[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] OPM'S REVOLVING FUND: A CYCLE OF GOVERNMENT WASTE ======================================================================= HEARING before the SUBCOMMITTEE ON FEDERAL WORKFORCE, US POSTAL SERVICE AND THE CENSUS of the COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ JUNE 5, 2013 __________ Serial No. 113-29 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.fdsys.gov http://www.house.gov/reform U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 81-524 WASHINGTON : 2013 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; DC area (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM DARRELL E. ISSA, California, Chairman JOHN L. MICA, Florida ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland, MICHAEL R. TURNER, Ohio Ranking Minority Member JOHN J. DUNCAN, JR., Tennessee CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York PATRICK T. McHENRY, North Carolina ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of JIM JORDAN, Ohio Columbia JASON CHAFFETZ, Utah JOHN F. TIERNEY, Massachusetts TIM WALBERG, Michigan WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri JAMES LANKFORD, Oklahoma STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts JUSTIN AMASH, Michigan JIM COOPER, Tennessee PAUL A. GOSAR, Arizona GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia PATRICK MEEHAN, Pennsylvania JACKIE SPEIER, California SCOTT DesJARLAIS, Tennessee MATTHEW A. CARTWRIGHT, TREY GOWDY, South Carolina Pennsylvania BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas MARK POCAN, Wisconsin DOC HASTINGS, Washington TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois ROB WOODALL, Georgia DANNY K. DAVIS, Illinois THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky TONY CARDENAS, California DOUG COLLINS, Georgia STEVEN A. HORSFORD, Nevada MARK MEADOWS, North Carolina MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM, New Mexico KERRY L. BENTIVOLIO, Michigan RON DeSANTIS, Florida Lawrence J. Brady, Staff Director John D. Cuaderes, Deputy Staff Director Stephen Castor, General Counsel Linda A. Good, Chief Clerk David Rapallo, Minority Staff Director Subcommittee on Federal Workforce, U.S. Postal Service and the Census BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas, Chairman TIM WALBERG, Michigan STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts, TREY GOWDY, South Carolina Ranking Minority Member DOUG COLLINS, Georgia ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of RON DeSANTIS, Florida Columbia WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Hearing held on June 5, 2013..................................... 1 WITNESSES The Honorable Patrick E. McFarland, Inspector General, U.S. Office of Personnel Management Oral Statement............................................... 3 Written Statement............................................ 5 Mr. Charles D. Grimes, III, Chief Operating Officer, U.S. Office of Personnel Management Oral Statement............................................... 17 Written Statement............................................ 19 Mr. Linda E. Brooks Rix, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Avue Technologies Corporation Oral Statement............................................... 28 Written Statement............................................ 30 APPENDIX The Honorable Blake Farenthold, a Member of Congress from the State of Texas, Written Statement.............................. 61 OPM'S REVOLVING FUND: A CYCLE OF GOVERNMENT WASTE? ---------- Wednesday, June 5, 2013, House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Federal Workforce, Postal Service and the Census, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 9:30 a.m., in Room 2247, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Blake Farenthold [chairman of the subcommittee], presiding. Present: Representatives Farenthold, Norton, Clay and Lynch. Staff Present: Alexia Ardolina, Majority Assistant Clerk; Jennifer Hemingway, Majority Deputy Policy Director; Scott Schmidt, Majority Deputy Director of Digital Strategy; Peter Warren, Majority Legislative Policy Director; Jaron Bourke, Minority Director of Administration; Lena Chang, Minority Counsel; Elisa LaNier, Minority Deputy Clerk; Safiya Simmons, Minority Press Secretary; Mark Stephenson, Minority Director of Legislation. Mr. Farenthold. And the subcommittee will come to order. I would like to begin this hearing, as we do all within the Oversight Committee, by reading the Oversight Committee's mission statement. We exist to secure two fundamental principles. First, Americans have a right to know that the money Washington takes from them is well spent; and second, Americans deserve an efficient and effective government that works for them. Our duty on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee is to protect these rights. Our solemn responsibility is to hold the government accountable to taxpayers, because taxpayers have a right to know what they get from their government. We will work tirelessly in partnership with citizen watchdogs to deliver the facts to the American people and bring genuine reform to the Federal bureaucracy. This is the mission of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee. We will start with my opening statement. Today's hearing focuses on the Federal Government's human resource bureaucracy and whether or not it is serving its agency customers and the American taxpayers efficiently and effectively. The Office of Personnel Management operates a $2 billion business selling products and services in the very same agencies it oversees. As OPMs workload has increased, so too has the number of investigative cases, referrals and requests for audits. This has amplified concerns about OPM's revolving fund business model. Last year, Inspector General McFarland told the committee his office had been flooded with requests from OPM to audit or investigate various aspects of the revolving fund. In April, the IG found senior OPM officials had used their position to give preferential treatment to revolving fund vendors and failed to comply with Federal contracting rules. In May, Inspector General McFarland informed the committee of an ongoing investigation in which a revolving fund contractor used deceptive practices to avoid fulfilling certain requirements under its contract with OPM in order to maximize profits. The IG has requested legislative language to provide access to additional resources for revolving fund oversight. The authority seems to be an investment that can be accomplished at a relatively low cost, using existing funds. At a time when agencies are furloughing workers to meet payroll, questionable business practices affect the entire Federal Government. Each month seems to bring another confirmation of the waste within the revolving fund. I look forward to hearing from today's witnesses as we examine whether OPM should be the regulator and the business service provider, and seek to better understand the business practices that have led the IG to request additional funds for critical audit needs. And I will now give Mr. Lynch a chance for his opening statement. We will recognize the gentleman from Massachusetts. Mr. Lynch. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank the witnesses for coming before the committee, helping us with our work, which is to examine the pricing and quality of services provided through the Office of Personnel Management's Revolving Fund program and the Administration's legislative proposal to increase its oversight. OPMs revolving fund provides background investigations, training and other HR products, answers to Federal agencies on a reimbursable basis. These services are essential for effective government. OPMs revolving fund budget has gone from $191 million in fiscal year 1998 to over $2 billion today. The revolving fund activities comprise about 90 percent of OPMs total budget, with about two-thirds of the agency's staff devoted to this fee for service component of OPMs operations. However, private contractors perform most of the work. The Government Accountability Office and OPM Inspector General have expressed concerns in recent years about the pricing and the quality of those background investigations and other products and services. OPMs Inspector General also identified certain programs as vulnerable to high risk of waste, fraud and abuse. GAO also recommended that OPM look to increasing efficiencies in its background investigation processes. OPMs significant reliance on a vast contractor network to conduct background investigations and to provide HR solutions appears to present additional challenges to effective contract management and oversight. This hearing is important to strengthening oversight of OPMs revolving fund. OPMs Inspector General has indicated that he is currently hamstrung by the limited resources he has to conduct audits and investigations of OPMs revolving fund programs. Under current law, the Inspector General's budget provides only $3 million to finance its oversight of a $2 billion operation, along with OPMs other non-trust fund programs, such as the Combined Federal Campaign and the Dental, Vision and Long-Term Care Insurance programs. I am sympathetic to the Inspector General's dilemma and I look forward to evaluating the Administration's legislative proposal to remedy that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the witnesses for their appearance here today. I yield back. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you, Mr. Lynch. Members will have seven days to submit opening statements for the record. We will now recognize our panel. Mr. Chuck Grimes is the Chief Operating Officer of the Office of Personnel Management. Ms. Linda Rix is Co-Chief Executive Officer for Avue Technologies Corporation. And Mr. McFarland, of course, is Inspector General from the OPM. Pursuant to committee rules, all witnesses will be sworn in before they testify. If you will please rise and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? [Witnesses respond in the affirmative.] Mr. Farenthold. Let the record reflect that all witnesses have answered in the affirmative, and you may be seated. In order to allow time for questioning, we ask that you limit your verbal testimony to five minutes. We have received and reviewed your written testimony and of course, your entire written statement will be made part of the record. We will go left to right and start with Mr. McFarland. You are recognized for five minutes. WITNESS STATEMENTS STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE PATRICK E. McFARLAND Mr. McFarland. Good morning, Chairman Farenthold, Ranking Member Lynch and members of the subcommittee. My name is Patrick McFarland, I am the Inspector General of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. Thank you for inviting me to testify in today's hearing about the Administration and oversight of OPMs revolving fund. Once again, I am seeking the committee's help. In 1978, the U.S. Congress took a bold step in creating the Inspector General Act, bold in that it was an experiment borne out of a multitude of government-wide mistakes, serious problems and just plain wrongdoing. In the face of much opposition from entrenched government bureaucracy, it was, I believe, Congress' pledge to the American citizens that their expectations of good government would be met, and as a result, their tax money would be protected. The inspector general concept has transparency at its core functionality. It must be transparency without any shades of gray. Indeed, it is with this understanding that each inspector general's organization honors the independence required of them, free of any political influence which Congress mandated. We realized as early as 2006 that OPMs revolving fund operations lacked adequate transparency and thus required additional oversight, oversight that our budget could not support. Since that time, the OPM revolving fund has developed into a $2 billion behemoth business structure that should attract more stakeholders' attention, but instead seems to exist and operate in a vacuum. The OPM revolving fund requires immediate scrutiny. To this end, the President's fiscal year 2014 budget includes our legislative proposal, which former director John Berry fully supported. This proposal will require Office of Inspector General oversight of the revolving fund to be paid for by the revolving fund. Please be assured that our Office of Inspector General is at the ready to jump deep into all of the programs financed by OPMs revolving fund. Based on evidence and intuition, we know there extremely serious problems. We already have several projects in high risk areas that we are eager to begin, such as an initiative to closely examine the Federal Investigative Service Program office, and determine whether there are deficiencies that may be affecting national security, as well as an audit of the pricing methodology used by human resources solutions. Let me be clear: it is not my intention to grow government, but simply to perform the tasks entrusted to me by you and by the taxpayer. I cannot stress enough that problems within OPMs revolving fund do not affect only OPM. Every major Federal agency purchases goods and/or services from OPM through revolving fund programs. Consequently, any fraud, waste or abuse that occurs in these programs has a government-wide ripple effect and thus impacts the use of the appropriations of all of its customers. They say that sunshine is the best disinfectant. OPMs revolving fund programs have been operating in the shadows for far too long. You have already taken significant action by holding a hearing, the first, to my knowledge, on the revolving fund. I ask the subcommittee now, take one more step and assist us by amending the revolving fund statute so that together we can bring OPMs revolving fund program into the light with full transparency where all government operations are meant to function. The committee's involvement will ensure that this issue will not slip back into the shadows. Thank you, and I am happy to answer any questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. McFarland follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.001 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.002 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.003 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.004 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.005 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.006 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.007 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.008 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.009 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.010 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.011 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.012 Mr. Farenthold. Thank you, Mr. McFarland. We will get to questions when we have finished with all of our witnesses. Mr. Grimes, you are up for five minutes, sir. STATEMENT OF CHARLES D. GRIMES, III Mr. Grimes. Thank you, Chairman Farenthold, Ranking Member Lynch, members of the subcommittee. Thank you for this opportunity to discuss the OPMs revolving fund and the government-wide services it supports. The fund was established by Congress in 1952 to allow OPMs predecessor, the U.S. Civil Service Commission, to recover the costs of conducting background investigations for other Federal agencies. It has subsequently been expanded to authorize OPM to provide assistance and personnel management functions at the request of agencies on a reimbursable basis. OPM provides a wide range of human resources management services to other Federal agencies, and the payments for those services are consolidated under OPMs revolving fund. The revolving fund is similar to many other such funds across the Federal Government. The aim of the revolving fund is not to generate a profit, but instead to break even over a reasonable amount of time, generally defined as three years. Providing human capital services and training for Federal employees, conducting background checks and other revolving fund services are integral to OPMs core mission of recruiting and retaining a high performing workforce to protect and advance the interests of American citizens. The revolving fund includes a diverse range of programs, including human resources tools and technology, enterprise human resources integration, the Presidential Management Fellows program, and the human resources line of business. I would like to briefly discuss the three most public faces of the revolving fund: Federal Investigative Services, human resources solutions and USAJOBS. OPMs background investigation programs performance is strong. We have no backlogs, are meeting congressional timeliness mandates for OPM under the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act and have increased automation. Since driving down average investigative time on this from 145 days in 2005 to 40 days today, customer agencies have realized over $26 billion in cost avoidance and efficiency. Additionally, the Government Accountability Office had long listed the government personnel security clearance program in the Department of Defense on their high-risk list. OPM assumed responsibility for the background investigation function in February of 2005, and the program was removed from the high- risk list in January 2011, as a result of the major efforts of OPM, the Office of Management and Budget, DOD, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Despite a shift towards more costly field work-intensive investigations, OPM remains resourced to meet the investigative timeliness and quality standards based on the projected needs of the executive branch community that we service. HRS provides human resources products and services through a variety of methods to meet the needs of the Federal Government. HRS offers a by government, for government solution to a variety of human resources needs and is uniquely well-positioned to help Federal agencies meet their recruitment, testing and training needs. The HRS team has expert knowledge and experience with Federal policy and operating environments, and designs and delivers solutions well-suited for government. In recent years, HRS has worked with OPMs Office of the Inspector General to become even more transparent and efficient. HRS offers agencies the opportunity to access world class consulting experience from pre-competed private sector companies through our training and management assistance contracting vehicle. Pre-competition allows agencies to save valuable time and resources in gaining access to consulting experts and conformance with OPMs contracting requirements. Finally, USAJOBS is another critical program that operates through the revolving fund. Pursuant to law and OMB guidance, USAJOBS operates on a fully reimbursable basis, charging fees to agencies that use USAJOBS to pay the cost of providing Federal employment information to the public, along with various services. USAJOBS offers a wide array of products and services to job seekers, agencies and vendors. These products include the job board with job opportunity announcements, the resume builder, the agency recruitment portal, mobile apps and the USAJOBS help desk. To increase quality, we have worked to increase agency participation in USAJOBS by encouraging cross-government involvement and integrated project teams. These teams have led to direct system improvements to the USAJOBS resume and user profile sections, greatly benefitting the user experience for the thousands of job seekers using the service. We've also successfully cleared the audit and security reviews by OMB and the White House cross-agency SWAT team, OPMs Office of the Inspector General and the Department of Homeland Security. OPM agrees that it is important to have a strong oversight in order to ensure the integrity of their revolving fund, and we look forward to continuing to work with the OIG in this area. I am proud of the government-wide services that OPM provides, and I look forward to addressing any questions that you may have. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Grimes follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.013 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.014 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.015 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.016 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.017 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.018 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.019 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.020 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 81524.021 Mr. Farenthold. Thank you, Mr. Grimes. We will now go to Ms. Brooks Rix. You are recognized for five minutes, ma'am. STATEMENT OF LINDA E. BROOKS RIX Ms. Rix. Chairman Farenthold, Ranking Member Lynch and members of the Subcommittee, good morning. My name is Linda Rix, and I am the Chairman and Co-CEO of Avue Technologies Corporation. I want to thank you today for the opportunity to testify on this important topic. Avue provides a comprehensive human resources management platform to Federal agencies using a cloud-centered model. If you combine the content of Westlaw, the rules and engines capability of TurboTax and the use of self-service ATM machines, you would have the equivalent technology Avue offers to its Federal Government clients. Avue has competed with the Office of Personnel Management's human resource products and services for more than 10 years. Before founding Avue, I began my career and spent five years as an employee of OPM. The subject of this hearing is whether OPMs revolving fund is a cycle of government waste and the resounding answer to that is yes. There are three compelling factors that lead to this conclusion. First, despite dramatically reduced hiring government-wide, the cost of Federal HR has escalated dramatically at a time when the private sector has reduced its HR staff by 21 percent and its cost per hire by 28 percent, the Federal sector has increased its HR staff by 41 percent and its cost per hire is more than 12 times that of industry. The real breadth of OPMs impact can be seen at the VA, which uses the OPMs USA Staffing product by mandate for all of its hiring. In the last five years, the VA has increase its HR specialist workforce by over 51 percent and has created a corresponding increase in HR payroll of $100 million per year. During the same period, the VA awarded contracts for HR services at a rate of $16 million per year and paid OPM an average of $216 million per year for the last three years. After increasing its payroll by $100 million, its contractor support by $16 million and its fees to OPM by $216 million, the VA hired a net 13,475 fewer people in 2012 than it did in 2008. If you look across government for the last five years, agencies using USA Staffing product have increased their HR payroll, added contracted services and paid OPM extremely high fees while concurrently reducing the number of new hires. The second factor that gives rise to this level of duplication of waste is that OPM is an innovation inhibitor. OPM has a clear self-interest in promoting inefficiencies that are better aligned with its own products and services. For example, OPM mandates that all agencies post positions on USAJOBS. OPM spent $20 million recoding the existing Monster USA job system plus another $1 million in emergency fixes to in-source USAJOBS board from Monster. To date, features and functionalities would be typical of what we would find in a job board in the 1990s. At the same time, private employers have dropped their use of job boards. Today, private sector only hires one of every six people from job boards. Progressive employers leverage innovations, like LinkedIn, search engine marketing social media sites and employee referrals. While the VA is one example, Inspector General McFarland correctly observes that OPMs problems affect the entire government. OPM offers that its customers choose products because they are better than private offers and they are by government for government. But Federal HR is not any more complicated than you would find in a unionized company and the theory that OPMs technologies and services are cheaper or even cost-competitive are not validated. This brings us to the third factor, OPMs extraordinary conflict of interest and the lengths to which OPM will go to expand its revenues. OPM violates the Competition in Contracting Act, illegally asserting OPM products may be purchased through the Economy Act and therefore non- competitively. OPM duplicates GSA's 738X Federal supply schedule, and adds layers of waste in the form of excessive fees. Where GSA is capped at a service fee of not to exceed .75 percent, OPM openly states that its fees range from 8 percent to 12 percent. OPM also abuses its role as portfolio manager for the HR lines of business. It exerts its role as advisor to agencies to steer contracts exclusively to Federal shared service centers. This illustrates the dual identities of OPM, one as regulator and the other as a for-profit business. As a for- profit company, OPM is the systemic reason the Federal Government HR costs are skyrocketing. OPM has succumbed to its own monetary interest at the expense of what is best for the government as a whole, and every day furthers this extraordinary conflict of interest while insulating itself from competition with the private sector. OPMs legitimate role must focus exclusively on its statutory mission, which desperately needs to be restored. Its revolving fund business, which draws all resources and intellectual attention, should be returned to the private sector, so that the government can enjoy billions in savings through the elimination of wasteful spending, as illustrated here. Thank you for this opportunity to contribute to this hearing. This concludes my remarks and I look forward to your questions. 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You set the rules and you say all right, you can go out to the private sector and do this and comply with all those rules, oh come on, bring it in here, deal with us. Do you see a conflict there and how do you answer Ms. Rix's concern about that? Mr. Grimes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We don't see a conflict at all. In fact, we provide a vehicle for training and management and so forth, through our training and management assistance program that utilizes private sector contractors. In fact, 80 percent of the work that we do in HRS is through private sector contractors. So they are certainly not being cut out of the deal. The bright line that we have is that our merit systems and accountability division that evaluates whether agencies are examining and hiring people in the right way has nothing whatsoever to do with our human resources and products division. They don't tell agencies that they need to use them. The HRS merely provides an opportunity for agencies to get lower cost contracting help in a quick way for their training, hiring, assessment needs. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you. Mr. McFarland, have you done any, has the IGs office done any investigative work as to the competitive practices there? I realize this is something we didn't prepare you for. Mr. McFarland. No, Mr. Chairman, we have not done any work in that area. Mr. Farenthold. Mr. Grimes, do you use appropriated funds to operate any of the revolving fund or is it fully self- funding? Mr. Grimes. The revolving fund is fully self-funding. We work on a cost recovery principle of whatever we spent we recover from our customers. Mr. Farenthold. And you don't use appropriated funds to promote it or anything like that? Mr. Grimes. Absolutely not. Mr. Farenthold. That is certainly good to hear. Mr. Grimes, the Inspector General recently informed the committee of an investigation involving an OPM contractor utilized by the revolving funds investigative service division. Given the particularly serious nature of the investigation, is the contractor still conducting background and security investigations as an OPM contractor and what steps has OPM taken to address the concern raised by the IG? Mr. Grimes. Mr. Chairman, the Department of Justice is looking into that and I just can't comment right now. Mr. Farenthold. All right. I appreciate that. I would, as the investigation progresses, I do think it is important that this committee be kept abreast of what is going on, particularly with those investigations. It is especially troubling that this investigation involves background checks that are critical to not only the trust of the government but the safety of American people. Let's talk a little bit about technology. Of the 26 record checks that OPM currently performs, Mr. Grimes, only 7 return records in machine readable format. And nine only provide hard copy records. And there are no common standards for data structure or formats for FIS providers. What is hindering the progress and how can we get this automation going to save money and to speed the process? Mr. Grimes. Mr. Chairman, I regret that I can't tell you that, because I am not in the FIS operation. But we can certainly take it for the record and get you an answer. Mr. Farenthold. I would appreciate that. Let me ask Ms. Rix a question. You indicate that the online system for finding jobs is more antiquated than, I think you said, a 1990s system. Can you expand a little bit on what effect you think that is having on the quality of applicants in the process overall? Ms. Rix. Sure. As many of you know, the USAJOBS board is a mandated jobs board. It actually is generated from an older requirement by statute that OPM ensure that Federal agencies provide a public notice of job postings, which is completely different than a centralized controlled job board. The purpose of the job board is essentially to be able to let people know that have been RIFed from the Federal Government to base realignment closure and other principles what job opportunities might be available to them so they can be restored to public service. Right now, the OPM jobs board is very confusing. It leads to a lot of people who are expending resources, the VA is a very good example here. The VA is part of the $16 million a year expenses in media buys for recruitment. And doing those media buys, they've spent about $100 million in media buys in the last five years. When you see a local advertisement for jobs at the VA for critical health care professional positions, you then go to USAJOBS where the VA has approximately 30 to 40 percent of the job postings on any given day, which means you are going through 3,000 to 4,000 individually-posted jobs to find a position for which you would like to apply. Mr. Farenthold. This is an ongoing problem. I am down at my VA office regularly talking to them and talking to veterans who are saying, we don't have the doctors. So how do we get the doctors in better? What do we need to do to fix that? Ms. Rix. What needs to happen is, the VA needs to be able to do single job postings, for example, for physicians, allow users to select locations in which the user would like to work, not have 4,000 job postings where a user has to individually has to search every job posting, not just to determine where it is, but also to determine whether they are even eligible to apply for the posting. So centralizing that process and running open, continuous recruitment is the best way to go about that objective. But you have to have the technology. Mr. Farenthold. Are there now solutions to do that, cloud- based solutions to do that, where we don't have to spend a whole lot of money reinventing the wheel? Ms. Rix. Absolutely. Mr. Farenthold. I see my time is greatly expired. I will of course extend the same courtesy to Mr. Lynch in his questioning. So we will recognize Mr. Lynch for five minutes plus a minute 33. Mr. Lynch. No problem, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. Mr. McFarland, good to see you again. I do want to say that I do share some of the concerns that you have raised, and that Ms. Rix has raised, with the lack of pricing transparency. This has been raised before by GAO. Mr. Grimes, what have you done to address the concerns that they have and that I share with the lack of pricing transparency? Mr. Grimes. This year, our FIS organization released an annual report that has extensive price transparency included in the annual report. For our HRS operation, the prices are clearly marked, as they say. Agencies know what they are getting when they buy services from HRS, and the prices are either set in advance or negotiated with the agency, and they do know exactly what they are getting and how those prices were arrived at. Mr. Lynch. That is part of the problem. Now, Ms. Rix has pointed out, and it seems that Mr. McFarland agrees, that in some cases, for the same investigation, that OPM is charging about $1,500 more per investigation than some of the folks in the private sector. We are doing an awful lot of these. And also the amount of money we are spending is staggering here. The cost to conduct background investigations increased by almost 79 percent from $602 million in fiscal year 2005 to $1.1 billion in fiscal year 2011. So what are we doing to increase competition? We have some difficult challenges here fiscally, across the budget. What are we doing in this regard to bring these prices down and introduce some real competition? Mr. Grimes. First of all, with respect to comparisons between other agencies that conduct background investigations and our FIS operation, it is important to note that, I think the example maybe was NSA, they have appropriated funds. So when they charge for an investigation, they don't recover the cost of those appropriated funds. Our FIS operation has to include, has to recover all funds. We get no appropriated funds. If we were to get appropriated funds, say, for our personnel, our cost would go down by 27 percent. So it is not exactly a fair comparison. Mr. Lynch. Mr. McFarland, what do you think I should do here? If we wanted to fix this, give me a couple of bold strokes that would help us get to a better place with this whole process? Mr. McFarland. Show me the money. Mr. Lynch. Could you elaborate on that? Mr. McFarland. Yes, I can. Mr. Lynch. Okay, I bet you can. Why don't you take a minute and do that? Mr. McFarland. The question goes right to the heart of our concern and our frustration. We just have not been able to do in the revolving fund the work that we need to do, by any stretch of the imagination. We have devoted as much time and money as we can from our salary and expense fund to do work in that revolving fund area, especially on the Federal Investigative Service cases. Because to us, they demonstrate a real problem that could occur at any given time and that is picking the wrong person for a government job, picking the wrong person that is going to get a particular classification that shouldn't have it. There are many instances of that taking place, not just with OPM employees per se, but with the contractors. So what we want to do, it is a broad scope, but the only way I can describe it is we really want to delve into everything in the revolving fund, because it is $2 billion, it is out of control from our perspective inasmuch as we can't tell you hardly anything about it. That is a real shame. We were talking a minute before, when Mr. Grimes was talking about transparency, that things are published, when my point is, that is not really transparency from our perspective. Transparency is only going to be there if we give an independent review of it. Mr. Lynch. Right. Well, I just want to say, maybe this is editorializing, but I think the Chairman and I are of a like mind on this, we should be able to come up with something that would allow you to have that transparency. I think that serves our economic interests as well as our national security interests, to make sure that that happens. I would like to work with you on this and figure out a way that we can make that happen. Ms. Rix, do you have some thoughts of your own in terms of how we can straighten this mess out? Ms. Rix. I think one thing to really focus on is the availability of private sector alternatives for highly scalable technologies that can be instituted quickly. I think you had a hearing previously related to retirement examinations and processing. There are plenty of options out there in the private sector that OPM could adopt that would in effect reduce both cycle time and cost dramatically. In addition to that, and I will throw this out there even though it might be fairly controversial, I do think that OPM should delegate more of its authorities directly to agencies where agencies can manage those funds. Despite Mr. Grimes saying that the fact that there is appropriated funds make the process cheaper, it is all still taxpayer funds. Mr. Lynch. That is right. Ms. Rix. It is just a redistribution of that. Mr. Lynch. Right, exactly right. There are no appropriated funds, but you are charging these Federal agencies who are being funded by taxpayer money. So there is a pass-through here, so there is a real cost to the taxpayer, even though it is not through the appropriations process. I get that. Thank you. I am just about of time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you very much, Mr. Lynch. We will now go to the gentlelady from the District of Columbia, Ms. Norton. Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank you for holding this hearing. I generally support revolving funds, normally because they are cost savings. We see the opposite here. I really am confused, by the way, Mr. Chairman, I see that the President has a proposal in his budget to give the Inspector General precisely the jurisdiction he would allow. I hope our subcommittee or committee quickly authorizes this, carries it to the Floor so that we can see this done this year. It seems to me that hands-down, the case has been made for that oversight. I am confused here, though, because as I read your testimony, Mr. McFarland, he notes that the revolving fund relies heavily on contract employees. So it does seem to me that the OPM has partly privatized this anyway. And I don't understand, if the reliance on contract employees saves you money then it seems to me you should explain why this is such a government operation. You are not using Federal employees, and indeed, I would wonder if you use Federal employees, would these extraordinary increases be any less? That is directed to the witness from OPM, Mr. Grimes. Mr. Grimes. Thank you, Ms. Norton. A couple of things. One, expenses have gone up because the ratio of more expensive investigations to less expensive investigations has gone up. Ms. Norton. So you are doing more expensive investigations than the private sector is doing. And their costs do not reflect that. Mr. Grimes. The investigations that we do with our Federal Investigative staff, which consists of both Federal employees and contract---- Ms. Norton. What percentage is Federal employees and what percentage are outsourced employees? Mr. Grimes. About half of the FIS budget is spent on contractors. Ms. Norton. Why the difference? Mr. Grimes. We use a balance of contractors and Federal employees, so that when we get a lot more business, we can expand quickly through the contracting side of the house. Ms. Norton. Does it cost any more or less for the Federal employees and the contract employees? Mr. Grimes. I cannot give you a number there. I would be happy to take that for the record. I don't know what those cost figures are. But it gives us the ability to expand as our need increases. Ms. Norton. So as far as a Federal agency is concerned, the Federal agency is really without recourse when the Federal agency comes to you, Mr. Grimes, isn't that the case? It needs the background investigation, it wants the employee. Is there anyplace else for the Federal agency to go? Mr. Grimes. Congress told us to do background investigations. So we do them. We do over 2 million investigative products a year, deliver more than 2 million investigative products a year. And we do them under 40 days on average, in accordance with the recent legislation that was directed us to do so. Ms. Norton. How do you control costs? There is no competition. How do you control costs, Mr. Grimes? Mr. Grimes. Well, we control costs through our---- Ms. Norton. Because it looks like you don't, frankly. When we look at these increases, I ask that almost pejoratively, how do you control costs, does anybody ever sit down and say, wow, these costs are really going up? Is there any group in the agency that maybe sits down every once in a while and gives some attention to these costs? Mr. Grimes. They work very hard to control costs. In fact, the law requires us to recover the costs that we do have and in fairness to our customers, our FIS operation works very hard to control costs. Ms. Norton. So one of the things you can do as you get more business, and can charge whatever you desire, is you can just go out and get more employees instead of, for example, considering, can we do this work with fewer employees, as for example, Federal agencies have to do all the time? Mr. Grimes. In fact, that is what we do. We do not staff up our Federal workforce to respond to increased demand. Ms. Norton. Where are the increases, then? Where have the increases come, then? They have not come from Federal employees, have they? Or have they? If the increases haven't come from Federal employees, I have to assume that this outsourcing gives you the ability to just go get whoever you need. You said as much when you said that, when we have extra work or if we need more employees we need these outsourced employees. Mr. Grimes. The number of investigations that require more extensive field work has gone up. So that raises our costs, because it is more expensive to gather information in the field. Ms. Norton. Have Federal agencies given you more people who need background checks or are you testifying that deeper background checks are needed? The Federal workforce I don't think has been exponentially rising. Mr. Grimes. The number of products probably is about the same from year to year. But the ratio of more expensive products to less expensive products has increased. Ms. Norton. Mr. Grimes, don't you see the problem? If you are sitting on a product that keeps going up, didn't you believe that at some point somebody was going to call the question on you? I am amazed that you don't have a remedy to offer the committee for these extraordinary increases. I am speaking now for the rest of the government, which has to come to you and has no place else to go. Do you have a remedy that you would offer for these extraordinary increases? Mr. Grimes. I guess I would have to disagree that there have been extraordinary increases. The last time we had a price increase was in 2010. I think it was about 3 percent, and they have remained static since. Ms. Norton. Mr. Chairman, I know I am over my time. I was looking at a graph. Mr. Farenthold. Without objection, we will give you another minute or two. Ms. Norton. It is this graph, multi-year budget comparison of revolving fund, OPM and OIG is what it really increases there. I am trying to account for the 4,000, if I look at 4,012 and 98. I am asking, if the depth of the work that you have to do is what accounts for the increases, the 79 percent increase, for example, in pricing that I think has already been indicated to the agencies. Mr. Grimes. Our pricing has only gone up once in the last, I think, five years. That was in 2012. Ms. Norton. OPMs reported cost to conduct background investigations increased by almost 79 percent in fiscal year 2005 to $1.1 billion in fiscal year 2011. That is the GAO report. Mr. Grimes. Right, and I think that reflects, again, the depth of the investigations that are required and the types of investigations that have been asked for. Ms. Norton. Yes, Mr. Chairman, you can see why we need an in-depth look at this agency. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you very much, Ms. Norton. We will now go to the gentleman from Missouri, Mr. Clay. You are recognized for five minutes or thereabouts. Mr. Clay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for conducting this hearing. As the stewards of the taxpayer funds, the Federal Government needs to prevent waste, fraud and abuse. The concerns raised by GAO and the OPM IG regarding OPMs revolving fund provide strong support for improving the IG's oversight of the fund's activities. And I appreciate that OPM has been able to eliminate the investigations backlog and improve its timeliness. When GAO was looking at OPMs background investigation service, it had recommended that OPM look at process efficiencies to eliminate costs. Panel members, are there particular revolving fund processes that you believe can be streamlined? We will start with you, Ms. Rix. Ms. Rix. Thank you. I believe that both the investigative process, retirement claims processing processes, the hiring and staffing process of the Federal Government, and the general process by which agencies are able to operationally execute their HR service should in fact all benefit from innovations in technology. There is no reason to have conflicting requirements, to have non-digital methods of getting work done or not having case files and records that are 100 percent digital going forward. These are products and innovations that are readily available from the private sector. OPM has had a not invented here, build don't buy process that has effectively ignored the innovations of the last five to ten years in terms of where technology is today, supporting very large scale private companies, for example. Mr. Clay. Mr. Grimes, how can we streamline? Thank you for your response, Ms. Rix. Mr. Grimes, any comments on how we can streamline the processes? Mr. Grimes. There are steps that could be taken to streamlining the revolving fund process by, for example, looking at maybe a five-year rate of return rather than the three years that we do now. Possibly by annual budgets instead of annual year budgets. That would help. With regard to investigations, we are undergoing a transformation in our FIS operation to bring more automation into the process. We are looking to increase our timeliness through changing from batch processing to real-time processing. We are looking at increasing our quality by providing enhanced data validations and real-time information and with the field agents as they conduct their work. We are improving our data security and so forth. So we are taking steps to improve and streamline that process. Mr. Clay. Thank you for your response. Mr. McFarland, any suggestions on streamlining? Mr. McFarland. Mr. Clay, this is very difficult, because I sit here giving you the same answer all the time, based on this particular subject. I don't know, because we haven't been able to look into the processes. It is very frustrating for an inspector general office to have to say that, and I apologize for having to say that. But once we are able to, we will delve into everything. Mr. Clay. Mr. McFarland, given the fact that OPMs revolving fund operations are operated on a cost recovery basis, does that in a way serve as a disincentive to streamline business processes and reduce costs? Mr. McFarland. One might think so, simply because it is controlled, and there is really not competition per se. But once we could evaluate pricing methodology, technology innovation and everything else, we will have some very definitive answers. Mr. Clay. Mr. Grimes, does that serve as a disincentive to streamline business processes? Mr. Grimes. I think again, on the surface, yes, I can see where someone might make that assumption. But that is not the way we operate. We constantly look for ways to streamline our operations. Mr. Clay. What about you, Ms. Rix? What is your opinion? Ms. Rix. I think the VA example that I read to you is probably the clearest example of the impact government-wide of having products and services that are mandated for agency use, that are inadequate and antiquated technologies producing considerable cost inefficiencies. The revolving fund does in fact distort the incentive for OPM, because it is incented to maintain that revenue level in order to maintain its employment level. Mr. Clay. Thank you so much for your responses. I yield back. Mr. Farenthold. Thank you very much, Mr. Clay. We are still under an hour here, and I have a couple more questions, so we will do a second round of questioning. So if you have some more, Mr. Clay, or Mr. Lynch, we will get back to you as well. We will get going here with a second round of questioning. Ms. Rix, you are in a company that basically does work similar to what OPM does in their revolving fund. What percentage or, can you give me an idea of what you spend on, I would call it quality control, security investigations, what have you all been doing in-house? What Mr. McFarland wants to do is an IG with respect to the revolving fund. Obviously you have a higher level of transparency in government than the private sector. But management would dictate that you have some sort of quality control similar to what an IG would do. How do you all do it? What do you all spend there? Percentages are good. Ms. Rix. We probably spend about 50 percent of our total revenues on maintaining the security level of protocols of our data centers and access to our systems, which is a requirement by the Federal Information Security Management Act. In addition to that, the quality control function, as well as ensuring that our expense rate is maintained at a low level. I will give you a couple of examples of recent innovations that have allowed for dramatic cost savings for our company. Mr. Farenthold. Let me limit that to about 45 seconds, because I have some more questions. Ms. Rix. One thing that we have been able to do is reduce our cost from about $1.4 million in a year in data center operations to approximately $14,000 a year by adopting cloud- based solutions from Amazon that are government-approved. Another is we have been able to reduce our fees to our customers by the Avue budget protection plan in concert with the reductions to their budget, so that we can be in line with reductions that our clients are experiencing. So those are things we pay attention to and monitor constantly as well as price. Mr. Farenthold. Let's go back to Mr. McFarland now. I think we are going to get some bipartisan agreement that we need to get you guys looking into the revolving fund. What do you want in the legislation? How much money, how many people? Give us an idea how you want us to craft the legislation and how you would suggest that we pay for it in this tight budgetary environment. Mr. McFarland. What we have asked for in our planning was .33 percent of the total budget. In this particular case, that would bring us to $6.6 million. Our anticipation is the first year probably, but not for sure at all, that we would spend possibly $1.5 million to get things moving. There has to be a plan in place which we have already started working on. And we have to move aggressively to get people trained. Mr. Farenthold. I have to get to funding. I do have a limited amount of time. The FIS and the revolving fund is cost specific. We could pull some money out of that without appropriating some more money and give you some money there to investigate it and do some of the management structures without really directly costing the taxpayers some money. Is that accurate? Mr. McFarland. Are you saying such as a memorandum of understanding, that type of thing? Mr. Farenthold. We just say, all right, for the for-profit or non-traditional activities, X percent goes to the IG to investigate that. Mr. McFarland. That is what we are seeking in the legislation. Mr. Farenthold. That is what you are after? Mr. McFarland. Yes. Mr. Farenthold. No direct appropriations. Mr. McFarland. That is right. Mr. Farenthold. Obviously Mr. Grimes might argue, well, we are going to raise the price to our customers to pay for that. Or do you have some sort of flexibility in profit, where a small percentage wouldn't hurt you? Mr. McFarland. Let's say tomorrow we get it and the next day we use all $6.6 million. That is very easy to explain away as far as what the cost would be. OPM would have to raise the cost to the customer, per $1,000, $3.35. We are not anywhere close to taking that kind of money, $6.6 million. We want to probably start about $1.5 million. Mr. Farenthold. Mr. Grimes, do you think you would have to significantly raise the prices to your customers to fund the IG looking at what you were doing? Mr. Grimes. No. We would not have to raise them significantly. Mr. Farenthold. Would you have any objection to that sort of legislation? Mr. Grimes. In fact, we support that legislation. Mr. Farenthold. All right, great. I appreciate that. Just one quick last question. One of the things you said in your testimony that kind of tweaked my interest was, you stated that the OPM has created specific training offerings for Federal employees that align with the Administration's management priorities. What are the Administration's management priorities and what are you doing with respect to that? Are there any specific courses or directives there? Mr. Grimes. I can't list off any specific courses, but they are leadership and training courses and management and so forth that we offer, that agencies can avail themselves of. Mr. Farenthold. All right, thank you very much. Mr. Lynch, do you have some more questions? You have five minutes. Mr. Lynch. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to go back, Mr. McFarland, the Administration has proposed a way to increase the IG's budget, you are familiar with that? Mr. McFarland. Yes, sir. Mr. Lynch. And I know in your testimony you indicated that you might be able to achieve a return of $7 for every $1 you spend. Mr. McFarland. That was reflective of what we do now with the retirement and the heath care. That is what we bring back now. And that changes year to year, of course. Mr. Lynch. Right. The President does have a proposal, as the chairman pointed out, that would give you about $6.6 million, something like that. Any problems or any refinements that you might have to the President's proposal? Mr. McFarland. No. That would be just fine the way it is. Mr. Lynch. Mr. Grimes, you seem to be okay with that as well? Mr. Grimes. Yes, we are. Mr. Lynch. Okay, I don't have any more questions. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Farenthold. It is good when we have consensus. Mr. Clay? Mr. Clay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand that Congress created OPMs revolving fund back in 1952, and that it was originally used to allow OPMs predecessor to recover the cost of conducting background checks for other Federal agencies. Over the years, the revolving fund was expanded to permit OPM to recover the cost of providing training and other HR related services to Federal agencies. I firmly believe that these activities are necessary for an effective government. Mr. Grimes, both Mr. McFarland and Ms. Rix have testified about the tremendous growth in the revolving fund. Can you explain to us what you believe are the reasons for the substantial growth? Mr. Grimes. Thank you, Mr. Clay. I can. In 2005, we inherited the workload from the Department of Defense investigation program. It came with an enormous backlog. And as I mentioned in my testimony, that did increase the cost of the revolving fund. But in six years, we were able to get that backlog eliminated and get our timeliness to processing down to 40 days. Mr. Clay. And then with that, do you do background checks for the DOD? Mr. Grimes. Yes, we do. Mr. Clay. Okay. Mr. Grimes, I understand that at the end of fiscal year 2012 the amount of surplus in the revolving fund was $379 million. Now, Mr. Grimes, does the statute authorizing OPMs revolving fund allow for the carryover of surplus funds from one year to another? Mr. Grimes. The statute allows us to maintain a corpus that would allow us to, for example, shut down a program without having to rely on appropriated funds. So for example, if the HRS program were shut down, there needs to be enough money there to shut the program down. And that is kind of the standard that we use. The amount of the revolving fund, I believe FIS had an independent contract calculate what they ought to have. And that number was between $180 million and $270 million. So they are probably around $210 million right now, I believe, and the balance is probably in our HRS. I can get you more specific figures if you are interested. Mr. Clay. Yes, would you do that? And do you ever turn any money back in to the Treasury? Mr. Grimes. We would if we had excessive returns. But so far, we have not. Mr. Clay. Well, okay. Do you have plans for the use of the current revolving fund surplus? Mr. Grimes. That fund exists for capital investment and also the ability to shut the program down, should we have to do that. So to the extent that we get, we make more money in a year than we calculate what that fund ought to be, then we would have to do something like that, yes. Mr. Clay. Is there any of the money used for conferences? Mr. Grimes. We don't spend much on conferences any more. Mr. Clay. Very good. Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Mr. Farenthold. On that note, we would like to thank our witnesses and of course, my fellow members for participating. This was a great hearing, one that shows more bipartisan consensus than I think I have seen in my two years in Congress. I think you can count on some positive results as a result of this hearing. And again, thank you for being here, and we are adjourned. 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