[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] AN OVERVIEW OF THE NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2014 ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON RESEARCH COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ WEDNESDAY, APRIL 17, 2013 __________ Serial No. 113-20 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available via the World Wide Web: http://science.house.gov _____ U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 80-559 PDF WASHINGTON : 2013 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; DC area (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY HON. LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas, Chair DANA ROHRABACHER, California EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas RALPH M. HALL, Texas ZOE LOFGREN, California F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois Wisconsin DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas SUZANNE BONAMICI, Oregon MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Texas ERIC SWALWELL, California PAUL C. BROUN, Georgia DAN MAFFEI, New York STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi ALAN GRAYSON, Florida MO BROOKS, Alabama JOSEPH KENNEDY III, Massachusetts RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois SCOTT PETERS, California LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana DEREK KILMER, Washington STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas AMI BERA, California BILL POSEY, Florida ELIZABETH ESTY, Connecticut CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming MARC VEASEY, Texas DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona JULIA BROWNLEY, California THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky MARK TAKANO, California KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota ROBIN KELLY, Illinois JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma RANDY WEBER, Texas CHRIS STEWART, Utah VACANCY ------ Subcommittee on Research HON. LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana, Chair STEVEN M. PALAZZO, Mississippi DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois MO BROOKS, Alabama ZOE LOFGREN, California STEVE STOCKMAN, Texas AMI BERA, California CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming ELIZABETH ESTY, Connecticut JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas C O N T E N T S Wednesday, April 17, 2013 Page Witness List..................................................... 2 Hearing Charter.................................................. 3 Opening Statements Statement by Representative Larry Bucshon, Chairman, Subcommittee on Research, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives....................................... 6 Written Statement............................................ 7 Statement by Representative Daniel Lipinski, Ranking Minority Member, Subcommittee on Research, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.................. 8 Written Statement............................................ 10 Statement by Representative Lamar Smith, Chairman, Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, U.S. House of Representatives.. 11 Written Statement............................................ 12 Witnesses: The Honorable Cora Marrett, Acting Director, National Science Foundation Oral Statement............................................... 13 Written Statement............................................ 15 The Honorable Dan Arvizu, Chairman, National Science Board Oral Statement............................................... 24 Written Statement............................................ 26 Discussion....................................................... 36 Appendix I: Answers to Post-Hearing Questions The Honorable Cora Marrett, Acting Director, National Science Foundation..................................................... 52 The Honorable Dan Arvizu, Chairman, National Science Board....... 62 Appendix II: Additional Material for the Record National Science Foundation...................................... 68 AN OVERVIEW OF THE NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2014 ---------- WEDNESDAY, APRIL 17, 2013 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Research Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 2:25 p.m., in Room 2318 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Larry Bucshon [Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding. [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Good afternoon. Welcome to today's hearing entitled, ``An Overview of the National Science Foundation Budget for Fiscal Year 2014.'' In front of you are packets containing the written testimony, biographies, and truth in testimony disclosures for today's witnesses. I now recognize myself for five minutes for an opening statement. Thank you to everyone here today for this Research Subcommittee hearing. I am pleased to welcome Acting Director, Dr. Marrett, and President Arvizu to discuss NSF's priorities for Fiscal Year 2014. Thank you both for coming. Before we begin today's hearing, I would like to make a few comments about the recent budget proposed by the President for 2014. Today our national debt stands at almost $17 trillion, and 62 cents of every dollar is spent on our mandatory spending or entitlement programs, and everyone pretty much agrees that these are the largest drivers of our debt. Since 2008, approximately 19 cents of every dollar has been spent on Medicare and Medicaid, and four years later we are currently spending 23 cents of every dollar on these programs. Without reform this trend will continue. Before my time in Congress, as a cardio thoracic surgeon in Evansville, Indiana, I saw firsthand how these spiraling costs were crowding out funding for other federally-funded programs like scientific research and development. Instead of, in my view, showing leadership, the President has spent his time in office defending a healthcare law that makes matters even worse. The Administration has not offered a pathway forward on our mandatory spending programs other than continually cutting the funding for provider reimbursement to hospitals and practitioners, risking access to quality healthcare for our Nation's seniors. At this point I don't see any evidence the Affordable Care Act will lower medical costs in the future. Instead it continues to irresponsibly add to our yearly deficit and total national debt in spite of the rhetoric to the contrary. Unfortunately, the proposed Fiscal Year budget from the Administration has a lot of accounting gimmicks. Because of the Administration's failed leadership and failed economic policies, we are left with non-targeted cuts in sequestration and ongoing record deficits and debt. Washington's inability to address these fiscal issues is hampering the ability of our economy to recover from recession. Hardworking Americans who stand to benefit from the research and technology our country develops may be the victims. House Republicans have tried to address these issues by passing responsible budgets for the last three years, however, we have not--we don't control Washington, D.C. The other budgets offered from our friends on the other side have included higher taxes, more spending, and more importantly for this discussion, don't begin to address the significant drivers of our debt, and that is our mandatory programs. In addition, the budgets that have been proposed never balance. I stress in my view if we do not address our mandatory spending programs, funding for all other Federal programs will continue to feel the financial pinch. Imagine the high-paying jobs that will result when today's basic science discoveries turn into tomorrow's marketable technologies. Tomorrow's prosperity depends on what we do here today. And back to our present situation and the current year budget for the National Science Foundation. We must now focus on answering what is the appropriate role of the Federal Government in funding science research. I believe by asking this and related questions we can create a stronger, more efficient National Science Foundation--nimble enough to tackle the numerous scientific challenges of tomorrow. As a Nation we must focus our scientific priorities and stretch every dollar for maximum benefit in these tight financial times. As an example, do we need to fund studies such as the International Criminal Court in Pursuit of Justice, $260,000 funded through NSF? I think that is a good discussion to have. These can be luxury things to fund. It would be nice to fund if we have the money, but it is not something in my view that we need to fund. This type of research may be more appropriately funded through the private sector or other government agencies. Our charge is to ensure the American taxpayer is getting value for their hard-earned dollars that we spend on research through NSF. I strongly support NSF funding in mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, cyber security, and STEM education, among others. Although the scientific community is not facing ideal fiscal environments, I still believe that America's best and brightest scientists will continue to persevere and produce the innovations and discoveries of tomorrow. We should support the hardworking scientist who stays up all night to repeat their experiments and doggedly pursues their ideas because they believe they are onto the next great discovery and may answer the next big question in their chosen field. I recently visited several universities and colleges in Indiana, including Purdue University and Indiana University, and talked to NSF-funded researchers, and I was impressed. I still have a great faith and optimism in the scientific community and that its strength will continue and improve. But for American science to succeed we must be sure that the NSF remains focused on its scientific goals and missions. I look forward to the thoughtful discussion that will ensue. At this point I would also like to thank Ranking Member Lipinski and everyone participating in today's hearing. [The prepared statement of Mr. Bucshon follows:] Prepared Statement of Subcommittee on Research Chairman Larry Bucshon Good afternoon and thank you to everyone here for today's Research subcommittee hearing. I am pleased to welcome Acting Director Dr. Marrett and President Dr. Arvizu to discuss NSF's priorities for fiscal year 2014. Thank you both for coming. Before we begin today's hearing, I would like to make a few comments about the President's proposed FY 2014 budget. Today, our national debt stands at almost $17 trillion dollars. 62 cents of every dollar is spent on our entitlement programs and everyone agrees these are the largest drivers of our debt. Before President Obama took office, approximately 19 cents of every dollar was spent on Medicare and Medicaid. Four years later, this has risen to 23 cents of every dollar. Without reform this trend will continue. Before my time in Congress, as a cardio thoracic surgeon in Evansville, Indiana, I saw first-hand how these spiraling costs were crowding out funding for other federally funded programs, like scientific research and development. Instead of showing leadership, the President has spent his time in office defending a health care law which makes matters worse. The Administration has offered no path forward on Medicare and Medicaid other than cutting funding for provider reimbursement, risking access to quality healthcare for our nation's senior citizens. I don't see any evidence that Obama-care will lower medical costs in the future; instead it irresponsibly adds to our yearly deficit and total national debt in spite of the misguided rhetoric to the contrary from the Administration. Unfortunately, the President's proposed Fiscal Year 2014 budget boils down to accounting gimmicks. Because of this administration's failed leadership and failed economic policies, we are left with the non-targeted cuts in sequestration and ongoing record deficits and debt. Washington's inability to address these fiscal issues is hampering the ability of our economy to recover from the recession. Hardworking Americans who stand to benefit from the research and technology our country develops will be the victims. House Republicans have tried to address these issues by passing responsible budgets for the past three years. However, we don't control Washington. Our friends on the other side of the aisle have offered up budgets with higher taxes and more spending, that does not address significant entitlement reform, but also never balances. I stress, if we do not address our mandatory spending programs, funding for all other federal government programs will continue to feel the financial pinch. Imagine the high-paying jobs that will result when today's basic scientific discoveries turn into tomorrow's marketable technologies. Tomorrow's prosperity depends on what we do today. Back to our present situation, and the current year budget for the NSF. We must now focus on answering, ``what is the appropriate role of the Federal government in funding science research?'' I believe by asking this and related questions, we can create a stronger, more efficient NSF, nimble enough to tackle the numerous scientific challenges of tomorrow. As a nation, we must focus on our scientific priorities and stretch every dollar for maximum benefit. As an example, do we really need a study entitled ``The International Criminal Court and the Pursuit of Justice'' that was funded for $260,000 by the NSF? I think it's a nice luxury to have people study this topic. But it's not something that we need NSF to fund. This type of research is more appropriately funded by private entities or other government agencies. Our charge is to ensure the American taxpayer is getting value for their hard earned dollars that we spend on research through the NSF. I strongly support NSF funding in mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, cyber security, and STEM education. Although the scientific community is not facing an ideal fiscal environment, I still believe that America's best and brightest scientists will continue to persevere and produce the innovations and discoveries of tomorrow. We should support the hard-working scientist who stays up all night to repeat her experiments and doggedly pursues her ideas, because she believes she is onto a great discovery and will answer the big questions in her field. After visiting several universities and colleges in Indiana earlier this month, my faith and optimism in the scientific community is stronger than ever. But for American science to succeed, we must make sure that the NSF remains focused on its scientific goals and missions. I look forward to the thoughtful discussion that will ensue. I would also like to thank Ranking Member Lipinski and everyone participating in today's hearing. Chairman Bucshon. With that I now recognize the Ranking Member, the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Lipinski, for an opening statement. Mr. Lipinski. Thank you, Chairman Bucshon, for holding this hearing, and I want to welcome Dr. Marrett and Dr. Arvizu. Let me begin by saying that I understand that America faces a serious debt threat. If we don't do anything to reign in our long-term debt our economic future will be imperiled. Solving this problem requires some budget cuts, but I hope that going forward we can make these cuts in a smart way that addresses the various near-term and long-term challenges that our Nation faces. In doing this we will have to set priorities. Sometimes when you set priorities, this will mean cutting spending, and sometimes it may mean increasing investments in areas that deliver real returns for taxpayers by improving our quality of life, protecting our population from natural and manmade threats, and ensuring our economic competitiveness. Therefore, I am pleased that the Administration's Fiscal Year 2014 budget request continues to emphasize science, innovation, and STEM education generally and the National Science Foundation in particular. Even though NSF has fared well in recent appropriations bills, continued uncertainty over funding levels has hurt scientific progress. The agencies and universities can't plan. Some of the best and brightest give up and leave their labs, and the younger generation sees what their mentors are up against and choose a different path altogether. Our own Committee will have the opportunity to weigh in on budget and programmatic priorities across the agency as we consider an NSF Reauthorization Bill sometime in the next several weeks. So I appreciate this opportunity to learn more about the nature and scope of research and STEM education activities proposed in the budget. Let me just comment on a few of the priorities described in the budget. First, you will not be surprised that I am excited to see the proposed increase in the I-Corps Program. As I have said many times now, I strongly believe that this program embodies the NSF's original mission of both promoting the progress of science and advancing the national prosperity. Although it is only a fraction of a percent of NSF's budget, early results support my long-held belief that I-Corps will yield exponential benefits, helping turn NSF's research investments into new companies and jobs for the benefit of all Americans. Last summer I hosted a field hearing in Chicago to learn more about this program and its early successes. For my new colleagues who haven't looked at this program in depth, it is important to note that this program educates scientists on how to develop viable commercial products from their research. It connects them with like-mind venture capitalists and entrepreneurs. The final decisions on whether or not to commercialize research still rests with the scientists in question, and of course, with the private sector which would fund the ideas. Already we are seeing results with I-Corps graduates such as Neon receiving venture capital funding for a product developed through the program. This public-private partnership is in the best tradition of U.S. science policy, and I look forward to working with the NSF as this program develops. Second, I am pleased with the continued emphasis on Advanced Manufacturing at NSF and several other agencies. We must regrow our American manufacturing base and we will not do it with the technologies and processes of yesterday. But the small and medium-sized industries that comprise a significant portion of our manufacturing capacity can't do it all on their own, and they certainly don't have the resources or capacity to invest in most far-reaching R&D. NSF plays a critical role in funding basic research with potential application to advanced manufacturing technologies and processes of the future. There are many other interesting proposals in this budget request, including the increased focus on big data, the expansion of the INSPIRE Program to support interdisciplinary research and NSF's plan to begin to implement the OSTP Policy Memorandum on public access to the results of federally-funded research. It is also good to see that all the current MREFC projects are on track, and NSF is moving ahead with the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope. I will wrap up with a few comments and questions about the agency's proposals for consolidating many of its STEM education programs, both within the agency and as part of the Administration's federal-wide STEM reorganization. Mostly I would like to hear more details about all of these proposals because some of them seem to still be rough sketches. For example, with respect to the consolidated National Graduate Research Fellowship Program, I have no doubt that NSF's own graduate research fellowships will continue without disruption, but I wonder how NSF will work with the mission agencies to ensure that their mission-specific needs are being met through this new consolidated national program administered by NSF. I would also like to understand better what is being proposed for graduate traineeships and what is new about the consolidated undergraduate program or if it is mostly a repackaging of existing programs. I suspect many of my colleagues will have STEM questions for you today also. With that I want to thank, again, Dr. Marrett and Dr. Arvizu, for being here today. I look forward to your testimony and our discussion. With that I will yield back. [The prepared statement of Mr. Lipinski follows:] Prepared Statement of Ranking Minority Member Daniel Lipinski Thank you Chairman Bucshon for holding this hearing and welcome Dr. Marrett and Dr. Arvizu. Let me begin by saying that I understand that America faces a serious debt threat. If we do not do anything to rein-in our long-term debt, our economic future will be imperiled. Solving this problem will require some budget cuts. But I hope that going forward we can make these cuts in a smart way that addresses the various near-term and long-term challenges that our nation faces. In doing this, we will have to set priorities. Sometimes priority- setting means increasing investments in areas that deliver real returns for taxpayers by improving our quality of life, protecting our population from natural and man-made threats, and ensuring our economic competitiveness. Therefore, I am pleased that the Administration's FY14 budget request continues to emphasize science, innovation, and STEM education generally, and the National Science Foundation in particular. Even though NSF has fared well in recent appropriations bills, continued uncertainty over funding levels has hurt scientific progress. The agency and universities can't plan, some of the best and brightest give up and leave their labs, and the younger generation sees what their mentors are up against and choose a different path altogether. Our own Committee will have the opportunity to weigh in on budget and programmatic priorities across the agency as we consider an NSF reauthorization bill sometime in the next several weeks. So I appreciate this opportunity to learn more about the nature and scope of research and STEM education activities proposed in the budget. Let me just comment on a few of the priorities described in the budget. First, you will not be surprised that I am excited to see the proposed increase for the I-Corps program. As I've said many times now, I strongly believe that this program embodies the NSF's original mission of both promoting the progress of science and advancing the national prosperity. Although it's only a fraction of a percent of NSF's budget, early results support my long-held belief that I-Corps will yield exponential benefits, helping turn NSF's research investments into new companies and jobs for the benefit of all Americans. Last summer I hosted a field hearing in Chicago to learn more about this program and its early successes. For my new colleagues who haven't looked at this program in depth, it is important to note that this program educates scientists on how to develop viable commercial products from their research and connects them with like-minded venture capitalists and entrepreneurs. The final decisions on whether or not to commercialize research still rest with the scientists in question and, of course, with the private sector which would fund the ideas. Already we are seeing results with I-Corps graduates such as Neon receiving venture capital funding for a product developed through the program. This public-private partnership is in the best tradition of US science policy and I look forward to working with the NSF as this program develops. Second, I am pleased with the continued emphasis on advanced manufacturing at NSF and several other agencies. We must regrow our American manufacturing base, and we will not do it with the technologies and processes of yesterday. But the small and medium-sized industries that comprise a significant portion of our manufacturing capacity can't do it all on their own, and they certainly don't have the resources or capacity to invest in the most far-reaching R&D. NSF plays a critical role in funding basic research with potential application to the advanced manufacturing technologies and processes of the future. There are many other interesting proposals in this budget request, including the increased focus on big data, the expansion of the INSPIRE program to support interdisciplinary research, and NSF's plans to begin to implement the OSTP policy memorandum on public access to the results of federally funded research. It's also good to see that all of the current MREFC projects are on track and NSF is moving ahead with the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope. I will wrap up with a few comments and questions about the Agency's proposals for consolidating many of its STEM education programs, both within the Agency and as part of the Administration's federal-wide STEM reorganization. Mostly, I'd like to hear more details about all of these proposals, because some of them seem to be still just rough sketches. For example, with respect to the consolidated National Graduate Research Fellowship Program, I have no doubt that NSF's own graduate research fellowships will continue without disruption, but I wonder how NSF will work with the mission agencies to ensure that their mission-specific needs are being met through this new consolidated national program administered by NSF. I'd also like to understand better what's being proposed for graduate traineeships, and what's new about the consolidated undergraduate program, or if it's mostly a repackaging of existing programs. I suspect many of my colleagues will have STEM questions for you today. I thank Dr. Marrett and Dr. Arvizu for being here today; I look forward to your testimony and our discussion. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you, Mr. Lipinski. I now recognize the Chairman of the full Committee, Chairman Smith, for an opening statement. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I want to follow up on your good opening statement in regard to the National Science Foundation funding. We are now in a situation where we must maximize every dollar being spent by every Federal agency. Our focus should be on how the Federal Government, including the National Science Foundation, can maximize returns from taxpayer-funded research. How can the NSF better prioritize which areas of science and engineering it supports? The NSF has great potential to help American science flourish and thus contribute to our economy and the wellbeing of our country. But in my view the NSF has funded several studies that should not have been approved. However, I do not think that we should pick winners and losers by micromanaging grant decisions at the NSF. It is the responsibility of the professionals at the NSF to exercise their best judgment and ensure that only proposals that benefit the taxpayer get funded. It is Congress' job to ensure accountability and transparency for the American taxpayer. How do we avoid micromanaging but achieve accountability at the National Science Foundation? And how do we ensure an environment where the creativity and the determination of our very best scientists is encouraged? Mr. Chairman, let me stop there but say that I hope that our witnesses will be able to address some of these questions. They are not easy, and it requires, I think, a common understanding and appreciation for what the National Science Foundation does but also a recognition that we may be able to improve the process whereby the NSF grants are approved. I yield back. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Smith follows:] Prepared Statement of Chairman Lamar Smith Thank you , Mr. Chairman. And I want to follow up on your good opening statement in regard to the National Science Foundation (NSF) funding. We are now in a situation where we must maximize every dollar being spent by every federal agency. Our focus should be on how the federal government, including the National Science Foundation, can maximize the returns from taxpayer- funded research. How can the NSF better prioritize which areas of science and engineering it supports? The NSF has great potential to help American science flourish and thus contribute to our economy and the well-being of our country. But in my view, the NSF has funded several studies that should not have been approved. However, I do not think that we should pick winners and losers by micromanaging grant decisions at the NSF. It is the responsibility of the professionals at the NSF to exercise their best judgment and ensure that only proposals that benefit the taxpayer get funded. It is Congress' job to ensure accountability and transparency for the American taxpayer. How do we avoid micromanaging but achieve accountability at the National Science Foundation? And how do we ensure an environment where the creativity and the determination of our very best scientists is encouraged? Mr. Chairman let me stop there but say that I hope that our witnesses will be able to address some of these questions. They are not easy and it requires, I think, a common understanding and appreciation for what the National Science Foundation does. But also recognition that we may be able to improve the process whereby the NSF grants are approved. And I yield back. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this time I would like to introduce our witnesses. Our first witness is Dr. Cora Marrett, the Acting Director of the National Science Foundation. She has served in this role since March 2013, and was previously confirmed as NSF's Deputy Director in May 2011. Prior to that Dr. Marrett served as the NSF as the Assistant Director for Education and Human Resources and the Assistant Director for the Social Behavioral and Economic Sciences. She has also held positions at the University of Wisconsin and the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. Dr. Marrett has a Bachelor of Arts from Virginia Union University and a Master of Arts and a Doctorate from Wake Forest University. Welcome. Our next witness is Dr. Dan Arvizu, Chairman of the National Science Foundation Board. In 2004, Dr. Arvizu was appointed by President George W. Bush for a six-year term on the National Science Board and in 2010, was reappointed by President Barack Obama to a second six-year term. In 2012, Dr. Arvizu was elected as Chairman of the NSB. Dr. Arvizu is the Director and Chief Executive of the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory. Dr. Arvizu has a Bachelor of Science degree in mechanical engineering from New Mexico State University and a Master of Science degree and Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from Stanford University. As our witnesses should know, spoken testimony is limited to five minutes each, after which the Members of the Committee will have five minutes each to ask questions. I now recognize Dr. Marrett for five minutes to present her testimony. TESTIMONY OF THE HONORABLE CORA MARRETT, ACTING DIRECTOR, NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION Dr. Marrett. Thank you, Chairman Bucshon, Ranking Member Lipinski, and Members of the Subcommittee. It is indeed my privilege to be able to be here with you today to present the National Science Foundation's budget for the 2014 fiscal year. NSF is the only Federal agency dedicated to support basic research and education in all fields of science and engineering. That wide-angle vision has permitted unprecedented developments over the past 60 years and seems especially imperative for the complex problems and the question that the Nation currently faces. Our mission and our reach can be expressed quite simply. We empower the discoveries that keep our Nation at the forefront, the forefront of the world's innovation enterprise. So for more than six decades we have supported fundamental research and education that has pushed forward the frontiers of scientific knowledge. We allocate 94 percent of our budget directly in support of research, education, and scientific infrastructure. That means we work with a very lean six percent administrative overhead. We invest directly into the Nation's research and development enterprise by making approximately 10,000 merit-reviewed awards to researchers and educators in all disciplines. It is only with a strong commitment and partnership with Congress, and this Subcommittee specifically, that we have created and refined the world's gold standard for science funding. That standard having to be merit review. We greatly appreciate the longstanding support of the full Committee, the Subcommittee for the strong model that we have in place. The request before you is for $7.6 billion. This is an increase of $500 million over Fiscal Year 2012. We know this is an era of fiscal restraint that requires difficult trade-offs. The overall support for NSF reflects the Administration's clear determination to build on the Nation's history of success and leading-edge discovery and innovation. Most of our funding goes into core fundamental research, but we also make major targeted investments that enable cutting-edge research. As we look at the infrastructure that is necessary, these encompass telescopes, ships, other facilities and capabilities. Some of our best examples draw on NSF's legacy of funding visionary computer science, and this is a part of a comprehensive portfolio of advanced computational infrastructure, infrastructure programs, and other resources. In the last year we launched three new advanced facilities. Yellowstone at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Wyoming, Stampede at the Texas Advanced Computing Center, thank you very much, Mr. Smith, for being there, Blue Waters at the University of Illinois with Mr. Lipinski. The recently-launched Alaska Region Research Vessel, Sikuliaq, will soon embark on its first science mission. It will explore the Arctic to advance our understanding of the climate and oceanography. Our priority investment in secure and trustworthy cyberspace offers a different kind of example of NSF's contribution to the Nation. This program will help protect the Nation's critical information technology infrastructure, including the Internet, from a wide range of threats. We are educating the next generation cybersecurity workforce, helping to transition what has been learned in the laboratory into day- to-day practice. The budget request also continues NSF's long history of support for the next generation of leaders in other fields of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics or STEM education. This is a part of the Administration's multiagency effort to increase the impact of Federal investments in STEM achievement. NSF will support the efforts of almost 340,000 researchers, post-doctoral fellows, teachers, and students. More than ever the future prosperity and well-being of Americans depend on sustained investments in science and engineering. NSF promises to continue to be central to that effort. Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee, I hope this summary has given you an idea of how important the National Science Foundation is to our Nation's progress, and I look forward to the dialogue that will follow. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Dr. Marrett follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you for your testimony. I now recognize Dr. Arvizu for five minutes to present his testimony. THE HONORABLE DAN ARVIZU, CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL SCIENCE BOARD Dr. Arvizu. Thank you, Chairman Bucshon, Ranking Member Lipinski, and Members of the Subcommittee. I appreciate this opportunity to speak with you today in support of the National Science Foundation's Fiscal Year 2014 budget. I am Dan Arvizu, Chairman of the National Science Board and Director and Chief Executive of the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and with your concurrence I submit my written record, testimony to the record, please. Before I go on with my testimony I would like to comment on the recent leadership transition here at the NSF. Dr. Subra Suresh, who many of you know, an extraordinary leader, will be missed, but I wanted to also acknowledge that Dr. Cora Marrett has more than capably managed a very smooth transition and continues the strong working relationship both with the Board and the NSF Senior Management. And I have worked closely with Cora now for more than nine years, and I believe her experience and dedication to the Foundation will serve the Nation well. Mr. Chairman, on behalf of the 25-member National Science Board and the engineering and science and education communities that we represent, I would like to thank the Members of this Subcommittee for their longstanding support of the National Science Foundation. My colleagues on the Board and I do not take this continued support for granted, and our top priority is to provide the strong governance, proper stewardship of this most-important taxpayer investment. For over 60 years NSF has seeded our Nation's innovation ecosystem by funding the transformative research that underpins long-term scientific and technological progress. With the support of Congress NSF has always focused on funding the best science through a rigorous merit-review system and by encouraging scientists and engineers to submit their most innovative proposals. Although businesses fund over 60 percent of total R&D in the U.S., only five percent of that goes to basic research. Here the Federal Government plays a critical, complementary role accounting for more than half of all the basic research in this country. This is especially true for knowledge in technology-intensive or KTI industries that produce 1/4 of the U.S. GDP and employ about 20 million U.S. workers with very high-paying jobs. The NSF 2014 budget request reflects a strategic commitment to supporting the best basic research, economic growth, job creation through innovation, and globally-competitive science and engineering workforce. The Board believes that the priorities in this proposal reflect a clear commitment to investments that strengthen our Nation for the long term. I would particularly ask for your support for full funding for the NSF's Agency Operation and Award Management Account. I note that although the number of proposals received at NSF has increased over 60 percent in the past decade, the Foundation still replies to roughly 78 percent of those within the first 6 months of having received them, which exceeds the goals that we have set for ourselves. The proposed increase would help NSF process an increasing number of proposals in a way that protects taxpayer dollars while keeping our overhead rate at the very lean six percent that Dr. Marrett mentioned. I will refer you to more details in my written testimony for more of the other things that I would like to say, but I would like to take this opportunity to briefly comment on the Fiscal Year 2013 Continuing Resolution. In that bill the bill restricts the NSF on what it could fund in political science. Well, NSF and the National Science Board will fully will comply with the law, and I would like you to understand that that is important to all of us. I would like to also raise concerns about how these strictures could undermine the Merit Review Process and the progress of science. Although we recognize that it is Congress' responsibility to set funding priorities and we are clearly very attentive to that, the Board is unanimous and believes very strongly that legislatively-imposing restrictions on a class of research can run significant risks in not serving the national interest. The Foundation's Merit Review Policies which are emulated internationally hinge on being open to receive the best scientific ideas, having those ideas judged by independent experts, and accessed the soundness and the promise of what is proposed and make decisions based on potential scientific and societal value. To cut a whole class of science from consideration could have significant, unanticipated consequences. For example, when NSF funded Elinor Ostrom's work, which I know many of you are aware of, on common property, it was not expected that her findings would challenge conventional wisdom, and her research concluded that common resources is sometimes best managed by not regulating them. I think maybe that is something that we all appreciate. Nor was it anticipated that this political scientist would eventually win the Nobel Prize in economics. In closing, Mr. Chairman, I would like to, again, thank the Subcommittee for their leadership on science and engineering issues. We recognize the fiscal responsibilities confronting the Committee and Congress, and we pledge to work closely with the Director to set priorities. But even in the time of severe constraints, the Board believes that investments in science and technology capabilities, including our S&E workforce, are essential to our Nation's long-term prosperity and security. So thank you for the opportunity to testify, and I look forward to your questions. That concludes my report. [The prepared statement of Dr. Arvizu follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Bucshon. Thank you for your testimony. I thank the witnesses, both the witnesses for their testimony. Reminding Members that Committee rules limit questioning to 5 minutes. The Chair at this point will open the round of questions. I recognize myself for five minutes. Dr. Marrett, I fully support the hypothesis-based data- driven research to better understanding traumatic brain injury, Alzheimer's, epilepsy, autism, and a whole host of other brain- related ailments. It is very important research as a medical professional. However, I am concerned about the lack of focus and clarity in the present BRAIN Initiative, especially as it concerns the NSF. How will we ensure there will be a sufficient focus going forward and that we are not just fishing around for ideas? Dr. Marrett. Thank you for the question, and in fact, we are more than willing to get back with more details because this happens to fit quite well into what was already on the NSF agenda. We have been investing in neuro and cognitive science for some time, gave a presentation to the Science Board to indicate the directions that we have in mind, and thus, what we intend to do in connection with the BRAIN Initiative will follow through on what the program of research already has been at NSF. So for us it is a wonderful way for being able to articulate, and as you know quite well, the idea of being able to address questions about Alzheimer's, autism, those are far into the future. We do not have the models, the tools right now to get to that level. The amount of fundamental work that is required is something that we are investing in. It is not a matter then for us of a fishing expedition. But as I said, we are more than willing to provide you details on what the NSF portfolio will be with reference to the BRAIN Initiative. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you, and one of the researchers at Purdue University I just met with is doing research on football helmets, which has been on the front page recently as it relates to chronic traumatic brain injury funded by the NSF. The next question. In your budget you have 372 million being spent on clean energy research. This includes research related to smart grid, energy use, energy efficiency. How are you working with the DOE Office of Science to ensure that we don't duplicate research with our funding efforts? And are you encouraging collaboration between the appropriate offices at NSF and DOE to make sure that this doesn't happen? Dr. Marrett. We work very closely with DOE--with several offices from the Office of Science at DOE--and support of CERN in Switzerland with the Office of High Energy Physics. The connections are very deep that we have. We pay a lot of attention to the matters of ensuring that there isn't duplication. And in part, why that is not all that difficult is, let me again note, our investments at the very fundamental and basic levels will mean that we need the connections with other agencies, other places if many of the ideas and the results are going to move into the larger sector. So DOE is a strong partner in so many of the things that we do including the area of clean energy. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. Dr. Arvizu, can you talk to us a little bit about the role that private industry plays in terms of creating and retaining science and engineering jobs versus the types of positions funded with Federal dollars? How do we ensure the science and engineering workforce continues to grow, perhaps better focusing this responsibility on the private sector? Dr. Arvizu. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for that question. I think it is very clear that one of the long-term benefits that you get from funding basic research is the societal benefit that ultimately finds its way into service for the public good. There is a whole ecosystem of what it takes to get from basic research all the way out to commercial products and hopefully things that are making a difference in the way we produce things and consume things. There is a, in many respects, a series of barriers that sometimes mitigate the quick adoption of technology. So in the case of the work that NSF does with I-Corps, for instance, there we are trying to help researchers find those pathways which are typically more driven by the private sector. Through public private partnerships, many kinds of state incubators, university research programs, where there actually are mechanisms already in place that the private sector would fund access to venture capital, those kinds of things, that help that technology move more quickly. And the work, I think, within the government's role and specifically for the National Science Foundation, is to help facilitate that. I think we don't want to lose track of the idea that the mission objective of NSF is really to do fundamental work, to do basic discovery science. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Lipinski for five minutes for questions. Mr. Lipinski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to surprise everyone, first of all, by not asking a question on I- Corps right now. If you were here this morning, you know I talked about that, I talked about it in my opening statement, but let's go to talking about funding for social, behavioral and economic sciences, and of course, I have to disclose I do have a Ph.D. in political science and at one time had an NSF grant, a very, very small one, when I was in grad school. But as Dr. Arvizu had mentioned about the amendment in the House, well, the amendment, let's say we did have an amendment in the House defunding for political science research, which it didn't wind up going through but then the Senate version that limited the grants to those promoting national security, economic interests. We had the majority leader of the House talk about, you know, questioning the funding of social sciences, and Dr. Arvizu, you pointed out Elinor Ostrom, political scientist, who got NSF funding, received NSF funding, won the Nobel Prize. I could point out NSF-funded research by Al Roth and others who did research in the kidney exchange matching program that led to over 125 kidney transplants since 2007, research that, you know, directly saved lives, and he received the 2012 Nobel Prize in economics for his work. So there is a lot of social science work that we could talk about that does have an impact, a direct impact on people's lives. So I want to give Dr. Marrett the opportunity to talk about the value of social science research, why the NSF funds it, and the other thing, first I want you to start off by telling us what percentage of NSF funding goes into the SBE Directorate. So, Dr. Marrett. Dr. Marrett. All right. I will get you the exact percentage, but of the $7 billion budget for NSF, for the social, behavioral, economic, and sciences it is just over $272 million. So this is not the large fraction of the support in these fields. Now, when I think about the social, behavioral, economic, and sciences, let me start with our notion of what is important when we think of science. Science, we especially emphasize, has to do with using an approach that is systematic, orderly, it is theoretically driven, and it is the findings--there is replicability. So it is more in the approach that one takes than the phenomena that would be considered. That means that you can apply this approach to any number of areas, fields, questions, and that is the way in which we say then the social, behavioral, and economic sciences follow the same model that one sees for the physical sciences, for the life sciences, for engineering at the National Science Foundation. Now, what about the investments? It is possible to talk about the particular kinds of projects as we often do, but it is also very important of the link to this other concern we have, and that is attracting people's interest, attracting young people often--even though for the National Science Foundation and for decision makers, we often think about science and engineering being important for the innovation in the Nation. But I have said on more than one occasion, I can't think of very many 10-year-olds who will say I want to be a scientist or engineer so I can innovate for the Nation. No. It is more about the attractiveness of the kinds of things they have a chance to explore, and that exploration that can take place, we call it the chance for the authentic experiences, the authentic experiences can occur through any number of realms, and that is where we have discovered that the social behavioral sciences, along with, again, the life sciences, physical sciences, become important means through which any number of young people, older people as well, get to understand something about the way in which processes occur and can question, can understand the dynamics that can be at play. So that is probably a longer way around to what was a very interesting question about what we have in mind, and that is why we remain so committed to the notion of we want to see that the best work is done in all fields because of the consequences that can be there, yes, for the problems the Nation faces, but also for the curiosity that we often have as human beings about the worlds we inhabit, the worlds that we create. Mr. Lipinski. Well, very quickly, I am out of time, thank you, Dr. Marrett. I came from an engineering background, had a couple degrees in engineering before I went into political science, but I understand that there are issues. We were just talking about--had two bills on the Floor yesterday. One was the Cyber Security Enhancement Act that I did with Mr. McCaul, and one of the important things to look at is, yes, we think about this as a technological issue, but one of the biggest issues in this in cyber security is internet hygiene, computer hygiene. That is what people are doing, the mistakes people make. Humans are the weakest link in there, and that is getting into the social sciences and trying to figure out what--how we shore up security when it comes to human beings which could unravel the whole, whatever we do on the technological side. So with that, I will yield back. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Stockman for five minutes. Mr. Stockman. I think you are going to find generally on both sides of the aisle we support you, and I think what we are trying to get at is when we go back to our home districts, I know you had a disagreement with some of the CR, but we have to go back, and we have to present what you put forth to our constituents. Sometimes when these 10,000 grants, some of these anomalies come up, it is a difficult challenge to present and defend, especially in these tight budgets. My father, I took care of him for eight years with Alzheimer's Disease, and he died. So when the President announced his initiative, I was actually fairly excited until I heard on April 5 on NPR, and let me quote you here, Susan Fitzpatrick, who runs the leading foundation that finances brain research, it is called the James McDowell Foundation. Are you both aware of that? And she says, ``[t]o be quite honest, I am befuddled, I was befuddled, I don't understand what the President is talking about.'' This is the lead person, and so I guess what I am asking you is if this goes out, there are 20 million people listening to it, and I go and have a town hall meeting, and I am sympathetic to your views, and I have to defend what you are doing, and yet we have someone that is the lead scientist saying you are doing the wrong thing, I am stuck in the middle. I am your messenger. I guess what I want to know is--go ahead. I can tell you are wanting to go. Dr. Marrett. No. It is exactly why we want the kind of dialogue, because you are right, and if we have not been clear enough, you keep pushing us for that clarity. I heard that same NPR account and thought immediately I was going to turn to my colleague, Dan Arvizu, because the President of the McDonnell Foundation was a former colleague of his on the National Science Board. So I think in that case that was our failure probably to have included the colleague as the developments were unfolding. And knowing him I am sure that he would not take the position that this is completely unreasonable, but it is a matter of trying to bring a number of people to the table. Dan? Dr. Arvizu. Yeah, and I would just add to that, you know, one thing that I think in terms of how you respond or otherwise communicate to constituents who are anxious to understand who does, you know, how are the decisions being made and what process are you using, one thing I will say is that the process of going through merit-based peer review and trying to understand what things to fund and what--how to set priorities is actually evolving as things, as we learn more, as we gain more understanding, as we gain more insights. Everything is changing in a fairly rapid rate. I think there is no substitute for having the best minds come together and debate, discuss, otherwise disagree but ultimately come up with a process that serves the Nation and the country to move the societal benefits. So we are trying to do that, and we are trying to improve. Certainly room for improvement in all the processes we have, but it is as Dr. Marrett has said, the gold standard so far. Mr. Stockman. But in that NPR story they said it was more of a PR stunt. Would you--have you reached out to these folks and talked to them about--I mean, that is a pretty big disagreement with the President. Dr. Marrett. Yes. As a matter of fact, we are going to send you far more details. One of my colleagues sitting here with me, John Wingfield, who is the Assistant Director for the Biological Sciences, has the lead for the Foundation in articulating, presenting what we have in our program and would welcome every opportunity imaginable to be able to communicate that, to convey, because as we said, we know we receive funding from the public. We have to be able to explain, to listen, to be able to share with that public. So we do want to get to you more of those details. Mr. Stockman. Yeah. I would actually, if you could write up how, you know, how it is decided, the kind of formulation, and how you guys go through the process. That would be helpful to us, but--and I don't know if there are some studies we can point out there which back in my district I would have a hard time explaining, so I would appreciate the formula and the mathematics or however it is structured so that I can explain it to my own constituents. And with that I yield back the balance of my time, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. I now recognize Dr. Bera. Mr. Bera. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ranking Member. Thank you, Dr. Marrett and Dr. Arvizu. You know, as a biological sciences major, I spent a lot of time doing basic research, and as a physician I spent a lot of time in medical school doing research and as a faculty member and a former associate dean, have mentored many medical students that have gone through the research process. So I understand that, you know, part of research is you do experiments. You don't always know what the expected outcome is going to be, and it often is that the biggest breakthroughs are the unexpected discoveries. And those clearly have, you know, we can go back through our history and look at a lot of those unintended discoveries that have really propelled our economy forward and our science forward. I appreciate the fact that we have to be very conscious of how we are spending the taxpayer's resources. We have to be conscious of the debt and the deficit so we do have the resources to invest and make strategic investments, but it can't just be a discussion of cutting versus raising revenue. It also has to be a discussion of where can we get the best return on our investment, and throughout NSF, the Science Foundation's history, we see these discoveries, you know. I will quote a simple example. You know, in the 1990s the NSF led a multiagency project for digital library initiative. You know, there were two young Stanford University grad students that participated in this. One, Sergey Brin, was funded by an NSF fellowship. I don't have--history is going to tell you what that research led to. It is a company called Google that is now worth over $200 billion and employs over 30,000 individuals. It is transformed how we live. You know, there are countless examples of those unexpected discoveries that have spurned innovation and moved us forward. You know, we can look at advanced manufacturing. You know, it was NSF-funded research that produced one of the first 3D printers. You know, I had, recently had the ability to go visit my alma mater at the University of California Irvine and visit the engineering department, and it is amazing what they can do now, and the applications of the 3D printing and the advanced manufacturing is really going to propel us forward, both in my profession as a physician but across the board. Dr. Marrett or Dr. Arvizu, can you give us a few other examples of areas that NSF has focused tackling some of these challenges for, you know, on the issue of agribusiness, on the issue of, you know, honeybees and so forth? Dr. Marrett. The list could be so long I hardly know where to start. We actually produce publications around exactly that. There is a whole process we have used called traces in which you could trace back. Here is a given development and what led to that. So you have seen that a lot in what we have shown in the whole area of cognitive tutors. That started with just some very fundamental work out of cognitive science that continued to be refined, that led finally to this whole notion that it is really--there is the accompanied, there are the things that are done financially out of that about how you improve the whole tutoring process. We have cited time and again another that started with just some very basic research out of the conceptual notion of game theory that led to the use of the auctions, auctioning the radio spectrum, a process that has brought now billions of dollars to the U.S. Government. We have then any number of ways in which it is quite possible to have some outcomes you just never anticipated, and as all of the examples show, it usually takes time. So these aren't things that happen all of a sudden, that it is a matter usually of continued investment in areas, but there is no shortage of the kinds of examples, and my colleague is ready to offer some others. Dr. Arvizu. I will just give you the short version here. Lots of technology that relates to the internet, web browsers, Doppler radar, magnetic residence imaging, DNA, fingerprinting, barcodes to name a few. There is a host of others. Mr. Bera. Well, thank you. We, you know, in order for us to maintain this competitive advantage over the rest of the world, we are the most innovative country in the history of our planet. We have to continue making these investments to make sure we continue to lead the world in innovation, and with that I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. I recognize now the Chairman of the full Committee. Chairman Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Bucshon. Chairman Smith. Chairman Smith. I don't know if it is been covered or not, but I would like to go back to a subject that I raised in my opening statement, and ask both witnesses if I could for suggestions. Help us come up with a way where we can try to discourage the approval of National Science Foundation grants that don't benefit the American people or our economy or our science discoveries or any of those things that we would all agree upon. And I actually mentioned it this morning at a full Committee meeting with Dr. Holdren, but you have these examples, and I think I have got 50 of them, but the two or three that I recall right now is the grant that was approved to study National Geographic photos of animals from 1988 to 2008. I love National Geographic. I love seeing the photos of animals, but should that study be conducted at taxpayer expense? The other one was, I think, the labor force in China in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries. Is there something we can do to make sure and maybe it is the approval process, maybe it is expressing Congress' sentiments. What can we do to better the approval process so that the American people will agree that their taxpayer dollars are being spent in a worthwhile way? And that is part of it but--and it is not to deny that almost anything can be justified or have scientific value, but when only one out of every seven grants are being approved, there ought to be a higher standard than the standard that allows proposals like that to be approved. And that is not to say they shouldn't occur. Those studies might well should occur, but it should be on somebody else's dime, perhaps, rather than the taxpayers, and I welcome your comments, Dr. Marrett. Dr. Marrett. Yes. I think it is a fascinating question, and it is one that we certainly wrestle with. I would make a distinction, though, between the title of a project and what I think is your basic concern. You asked about the benefits, and as I was explaining earlier, the benefits are not always known when that project is, in fact, being developed. The title then can be very misleading. I like the example we often use of Google. The initial title for that activity was BackRub. If we had just been looking at titles I have a feeling that there would have been someone saying, what? The National Science Foundation is going to fund something called BackRub. Chairman Smith. And that is well and good, and I can appreciate that, but in these cases I have read the several- hundred-word summary of these projects, and that is almost intellectual dishonesty if you are going to study something that you don't describe in two or 300 words. I assume that they meant what they said, but I also don't think you are saying that there aren't proposals that are approved that shouldn't be approved, and I realize they are a very small percentage. And but that is just it. You don't want them to color the overall process, and if there is a rational, reasonable way to try to eliminate some of these proposals from being approved, I assume that you would support that, and if so, then, what would--how could the process be improved? Dr. Marrett. That is what I said. We can come back to you-- -- Chairman Smith. Okay. Dr. Marrett. --with suggestions and ideas because it is extremely complicated. In the list of projects that have sometimes been cited as having funny titles or a number of other things, you will see a number of them are dissertation topics. They were graduate students, and I can just envision that the reviewers were saying, let's not give up on them. Let's see what might be developed out of that. That is why I am saying it is a complicated process to determine, to ensure that we don't, in many ways, make it difficult for the best ideas to evolve. The other thing that we are more than willing to do is to have the conversations about how the process, as I have said earlier, how our whole process works, because it is a process in which we make special efforts to try to reach across the best of the experts to try to weigh in on what makes sense for all of what is being developed, but we welcome---- Chairman Smith. Good. I am glad you admit we can improve the process, and we will follow up on that. Dr. Arvizu. Dr. Arvizu. Yeah, and I will just quickly, just piggyback a little bit on what Dr. Marrett has said. You know, right now we have two criteria; intellectual merit, broadening participation, and the Board conducted a review on those criteria just as recently as last year to think through what are all of the implications of that on the community broadly. How do we justify that the taxpayer, that the U.S. public is getting the best science, the best proposals, transformative research, to ensure that there are not built-in biases that we don't understand. And so we are very anxious to continue to improve that process, and to the degree there are things that can be done that will help remove perhaps those that fall into that category called questionable, certainly are very open and willing to---- Chairman Smith. Mr. Chairman, if you will give me another couple of seconds here. I am a little bit over. Would you all agree to add to the guidelines something along the lines of that any proposal approved would have to directly benefit the American people? Dr. Arvizu. So that--that sounds like a great statement. I am---- Chairman Smith. I am thinking about those I have seen that had to do with people in China. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I would like---- Dr. Arvizu. Yeah. Chairman Smith. --to direct that---- Dr. Arvizu. That has more direct benefit. I think the issue and the question really is how do you start down a path of limiting or otherwise rephrasing that criteria so that it catches the things that you want and perhaps eliminates the things that you don't. In that case I think it begins to sound or to us feel like it is compromising the integrity of the basic process. Chairman Smith. To say that--let me get this right. To say that National Science Foundation proposals paid for by the American taxpayer, it compromises to say that it should benefit Americans? Dr. Arvizu. I wouldn't--certainly not put it that way. I would say that if we have criteria that unduly limits the opportunity for societal benefit to actually be gained by---- Chairman Smith. But shouldn't they be able to state what those societal benefits are? Dr. Arvizu. We should be able to do that, and we believe that the criteria that we have today actually get at that in as robust a way as we know how. Certainly open to---- Chairman Smith. And how do you explain all those proposals? Dr. Arvizu. We are certainly not perfect in a lot of respects, but I am not in a position where I can talk about the specifics. Dr. Marrett. I was going to ask would you mind---- Chairman Smith. Who am I holding up here, Mr. Chairman? Who has questions left besides me? Chairman Bucshon. Ms. Lummis. Chairman Smith. Okay. I better---- Ms. Lummis. And let me yield one of my minutes to you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Smith. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. I hopefully won't use that. Dr. Marrett, did you want to reply? Dr. Marrett. I was simply going to ask would you mind if we--you were asking the Science Board to take a look at exactly that kind of a question. What would it mean to say that the research, that the specific benefits because we already--our funding is to the U.S. group of scientists and engineers. Chairman Smith. Yeah. Dr. Marrett. So we don't fund the international, and it is always the assumption that the benefits accrue to the U.S. population, but how one would try to formulate that more sharply I think my colleague from the Board is more than willing to say---- Chairman Smith. So you are open to new---- Dr. Marrett. --the Board can take that up. Chairman Smith. --guidelines. You are open to new guidelines? Dr. Arvizu. We are open certainly to continue to evaluate if those guidelines serve the national interest, and I would certainly be open to---- Chairman Smith. The guidelines don't even say national interest, do they? Dr. Arvizu. Yes. I think the Organic Act that formulated the Foundation says in something about the national interest, I believe, and prosperity. Chairman Smith. Well, I haven't seen in all the write-ups I have read of these suspect proposals, I have never seen any reference to the national interest. Dr. Arvizu. Yeah. The guidelines that we use, I think that the Foundation uses, the two that I mentioned earlier, intellectual merit and broadening participation---- Chairman Smith. It might be good if those who write the proposals mention that. I would recommend that anyway. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for your time, Ms. Lummis, as well. Chairman Bucshon. I now yield to Ms. Lummis for her questions. Ms. Lummis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First, Dr. Marrett, just to give you a head's up, my first question is about Clean Energy Initiative, second is about supercomputing, and the third is for Dr. Arvizu about recommendations on regulations that increase administrative costs at research institutes, research universities. Okay. So, Dr. Marrett first. Does any of the $372 million requested for Clean Energy Initiatives go to the U.S. Global Change Research Program? Do you know? And if so, how much? Dr. Marrett. I can't give you the exact figures, but as you can tell from the budget the U.S. Global Change Research Program is what we call a crosscut in that it is organized through the National Science and Technology Council out of the Office of Science and Technology Policy. So, that means that things are reported in a particular way for that program. For the Clean Energy Initiative, that is a slightly different formulation that asks agencies what they are actually undertaking with reference to the clean energy. You wanted to know the amount that we funding in the Global Change Research Program. The request for '14 is $326 million, and that program is to be a comprehensive research program, but I think your other question is a link between that and the Clean Energy, and if my colleagues here don't have the answer for me right now, they will have it in a short time. Ms. Lummis. And I appreciate that. I know that is a very specific question, so if you could follow up with my office on the answer to that question, you know you are your convenience. At your earliest convenience. That would be great, Dr. Marrett. Now, turning to supercomputing, what portion of your budget deals with supercomputing or maybe I should put it this way. What is the budget for supercomputing? Dr. Marrett. Probably the easiest way to describe that is the budget for what is now the Division for Advanced Cyber Infrastructure. Now, that includes--but I would have to modify that a bit because that is not just about supercomputing, that especially moving in recent years to try to ensure that the information infrastructure is going to be what is available and useful for all scientists and engineers. Supercomputing had-- some of what was developing was for the very high-end user, and we had other than high-end users, but, again, the exact budget they will give me momentarily. Ms. Lummis. And I appreciate that because I know I am asking really specific questions. Dr. Arvizu, question for you. I note that there was about a year ago a report called Research Universities and the Future of America, and it had in it ten recommendations, one of which, recommendation seven, reads as follows: ``[r]educe or eliminate regulations that increase administrative costs, impede research productivity, and deflect creative energy without substantially improving the research environment.'' Can you describe the taskforce work, the taskforce on administrative burdens, and what it is found with respect to unnecessary burdens on research universities? Dr. Arvizu. Thank you, Congresswoman Lummis, for that question. That is a topic of great interest to us at the Board, and so we have put together a task force that will focus specifically on trying to understand that which you refer to is our Administrative Burden Task Force. The findings to date are still very, very preliminary. In other words, we have just started the investigations, we have held already some workshops. We will hold more. There are a number of Board members who are very active in the community and are very anxious and interested to get at that, but we will give you a full report on the findings of that taskforce as soon as they come available. Right now it is still in the early stages. Ms. Lummis. Great, and Mr. Chairman, for all three of these questions, which I know were specific, I would be really grateful if you would sort of flag that Congressman Lummis is interested in this, and it would be just really terrific if you would follow up with me certainly when your findings become more solidified rather than preliminary and--because I have a tendency to jump the gun a little bit, and I want to make sure you have time to be really confident in your recommendations. And, you know, Dr. Marrett, same thing. If you need a little extra time to get back to my office with these or your staff could, that would be just super. Dr. Marrett. I will tell you right now for the Advanced Cyberinfrastructure Division that I was describing, the budget is $221 million, and I only wanted to give that to you now because I failed earlier to thank you for being present at the Wyoming supercomputer opening. Thank you. Ms. Lummis. Well, we are very excited about it as you can well imagine. I just can't even contemplate the number of computations that those computers are capable of making every nanosecond, and the fact that atmospheric research is so important, we are truly excited and committed as a university conglomerate, all of the universities involved in academic research just think that this is an absolutely terrific thing. And we really want to thank the NSF for recognizing the importance of supercomputing and scientific research, particularly atmospheric research. And when I was my state treasurer, I was on the very, very, frontend of helping fund that center and have toured the Boulder Mother Ship for NCAR, and it is really, really a wonder, an American accomplishment. So kudos to you all. Thank you. I yield back. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. We are going to go into a second line of questioning, and you are in luck because there is only a few of us left. And I yield five minutes to myself. Dr. Marrett, we had a hearing, as you probably know, on open access issues to publically-funded scientific research data, and I see in your NSF budget you have 2.5 million dedicated towards ensuring public access. That is actually a small amount, but there are some significant policy implications with that, I think. What specifically do you hope to accomplish with this funding, and is $2.5 million enough to accomplish your goals, and then I will have a follow up. Dr. Marrett. Well, thank you. Obviously, $2.5 million is not enough to ensure public access to the publications that NSF supports and to the data. That is really there for the planning that we must undertake because that is--we have the question of what can we, in fact, achieve, and we are starting on the publication side. But another reason why there isn't a fully- flushed out proposal yet or plan yet is that all agencies have been asked by the Office of Science and Technology Policy to develop a plan. So it would be premature to come in at this point with the full details when we are working on the plan for what we will have to submit. We will be developing more, and again, we will be open to giving you the information as it evolves. Chairman Bucshon. So the funding is specifically just in the--for the planning stages of---- Dr. Marrett. That is right. Chairman Bucshon. --that. That is great, because I think, you know, as a result of our hearing we found out that--I think it is important if the taxpayers are funding research projects, I think for the taxpayers and the American people to have access to not only the results but now because everything is on computers, the actual data that generated the results so that we can have the ability to duplicate scientific studies and get similar results, which has been a controversial thing for a long time. And part of that has been, I think, is because people haven't had the access to the full data set that has been used by the researcher in the first place. And so the follow up was probably inaccurate, and we saw that--we see that a lot in my medical profession of cardiac surgery where there have been multiple studies on all kinds of things that seem to contradict each other, but when actually you get into the weeds, they really are very similar or there was a missing piece of information that the follow-up researcher did not have access to. So thank you for that answer, and I don't have any other questions. I will now yield to Mr. Lipinski. Mr. Lipinski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to go back to Chairman, what Chairman Smith was discussing. I just wanted to--maybe it is because I was the author of the NSF Reauthorization Bill last time, but I just wanted to bring up something that we put in there, it is Section 526 of the final bill, the America COMPETES Reauthorization, the Broader Impacts Review Criterion. And let me just read this here so everyone is aware of this, and we have this on the record. If you look there, under goals, ``The Foundation shall apply a broader impacts review criterion to achieve the following goals.'' So these are for anyone who is submitting a proposal is supposed to discuss how it meets one or more of these criterion. ``One, increase economic competitiveness of the United States, two, development of globally-competitive STEM workforce, three, increase participation of women and under- represented minorities in STEM, four, increased partnerships between academia and industry, five, improved pre-K through 12 STEM education and teacher development, six, improved undergraduate STEM education, seven, increased public scientific literacy, and eight, increased national security.`` So we have bookend there, increased economic competitiveness and the increased national security there is number eight. But so right now those are to be considered when any proposal is being reviewed by the NSF. So I just wanted to--I don't think I really had a question. I wanted to make sure that I brought that out there that this is already--we codified it for the first time in the Reauthorization, which was in the COMPETES Reauthorization back in 2010. So I just wanted to have that out there for the record. I don't know. There is no need for a comment, but if Dr. Marrett or Dr. Arvizu had anything to add to that, you are welcome to add it. If not, I can just move on. Dr. Marrett. I suppose my only comment is since Dr. Arvizu had said the Board would be willing to think about the benefits to the Nation, what the criteria are already, perhaps they don't say a benefit to the U.S., but that is really what they are directed towards. So that is the way I interpret your comments. Mr. Lipinski. That is certainly what we intended and put those specific categories out there. Dr. Arvizu. Yeah, and I just want to clarify, and thank you for reading the sub-bullets on each of those two criteria. I think those both found at least in the reviews that we have had to date, been sufficiently robust that we couldn't figure out how to improve on them. Certainly willing to listen to suggestions about how to improve them, but the last review went through this process and looked at it and said that really achieves the results that we were trying to accomplish. Still, I am open to the idea that there would be opportunities to improve on that, but, again, it is a subject of debate and discussion. The Board is made up of 25 members. Each of them have a different perspective on how to approach scientific and intellectual merit, and I think to a large degree the value that the Board brings is the diversity of opinion, and when they come together and they codify this, and that kind of is the latest position that we take. Certainly continuous improvement requires that we go back and revisit those on occasion. Mr. Lipinski. And I certainly won't claim that I am perfect and we were perfect in putting this together in 2010, but certainly I think we certainly gave a lot of consideration to this, and if there are suggestions on how this can be improved, I think we should all be open to that. I think with that I will yield back. Chairman Bucshon. Thank you. I would like to say in closing that--thank you for your testimony. It is valuable testimony to the Committee. Also thank the other representatives from the National Science Foundation who are here today, and there is a whole row there and that as the Chairman of the Subcommittee I fully support, obviously, scientific research, and I think that we want to make sure that as the Federal Government we are not short-sighted in our role as it comes--as it relates to funding basic science research. We have had a couple of hearings where people from the private sector that spend quite a bit of money on research did tell us how important the NSF still is and will continue to be when it comes to funding basic science research for the future of our country, and thank you, again, for coming. I thank the Members of the Committee. The Members of the Committee may have additional questions for you, and they will ask you to respond to those in writing. The record will remain open for two weeks for additional comments and written questions from the Members. The witnesses are excused, and the hearing is adjourned. Thank you. [Whereupon, at 3:36 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]