfortable, reduce a lot of bureaucracy, and every American would benefit. What is--same question for each of you--the single best action that you believe that Congress could take to improve our space program? Mr. Keegan. I think I would defer that to my Administrator. Mr. Martin. I think my answer would be to come together on the broad overall mission for NASA, not just human exploration, but science, aeronautics, if it is even possible to come together, and then to fully fund that mission. Because for far too long, NASA has been asked to do too many things with not enough funds, and then we have hearings--important hearings like this, but discussions like this. So identify the missions, plural, fully fund those missions over the long term, and I think that is the best thing that could happen. Mr. Posey. Well, I think that is the heartfelt wish of everybody on this Committee on both sides of the aisle. The only time it ever gets a little bit difficult, I think, is when we try and all agree on what exactly those missions are and we try and convince the other 430 Members that aren't in here of the necessity of fully funding it. The residual benefits that every American receives from our space program--but I appreciate your comments and if you get more developed through the flow chart, and I would appreciate you sharing those with us as well. Thank you very much. I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Palazzo. The gentleman yields back. I want to thank the witnesses for their valuable testimony and the Members for their questions. The Members of the Committee may have additional questions for you, and we will ask you to respond to those in writing. The record will remain open for two weeks for additional comments and written questions from Members. The witnesses are excused, and this hearing is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 10:55 a.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.] Appendix I ---------- Answers to Post-Hearing Questions Responses by The Honorable Paul K. 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Edwards, Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding today's hearing to review NASA's infrastructure and facilities, and I would like to welcome our witnesses. Before I start, allow me to congratulate NASA, the Ames Research Center, the Wallops Launch Facility, agency employees, contractors, the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport, and Orbital Sciences in particular, for two outstanding space launches in the past two weeks. I am hopeful that LADEE will give us further insight into the Moon's environment and that Orbital's docking of its Cygnus spacecraft to the International Space Station signals the start of routine cargo resupply to that orbital laboratory. NASA, like other government agencies, built a range of facilities during its early years to meet national objectives. In NASA's case, those objectives included sending probes to investigate the Earth-space environment and study near and distant planets, advancing aeronautics, and sending humans to the surface of the Moon and returning them home safely. The Space Shuttle, during its thirty years of operations, required its own considerable infrastructure. These facilities, and many others at NASA, have enabled the United States to achieve the remarkable discoveries and advances over the last 50 years that have inspired generations of Americans. The problem, as we know, is that the assets that enabled the past, are now, to an extent, a burden on the future. Nearly 80 percent of NASA's facilities are more than 40 years old. In addition, NASA is carrying a deferred maintenance backlog assessed at more than $2 billion. It is hard to expect NASA to perform as a 21st century space agency with 20th century facilities. In fact, a 2010 National Academies report, Capabilities for the Future: An Assessment of NASA Laboratories for Basic Research, found that: ``Over the past five years or more there has been a steady and significant decrease in NASA's laboratory capabilities, including equipment, maintenance, and facility upgrades..The fundamental research community at NASA has been severely impacted by the budget reductions that are responsible for this decrease in laboratory capabilities, and as a result NASA's ability to support even NASA's future goals is in serious jeopardy.'' And yet, research laboratories are just one facet of the problem. There are test stands, wind tunnels, arc jets, thermal vacuum chambers, launch complexes, and Shuttle processing facilities that are underutilized or that may no longer have a defined NASA need. NASA Authorization Acts of 2005, 2008, and 2010 have provided direction to NASA to address its infrastructure challenges, and multiple reports of the NASA Inspector General, among other advisory bodies, have highlighted NASA's infrastructure challenges. To its credit, NASA has, and is, taking positive steps to facilitate prudent, strategic decisions on maintenance, consolidation, demolition, and renewal of facilities, including the development of an Agency Facilities Strategy and an integrated agency-wide Real Property Master Plan. But let's face it, NASA's facility and infrastructure challenges are a bit of a Catch-22. NASA needs clear direction on its future, especially in human spaceflight and exploration, to help the agency leverage and optimize its infrastructure decisions and investments. And the underutilization of assets, along with the poor state of NASA's research labs, is in part a result of not giving NASA the resources it needs to implement the missions the nation is asking it to carry out. So, we have a choice: ignore the problem and let NASA's facilities run themselves into the ground to the point at which NASA is limping into mediocrity. Or invest in NASA and enable its future as a 21st century space agency that will continue its remarkable successes while fostering our national innovation agenda, the passions and dreams of our people, and new discoveries and advances in science, aeronautics, human spaceflight and exploration. I submit that this is not the time to back away from NASA. Rather, this is the time to provide NASA with the tools it needs to become a productive 21st century space agency. That's why I included in my alternative NASA Authorization Act of 2013 bill, H.R. 2616, provisions to both focus NASA on an exploration goal and to help address NASA's aging facilities. I know there are a lot of issues to discuss and I look forward to hearing from our witnesses on today's topic, for which I believe the hearing title couldn't be more apt--``NASA INFRASTRUCTURE: ENABLING DISCOVERY AND ENSURING CAPABILITY.'' Thank you, and I yield back. Submitted statement of Eddie Bernice Johnson, Ranking Member, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology Good morning. I would like to join my colleagues in welcoming our witnesses to today's hearing. When we think of NASA, we think of astronauts at work on the International Space Station, the Apollo program and today's Orion and Space Launch System exploration vehicles. We think of cutting edge aeronautics research; robotic spacecraft landing on Mars, heading to the far reaches of the solar system and beyond, and imaging distant galaxies; as well as of spacecraft circling the Earth to provide us with unforgettably imagery and critical data needed to better understand our home planet and its climate. When we think of NASA, we don't often think of wind tunnels, environmental test chambers, research labs, and office buildings. However, NASA's impressive accomplishments would not be possible without NASA's infrastructure and NASA's dedicated workforce. That is why today's hearing is so important. We must ensure that NASA has the facilities and equipment that it needs to remain preeminent in space exploration, science, and aeronautics in the coming decades, and this hearing will help provide Members with the information we will need as we make decisions on NASA's funding and priorities. In that regard, I hope that today's hearing will be followed in the future by a hearing to look at what can be done to ensure that NASA's employees will remain productive and at the forefront of their fields too, especially at a time when the federal workforce is facing severe challenges on a number of fronts. Mr. Chairman, as we debate the fiscal challenges we face as a nation, it is important that we not let our examination of NASA's infrastructure turn into simply an accounting exercise, one focused on cost savings and budgets cuts. By that I don't mean to minimize the importance of seeking efficiencies and appropriate cost savings in NASA's infrastructure investments whenever possible. Rather, what I am saying is that we need to focus first on what we are trying to accomplish with the nation's investments in NASA-what are the outcomes we are seeking. Only then, can we intelligently assess what NASA will need in the way of infrastructure now and in the future. I believe that the NASA Authorization bill that Rep. Edwards and I introduced earlier this year provides clear direction and compelling goals for the agency, and I want to continue to work with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to come to a bipartisan consensus on NASA this year. However, I think it should be clear to all of us that NASA will be unable to achieve those goals if we fail to invest in safe, efficient, and productive infrastructure for the agency. 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