[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] AN OVERVIEW OF THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2014 ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPACE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ April 24, 2013 __________ Serial No. 113-23 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology Available via the World Wide Web: http://science.house.gov COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HON. LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas, Chair DANA ROHRABACHER, California EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas RALPH M. HALL, Texas ZOE LOFGREN, California F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois Wisconsin DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Texas ERIC SWALWELL, California PAUL C. BROUN, Georgia DAN MAFFEI, New York STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi ALAN GRAYSON, Florida MO BROOKS, Alabama JOSEPH KENNEDY III, Massachusetts RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois SCOTT PETERS, California LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana DEREK KILMER, Washington STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas AMI BERA, California BILL POSEY, Florida ELIZABETH ESTY, Connecticut CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming MARC VEASEY, Texas DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona JULIA BROWNLEY, California THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky MARK TAKANO, California KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota ROBIN KELLY, Illinois JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma RANDY WEBER, Texas CHRIS STEWART, Utah VACANCY ------ Subcommittee on Space HON. STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi, Chair RALPH M. HALL, Texas DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland DANA ROHRABACHER, California SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma DAN MAFFEI, New York MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Texas JOSEPH KENNEDY III, Massachusetts MO BROOKS, Alabama DEREK KILMER, Washington LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana AMI BERA, California STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas MARC VEASEY, Texas BILL POSEY, Florida JULIA BROWNLEY, California DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas CHRIS STEWART, Utah LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas C O N T E N T S April 24, 2013 Page Witness List..................................................... 2 Hearing Charter.................................................. 3 Opening Statements Statement by Representative Steven M. Palazzo, Chairman, Subcommittee on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives...................... 17 Written Statement............................................ 19 Statement by Representative Donna Edwards, Ranking Minority Member, Subcommittee on Space, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives...................... 19 Written Statement............................................ 21 Statement by Representative Lamar Smith, Chairman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.. 22 Written Statement............................................ 23 Witnesses: The Honorable Charles F. Bolden, Jr., Administrator, National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Oral Statement............................................... 24 Written Statement............................................ 26 Discussion....................................................... 36 Appendix I: Answers to Post-Hearing Questions The Honorable Charles F. Bolden, Jr., Administrator, National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).................... 56 Appendix II: Additional Material for the Record Submitted statement by Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, Ranking Member, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.................................. 126 Submitted letter by the Planetary Society........................ 127 AN OVERVIEW OF THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2014 ---------- WEDNESDAY, APRIL 24, 2013 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Space Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 2:00 p.m., in Room 2318 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Steven Palazzo [Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding. 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I would like to welcome everyone to our hearing today, and I especially want to thank our witness, NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden, for joining us. I know many people put in a lot of effort preparing for these hearings, and we appreciate you taking time from your busy schedule to appear before the Subcommittee. The purpose of today's hearing is to review the Administration's Fiscal Year 2014 budget request for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and to examine its priorities and challenges. Before we review the details of the NASA request, I feel it is necessary to express my disappointment that the Administration has been unable to fulfill its responsibilities for a timely budget as required under the Budget and Accounting Act. In the future, I hope the Administration will be on time. This year NASA is requesting $17.7 billion, a decrease of $55 million from Fiscal Year 2012 and $733 million less than Fiscal Year 2011. In a time of budgetary restraints such as the one our Nation is facing, we must ensure that every agency is doing its part, and I believe the top line request for NASA is fair in this regard. There are several areas of the request that I believe require serious deliberation and thoughtful debate. Within the Human Operations and Exploration Mission Directorate, I am most concerned with the requests for the Commercial Crew Program, the Space Launch System and the Orion crew capsule. Certainly the successful launches of both SpaceX and Orbital Sciences are significant milestones, and they should be applauded for those achievements. However, I continue to be concerned about the strategy NASA is employing to fund crew transportation systems. We must recognize the times in which we are operating. If funding multiple companies to develop these systems is no longer feasible, we must reevaluate our strategy. Our first priority must be getting American astronauts launching on American rockets from American soil as soon as safely possible. I am skeptical about continuing to develop a market as broad and as deep as NASA suggests because I think it could delay that goal. This is a conversation I anticipate revisiting as the Committee prepares for the NASA reauthorization later this year. Additionally, I am concerned about the requests for the Space Launch System and the Orion crew capsule. While Congress continues to insist that these two programs be priorities, NASA has once again offered a budget that does not demonstrate the sustained commitment to their development. I remain committed to ensuring our Nation has a robust exploration program, and I am curious what milestones or important testing NASA believes can be pushed out in the schedule to accommodate the lower request. I am also troubled by NASA's requested reductions in the Science, Aeronautics, and Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorates, while asking for $105 million for an Asteroid Retrieval Mission that was announced seemingly out of the blue. This request was not accompanied by a budget profile, technical plan or long-term strategy. Yet NASA has asked Congress to commit to funding the first steps. I look forward to hearing more about this mission and how NASA intends to cover the $2.6 billion that the Keck Institute for Space Studies estimated it would cost. In the Science Mission Directorate, the Administration has requested authority to transfer several climate sensors from the troubled Joint Polar Satellite System and the Deep Space Climate Observatory out of the NOAA budget and assign them to the Earth Science program budget. The budget request also transfers Landsat Data Continuity Mission follow-on activities from the U.S. Geological Survey to NASA and the development infrastructure for Radioisotope Power Systems from the Department of Energy to NASA. So I am worried that NASA is footing the bill for other agency requirements, all while being asked to take an overall budget cut. Finally, I am concerned by the growth of the Space Technology program. The request for the Space Technology program this year is a 62 percent increase over the appropriation it received in Fiscal Year 2012. This is a significant amount of growth in only two years. Although NASA has announced that it will organize Space Technology as a mission directorate, it has not requested authority to do so in the upcoming authorization bill and it is not entirely clear how the projects in Space Technology differ from those in the other mission directorates. Mr. Administrator, like you, I am committed to ensuring that our Nation has a robust space program that will continue to lead the world for generations. I am concerned, however, that NASA has neglected Congressional funding priorities and been distracted by new and questionable missions that detract from our ultimate deep space exploration goals. These distractions also take up precious lines in the budget at a time when NASA can least afford it. [The prepared statement of Mr. Palazzo follows:] Prepared Statement of Subcommittee on Space Chairman Steven Palazzo Good afternoon. I would like to welcome everyone to our hearing today and I especially want to thank our witness, NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden, for joining us. I know many people put in a lot of effort preparing for these hearings, and we appreciate you taking time from your busy schedule to appear before the Subcommittee. The purpose of today's hearing is to review the Administration's fiscal year 2014 budget request for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and to examine its priorities and challenges. Before we review the details of the NASA request, I feel it is necessary to express my disappointment that the Administration has been unable to fulfill its responsibilities for a timely budget as required under the Budget and Accounting Act. In the future, I hope the Administration will be on time.This year NASA is requesting $17.7 billion, a decrease of $55 million from fiscal year 2012 and $733 million less than fiscal year 2011. In a time of budgetary restraints such as the one our nation is facing, we must ensure that every agency is doing its part, and I believe the topline request for NASA is fair in this regard. There are several areas of the request that I believe require serious deliberation and thoughtful debate. Within the Human Operations and Exploration Mission Directorate I am most concerned with the requests for the Commercial Crew Program, the Space Launch System and the Orion crew capsule. Certainly the successful launches of both SpaceX and Orbital Sciences are significant milestones and they should be applauded for those achievements, however, I continue to be concerned about the strategy NASA is employing to fund crew transportation systems. We must recognize the times in which we are operating, if funding multiple companies to develop these systems is no longer feasible, we must reevaluate our strategy. Our first priority must be getting American astronauts launching on American rockets from American soil as soon as is safely possible. I am skeptical about continuing to develop a market as broad and as deep as NASA suggests because I think it could delay that goal. This is a conversation I anticipate revisiting as the Committee prepares for the NASA reauthorization later this year. Additionally, I am concerned about the requests for the Space Launch System and the Orion crew capsule. While Congress continues to insist that these two programs be priorities, NASA has once again offered a budget that does not demonstrate a sustained commitment to their development. I remain committed to ensuring our nation has a robust exploration program and I am curious what milestones or important testing NASA believes can be pushed out in the schedule to accommodate the lower request. I am also troubled by NASA's requested reductions in the Science, Aeronautics, and Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorates, while asking for $105 million for an asteroid retrieval mission that was announced seemingly out of the blue. This request was not accompanied by a budget profile, technical plan, or long-term strategy. Yet NASA has asked Congress to commit to funding the first steps. I look forward to hearing more about this mission and how NASA intends to cover the $2.6 billion that the Keck Institute for Space Studies estimated it would cost. In the Science Mission Directorate, the Administration has requested authority to transfer several climate sensors from the troubled Joint Polar Satellite System (JPSS) and the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) out of the NOAA budget and assign them to the Earth Science program budget. The budget request also transfers Landsat Data Continuity Mission follow-on activities from the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) to NASA, and the development infrastructure for Radioisotope Power Systems from the Department of Energy (DOE) to NASA. I am worried that NASA is footing the bill for other agency requirements; all while being asked to take an overall budget cut. Finally, I am concerned by the growth of the Space Technology program. The request for the Space Technology program this year is a 62% increase over the appropriation it received in fiscal year 2012. This is a significant amount of growth in only two years. Although NASA has announced that it will organize Space Technology as a mission directorate, it has not requested authority to do so in the upcoming authorization bill and it is not entirely clear how the projects in Space Technology differ from those in the other mission directorates. Mr. Administrator, like you, I am committed to ensuring that our nation has a robust space program that will continue to lead the world for generations. I am concerned however that NASA has neglected Congressional funding priorities and been distracted by new and questionable missions that detract from our ultimate deep space exploration goals. These distractions also take up precious lines in the budget at a time when NASA can least afford it. Chairman Palazzo. I now recognize the Ranking Member, the gentlelady from Maryland, Ms. Edwards, for an opening statement. Ms. Edwards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good afternoon and welcome to Administrator Bolden. Before I begin, I want to offer my congratulations to NASA and to Orbital on the test flight of the Antares launcher on Sunday. The successful test flight speaks well of the teamwork among Orbital, NASA and the Wallops Flight Facility and the FAA including the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport in the Virginia Commercial Space Flight Authority. So congratulations. Now today we are meeting to review the $17.7 billion request for NASA's Fiscal Year 2014 budget, and I know, General Bolden, that it has not been easy getting to this point. With sequestration and the late resolution of the fiscal 2013 budget, we in Congress have not provided you with the optimal conditions under which to plan and implement NASA's inspiring portfolio of missions, but here we are. Now I have said before and I will say it again that our investments in research and development, including space, are investments in innovation, jobs and future economic growth. If we skimp on the input side of the equation, we can't expect positive changes in our Nation's capacity for innovation and growth. That is why we need to take a careful look at how the resources requested match the program content included in the Fiscal Year 2014 budget request. At the Full Committee hearing just last week on the Fiscal Year 2014 budget request for science agencies, the President's science advisor, Dr. Holdren, testified, and I quote, ``NASA has long had the problem of 20 pounds of mission in a 10-pound budget and they continue to.'' I share that concern. This proposal includes requests for NASA's key priorities, the James Webb Space Telescope, the International Space Station and the Space Launch System and Orion Crew Vehicle, along with its science and aeronautics programs and its infrastructure support. I worry that for all the work that NASA is tasked with doing to move forward toward fulfilling the 2010 NASA Reauthorization Act that the agency is also cherry-picking aspects of that strategic plan that it finds favorable while undercutting other priorities in the law. For example, the 2014 budget request includes $105 million as a down payment to fund initial concept work on a mission that would demonstrate solar electric propulsion technology that is needed to capture a small asteroid, move it into trans-lunar region and then potentially use that asteroid as a target destination for the first crewed flight of the SLS and Orion system. In addition, the request includes $820 million a year over the next several years to fund the development of Commercial Crew capability for transporting astronauts to and from the ISS, a significant increase from the $400 million and $500 million range that Congress has been willing to authorize and appropriate for those activities in the last three fiscal years. My fear is that I have already gotten to the 20 pounds of program content that Dr. Holdren was talking about in NASA's $17.7 billion request. And that doesn't include the unfunded new responsibilities for developing climate sensors that NASA's Earth Science program has inherited from NOAA, the $50 million increase required for full reimbursement now to the Department of Energy for resuming the domestic production of material that is needed to power deep space missions, or the 29 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2012 actual spending levels that is being sought for NASA's Space Technology program. To NASA's credit, the agency has been making progress in managing schedule and cost on its activities. The Government Accountability Office just recently issued a report that stated that NASA had success in the last two years in launching missions on cost or on schedule. I commend the agency and the contractor workforce on this progress, and yet the GAO also says that sustaining the changes that have led to these successes will be challenging within a period of flat or decreasing budgets and with the ongoing work on several large- scale and complex projects. Should any of the JWST, ISS or SLS/ Orion programs experience a hiccup, the financial impact could have, and this is quoting GAO, ``cascading effects on the rest of the portfolio.'' Indeed, GAO's word of caution gives me pause since I don't see a lot of flexibility within the 2014 request for dealing with that situation. I hope today's discussion can clarify the rationale for the proposed asteroid and capture retrieval initiative proposed in the 2014 budget and particularly how it contributes to detecting and characterizing 90 percent of near-Earth asteroids 140 meters in diameter or less--we have heard testimony in this Committee about that--as set in policy and successive authorization acts. In these tight budgetary times, we need to be sure the proposed approach will be the most efficient means of achieving those objectives. So I look forward, Administrator Bolden, to what I hope will be a beginning of an active dialogue on both the policy and resources required to support NASA and in effectively implementing its challenging and inspiring portfolio. And I thank you, Mr. Chairman, and yield, well, not the balance of my time, but I do yield. [The prepared statement of Ms. Edwards follows:] Prepared Statement of Ranking Minority Member Donna Edwards Good afternoon and welcome, General Bolden. Before I start, I'd like to offer my congratulations to NASA and Orbital on the test flight of the Antares launcher on Sunday. The successful test flight speaks well of the teamwork among Orbital, NASA, the Wallops Flight Facility, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport, and the Virginia Commercial Space Flight Authority. Today, we're meeting to review the $17.7 billion request for NASA's Fiscal Year 2014 budget. I know, General Bolden, that it has not been easy getting to this point. With sequestration and the late resolution of the Fiscal Year 2013 budget, we in Congress have not provided you with the optimal conditions under which to plan and implement NASA's inspiring portfolio of missions. I have said before and will say again that our investments in research and development, including space, are investments in innovation, jobs, and future economic growth. If we skimp on the inputs side of the equation, we can't expect positive changes to our nation's capacity for innovation and growth. That is why we need to take a careful look at how the resources requested match the program content included in the FY 2014 budget request. At the Full Committee hearing last week on the Fiscal Year 2014 budget request for Science Agencies, the President's Science Adviser, Dr. Holdren, testified that "NASA has long had the problem of 20 lbs. of missions in a 10 lb. budget, and they continue to." I share that concern.This proposal includes requests for NASA's key priorities--the James Webb Space Telescope, the International Space Station (ISS), and the Space Launch System (SLS) and Orion crew vehicle--along with its Science and Aeronautics programs, and its infrastructure support. I worry that for all the work NASA is doing to move towards fulfilling the 2010 NASA Authorization Act, that the Agency is also cherry picking aspects of that strategic plan that it finds favorable while undercutting other priority areas in the law. For instance, the FY 2014 budget request includes a $105 million down payment to fund initial concept work on a mission that would demonstrate solar-electric propulsion technology that is needed to capture a small asteroid, move it into a trans-lunar region, and then potentially use that asteroid as a target destination for the first crewed flight of the SLS and Orion system. In addition, the request includes $820 million a year over the next several years to fund the development of Commercial Crew capability for transporting astronauts to and from the ISS, a significant increase from the $400 and $500 million range that Congress has been willing to authorize and appropriate for those activities in the last three fiscal years. I fear I've already gotten to the 20 lbs. of program content that Dr. Holdren was talking about in NASA's $17.7 billion request. And that doesn't include the unfunded new responsibilities for developing climate sensors that NASA's Earth Science program has inherited from NOAA, the $50 million increase required for full reimbursement to the Department of Energy for resuming the domestic production of material that is needed to power deep space missions, or the 29 percent increase over FY 2012 actual spending levels being sought for NASA's Space Technology Program. To NASA's credit, the agency has been making progress in managing schedule and cost on its activities. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) just recently issued a report that stated: "NASA has had success in the last two years in launching missions on cost or on schedule." I commend the NASA and contractor workforce on this progress. Yet, the GAO also says that sustaining the changes that have led to these successes will be challenging within a period of flat or decreasing budgets and with the ongoing work on several large-scale and complex projects. Should any of the JWST, ISS, or the SLS/Orion programs experience a hiccup, the financial impact could have ``cascading effects on the rest of the portfolio,'' as GAO puts it. GAO's words of caution give me pause since I don't see a lot of flexibility within the FY2014 request for dealing with that situation. I hope that today's discussion can clarify the rationale for the proposed asteroid and capture retrieval initiative proposed in the FY 2014 budget, particularly how it contributes to detecting and characterizing 90 percent of near-Earth asteroids 140 meters in diameter or less, and how it advances our capability of sending humans to destinations such as Mars, as set in policy in successive Authorization Acts. In these tight budgetary times, we need to be sure the proposed approach will be the most efficient means of achieving those objectives. So, I look forward, Administrator Bolden, to what I hope will be the beginning of an active dialogue on both the policy and the resources required to support NASA in effectively implementing its challenging and inspiring portfolio. Chairman Palazzo. Thank you, Ms. Edwards. I now recognize the Chairman of the Full Committee for a statement, Mr. Smith. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. America is a Nation of explorers, and space is the next frontier. Just last week, NASA announced the discovery of new worlds beyond our solar system that resemble our own planet. We in Congress need to be diligent in our review of the Administration's proposed budget for NASA to ensure that this agency remains focused on its primary mission, space exploration. In April 2010, almost three years ago, President Obama addressed the NASA workforce at the Kennedy Space Center. He stated that the next mission for American astronauts beyond the International Space Station was an asteroid and canceled NASA's many years of work to return to the surface of the Moon. Last December, a National Academy of Sciences review of NASA's strategic direction made the following observation. ``The Committee has seen little evidence that a current stated goal for NASA's human spaceflight program, namely to visit an asteroid by 2025, has been widely accepted as a compelling destination by NASA's own workforce, by the Nation as a whole or by the international community. On the international front there appears to be continued enthusiasm for a mission to the Moon but not for an asteroid mission.'' Not having found a suitable asteroid for NASA astronauts, the President's budget now proposes a robotic Asteroid Retrieval Mission to bring one closer to the Moon. NASA's budget does not identify where the funding for such an Asteroid Retrieval Mission will come from, but it is likely to detract from NASA's human spaceflight projects, the International Space Station, Orion Crew Vehicle, and Space Launch System. Further, the President's budget requests over $1.8 billion for NASA's Earth Science programs. How does this high level of spending affect other NASA priorities, especially planetary exploration? Here are the priorities for NASA's exploration missions that have been consistent in Congressional authorizations for the past eight years. We need to make the International Space Station both an international and scientific success that will enable further exploration beyond Earth orbit. We need to build new systems to once again launch American astronauts on American rockets as soon as possible. Today, the United States pays Russia $63 million to take each of our astronauts to the station. While we support certain investments by NASA to fund private sector cargo and crew initiatives to support the station, Congress has been clear over the years that the Orion Crew Vehicle serve as a backup option. And finally, after receiving testimony from many engineers and astronauts, Congress has been insistent that in order to venture beyond low-Earth orbit, a heavy-lift launch vehicle, NASA's Space Launch System, needs to be developed. The goal of NASA's human spaceflight program is to go to Mars and beyond on a path that includes returning to the Moon or asteroids as necessary. This stepping-stone approach for our exploration out of low-Earth orbit is clear and unambiguous. While Federal budgets will continue to be uncertain, congressional support for NASA's exploration mission is clear and unwavering. Thank you Mr. Chairman, I will yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Smith follows:] Prepared Statement of Chairman Lamar Smith America is a nation of explorers, and space is the next frontier. Just last week, NASA announced the discovery of new worlds beyond our solar system that resemble our own planet. We in Congress need to be diligent in our review of the Administration's proposed budget for NASA to ensure that this agency remains focused on its primary mission-space exploration. In April 2010-almost three years ago-President Obama addressed the NASA workforce at the Kennedy Space Center. He stated that the next mission for American astronauts beyond the International Space Station was an asteroid, and canceled NASA's many years of work to return to the surface of the Moon. Last December, a National Academy of Sciences review of NASA's strategic direction made the following observation: ``The Committee has seen little evidence that a current stated goal for NASA's human spaceflight program-namely, to visit an asteroid by 2025-has been widely accepted as a compelling destination by NASA's own workforce, by the nation as a whole, or by the international community. On the international front there appears to be continued enthusiasm for a mission to the Moon but not for an asteroid mission.'' Not having found a suitable asteroid for NASA astronauts, the President's budget now proposes a robotic asteroid retrieval mission to bring one closer to the Moon. NASA's budget does not identify where the funding for such an asteroid retrieval mission will come from. But it is likely to detract from NASA's human spaceflight projects, the International Space Station, Orion Crew Vehicle and Space Launch System. Further, the President's budget requests over $1.8 billion for NASA's Earth Science programs. How does this high level of spending affect other NASA priorities, especially planetary exploration? Here are the priorities for NASA's exploration missions that have been consistent in Congressional authorizations for the past eight years:We need to make the International Space Station both an international and scientific success that will enable further exploration beyond Earth orbit. We need to build new systems to once again launch American astronauts on American rockets as soon as possible. Today, the U.S. pays Russia $63 million to take each of our astronauts to the Station. While we support certain investments by NASA to fund private sector cargo and crew initiatives to support the Station, Congress has been clear over the years that the Orion Crew Vehicle serve as a backup option. And finally, after receiving testimony from many engineers and astronauts, Congress has been insistent that in order to venture beyond Low-Earth orbit, a heavy-lift launch vehicle-NASA's Space Launch System-needs to be developed. By contrast, I am disheartened by the Administration's ever- changing goals and their lack of justifications and details. The goal of NASA's human spaceflight program is to go to Mars and beyond on a path that includes returning to the moon or asteroids as necessary. This stepping-stone approach for our exploration out of low- earth orbit is clear and unambiguous. While federal budgets will continue to be uncertain, Congressional support for NASA's exploration mission is clear and unwavering. Thank you Mr. Chairman, I yield back the remainder of my time. Chairman Palazzo. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If there are Members who wish to submit additional opening statements, your statements will be added to the record at this point. [The prepared statement of Ms. Johnson appears in appendix II] Chairman Palazzo. At this time I would like to introduce today's witness, The Honorable Charles F. Bolden, Jr., the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I now recognize Administrator Bolden to present his testimony. TESTIMONY OF THE HONORABLE CHARLES F. BOLDEN, JR., ADMINISTRATOR, NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION General Bolden. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee. Let me thank you for the opportunity to appear today to discuss NASA's Fiscal Year 2014 budget request. Let me start by thanking the Full Committee as well as this Subcommittee for your continued bipartisan support of NASA and the world's second-to-none civil space program. That support is also reflected among the American people and the White House as evidence by the President's $17.7 billion funding request for NASA. The budget reflects today's fiscal realities, and it aligns NASA's full spectrum of activities to meet the President's challenge to send humans to an asteroid by 2025 and to Mars in the 2030s. As part of the agency's overall asteroid strategy, NASA is planning a first-ever mission to identify, capture, and redirect an asteroid into orbit around the Moon. This mission represents an unprecedented technological challenge raising the bar for human exploration and discovery while helping protect our home planet and keep bringing us closer to a human mission to Mars in the 2030s. This budget also supports NASA's partnerships with American industry partners who are developing new ways to reach space. These partnerships are creating jobs and enabling NASA to focus on new technologies that benefit all of our missions. An industry partner, Space-X, has begun resupplying the International Space Station with cargo launched from the United States, and Sunday's successful test launch of Orbital Science's Antares marks another significant milestone in NASA's plan to rely on American companies to launch supplies and astronauts to the International Space Station. Orbital is now poised for its first demonstration launch and mission to the ISS later this year. The Administration is committed to launching American astronauts from U.S. soil within the next four years, and this budget provides the necessary resources to achieve this goal. This budget fully funds the International Space Station that remains the springboard to our next great leap in exploration. It also continues investments that are developing the SLS rocket and Orion Crew Vehicle that will take astronauts to deep space and it supports driving the development of space technologies such as solar electric propulsion that will power tomorrow's missions and help improve life here on Earth. This budget continues to build on our Nation's record of breathtaking scientific discoveries and achievements in space with science missions that will reach further into our solar system and provide critical knowledge about our home planet. Among other science goals, the budget will sustain NASA's vital role in helping us understand Earth system and climate and the dynamics between our planet and our sun. These efforts will provide critical knowledge about our home planet and potential threats. We will continue our steady progress toward our next great observatory as we develop the James Webb Space Telescope scheduled to launch in 2018. NASA's program of innovative aeronautics research is pursuing an ambitious research agenda for substantially reducing aircraft fuel consumption, emissions and noise. With the 2014 request, NASA begins a new $25 million-a-year advanced composites project that will focus on innovative composite materials and structures. Mr. Chairman, we have had to make some pretty tough choices with this budget, but I am committed to making sure NASA is using its resources strategically for a cohesive exploration program that bolsters our economy, improves life on Earth and raises the bar of what humans can achieve. I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of General Bolden follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.016 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.017 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.018 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.019 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.020 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.021 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.022 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.023 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.024 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.025 Chairman Palazzo. I want to thank again the witness for being available for questioning today. I also want to remind Members that Committee rules limit questioning to five minutes. The Chair will at this point open the round of questions. Administrator Bolden, under current topline funding levels, what is the cost schedule confidence level for SLS being operational by 2017? General Bolden. Sir, if you are asking about the joint confidence level number, I don't think we have finished developing that yet, but I will get to it for certain. But I will say that I know it will be a number with which I will be very comfortable for a number of reasons. Unlike other brand new programs, SLS is an evolving system in which we are using previously proven hardware, if you will. The shuttle main engines are the main propulsion system for SLS in the beginning. We are using, granted, a five-segment solid-rocket motor as the initial boosters for the system, but it is still very well-proven technology. Orion has been through now two programs, Constellation and presently the Orion program itself. So we are at a level of maturity with those programs that we would not ordinarily be with another program. So I am very confident in our cost estimates. We have had an independent cost assessment done that has been available to this Committee and Congress for about a year or so now in which they assess that our estimates were well- founded, that the process for determining what we thought the cost would be was grounded in good budgeting and cost planning. They cautioned us that we probably could use more, but as I think I have told this Committee and others before, I don't remember a time that we couldn't use more to buy down risk on any of our projects. Chairman Palazzo. So you don't have a joint confidence level percentage right now? General Bolden. We don't have a joint confidence level percentage right now because we have not reached what we call the key decision point C which is the point at which we determine whether we are going to go forward with a program. If that number came out to be really bad, which I don't anticipate, it might dictate that a program be cancelled. But I don't anticipate that at all. Chairman Palazzo. When can this Committee expect one? General Bolden. Mr. Chairman, I will get back to you. I think the KDPC is sometime this summer, but I will get back. I will get that for the Committee. Chairman Palazzo. Well, if there is not an official joint confidence level, what would General Bolden say would be as a percentage? General Bolden. Oh, yeah, that is what I said. My guess is that---- Chairman Palazzo. A percentage. General Bolden. --that my guess, and I shouldn't do this-- no, let me not. Chairman Palazzo. Okay. General Bolden. I shouldn't and I won't. Chairman Palazzo. Well, I just want to remind you, I mean, the SLS is one of NASA's top priorities, and we in this Committee look forward to seeing a joint level, confidence level as soon as possible. General Bolden. Sure. Chairman Palazzo. The Administration's budget request for the Space Launch System includes a reduction of $60 million. How was this reduction calculated? General Bolden. Mr. Chairman, let me make sure I understood. Were you saying that the budget shows a $60 million decrease---- Chairman Palazzo. Decrease, correct. General Bolden. --in SLS, in the vehicle itself? Chairman Palazzo. Yes, sir. General Bolden. From the beginning, we used to give you one line for SLS, and every time we came back with a budget, there was always a lot of confusion and okay, that is less money than we told you to spend on SLS. So we now have started breaking out the system into the vehicle itself which is SLS, Exploration Ground Systems, which is included in 21st Century Launch Complex at the Kennedy Space Center, its construction of facility upgrades at Stennis, and we try to break those out individually now. So while there may be what seems to be a reduction in funding deliberately applied to the vehicle, I think our budget numbers have been relatively consistent from what the Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorate has said we needed for the program from the very beginning. Chairman Palazzo. Can you identify the parts of the program that we are either eliminating or reducing? General Bolden. We are not eliminating anything. To my knowledge, we are not reducing anything in the program, but what we are trying to do is more definitively document the amount of money that is going toward the B-2 test stand upgrades at the Stennis Space Center. That was not spelled out in the budget before, and now when you look under what we call CECR, the construction of facilities account, you will see a specific reference to the B-2 test stand, you will see a specific reference in the write-ups to advanced boosters which we think is very critical, not to the 70-metric ton version of SLS, but we will need it when we move up to 150-metric ton version, and we can't wait until we need it in 2025 to start constructing it. So those are numbers that I count toward SLS but the Committee may not attribute to SLS. Chairman Palazzo. So just to clarify, with the reduced funding, you don't see any anticipated missed deadlines for SLS. General Bolden. I don't see, anticipate any missed deadlines, and I would remind the Committee, and I think, Mr. Chairman, you know probably better than anybody sitting in this room because you have seen more than I have at Stennis, we have been testing the J2-X consistently at Stennis very successfully. We have got 500 second tests several times now. We are running tests at ATK with the boosters. We have gotten Orion where it is ready. It is almost ready to fly in the fall of 2014. We could tick off the achievements in both SLS and Orion that meet our milestones, and we have not--with one exception that I know of which is delaying or putting off the abort, the Airborne abort test, for Orion, which we don't need for many years. We delayed that so that we could get some other things done. Chairman Palazzo. Okay. I now recognize Ms. Edwards for five minutes. Ms. Edwards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a statement that is submitted by the Planetary Society expressing concerns about the Fiscal Year 2014 budget that I would like to request be entered into the record. Chairman Palazzo. Without objection, so ordered. [The information appears in Appendix II] Ms. Edwards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. General Bolden, I want to start by asking you about your budget because it seems that it assumes that the sequestration will end. And so I want to know what you believe would happen if sequestration continues to affect the NASA budget in 2014 and beyond, and what would be the likely impacts and have you thought about the planning for that in terms of new initiatives in Fiscal Year 2014 such as the asteroid mission? Would that be eliminated? How would you translate your priorities for 2014 into funding decisions in the event that sequestration continues? General Bolden. Congresswoman, first of all, let me confirm your assumption about the budget itself. The 17.7 is based on the President's confidence that he will be able to work out an agreement with this Congress in the budget for Fiscal Year 2014 that will negate the sequester. So that is a correct assumption. If this Congress and the Administration are unable to do what the American public expects and we have to deal with sequestration for a ten-year period of time, to be quite candid, all bets are off. And things that we talk about, what I do now, when I come to this Committee and say we are fully funding all of our priorities, I can't do that. It puts more than 20 pounds in a 5-pound sack, and we will not be able to do that. Examples would be some of the testing that is necessary for our Commercial Crew Program will have to slip. Several of you have referenced the amount of money that we consistently ask for for Commercial Crew Program and say why do we keep doing that. The reason we keep asking for at first $1 billion annually for the Commercial Crew Program, and then we decided, okay, maybe we can make it for $822 million. What I explained to the Committee four years ago was if we don't get back then it was a billion dollars, we won't be able to deliver Commercial Crew Program in 2014. Ms. Edwards. What about the asteroid mission? What happens to that? General Bolden. The asteroid mission will probably go away. Congresswoman we are in the stage of developing the asteroid mission. The President requested, $105 million for a strategy. Everyone needs to understand, that is not the mission. It is an asteroid strategy that includes $78 million for the development of the mission itself in the Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorate. Ms. Edwards. So General Bolden, let me ask you about that because in the National Academy's 2012 report on NASA's strategic direction found that there is actually little support for an asteroid mission in the science community. What is your overall objective and your testimony as you have just described refers to an overall asteroid strategy. Can you describe that strategy and if you don't have it here, can you give it to us for the record? General Bolden. I can describe it because it is relatively simple, and I would have to refer back to the April 18 hearing. I think it was April 18 when we met on asteroids. Dr. John Holdren, General Shelton, and me and I think it was--I can't remember whether it was Congressman Brooks or Congressman Posey to whom I responded after much of their frustration that the only thing we could do today was pray. The asteroid strategy gives us the capability of being able to increase the number of asteroids that we identify that threaten Earth, to characterize them such that we can determine how we reach them. We are developing a process or a technology that will come forward in the Asteroid Retrieval Mission that will demonstrate that humans can, in fact, alter the path of an asteroid that is headed toward Earth. So these are very important parts of the asteroid strategy. It is-- Ms. Edwards. Let me just interrupt you for a minute. General Bolden. Yes. Ms. Edwards. I apologize. But are you saying to us then that the goal is an asteroid and a capture and retrieval of an asteroid? Or is the goal an interim step to Mars? General Bolden. The goal of our program is to remain the world's leader in space exploration to meet the President's goal for us, or challenge for us, of putting humans in Martian orbit in the 2030s. That is the ultimate destination for humans, and we must not lose track of that. An asteroid is an intermediate destination on the way to our ultimate destination of Mars. An asteroid mission must stand by itself, however. So as a part of the strategy, the asteroid mission answers several other questions that have been asked of us or challenges that have been given us. Putting a human with an asteroid. That is one that the President expressed to us. This Committee and others in this Congress and the National Space Policy demands that we be able to identify, as you said, 100 percent of the asteroids that are 40 meters or less, and this is one of the ways that we intend to move toward answering those questions for the Nation. Ms. Edwards. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I hope we will be able to get to follow-up with this. Thanks. Chairman Palazzo. Thank you, Ms. Edwards. We are going to try to get through as many Members as possible, but then we are going to recess for votes. But we are also going to return, so I now recognize Mr. Smith for five minutes. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It sounds like a number of us have the same type of questions, and Mr. Bolden, you should not take these personally if we ask tough questions because I think we all admire you as an administrator and appreciate the job you are doing. Let me go to the Asteroid Retrieval Mission and follow up on that. NASA's Small Bodies Advisory Group reported, ``While the participants found it to be very interesting and entertaining, it was not considered to be a serious proposal.'' Why would the Administration dismiss the advice of those whose advice they sought? General Bolden. I am not aware of that advice, to be quite honest. That is the first--I just haven't seen that, sir. Chairman Smith. Really? That Small Bodies Advisory Group-- -- General Bolden. I know what the Small Bodies Advisory Group is. I am saying I am not aware that they offered that. I have in my possession the letter from the Planetary--everybody generally cc's me on everything that comes to Congress so I won't be surprised. Chairman Smith. That was---- General Bolden. I am surprised by this. Chairman Smith. That was a direct quote. I will get it to you---- General Bolden. Yes, sir. Chairman Smith. --soon then. The other question, this follows up a little bit as well. Everything I have seen makes me believe that scientists and others who are experts think that a Moon landing rather than a rendezvous with an asteroid is a better precursor to a Mars mission. Would you agree with that or do you think the asteroid is better preparation? General Bolden. Congressman, I would agree with anyone who says that a Moon landing is good. We have done it. We have done it six times, and it was incredibly good. Chairman Smith. There is a lot more to do than what we have done so far. General Bolden. There is so much more to do than what we have done so far. But if I go back to the premise that the Chairman opened up with that we can only do so much. Chairman Smith. Which would be better for the Mars mission? Would it be back to the Moon or would it be the asteroid? General Bolden. I don't think that either would be better. They both are good. In our particular case since we are operating under a flat budget. The one that is executable in today's budget environment is an asteroid mission. Chairman Smith. If various experts said the Moon, would you heed their advice? General Bolden. We get expert advice all the time, and we try to heed. However, I think you know, Mr. Chairman, it is impossible to heed the advice of all experts. Some expert is going to feel that he or she is being disregarded. I have utmost respect for the National Research Council Committee that looked at us and said---- Chairman Smith. Pretty soon---- General Bolden. --that there was--asteroids. Chairman Smith. --on some subject you are going to have to take the expert's advice, whether it be from Small---- General Bolden. We are taking the advice of experts with this. Chairman Smith. Whether it be from the Small Bodies Advisory Group or for others saying that the lunar mission would be better for the Mars mission. My next question is this. On the James Webb Space Telescope, which is one of our great scientific adventures, there is some concern about technical problems there. I think it is maybe overweight. I think there are two instruments that are running close to a year behind. Do you see us able to meet our deadlines and get the James Webb up in fall, I think, 2017 as expected? General Bolden. Chairman Smith, I would---- Chairman Smith. 2018. General Bolden. Again, I would have to ask for the source of the information. That is in direct contrast to what I get every week in terms of status of James Webb. We are 14 months ahead on the critical path toward flight. Chairman Smith. So you are not---- General Bolden. So for someone to say that we are a year behind with two instruments. We have two instruments that we have been working quite a bit. The vendors have delivered NIRCam and NIRSpect, and if they think they are a year behind, I need to know it. Chairman Smith. Well 11 months behind is what I am told. General Bolden. If they think we are 11 months behind on those two instruments---- Chairman Smith. I keep coming up with all these news breaks. General Bolden. Sir, that is a serious newsbreak because that would be contradictory to what the leadership of Northrup Grumman and NASA's James Webb Space Telescope program are telling the administrator. Chairman Smith. We will---- General Bolden. That is not a---- Chairman Smith. We will get you our---- General Bolden. That is a serious absence of information to me if that is true. Chairman Smith. Okay. We will get you our source on that as well. General Bolden. Yes, sir. I would appreciate that because I promised this Congress that I was responsible for the James Webb Space Telescope. I think you may remember when I stood here and I said no one feels as bad about this as I do. Chairman Smith. The information that I just mentioned, the two instruments being 11 months delayed, was in a GAO report that came out last week. General Bolden. I would have to go back and check with my-- we have carried GAO by the hand through Goddard, through the Johnson Space Center and everywhere. So if GAO is reporting that we have instruments that are 11 months behind---- Chairman Smith. This is GAO, April 2013, two of the instruments, 11 months behind. General Bolden. Mr. Chairman, I will get back to you. Chairman Smith. Okay. General Bolden. That is news to me. Chairman Smith. Okay. Thank you. Last quick question. I want to go back to what the Chairman mentioned about SLS beginning operations by 2017 as hoped. Do you think that is very guaranteed, very likely or probable? General Bolden. I think if this Congress and the Administration are able to solve the sequester problem, 2017 inaugural flight on the integrated SLS on Orion is very good. Nothing is ever a certainty in this business. Barring no accidents, barring a successful flight of Orion next year, we are well on the way to a 2017 inaugural flight of SLS on Orion. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Mr. Bolden. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Palazzo. Thank you, Mr. Smith. I now recognize Mr. Kennedy for five minutes. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. General, thank you very much for being here. I thank the Committee for calling the important hearing. General, just a couple of questions for you. I understand-- shifting gears a little bit from the asteroid mission to something that is near and dear to my district is the STEM education programs that you have at NASA, and I understand from the budget materials that there has been a reorganization and a consolidation of some of those priorities for the Administration, focusing on four priority areas and consolidating programs into three different agencies. So my question to you, sir, is, is there any thought on how this transition is going to--well, you can minimize the disruption to some of these programs that are extraordinarily popular and important to school children as young as kindergarteners. In my district, there is a number of education programs that have been extraordinarily successful. I was at one recently in Sharon. There was about 1,200 students learning about space and STEM training to be an astronaut. One of the high schools, the Tri-County High School in Franklin, was one of only eight highs schools in the country that were selected to participate in United with NASA to create a hardware program last year, a far more interesting science class than I ever took, building robots, trying to come up with ways for astronauts to scramble eggs in space which I am sure is probably something useful to you. So how can we ensure, General, that programs like these that are already highly successful and are inspiring an entirely new generation of engineers don't disappear? General Bolden. Congressman, in answering your question, I need to go back and tell you what I think is successful. When I became the NASA Administrator, I asked for metrics. I am not an engineer, but I play with a lot of them. And so I have learned to have an appreciation for metrics, to demonstrate that something is successful or valuable. When I asked what the metrics were on the effectiveness on our K-12 STEM education program, I got blank stares. I was told that we touch a million kids a year, and I said, okay, I got it. But what effect have we had on those 12 million kids? Did I take one who was not interested in science and have them, when they get to high school, take very difficult science and math courses and go to college and major in engineering? And the answer I got was we don't know. And I said, well, how do we know we are effective? I feel good because I go out and talk to school kids all the time. I feel great. But have I made a difference in their life? And the only way I have to know that is metrics. The President and I happen to share this belief. And so what we are trying to do with the consolidation of the STEM education programs across the 13 or so STEM-related agencies in the government--and I see Congresswoman Edwards is smiling because she and I have talked about this at length. I think she shares my passion for metrics and demonstrating we are effective in what we do. We are not able to demonstrate our effectiveness today. The President is tired of it, and so he has said we are going to try something new. When you try the same thing over and over and the same answer, it is not working. You ought to try something new. NASA is assuming a leadership role, if you will, in helping to craft this new consolidated STEM education program. And I would caution everyone. Nothing is changing right now. We have a long time remaining in this fiscal year, so the programs in existence continue to go. In NASA, programs like MUREP, EPSCoR, Space Grant, all of the critical programs that we uniquely do that reach underrepresented minorities, tribal, colleges and schools, those programs will remain, even in the consolidated program. I don't do very well in being able to measure the effectiveness of my fellowships and scholarships. I am told the National Science Foundation has a pretty good system. So we are going to work with them to help us identify the effectiveness of our fellowships and scholarships. I don't do well at all. I have no metrics for--well, I shouldn't say that. I don't do well with metrics for K-12. I am told the Department of Education has a pretty good idea of how to establish those metrics. That is what we are working on to roll out effective the 2014 budget. So I think the kids that we are taking care of today will be taken care of, and my hope is we will be able to show you that we have an effect, not just tell you that I feel good because I touched a million kids. Mr. Kennedy. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. Okay. As we know, a vote has been called. The Committee will recess subject to the call of the chair which I would like to be about five minutes after the last vote in this series. Without objection, so ordered. The Committee stands in recess. [Recess.] Chairman Palazzo. The Committee will now come to order. I recognize Mr. Brooks for five minutes. Mr. Brooks. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First I want to make a quick comment about your focus on asteroids. Personally I concur. I think that is a good direction to go. At the same time I would add some benefit from the approach that the White House and you are recommending. First, I think it recognizes the risk to our country and our world. While at any point in time it is a small risk, over the accumulation of time it is a significant risk. Second, I think it is another reason why we need the Space Launch System to have the capability of doing whatever needs to be done. So I see it as a hand-in-glove effort. And finally, along those same lines, the technology that is developed as the history of NASA has shown, it is not limited to just one thing. The technology that NASA develops is expansive and is useful in many different ways. Whatever technology we can develop by initiating efforts with respect to asteroids I believe are beneficial. Now to a question about the Space Launch System, as you can imagine. Thank you for coming before our Tennessee Valley Chambers of Commerce that were here on Monday. We had roughly 180 people that came to The Hill, and I was very pleased to see that you were one of the speakers, and thank you for your remarks. Space Launch System continues to receive less than the authorized levels, yet NASA is supporting not one but three different Commercial Crew Programs, and if I am reading the President's proposed budget correctly, he is proposing a 64 percent increase in funding for Commercial Crew above the authorization bill level of $500 million, roughly from $500 million to $800 million, if the information I have is accurate. That being the case, why the big increase for Commercial Crew but not a similar increase for Space Launch System being requested? General Bolden. Mr. Chairman, not Mr. Chairman. I am sorry. Mr. Brooks. That is all right. If Mr. Palazzo doesn't mind, I don't mind. General Bolden. Congressman, let me talk precise, exact numbers. If we took what we are requesting in the increase for Commercial Crew, which is from $525 million to $822 million, so $300 million. If I added $300 million to the SLS program, you wouldn't know it. Mr. Brooks. Well, I was thinking more of the 64 percent figure. General Bolden. But that is my point, sir, is that it depends on the numbers you use, and if you choose to use percentages, then percentage of a number like $500 million may seem very big. It is not big at all. We are trying to get close to the level that the President asked for when he decided to fund the Commercial Crew Program, which had not been done by any previous administration to be quite candid. We have asked for, and I think Bill Gerstenmaier, the head of the Human Exploration Operations Mission Directorate, has stated over and over that this is the amount of money that we need to deliver SLS on the date and time that we said, 2017 for the inaugural mission, integrated with Orion, 2021 now for the asteroid mission perhaps. And I don't need more money than that. If you give me money to put against SLS, against the vehicle, it means I can't put some money that I would ordinarily put against Advanced Booster Program. Mr. Brooks. Given our funding limitations, do you have a concern that there may be some duplication of effort, particularly inasmuch as we are funding three different private sector contractors in the Commercial Crew environment? Do you suggest keeping it at three or reducing it to two or reducing it to one? General Bolden. Congressman, our acquisition strategy, which we spelled out pretty well several years ago and we had to modify because we didn't get the money requested, was that we would try to promote competition for as long as we could and that at some point, which will be this summer, this spring, we are going to issue a draft request for proposal. The vendors will have an opportunity to look at that, tell us what they think. We will issue a final request for proposal in the fall, and by next spring we hope to be able to announce who the Commercial Crew provider is going to be. My hope is that Congress will fully fund us to the $822 million level, and that may allow me to carry one and a half. It will not allow us to carry three vendors. If we go down to one, if I am forced to go down to one provider at any time, there is no competition, and it is exactly as I am. It will be exactly as I am today with the Russians and--there is no competition. It went from---- Mr. Brooks. I am running out of time, and if the Chairman would permit, I will follow up with one final question. Hopefully it will be a brief answer because it will be a brief question. The word commercial has always been puzzling to me because I am not very familiar with a commercial or private-sector market for Commercial Crew. Do you envision that Commercial Crew is in fact going to have as its primary if not sole customer the United States Government? General Bolden. I do not anticipate that. I believe industry when they say--when Boeing and Boeing's Board of Directors commit to a program as they have done with the Commercial Crew Program, they are betting on the---- Mr. Brooks. Well, if you have any studies that suggest that there truly is a private market out there for ``Commercial Crew,'' if you could share it with me, I would very much appreciate it. General Bolden. I will make an effort to get some of the commercial companies to release what they provided to their Boards of Directors. I will try. Mr. Brooks. Thank you, sir. Chairman Palazzo. I now recognize Ms. Wilson for five minutes. Ms. Wilson. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon. General Bolden. Good afternoon. How are you doing? Ms. Wilson. It is my understanding that Congressman Kennedy mentioned STEM, and I would just like to follow up because I am concerned about potential funding shortfalls with regard to STEM. As you know, training a STEM workforce is essential to our economic competitiveness, and NASA's education programs, both within its mission directorate such as science and aeronautics, are as well as within its Office of Education, have taken a significant hit in the Fiscal Year 2014 budget proposal. It is a decrease of about 46 percent from Fiscal Year 2012. Who made the decision on what education activities are proposed to be cut? Was the interagency Committee on STEM involved? And what was OMB's role? General Bolden. Congresswoman, I can't tell you what OMB's role was, but I can tell you what I did. I have been intimately involved in the decisions within NASA on STEM education because I think most people will tell you no one is as passionate about STEM education as am I. Our decision was, after we listened to the proposal that came from the President, that he wanted--as I said a little bit earlier, he wanted to find a way to make the programs effective, that we would be able to measure the effect of the STEM education programs. We decided that we would go along with that effort. We had already been part of the way down with CoSTEM that you mentioned. Their report I think is supposed to come out this summer, and we will integrate the work of CoSTEM, two years. worth, into the consolidation effort that is ongoing right now. So I can tell you what we did. We participated in the decisions. I think what they did was across the board. It was decided to take all educational outreach funds from the agencies, the STEM agencies, to consolidate them, rather than try to cherry pick, I think we took everything, except some special ones that I mentioned earlier that go to underserved minorities, like MURAP, EPSCoR and then Space Grant, which covers everybody. Ms. Wilson. Just a follow-up. What resources would the Smithsonian, Department of Education and the NSF have as a part of the 2014 budget request to support infrastructure, to work across government and to implement the proposed consolidation? How would that infrastructure compare to the proven structure that NASA has developed over time which is supported through competitive selection and peer review to implement---- General Bolden. Yes. Ms. Wilson. --STEM education and outreach, especially within the Science Mission Directorate? How will you do that with a 46 percent cut? General Bolden. My agency is really good. We are the best place to work in government, and I don't mean that pejoratively or anything. What will happen with the consolidation is that what I can do every day, bringing downlink TV from aboard the International Space Station, taking it into a classroom, every one of the STEM-related agencies will now have access to NASA content. So that is one of the things we are giving. We will be allowing everybody else to have access to the content that we have. What it will give us, what we will gain, will be access to the Department of Education, to the National Science Foundation and even to the Smithsonian in some of their metrics and some of their methods for promoting and reaching people with STEM education. I think there is value on both sides. Everybody gives but everybody gets something if we do it right. Ms. Wilson. One follow-up. Who is going to oversee this? Who will oversee it? What segment of government? General Bolden. The program is actually going to---- Ms. Wilson. Department of Education---- General Bolden. The program is actually presently being overseen by the Executive Office of the President. The President is the one that all of us are responding to in this. I am overseeing with Leland Melvin as my emissary, if you will, what we are doing in NASA. And every other principal is quite well aware of what is going on and is taking part, and we have all had an opportunity to express our opinion about how things should be done. Examples would be one of the things we proposed was take the people from each agency, each STEM agency, who are good at what they do and put them in a pool so that when the Department of Education or the National Science Foundation or Smithsonian starts looking to build a cadre of people that are going to be the overseers if you will, that we take people who have experience with this. And I expressed the desire and a willingness to offer NASA people anytime anybody wants to take them so that we make sure the program is done correctly. Ms. Wilson. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. I now recognize Mr. Stewart for five minutes. Mr. Stewart. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. General, good to see you again. General Bolden. Always good to see you. Mr. Stewart. It has been a pleasure being on this Committee and having a chance to get to know you a little bit. I would like to be big picture if we could for a while, and I certainly don't mean to beat a dead horse, and I don't think that we will. But help me if you could bring some clarity to I think some fundamental visions or goals of your organization, and that is with the Asteroid Retrieval Mission. What is the main objective or goal that you have there? And if I can maybe rephrase the question, help me understand why that was placed as a priority over other possibilities, say for example a manned Moon mission? General Bolden. Congressman Stewart, I would not say the asteroid mission replaces anything. We did not have a lunar mission in our portfolio. We had a $17.7 billion budget with a notional, you know, five-year out that would not accommodate a lunar mission. I think it is in the record that if we went back and tried to replicate the lunar program that was in place under constellation, I have asked and I am told that Altair, the lander, is in the $8- to $10- billion range. I don't have $8 to $10 billion to put into a lander for a lunar program. We already had solar electric propulsion underway in our Space Technology Mission Directorate. We have had that for years. We think we can accelerate it with the funds that are coming, $40 million of the funds that are coming out the 105. Human exploration has been working for no less than three years on an asteroid-type mission. So we are levering what we have been doing for years. As Congressman Brooks mentioned, SLS and MPCV were made for the human exploration part of an asteroid mission. It gives us an opportunity to demonstrate that vehicle and its capability, Orion's capability to go beyond the Moon to deep space long before we have to make an 8-month mission to Mars and hoping that our people will survive in that. Mr. Stewart. Well, and I think actually, General, you bring up my point, and this is actually my primary question. If your ultimate objective is to go to Mars and knowing that there are building blocks that are required to do that, technological building blocks along the way that you have to accomplish in order to do that, does a lunar mission or the asteroid retrieval, does either of those give you a more significant foundation to build on, if that is your objective? General Bolden. You asked the question a little bit differently than was asked earlier, and I thought about it. The Chairman told me to think about it again and come out and say forget about the asteroid mission. I am not ready to do that yet. There is a decided advantage in an asteroid retrieval mission on the road to Mars. Solar electric propulsion is something we have got to have for deep space exploration. People have heard us say we are looking for game-changing propulsion. Solar electric propulsion has been around for a while but not the way we want to use it. There are varieties-- you know, solar electric propulsion is a big name for a lot of different things you can do, hall thrusters, ion thrusters, VASIMR. That is one thing. Life support systems in the Orion module, I don't need to change the--I can take the existing system in the first Orion and go to the Moon. So there is no technological advantage here. If I want to push technology, I want to go to deep space. I want to go somewhere where it is really, really, really challenging, and if we don't get it right, we are going to lose people. Mr. Stewart. I appreciate that. General Bolden. And let me tell you---- Mr. Stewart. Then if I could in the minute or so that I have left, you have given some great examples of technologies which are developed with this mission. Are there any technologies that we sacrifice or that we would develop with another lunar mission that would not be developed in---- General Bolden. It is not a matter of sacrificing technologies. It is a matter of requiring no new technology. We must remember, this is the greatest Nation in the world in terms of exploration of the universe. We have been to the Moon six times. We know how to do that. Now, Dr. Gilruth, who most of you don't know, once said at the end of the Apollo program people will realize how difficult it was to go to the Moon when we try to return. So just because we went once doesn't mean it is going to be easy the next time. I don't need any new technology to go to the Moon. I need money to go to the Moon. It is expensive to go into a gravity well of the lunar surface. I need new technologies to go to an asteroid in deep space or in a stable orbit rendezvous point around the Moon. And we have already started investing in that technology, and the minimal amounts of money--somebody asked why are we putting more money into technology development? Because we need it to fill the gaps. We have a technological roadmap that was certified by the National Research Council. This is not an overnight thing. We didn't just think of this. You know, I have to correct Members of the Committee who have said several times it seems like we just thought this up. NASA has been working on this for decades. The President focused us like a laser when he stood up at the Kennedy Space Center. And people don't relate it, and I am not trying to relate it to John Kennedy, but there were people who thought the President lost his mind when he stood in Rice University campus and said within this decade we are sending humans to the Moon and bringing them safely back. Gene Kranz who is a role model of mine and a flight director from-- he is Mr. Failure-is-not-an-Option. He said he went home. He said he thought the President had lost his mind. He woke up the next morning and he said no, that is not the case. The President trusts us, and he thinks we can do this. To have the President of the United States go to Florida and say NASA is going to send somebody to an asteroid in 2025 and to Mars in 2030, I couldn't be more proud. Mr. Stewart. And my time is up. Thank you, General. I appreciate it. Mr. Chairman? Chairman Palazzo. I now recognize Ms. Bonamici for five minutes. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, General Bolden, for returning and for your service to our Nation. In a previous hearing in this Committee I pointed out some of the work that NASA does that affects Oregon's first district in several important ways from education opportunities, through the Space Grant program, to whale monitoring activities through NASA's National Ocean Partnership. And I wanted to ask you about the weather and climate monitoring. The marine economy in Oregon is very important to the coastal areas, and they rely on the data provided by NOAA and NASA. And in this NASA budget, I see that the Joint Polar Satellite System two climate sensors are being transferred from NOAA to NASA. But there doesn't appear to be an accompanying increase in NASA's Earth Science budget. So I wanted to ask you if you could please elaborate on how NASA is going to carry out this new responsibility. What are the criteria for having NASA assume responsibility because we want to ensure that there are long-term measurements and observations that are sustained. General Bolden. Congresswoman, I will take it for the record to get the exact amount, but I think we did get a modicum of funding that came with the climate sensors. But I will take that for the record. But I will say just as we did with the DSCOVR mission and others, we asked. We actually came to the House Appropriations Committee and said look, we would like to take this on because we think this is very important. In the case of DSCOVR, we have instruments that have already been built. They are already installed on the satellite. It makes no sense to us to take them off and put NASA's simulators on. And Chairman Wu said, look. I don't want to do that, but give it your best shot. You know, send me a proposal, and tell me what you are going to do. And we demonstrated to him how doing it a different way we could bring it in at a much less cost than it had originally been proposed. And that is what we have become accustomed to doing. Somebody mentioned earlier the fact that many of our missions have come in on budget or under budget and on schedule recently, and it was attributed to an increase in budget. That is not the case. I attribute it to the incredible people I have who are working for NASA who now have had a change of culture, if you will. They understand that we are not going to get any more money. And so they are looking for innovative ways to do things. We knew we couldn't get enough money for a classic asteroid mission, you know. That would be great if we could put humans on a big rocket and send them to an asteroid between Mars and Jupiter. Our budget is not going to allow that. Never, ever. I doubt it, unless we really do something big and you all decide to be generous. So we had to innovate, and we came up with the concept that is now the hallmark of an asteroid retrieval mission. So that is the way we do things. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you. I had a great conversation with members of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. They were in town to talk about research funding which is of course very important. We talked about the biological and physical science research that is done at the Space Station. As you know, there has been a lot of research in space that affects medical care here, and I wondered, because of the potential for key medical advancements, is it surprising that what seems like a relatively small amount of the funding for ISS goes to research functions. So will you elaborate on that a bit? General Bolden. I think we have priced it about right, the amount of money that we put in our human research program, and I think what you are looking at is HRP that is dedicated to astronaut health and safety. What is not seen in that number is the amount of money that goes into human research. For example, the National Institutes of Health has a grant program in the millions of dollars, and the grantees do work on the International Space Station. One stipulation, can't have anything to do with astronauts. It has got to impact life here on Earth. Now, if it happens to help astronauts, great. But we don't count that kind of money that is being spent. CASIS, which is now the non-governmental organization that is responsible for going out and recruiting, selecting and then overseeing science experiments flown in the American segment of the International Space Station. Our utilization of the Space Station is up. The number of experiments that astronauts are able to do now that construction is over is up. It is a dynamic laboratory, better than anything everybody has ever seen before. Ms. Bonamici. Terrific. I will see if I can get one more question in. I understand that there is some work being done to develop a prototype exploration suit for use on board the ISS, and I wondered, is that a repurposing of the current, I guess it is the EMU that is used---- General Bolden. EMU? Ms. Bonamici. --or is it going to be replaced and will there be a competitive process for that? General Bolden. My understanding is it will replace the EMU. It is a suit that is made to operate in a less than 1G environment of Mars. Looks like Buzz Lightyear, the one I have seen. You know, it is much less cumbersome, much less hard on the shoulder joints, for example, where we actually have had injuries with astronauts in the current EMU. So it is a new development. Ms. Bonamici. Did you have a competitive process for that? General Bolden. It was chosen, it will be chosen, through a competitive process, yes. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you. Thank you very much. My time is expired. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. General Bolden. I am sorry. Ms. Bonamici. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. I now recognize Mr. Posey for five minutes. Mr. Posey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the general for joining us again. I have said it before and I will say it again, of all the agency heads that I have had the privilege to sit in, you have been the one that has been the most forthcoming and straight talking, and I appreciate that. Thank you. I don't want to get redundant. I just want to get these things in a proper perspective, just kind of for my memory bank here. The Keck study suggested that an asteroid mission would cost $2.6 billion, and I understand NASA disagrees with that number. And I was just wondering how much NASA thinks it will cost to retrieve and return an asteroid or move it, whatever the goal ends up being? General Bolden. Congressman Posey, I will correct you and say we don't disagree with the Keck number. However, our mission, as we envision it, is different from what the Keck number on which it was based. Keck, very respected group of scientists who studied this, they did not have an SLS or an MPCV. They did not have a head start on solar electric propulsion. They assume that we were going to use a big rocket and go between, I think, between Mars and Jupiter into the asteroid belt to put humans with an asteroid. And so I think that is where the $2.6 billion came from. I have been cautioned by many, and so I will take their advice and not try to give you a number right now. We are going into mission formulation this summer. After we talk with our international partners, with academia, with amateurs to be quite honest, to find out what this mission should have in it, and then we will come back with a more definitive number on what we think it is going to cost. But my guess would be for a similar mission that Keck had, it will be something less than their estimate. Mr. Posey. Well, that is something because certainly when you talk to people about appropriations, they want to know what is at the end of the line. You know, if it costs this much to go to an asteroid or twice as much as going to the Moon, I mean, that makes sense and you can understand that. How would you compare the cost of the Administration's lasso mission with a return to the Moon? General Bolden. If I can use the example of the Keck study, and I am not adopting that but it is an example. An example is Keck said $2.6 billion to carry out their type of asteroid mission which we think is more expensive than ours. The numbers quoted to me for Altair, for the lander, for a human lunar exhibition or landing, $8 to $10 billion. So going back to the Moon, if we use the numbers quoted for Altair which came from NASA in the Constellation program, and we use, we accept the numbers from Keck, then going to the Moon is almost a factor of three more expensive. And our budget won't sustain that, won't accommodate that. Mr. Posey. Yeah, and I heard that number when Congressman Stewart and you were having dialogue. Now, what is that number based on? General Bolden. The Keck number or the Altair number? Mr. Posey. The return to the Moon number. General Bolden. Return to the Moon? It is the number that I have been--I wasn't around, so I can't tell you. But I was quoted $8 to $10 billion for the lunar lander that was planned for the Constellation program. And one of the reasons that it never materialized was because NASA at the time did not have the funding. Mr. Posey. Yeah. Can you get us a copy of that, just that document just so we will have it? General Bolden. We can do that. Mr. Posey. Because I hadn't seen it before. General Bolden. We will do it. Mr. Posey. You know, could the hardware obviously that is being developed such as the SLS be used for both missions? I mean, wouldn't we use the same rocket to go to the asteroid that we would to the Moon? General Bolden. If we are going anywhere in deep space, and I will stipulate that we can call the Moon deep space, but we don't consider the Moon deep space anymore. But you could use SLS to go to the Moon. You will use SLS to go to an asteroid, to Mars and the like. Mr. Posey. Okay. The next thing of course I was going to ask if there is anything salvageable from the $9 billion Constellation mission to nowhere. General Bolden. We are using Orion quite effectively. We have gotten its cost down, its weight down and it is on schedule to fly in 2014. Mr. Posey. Okay. Because I think that might offset some costs if we got some stuff in the ground or---- General Bolden. And to be fair, we flew Ares 1-X which was a part of the Constellation program. That was the last thing we did in the Constellation program. Ares 1-X was the most heavily instrumented rocket to ever go in space, and the data that we collected from Ares 1-X is now available to every rocket manufacturer in the country plus any rocket manufacturer that is cleared to receive ITAR related data I think. Mr. Posey. When Kennedy set the goal of going to the Moon within a decade, he literally inspired a Nation. You might have known a skeptic, but you know, as a teenager, it inspired me and my entire generation. When we heard the idea of going to an asteroid and maybe doing two space walks on asteroids, all I heard was crickets. So you know, what do you think the difference---- General Bolden. What is the difference? Mr. Posey. Yeah. General Bolden. We are not at war. I was not marching in the streets of Columbia, South Carolina, as we were when President Kennedy announced we were going to the Moon. We were in the midst of the Civil Rights Era. You know, there was hatred being spewed all over the streets of the United States. We were at war in another country, and we were racing the Russians, the Soviets back then. We are not racing the Soviets. We have no--hopefully we will not have an enemy like we had then. Hopefully we will not go back into the streets in racial discord again, although I can't guarantee that sometimes. And definitely, you know, this Nation will be very cautious before it enters into another war like Vietnam or some others that people could cite. Significant difference in time and conditions. Mr. Posey. Thank you. I see my time has expired. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. I now recognize Ms. Brownley for five minutes. Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, General Bolden, for your courageous service to our country. I really do appreciate it very much. I have some questions about the budget request for construction and environmental compliance and restoration, specifically I am very interested in the budget request for cleanup of the Santa Susana Field Lab. This has been affecting my district for decades. NASA's original Fiscal Year 2013 request included $5.5 million for the Santa Susana Field Laboratory cleanup, and I understand that the Administration has not yet released its Fiscal Year 2013 spending plan and that the appropriations law enacted March 26 gives NASA 45 days to do so. So a couple of questions here. Will NASA allocate the $15.5 million request in 2013 to the Santa Susana Field Lab cleanup and what activities does NASA intend to complete with those funds? And then further, will NASA's 2014 request of $20.6 million for the cleanup keep the project on schedule for completion by 2017? And what activities does NASA expect to complete with the 2014 year funds? And if Congress does not provide NASA with the full amount requested for 2014, how would the impact of NASA's ability to stay on track for cleanup completion in 2013? General Bolden. Congresswoman, you know, I am as dedicated as anyone to making sure that this planet is as good as it can be and that life here is good. As far as I know, and I will get back to you for the record, we have not made any proposal for a change in the funding dedicated to Santa Susana. The last time I talked to the folk in the office responsible for that we were on target for completion of the cleanup by 2017, and that is what we intend to do. Ms. Brownley. Thank you very much. General Bolden. Yes. Ms. Brownley. I would love it if at any time you were available to come visit the site and see it for yourself. General Bolden. I would be glad to come. Ms. Brownley. Thank you. Chairman Palazzo. I want to thank the Administrator for his valuable testimony and the Members for their questions. The Members of the Committee may have additional questions. It has already been expressed to me that they will, so we will ask you to respond to those in writing. The record will remain open for two weeks for additional comments and written questions from Members. The witness is excused, and this hearing is adjourned. Thank you. [Whereupon, at 3:52 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.] Appendix I ---------- Answers to Post-Hearing Questions Answers to Post-Hearing Questions Responses by Hon. Charles F. 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I want to welcome NASA Administrator Bolden back to the Committee, and I look forward to his testimony regarding NASA's Fiscal Year 2014 budget request. As you know, last week, the full Science, Space, and Technology Committee heard from Dr. John Holdren, the President's Science Advisor and Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. He described the President's budget request for R&D as one that recognizes the ``profound importance of continued progress in science and technology even as we work to reduce budget deficits and hold the line on government spending.'' I could not agree more. A commitment to deficit reduction should not negate the need to invest in our future. And I consider NASA and its programs to be one of the most strategic of the investments we can make as a nation. Not only is NASA an engine of innovation for America, but it has an additional feature that sets it apart from much of the rest of the federal R&D enterprise--namely, its ability to inspire. That quality of inspiration not only sets NASA apart, but it has also helped to make NASA one of the most positive symbols of our nation, recognizable throughout the world. We need that inspiration, now more than ever, as we seek to encourage our young people to pursue careers in science and engineering. Because it is that inspiration that breathes life into STEM education initiatives and helps the STEM curricula motivate a diverse cross-section of our youth, including those who have traditionally been under-represented in the STEM fields. That is one of the reasons I told Dr. Holdren that I need to know more about the Administration's proposed reorganization of federal STEM programs before I can make an informed assessment of the proposed changes. NASA's STEM initiatives and educational outreach, particularly through its science missions, have long been able to excite our young people, and I don't want to lose that excitement. Ultimately, though, it is the challenging work that NASA undertakes that makes it such a crown jewel of our nation's R&D enterprise. Yet, as a recent report by the National Academies makes clear, ``NASA cannot execute a robust, balanced aeronautics and space program given the current budget constraints.'' That finding should not be a surprise to anyone who has been on this Committee for more than a few years. We-- successive Administrations and Congresses alike--have asked NASA to carry out many important tasks, but too often we have allowed short- term fiscal pressures to overrule the strategic imperative to invest in NASA at levels that are commensurate with those tasks. I hope as we prepare to reauthorize NASA this year, that we see investing in NASA not as a discretionary luxury, but rather as what it is--a critical investment in the future well-being of this nation and a beacon of inspiration for the generation that will be coming along to create the jobs of the future, explore the unknown, and improve the quality of life back here on Earth. Submitted letter by the Planetary Society [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.094 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.095 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.096 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 80562.097